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Title: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on February 04, 2010, 10:38:53 AM
Feel free to post any articles pertaining to License Plates here.

See you later G8TR?
Price hike hurts sales of specialty plates, including UF's (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100130/ARTICLES/1301004/1002)

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Starting Sept 1., the fees for purchasing a plate for the first time rose about $125. Costs for renewals increased by as much as $25 depending on the vehicle's weight.

Plate proponents suggest the increase caused drivers to decide the extra charges for specialty plates, ranging from $15 to $25 annually, were too much to bear.

The lack of plate sales may effect the availability of some specialty tags over he coming years...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on February 04, 2010, 10:46:36 AM
Front License Plates On Chopping Block (IL) (http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=9366&type=top)

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If you watch traffic closely, every now and again you'll notice a vehicle without a front license plate. However, those bare front bumpers may become more common.

"We can save some money by going to one license plate if we leave everything the same," says Representative Jerry Mitchell from Sterling, Il.

Mitchell says leaders need to cut unnecessary costs during the state's budget crisis. And he says eliminating front license plates could save up to a million dollars a year.



Ky. House OKs national motto license plate (http://Ky. House OKs national motto license plate)

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Lawmakers in Kentucky's House of Representatives approved a bill that would allow the nation's motto, "In God we Trust," be on standard license plates.

If the bill is approved by the state Senate and signed by the governor, vehicle owners in the Bluegrass State could choose from "In God we Trust" or "Unbridled Spirit" on standard-issue license plates, The (Louisville) Courier-Journal reported Tuesday.

No extra fee would be imposed for requesting the nation's motto, the Courier-Journal said.



Bill would put 'Home of Our National Anthem' on plates (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/legislature/bal-md.briefs251jan25,0,4676351.story)

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Maryland license plates would lay claim to the state as "Home of Our National Anthem," if one state lawmaker has his way. State Sen. Larry Haines, a Republican who represents Carroll and Baltimore counties, introduced a bill that would put the slogan on all plates starting Oct. 1. Maryland last displayed a slogan on its standard-issue license plate in the mid-1980s, celebrating the 350th anniversary of the state's founding as a colony.



South Carolina unveils new license plate (http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11931354)

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The state of South Carolina is unveiling a new license plate.

Reduce, Reuse, Recycle is the theme for these new specialty plates. The State's recycling industry group introduced the plates to promote the "Go Green" message.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: papaT10932 on February 04, 2010, 11:56:41 AM
Does Maryland's new slogan mean one less license plate with a website on it??? Gosh, I hope so!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on February 04, 2010, 12:01:10 PM
Front License Plates On Chopping Block (IL) (http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=9366&type=top)

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If you watch traffic closely, every now and again you'll notice a vehicle without a front license plate. However, those bare front bumpers may become more common.

"We can save some money by going to one license plate if we leave everything the same," says Representative Jerry Mitchell from Sterling, Il.

Mitchell says leaders need to cut unnecessary costs during the state's budget crisis. And he says eliminating front license plates could save up to a million dollars a year.

I hope this goes through in spite of the balking by the Secretary of State's office.  If Indiana and Michigan can handle one plate, so too can Illinois.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on February 04, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
Wonder why NJ still uses two plates given our status as one of the bottom 3 in terms of highway debt.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: papaT10932 on February 04, 2010, 08:22:40 PM
Wonder why NJ still uses two plates given our status as one of the bottom 3 in terms of highway debt.

I remember a few years ago it was proposed that NJ transfer to one plate. I think law enforcement was the reason used to stick with two plates. That's fine by me. Two plates look "solid". One plated cars always look like something's missing...

I think the real question is, why hasn't NJ changed the designs of their plates in almost 20 years?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: hm insulators on February 09, 2010, 10:46:08 AM
Front License Plates On Chopping Block (IL) (http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=9366&type=top)

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If you watch traffic closely, every now and again you'll notice a vehicle without a front license plate. However, those bare front bumpers may become more common.

"We can save some money by going to one license plate if we leave everything the same," says Representative Jerry Mitchell from Sterling, Il.

Mitchell says leaders need to cut unnecessary costs during the state's budget crisis. And he says eliminating front license plates could save up to a million dollars a year.

I hope this goes through in spite of the balking by the Secretary of State's office.  If Indiana and Michigan can handle one plate, so too can Illinois.

Arizona only has one plate, unless you get a personalized license plate, then you have both front and rear plates. Anybody else have this odd arrangement?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on February 09, 2010, 10:49:56 AM
I remember a few years ago it was proposed that NJ transfer to one plate. I think law enforcement was the reason used to stick with two plates. That's fine by me. Two plates look "solid". One plated cars always look like something's missing...

I think the real question is, why hasn't NJ changed the designs of their plates in almost 20 years?

Law enforcement thinks they need a lot of things, but believe me, it's a BS argument.  Other states get by with one plate and their LEOs have no trouble with that.  One plate, IMHO, is enough for the vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on February 09, 2010, 11:23:41 AM
Front License Plates On Chopping Block (IL) (http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=9366&type=top)

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If you watch traffic closely, every now and again you'll notice a vehicle without a front license plate. However, those bare front bumpers may become more common.

"We can save some money by going to one license plate if we leave everything the same," says Representative Jerry Mitchell from Sterling, Il.

Mitchell says leaders need to cut unnecessary costs during the state's budget crisis. And he says eliminating front license plates could save up to a million dollars a year.

I hope this goes through in spite of the balking by the Secretary of State's office.  If Indiana and Michigan can handle one plate, so too can Illinois.

Arizona only has one plate, unless you get a personalized license plate, then you have both front and rear plates. Anybody else have this odd arrangement?

SC issues a different plate base, but still only one tag in total, for those with a vanity tag. That is about the only thing I can think of in similar vein.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on February 09, 2010, 07:22:07 PM
Arizona only has one plate, unless you get a personalized license plate, then you have both front and rear plates. Anybody else have this odd arrangement?

Arizona also issues pairs for optional graphic types.  I believe this set up is unique to Arizona.  However, it is not required to display the pair.  I personally like that method and I wish New Jersey would do something similar.  I see nothing wrong with a single plate.  Currently it works for 19 states.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on February 09, 2010, 07:45:46 PM
Nevada issues two plates. Two plates are required, unless the vehicle does is not manufactured with a mounting location (or add-on mounting bracket) for the front plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2010, 01:29:20 AM
Front license plate bill dies in committee (http://www.herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/article_9ac37203-79ee-5e58-be55-417cf0cd8bfa.html)

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A proposed law that would have removed the front license plates on Illinois cars and trucks failed an early test Tuesday.

A House committee voted 4-2 against the measure, which would require drivers have just one plate in the rear of their vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2010, 02:33:17 PM
New Mexico centennial plate coming in 2010 (http://www.licenseplates.cc/story.php?id=405)

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Gov. Richardson has introduced this new license plate to commemorate the centennial year of New Mexico statehood (2012).

The new plate features a classic look in turquoise, yellow and red.

The Centennial license plates will go on sale in January 2010, at which time the "Balloon" plate, a popular option since 1999, will be phased out.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 05, 2010, 08:09:34 PM
just saw one today... in Colorado, oddly enough.  I like the way it looks.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: sandiaman on March 11, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
New  Mexico  has  already  introduced its Centennial  plate .  It is turquoise  (the  state  gem)  with yellow letters and white  lettering for the state name.  Interesting item:  by law NM has to use its state  colors   yellow and red , so the Zia symbol  is in red  to comply  with the law.  It is called the retro  plate
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: algorerhythms on March 13, 2010, 11:01:43 PM
Front license plate bill dies in committee (http://www.herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/article_9ac37203-79ee-5e58-be55-417cf0cd8bfa.html)

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A proposed law that would have removed the front license plates on Illinois cars and trucks failed an early test Tuesday.

A House committee voted 4-2 against the measure, which would require drivers have just one plate in the rear of their vehicle.
Maryland is currently considering a similar bill. (http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=102089)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on March 14, 2010, 08:10:24 AM
Two plates as a law enforcement thing would only be an argument if two things were true.

- Every jurisdiction had two plates.

- Motor patrols spent much of their time enfocing actual legitimate laws in which identifying cars from the front was a part.

Neither is.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 14, 2010, 09:55:15 AM
The lack of plate sales may effect the availability of some specialty tags over he coming years...

Could the selection from a choice of eleventy billion specialty plates be a reason why?

As for front plates, those 19 states (and any Canadian providence with a similar setup) are an exception rather then the norm. No where else in the world (that I know of) allows for one plate on a car, and no where else really has custom bases or order on demand vanity plates either.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: HalifaxTravaler on March 14, 2010, 10:23:57 AM
Nova Scotia has made the switch to 1 plate, years ago. As for fees, it costs me $199 every 2 years to renew my plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: J N Winkler on March 14, 2010, 01:17:58 PM
Arizona only has one plate, unless you get a personalized license plate, then you have both front and rear plates. Anybody else have this odd arrangement?

Arizona also issues pairs for optional graphic types.  I believe this set up is unique to Arizona.  However, it is not required to display the pair.

The same is true in Kansas, at least for the standard vanity tag (the "buffalo plate").  I don't know if it is also true for special-issue plates for veterans, university supporters, etc.

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I see nothing wrong with a single plate.  Currently it works for 19 states.

I have taken my Kansas car out of state and had ignorant fools look at me like I am blatantly breaking the law because they think front plates are required everywhere.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
DMV wants a hold on new specialty license plates (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100520/NEWS/100520029/1006/DMV-wants-a-hold-on-new-specialty-license-plates)

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DOVER -- Legislation to bar the creation of new specialty license plates in Delaware for the next three years will be introduced in the House soon, two legislators say.

Reps. Richard Cathcart, R-Middletown, and David Wilson, R-Bridgeville, say their bill is in reaction to a letter from Division of Motor Vehicles Director Jennifer Cohan asking that the General Assembly “consider limiting/capping the number of specialty plate legislative initiatives.”

In the letter, Cohan acknowledged many worthwhile organizations seek specialty license plates, but said that adding to the more than 100 specialty plates currently managed by DMV would place an increasing burden on her agency.

Cathcart said the bill would impose a three-year moratorium on the creation of new license plates, starting Jan. 1.

“This bill will give the agency a little breathing room and an opportunity to improve the system,” he said.

The bill would not affect pending legislation to create specialty tags for veterans of Operation Enduring Freedom, Safe Haven No Kill Animal Sanctuary and the Delaware Breast Cancer Coalition.

The administrations of former Govs. Tom Carper and Ruth Ann Minner both had temporary, informal moratoriums on the introduction of new tags.

The bill is expected to be introduced shortly after legislators return from their two-week recess June 1.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mhallack on May 21, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
The only time you can have one plate on your car in Maine is the 14 day paper plate when you buy a new car. Otherwise you have to have two (both plates with reg stickers. I know CA didn't need reg stickers on the front plate) And they will yank you over quick if you don't have a front plate.

Maine also have 25 varieties of plates for cars (20 or so for regular non-govt cars) which I think is a waste.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on May 21, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
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I see nothing wrong with a single plate.  Currently it works for 19 states.

I have taken my Kansas car out of state and had ignorant fools look at me like I am blatantly breaking the law because they think front plates are required everywhere.

My parents were questioned by a customs official coming back from Sault Ste. Marie, ON about the lack of a front plate. He actually had to get out of his booth to record our plate. The odd thing is that I've never known Michigan to have front plates, and this was in Sault Ste. Marie, MI when it happened!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on May 26, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
N.J. agency recalls objectionable license plate (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100525/NEWS/100525046/-1/updates/N.J.-agency-recalls-objectionable-license-plate)

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Kim Romano looks forward to replacing the license plates on her car with one that offers a response to the turmoil her original tags have generated in recent weeks.

The laid-back new plate -- "WHAEVER" -- is what Romano, 49, said has been going through her head lately about an incident that has caught the attention of newspapers, radio stations and television broadcasts.

A media blitz began when Romano's license plate number, BIOCH, was recalled by the state Motor Vehicle Commission after someone complained that the language on it was profane. "Bioch" was Romano's spelling of a slang word for another word considered by some to be a curse, but which also is the correct term for a female dog.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 26, 2010, 12:35:56 PM
Supposedly a valid Florida tag "YMFCS" is out there.  I will let our members do the interpretation.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on May 26, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Your Mother-F'ing Car Sucks?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 26, 2010, 08:39:50 PM
someone complained that the language on it was profane.

people need to learn to mind their own business.  If it offends you, don't look at it. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 26, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
Your Mother-F'ing Car Sucks?
Close.  Orally enjoying the male anatomy is supposedly the aim of the last two words.

Anyway... since I have vanity plates for my two sports cars, I always find it amazing that people would pay extra for these crypto-slogans on their plates, but in south Florida ANYTHING is possible.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 26, 2010, 10:07:49 PM
Close.  Orally enjoying the male anatomy is supposedly the aim of the last two words.


your mother-f'ing [male anatomy oral enjoyer]?

is that an advertisement? a threat? just covering all the bases?

do what you will to me, but leave my mother out of this!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on May 27, 2010, 06:37:02 AM
Supposedly the Secretary of State's Office here in Michigan had previously cancelled vanity plates that included "TOPLESS" (on a convertible) and "HOOKER" (the owner's last name). I guess the plate number "ORON" got out on a UofM vanity plate, which replaces the first character with UofM's block letter "M". Likewise for "TUPID" on a Michigan State plate, which uses the Spartan "S" in the space for the first character. I was surprised to see an MSU plate with "EK7OY", which read like "sex toy" to me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 27, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
"4PLAY" "FOURPLAY" and "FORPLAY" have also been banned in New York.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on May 27, 2010, 08:20:32 AM
Don't forget the infamous Florida "A55 RGY".
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: burgess87 on May 27, 2010, 01:26:17 PM
Don't forget the infamous Florida "A55 RGY".

I did that on one of my cars in Midnight Club LA for kicks & giggles . . . . thought it came out OK.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on June 13, 2010, 11:38:23 AM
New standard license plate marks War of 1812 (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-06-11/news/bs-md-1812-war-plate-20100611_1_glen-burnie-headquarters-license-plate-motor-vehicle-administration)

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A few hours after the dawn's early light Monday, the state Motor Vehicle Administration will begin issuing a new Maryland license plate — replacing the generic black-and-white version with a design commemorating the War of 1812 and the defense of Fort McHenry.

The plate, which will become the standard issue for newly registered cars, will be introduced today at the MVA's 100th anniversary celebration at its Glen Burnie headquarters.

It depicts the Fort McHenry ramparts and bombs bursting in air during the 1814 struggle that inspired Marylander Francis Scott Key to pen an ode — later set to music — he called the "Star-Spangled Banner." The new design will remain the standard-issue plate until June 2015.

Vehicle owners who now have standard-design tags will be able to keep them. Those who want to switch to the new tags when renewing registrations can do so for a $20 fee.

Starting Monday, newly purchased vehicles will be issued the War of 1812 plates without a fee, said MVA spokesman Buel Young. The design will be used for trucks, motorcycles and multipurpose vehicles as well as passenger cars.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mefailenglish on June 30, 2010, 08:12:58 AM
I finally saw one of these in the wild yesterday.  Only took a couple of weeks.

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A few hours after the dawn's early light Monday, the state Motor Vehicle Administration will begin issuing a new Maryland license plate — replacing the generic black-and-white version with a design commemorating the War of 1812 and the defense of Fort McHenry.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: deathtopumpkins on June 30, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
I saw one too on US 13 Monday. I thought it was a really nice design. Couldn't see the whole thing though because of one of those stupid plastic frames.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 30, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
I saw one too on US 13 Monday. I thought it was a really nice design. Couldn't see the whole thing though because of one of those stupid plastic frames.

Why do people keep those stupid dealer frames on the car?  OK, so we know you bought it from Joe Blow's Rip Off Honda in Boofoo, MT.  Why should we care?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on June 30, 2010, 11:26:29 AM
I saw one too on US 13 Monday. I thought it was a really nice design. Couldn't see the whole thing though because of one of those stupid plastic frames.

Why do people keep those stupid dealer frames on the car?  OK, so we know you bought it from Joe Blow's Rip Off Honda in Boofoo, MT.  Why should we care?

Well, in Indiana at least those frames are enough to cover up the county name sticker at the top of the plate or the county number at the bottom, meaning that others won't be able to determine where in the state you are from. Of course the police have begun to crack down on these frames but they are still around many plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: florida on June 30, 2010, 12:07:43 PM
Supposedly a valid Florida tag "YMFCS" is out there.  I will let our members do the interpretation.

It's not a disability tag where the S is a 5? Maybe...just maybe....? ;)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 30, 2010, 12:13:53 PM

It's not a disability tag where the S is a 5? Maybe...just maybe....? ;)

"5, 5, me love you long time?"
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on July 11, 2010, 10:47:44 PM
I saw one too on US 13 Monday. I thought it was a really nice design. Couldn't see the whole thing though because of one of those stupid plastic frames.

Why do people keep those stupid dealer frames on the car?  OK, so we know you bought it from Joe Blow's Rip Off Honda in Boofoo, MT.  Why should we care?

Pure laziness.



The first new MD tag I saw in Baltimore was covered by a car dealer tag, but it did not take long to see another and another. I also saw several of the new yellow/blue NY tags as well *bleh*
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on July 11, 2010, 10:57:33 PM
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Why do people keep those stupid dealer frames on the car?  OK, so we know you bought it from Joe Blow's Rip Off Honda in Boofoo, MT.  Why should we care?

Some people think they're required for structural integrity- I went to the DMV a few years ago with a a very good (and very intelligent) friend of mine who got a new car. The conversation went as follows when we were putting his license plates on:

Me: Just out of curiosity, why are you putting the dealer brackets on your new plate?
Him: Can you get the license plate on the car without the brackets?
Me: Yes.
Him: Are you sure? Will it scratch the paint? [This was an 02 Civic, so the plate was mounted right on the painted part of the trunklid)
Me: Yes. Those brackets are strictly for advertising purposes to let everyone know where you bought your car.
Him: Oh, OK, I won't do that then.

Evidently his parents were always under that impression too (and these are reasonably smart people), so I'd imagine that's the case with a lot of folks.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 12, 2010, 01:31:51 AM
I saw one too on US 13 Monday. I thought it was a really nice design. Couldn't see the whole thing though because of one of those stupid plastic frames.

Why do people keep those stupid dealer frames on the car?  OK, so we know you bought it from Joe Blow's Rip Off Honda in Boofoo, MT.  Why should we care?

It just depends on where you are. Every other car you see in Louisiana will have one whereas you will rarely see any in Mississippi. In Texas it will be 50/50. I think it is a pride thing since most dealer plates have the city or region on it in big bold letters. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? Here people who don't have dealer frames will got to Wal-Mart, etc. and by a generic frame. They're so common that cars don't even look right without them to me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on July 12, 2010, 10:25:23 AM
There is also another reason why you see so many car dealer plate toppers. If the dealer offers to put the tag on for you, they will do so and automatically put the dealer plate topper on as well. Most will just leave it that way out of convenience.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2010, 05:42:01 PM
In Michigan, some years ago, someone pulled a fast one for a personalized plate by having a suggestive message put on the plate backwards: 3M TA3 :-/. :coffee:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on September 19, 2010, 08:19:01 PM
Supposedly a valid Florida tag "YMFCS" is out there.  I will let our members do the interpretation.

Playing around with the FL vanity plate checker, DIAF is still available, and is valid on the Challenger/Columbia plate!

/Poor taste, I know...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2010, 08:58:07 PM
A "Whit" Worthworth collected license plates and posted pictures of them on his website.  Sadly, he died in August, and I want to bookmark his website here in his memory:
http://www.whitworthfamily.org/index1.htm :coffee:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on September 20, 2010, 07:25:30 AM
Frames:

- Dealer ad frames bug me.  I see people who actually have paid good money for alumni places, and then cover up most of the college's name and logo with a dealer ad frame.  Why bother?

- My daughter lives in NC.  New NC law, for in-state and out-of-state cars alike, is that any frame cannot cover ANY part of the state name or any renewal sticker.  Cops are actually enforcing this.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2010, 04:48:29 PM
Does anybody remember the 1963-1964 mini license plates from General Mills' Wheaties that you could send away for?  They included all 50 U.S. States and the provinces (and territories?) of the Dominion of Canada, and you could peel off the backs of them and put them wherever you wanted.  I had some of those (wish I still did). :coffee:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on September 20, 2010, 04:55:53 PM
Frames:

- Dealer ad frames bug me.  I see people who actually have paid good money for alumni places, and then cover up most of the college's name and logo with a dealer ad frame.  Why bother?

I just disagree with the fact that I'm paying the dealer to advertise for them :D
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on September 20, 2010, 10:16:46 PM
Here dealer ad frames are not as common as vinyl decals with the name of the dealership. My PT Cruiser came with a sticker that read "Reynolds/Norman, OK". I peeled off the Reynolds part, but decided to leave "Norman, OK" for now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2010, 10:01:02 AM
This issue of LIFE Magazine from November 1938 shows pictures of license plates 4 all 48 states for 1939 on pages 44 + 45:
http://books.google.com/books?id=a00EAAAAMBAJ&source=gbs_all_issues_r&cad=1 :coffee:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: exit322 on October 04, 2010, 10:27:56 AM
When I bought my last car, the dealer put on my old plates (I traded my old car in - got a good price for a junk car + a good price for the new car...I'm sure they made money, but I was pleased with the price I paid) and put their dealer thing around the plate.  When he got back I had adjusted the sales contract I hadn't yet signed to include a $1,000 advertising discount.  "Well, I'm advertising your place whenever I drive anywhere, and since I drive all over the place and nationally, $1,000 is pretty cheap advertising for the hundreds of thousands of cars I will see over the next few years."

I don't have a dealer thing on my plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on October 04, 2010, 10:34:41 AM
Wow. Wish I had thought to do that. :P
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on October 04, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
My family has an odd superstition about dealer decals on our cars. My parents' 1981 Olds Omega needed some body work done on the back end after some vandalism. In the process of the repairs, the dealer sticker came off the car. Afterwards, the Omega started having engine troubles, going through thermostats at a rapid pace.

My parents ordered a 1989 Olds Cutlass Calais that came without a sticker on it. The fuel pump failed before the odometer rolled past 50 miles. After it was towed to the dealer, Mom asked our salesman if "now that bugs are worked out of it, you'd be proud enough to claim the sale and attach the sticker." The car only had the typical repairs after that point.

When my parents ordered a 2002 Olds Intrigue, they agreed to sell me their 1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme. The Supreme's dealer sticker was starting to peel off the trunk lid. They told their salesman that it was a condition of the sale of the new car to get a new sticker for their old car before it was transferred to me. (They've only dealt with the same salesman for all of their cars, even though the dealer was Fisher Chevy Olds in 1980, Nelson Chevy Olds Geo in 1993 and Crown Motors of Negaunee in 2001.) He dug up some old Nelson's stickers he stashed before the dealer name changed earlier that year.

My current car is a 2003 Olds Alero, bought from Crown Motors. Like its predecessors, the new owners always kept their iconic UP-shaped stickers, and since I used the same salesman, I'm the third generation of the family to buy a car there. Between grandma's old car, my parents' old car and my current car, I've owned cars with three similar dealer stickers all originally sold by the same salesman . Sadly, Crown has since sold to Fox Motors, and the UP-shaped stickers are a thing of the past.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on October 07, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
Talk about your superstitions...

In Massachusetts, way back in the era when license plates were changed every year, the Regsitry of Motor Vehicles decided to place an image of the codfish (the official fish of the Commonwealth, and the source of much income for the Bay State's fishing industry) on the license plates for 1928.  The fish (really looking more like a long guppy than a codfish) was placed at the bottom of the plate, between "1928" and "Mass," with the fish's head facing away from "Mass."  1928 turned out to be a disastrous year for the Massachusetts fishing industry, and the ever-superstitious fishermen blamed the Registry.

(http://www.mass.gov/rmv/history/images/plate12.jpg)

For 1929 the fish (now looking slightly more like a codfish) was still there on truck plates, but now its head was facing "Mass."  It was removed from passenger plates.

(http://www.mass.gov/rmv/history/images/plate11.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on October 20, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
NJ to unveil new NASCAR license Plates (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101020/SPORTS06/101020005/-1/updates/NJ-to-unveil-new-NASCAR-license-Plates)

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WALL TOWNSHIP, N.J. — NASCAR fans in New Jersey can start their engines and display new license plates of their favorite drivers.

The Motor Vehicle Commission will unveil 12 new plates at Wall Stadium racetrack in Wall Township today.

One of the plates features New Jersey's own Martin Truex Jr. Truex drove his first modified stock car at Wall Stadium.

His son, NASCAR Driver Ryan Truex, will join MVC Chief Administrator Raymond Martinez at the stadium.

NASCAR license plates are available for a one-time fee of $60. The plates can be personalized for an additional $50.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on November 15, 2010, 07:21:04 PM
I've now seen ZZZ issue NJ plates and the first of the new A##*ANN plates, so I can confirm NJ has switched to its newest alphanumeric scheme.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on November 26, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
For all those folks who care about Idaho, Ada County finally exhausted the 1A XX000 series, finishing with ZZ999. I saw the first of the new number format. It's 0X000- the one I saw was 1A 1M897 or something like that. I suspect once that's exhausted they'll go 0XX00.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on November 27, 2010, 07:34:40 PM
Wonder why NJ still uses two plates given our status as one of the bottom 3 in terms of highway debt.

My Mom is from Northern Florida but I grew up in NJ.  When I was 12 I spent the summer with my Granny here in Jacksonville and I really hated being a Yankee after that, so I took my Dad's front tag off to look more like FL.  He would have failed inspection other than wearing his police uniform.  He was pissed

I am a fan of Dexter on Showtime but I get annoyed because it is set in Miami and they always show a front Florida tag.  Don't they have people that check for continuity etc that would say hey its not California... Florida doesn't have front licence plates.  But I think that the movies/TV show front tags for everywhere because those people never go anywhere but Calfornia and New York
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on November 27, 2010, 07:38:03 PM
The only time you can have one plate on your car in Maine is the 14 day paper plate when you buy a new car. Otherwise you have to have two (both plates with reg stickers. I know CA didn't need reg stickers on the front plate) And they will yank you over quick if you don't have a front plate.

Maine also have 25 varieties of plates for cars (20 or so for regular non-govt cars) which I think is a waste.

I know someone who was trying to make $4000 by transporting some pot from California to Nebraska.  He got pulled over for not having a front tag.. busted with 60lbs of marijuana for not having a front tag
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Revive 755 on January 04, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
First of Nebraska's new plates issued (includes a picture of the new design)
http://www.journaldemocrat.com/news/x1458585990/Nebraskas-new-license-plates-issued-in-Otoe-County (http://www.journaldemocrat.com/news/x1458585990/Nebraskas-new-license-plates-issued-in-Otoe-County)

Personally, I liked the current design much better.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on January 04, 2011, 01:21:13 AM
First of Nebraska's new plates issued (includes a picture of the new design)
http://www.journaldemocrat.com/news/x1458585990/Nebraskas-new-license-plates-issued-in-Otoe-County (http://www.journaldemocrat.com/news/x1458585990/Nebraskas-new-license-plates-issued-in-Otoe-County)

Personally, I liked the current design much better.

NOT ANOTHER STATE WEBSITE!!!  I really hate the MYFLORIDA.COM  tags we have in Florida

[Fixed quoting. -S.]
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Andrew T. on January 05, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
The serial font is a step above the epitomization of illegibility they used before.  I won't forgive the state for doing away with embossing in 2004, though.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on June 11, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
Georgia Department of Revenue hosts contest for new license plate design (http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/16d32d14243744d28c26f0a3d92941a3/GA--License-Plate-Contest/ :colorful:)

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ATLANTA — There's just over a week left to submit artwork in the state Department of Revenue's license plate design contest.

The department is seeking an original design to appear on the new, general Georgia license plate starting in 2012. The deadline for entries is next Friday, June 17.

The contest is open to all Georgia citizens or companies authorized to do business in the state. The public will get the opportunity to choose three semifinalists in an online vote from June 24 to July 8.

Those three designs will be presented to Gov. Nathan Deal, who will announce the winning design July 15.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: brownpelican on June 11, 2011, 07:29:01 PM
Louisiana's bicentennial plate is pretty popular:

(http://media.nola.com/politics/photo/9091594-large.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 12, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
Here is one I am conflicted on.  West Virginia and Virginia have joined Kentucky in offering plates to members of the "Friends of Coal", and apparently such efforts are pending in other coal states.

Now, personally, I agree with the group's views, but to have such an opennly political organization on a government issued plate seems to open a Pandora's Box to every such group everywhere.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 12, 2011, 08:04:11 AM
^^ Maybe the first time in KY and WV, but political orgs have done this in other states.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Michael in Philly on June 12, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
Here is one I am conflicted on.  West Virginia and Virginia have joined Kentucky in offering plates to members of the "Friends of Coal", and apparently such efforts are pending in other coal states.

Now, personally, I agree with the group's views, but to have such an opennly political organization on a government issued plate seems to open a Pandora's Box to every such group everywhere.

It's probably legal, but once they start permitting one organization's slogans on their plates, I believe they are legally obligated to permit any organization that wants it.  If that's what you mean by Pandora's box.  (Incidentally, I believe I've read that New Hampshire and the District of Columbia have to make plates without the "Live free or die" and "Taxation without representation" available to people who don't want those slogans.  Although, [warning: editorial] having lived in Washington, I can't imagine who in their right mind would prefer continued non-representation, and I'd be all for embarrassing the rest of the country, or at least the representatives from the rest of the country who are wandering around Washington, albeit most of them are probably impervious to embarrassment, about it on my license plate [end of editorial].)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Sykotyk on June 12, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
Supposedly a valid Florida tag "YMFCS" is out there.  I will let our members do the interpretation.

It's not a disability tag where the S is a 5? Maybe...just maybe....? ;)

YMFCS - Your M*****-F***ing Car Sucks?

or

You M*****-F***ing C*** Sucker?


With the rest of the discussion, I hate the dealer plate holder hiding the state, etc. In Ohio, you're not supposed to cover up your reg tag or county tag. As for state's with web addresses, apparently the people in charge of approving the new designs have never heard of google.

I don't think there's one person alive who thought, "I really want to learn about visiting Florida, but don't know how to find that online. Oh well."
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on June 12, 2011, 10:30:28 PM
In some states that require front plates, the cops like them because the front plate provides a convenient target when they're using laser speed enforcement.

Regarding different plate designs, Virginia has something like 180 or more options. The General Assembly has to approve each design and they have a process set up where it's more or less a rubber-stamp once they get the 350 applicants for a specific design, but it still seems like the legislators ought to have better things to do than deal with license-plate designs.

Regarding profane plates, there was an article in the Washington Post a few years ago about a woman in Maryland whose plate was revoked because of complaints about it bearing a word that women do not like. The woman who had the plate claimed that it meant "COUNTESS," as in the title of nobility, but that because of the character limitation she had to omit a letter and so she omitted the "O" to make it fit. You figure it out....  :-D
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 12, 2011, 11:38:55 PM

YMFCS - Your M*****-F***ing Car Sucks?

or

You M*****-F***ing C*** Sucker?

did we ever resolve what this stands for upthread?  I don't remember reading an answer.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on June 13, 2011, 12:40:38 PM
Here is one I am conflicted on.  West Virginia and Virginia have joined Kentucky in offering plates to members of the "Friends of Coal", and apparently such efforts are pending in other coal states.

Now, personally, I agree with the group's views, but to have such an opennly political organization on a government issued plate seems to open a Pandora's Box to every such group everywhere.

We have "Choose Life" anti-abortion plates here. Also "Family First" and "Family Values" plates that fund anti-gay groups, as well as a few other plates funding Christian groups. But how to does the state differentiate a non-profit political group from any other non-profit? It's not always clear cut. Take our "Save the Manatees" plate for instance. It funds a group that is viewed by some here as a vocal anti-boating political organization fronting as an environmental charity, while others see the group as purely dedicated to protecting an endangered species. Who would (or should) get to decide? That's why they leave it open to all.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 13, 2011, 01:24:01 PM
has the KKK attempted to sponsor license plates yet?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on June 13, 2011, 03:22:15 PM
That's why they leave it open to all.

Exactly, we should allow anybody or nobody.

In Tennessee, we have many of the same plates you described.  Plus many others.

You have civic organizations with plates, plus the masons who are either a civic organization, secret society, quasi-religion, etc. depending on who you ask.

has the KKK attempted to sponsor license plates yet?
No, but we do have Sons of Confederate Veterans, complete with Confederate Battle Flag!
(http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/clubsorgs/confedvet.jpg)

Some others that might cause controversy:
American Eagle Foundation (preservation  of the Eagle) with "In God We Trust" on  the plate:
(http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/clubsorgs/eagle.jpg)

The second amendment crowd:
(http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/clubsorgs/ducksunlimited.jpg) (http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/clubsorgs/nra.jpg) (http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/wildlifeanimal/sportsman.jpg)

Tree huggers (Tennessee Wildlife Federation):
(http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/wildlifeanimal/wildlifefed.jpg) (http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/wildlifeanimal/hummingbird.jpg)

And the numerous college and pro plates.  And, yes, you can get an U of Alabama or U of Florida plate as well as UT!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 14, 2011, 07:06:01 AM
And the numerous college and pro plates.  And, yes, you can get an U of Alabama or U of Florida plate as well as UT!

This is another one I am conflicted on.  We in WV allow that, but only Virginia Tech and Penn State have enough takers to qualify.  Kentucky and Ohio will not do out-of-state college plates.  The Marshall alumni office gave the Ohio authorities notice that it could sell over 1000 but the local state represenative told them "it was all tied up between Ohio State and Notre Dame people" and would never happen.   Ohio state government is generally unresponsive to anything in SE Ohio.

The best solution seems to be what they do in NC.  They will do out-of-state and in-state private school alumni plates, but the school must grant their permission to use their trademarks without payment and the extra fee goes to the state university system.  So if you are in NC and buy a Georgia Tech alumni plate, you are funding UNC, NCSU, etc.

According to the alumni offices, one can get a Marshall plate in WV (of course), VA, MD, and PA, and a WVU plate in those state plus Delaware.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Michael in Philly on June 14, 2011, 09:17:55 AM
^^^I'm not clear how Notre Dame is different (in Ohio) than Marshall.  Except that it's actually farther from the state line.  Of course, Marshall doesn't have a national over-the-air network broadcasting all its football games.  [rolleyes]
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on June 14, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
Here is a complete list of TN collegiate plates:
http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/licenseplates/collegiate/collegiate.htm

Notre Dame is not here but the Hokies are!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Eth on June 14, 2011, 11:08:20 PM
I've been surprised on a few occasions how far away a state will issue a license plate for a particular university.  At my previous employer, I used to regularly see a car in the parking lot with a Florida State license plate issued by Virginia.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on June 15, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
I've been surprised on a few occasions how far away a state will issue a license plate for a particular university.  At my previous employer, I used to regularly see a car in the parking lot with a Florida State license plate issued by Virginia.

Virginia will issue almost anything if 350 people commit to buying the plate after it's approved by the General Assembly. I read an article about it a few years ago where they explained that they had already allowed enough plates that they were concerned that if they started denying some of them without a serious reason (such as a design being offensive or profane or the like) they'd start encountering First Amendment challenges. You might recall that Maryland encountered just that sort of thing when they initially refused to issue a Sons of Confederate Veterans plate that bore that organization's logo, which contains the Battle Flag. The state lost and had to issue the plate. The other thing is that Virginia basically views it as a way to make some money. Those university plates cost an extra $25 per year; if you want a personalized plate, that's $10 more on top of that. Some of the special plate designs aren't so expensive; I have the Jamestown design with the ship on both of my cars and those had a one-time $15 fee with half the money going to historic preservation. To me a one-time fee is quite different from an extra $25 per year!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on June 15, 2011, 10:14:44 AM
Tennessee's policy is similar.  The threshold here is 300, IIRC.  I don't recall of any being turned down yet in this state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on June 16, 2011, 12:46:52 PM
Nevada has a similar policy of allowing multiple types of specialized plates. Typically, the special plates are sponsored by some civic organization with a charitable cause. It used to be that only 250 people were needed within a certain period before the plate would be issued--with concerns over too many plate designs and not enough active registrations on specialty plates, the legislature increased the threshold to 1000 a few sessions ago. Most specialized plates attached to causes cost an extra $30 per year ($50 if personalized), with $20 of that going to the charitable cause.

Nevada only has the UNR and UNLV plates for colleges, with those extra funds raised for academic and athletic scholarships at the respective institution. I doubt there's enough interest in any other college plates currently.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: burgess87 on June 18, 2011, 03:13:53 AM
Just got my NYS vehicle registration renewal in the mail.  It gave me 3 options:

1)  Straight renewal, keep my blue & white plates:  $55.50.
2)  Renewal, new blue & gold plates w/ new tag #:  $80.50.
3)  Renewal, new blue & gold plates w/ current tag #:  $100.50.

Yikes.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on June 18, 2011, 02:54:47 PM
Here is the ultimate "gag me with a spoon" license plate story:

To preface, (IMHO) people who drive a Lexus are made to think they are above everyone else, like they are exempt from using turn signals (most don't).  Even their commercials with the stuffy snobbish spokesmen give that feel. 

Anyhoo, about 8-9 years ago, a local car dealership in Cleveland (Metro Lexus) somehow got the rights to a series of 1,000 "regular issue" Ohio state plates for those who bought Lexuses from them.  Each brand-new Lexus owner would then receive a license plate with XXX-LEX (the x's being numbers).

So these "holier than thou" luxury drivers (IMHO) pretty much got a "vanity" plate with a Metro Lexus plate frame surrounding it. 

From then on, I have always referred to those cars as Lexsuxes.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The Premier on June 18, 2011, 08:06:54 PM
Anyhoo, about 8-9 years ago, a local car dealership in Cleveland (Metro Lexus) somehow got the rights to a series of 1,000 "regular issue" Ohio state plates for those who bought Lexuses from them.  Each brand-new Lexus owner would then receive a license plate with XXX-LEX (the x's being numbers).

Its actually LEX-XXXX. In Ohio, you have the first three letters, followed by four numbers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on June 20, 2011, 02:31:25 AM
^^^

At the moment, anyway.

In the past, Ohio used to alternate the letters and numbers between issues.  I have a few old plates from my time there that have the letters in front and in the back.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: architect77 on June 20, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
^^^

At the moment, anyway.

In the past, Ohio used to alternate the letters and numbers between issues.  I have a few old plates from my time there that have the letters in front and in the back.
My friend asked one day," Why do Georgia tags sometimes start with letters (XXX-9999) and sometimes numbers (9999-XXX)?

I said, "Isn't it obvious? It doubles the possible combinations. A state will run out of plate numbers after about 25 years. North Carolina started using 7 digits (XXX-9999) in 1986 and is now down to the ZZZ-9999. But in NC you can keep your old plate when buying a new car. Here in Georgia the cars at a used car dealership  already have tags on them. So Georgia probably ran out of combinations much quicker forcing them to switch the letter-order.

In California, it's obvious that they took the started with the standard 6 digits (XXX-999) and added a number up front to get 9 times as many combinations (3XXX-9999).

A real collector's item.....About 10 years ago North Carolina issued plates with 8 digits and no dash. I only saw them in Eastern NC. They all started with "GTPXXXXX". I thought they looked kinda cool.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 20, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
Those license plate frames (all of them) need to go away.  They limit the space available for displaying a number.  Ohio's plates use a font narrow enough to fit 8 characters without a space (not that they issue 8-character plates) and it can be rather illegible, with many pairs of letters looking too similar.  The solution must be to use a wider, not-so-tall font and distribute the license plate number onto two lines.
(http://vidthekid.info/misc/tllp.png)
[Edit: Okay, so that registration sticker doesn't convey/emphasize the right information. I'll have to fix it later.]
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 20, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
the idea is a solid one; but the problem with that is that it de-emphasizes the Ohio-ness of the plate, and that would never pass political muster.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 21, 2011, 02:23:47 AM
the idea is a solid one; but the problem with that is that it de-emphasizes the Ohio-ness of the plate, and that would never pass political muster.

Yeah, I think I'm going to re-do it with the wheat field scene from the state seal.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Michael in Philly on June 21, 2011, 09:14:25 AM
I just wish Ohio would do the state name in a way that's legible from more than five feet away.

Also, does anyone else find annoying dealer frames that cover the state name (which is essential information, when you think about it, particularly with the proliferation of designs lately...I just saw something that I'm guessing was yet another special Florida design, but couldn't tell.)

See this post from Skyscraper City:  http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=79500392#post79500392 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=79500392#post79500392)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on June 21, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
Also, does anyone else find annoying dealer frames that cover the state name (which is essential information, when you think about it, particularly with the proliferation of designs lately...

Yes, and that WOULD be an angle to make them illegal or at least make them comply with not blocking essential information.  And, making the plate illegal would mean that more stuff would get stuck on the car with the dealer info.  A co-worker I once knew successfully got the dealer name addons removed from his car after giving the dealer an ultimatum to either remove them or take something like $500 off the price for advertising the dealership.  :-D

Of course, there is nothing preventing the owner from removing the plate frame other than laziness.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 22, 2011, 06:38:57 AM
I really dislike Ohio's current plate.  This farm scene.  Its Ohio, people.  Clevleland, Youngstown, Toledo, Akron.  When I think of Ohio, I do not think "farm".  And the continuation of this pissing contest with NC about the Wright brothers.    Get over it.  Both NC and OH are big enough states that they can move on to touting some other aspect of their history.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on June 22, 2011, 09:45:12 AM
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I really dislike Ohio's current plate.  This farm scene.  Its Ohio, people.  Clevleland, Youngstown, Toledo, Akron.  When I think of Ohio, I do not think "farm".  And the continuation of this pissing contest with NC about the Wright brothers.    Get over it.  Both NC and OH are big enough states that they can move on to touting some other aspect of their history.

I actually do think "farm" when I think Ohio (because I spent my summers as a kid on my grandfather's...farm!) but what makes the Ohio plate awful is that "farm" represents the entire central United States. The current Ohio plate could just as easily be a Kansas plate or an Iowa plate or an Indiana plate. The simple red white and blue "Heart of it All" plate from the late 80s/early 90s is the best Ohio issue I've been around for.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Michael in Philly on June 22, 2011, 10:29:11 AM
I really dislike Ohio's current plate.  This farm scene.  Its Ohio, people.  Clevleland, Youngstown, Toledo, Akron.  When I think of Ohio, I do not think "farm".  And the continuation of this pissing contest with NC about the Wright brothers.    Get over it.  Both NC and OH are big enough states that they can move on to touting some other aspect of their history.

I just dislike it because it's so damn busy.  Plates are getting too artistic at the expense of legibility.  My favorite current, or recent, issues are:

My top favorite - the rest are in no particular order - is Tennessee.  The one with the sort of light-green background - not sure it's still being issued.  (SOME artistry is o.k.)

The previous (previous to the War of 1812 plates) Maryland issue, with the italic font and the state seal.

The Missouri one with the river graphic.

The Virginia that did not have "Virginia" in all caps.  The current New Jersey for the same reason.  I find that font choice simple and elegant.

The new New York, because it's retro and reminds me of the colors they were using when I was growing up (most of my relatives were on Staten Island - I see that plate and deep down imagine a hulking early-70s full-size car driven by one of my grandparents.)  The Colorado one that was used forever is good because it's a classic.  Vermont's good because you know it's a Vermont half a mile away.

NOT recent, but the California sunset design of the '80s may be an all-time favorite.

Let's see...
I dislike - nothing against these states, just their plates - the new Ohio (and I agree that it doesn't really work for, say, Cleveland), Mississippi (just a bit too colorful)...can't think of any others now; those overly-artsy plates just sort of leave me flat.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on June 22, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
Wyoming is still my favorite- even in the direct print era. Good mix of legibility and design, and the giant buckinghorse makes you know it's a Wyoming plate from a mile away.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on June 22, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote
I really dislike Ohio's current plate.  This farm scene.  Its Ohio, people.  Clevleland, Youngstown, Toledo, Akron.  When I think of Ohio, I do not think "farm".  And the continuation of this pissing contest with NC about the Wright brothers.    Get over it.  Both NC and OH are big enough states that they can move on to touting some other aspect of their history.

I actually do think "farm" when I think Ohio (because I spent my summers as a kid on my grandfather's...farm!) but what makes the Ohio plate awful is that "farm" represents the entire central United States. The current Ohio plate could just as easily be a Kansas plate or an Iowa plate or an Indiana plate. The simple red white and blue "Heart of it All" plate from the late 80s/early 90s is the best Ohio issue I've been around for.

Hell...the previous Indiana plate WAS a farm scene, which IMO was better than the current ones, despite having the state's web address. As for Ohio's current plate, I agree with a previous poster that the font for the state name is just too difficult to see from afar. The state name should not be in cursive writing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 22, 2011, 07:23:06 PM
I think the current Ohio plate (actually called "Beautiful Ohio") is pretty, but yeah, it's arguably not very representative of all of Ohio.

Geographically, Ohio is dominated by farms and forested hills.  Demographically, Ohio is mostly suburbs and post-war tract housing.

Hmm, maybe I can insert a distant skyline into the wheat field / sunrise scene from the state seal in my next two-line mockup.  (It wouldn't even be that far from reality, as I personally know of a place where corn fields can be seen in the foreground with, on a clear day, the Columbus skyline in the background -- and I'm not talking about OSU's west-campus agricultural fields.)  And, as I believe license plates should be above all functional, I'll make sure to keep the background elegant and the foreground contrasty.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 22, 2011, 07:28:21 PM
Demographically, Ohio is mostly suburbs and post-war tract housing.

not exactly something to celebrate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 23, 2011, 12:18:08 AM
Demographically, Ohio is mostly suburbs and post-war tract housing.

not exactly something to celebrate.

So says he who lives in the ultimate post-war tract housing state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 23, 2011, 12:30:40 AM
Speaking about licence plates in Ohio. Evidently, there is now a debate at the statehouse concerning whether cars need front licence plates or not.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/jun/22/license-plate-debate-front-and-back-goes-back-and--ar-557599/ (http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/jun/22/license-plate-debate-front-and-back-goes-back-and--ar-557599/)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 01:50:50 AM


So says he who lives in the ultimate post-war tract housing state.

not by choice.  if my employer weren't here, I wouldn't be either.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on July 15, 2011, 12:34:39 AM
Gov. Deal unveils Georgia’s new license plate design today (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/07/15/1657806/deal-unveils-georgias-new-license.html)

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At a news conference this morning in the State Capitol Gov. Nathan Deal will announce the winner of the Georgia License Plate Design Contest. A survey taken outside the Muscogee County Tag Office Thursday showed a clear local favorite.

Five Columbus people were shown a picture of the three finalists. Each preferred the same plate.

Of the three finalists, only one has the name Georgia in script rather than printed. That was the big difference to those surveyed. All three feature peaches -- Georgia law requires the license plates to “advertise, popularize and otherwise promote Georgia as the Peach State” -- but the most popular had them more prominently displayed
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on July 15, 2011, 03:00:59 AM
One thing I think states, especially dual-plate states need to get off their asses and offer are euro clone plates.  They're available in some (all?) Australian states, so why not here?  It could be done on a contract basis, it'd take a little longer since they'd be made-up on demand to reduce wasted costs, but I'd have no problem waiting.

Some would think it's stupid, but for some (like me) who drive and are enthusiastic about our European cars, being able to legally make them look that much more 'at home' would be nice.

Edit:  Like this.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/mr740ti/765/awesomesauce.jpg)

AL is a one-plate state so that's legal, but I'd love to be able to run one on the back as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on July 15, 2011, 07:45:03 AM
^^^ I believe there is some sort of interstate compact (to which the Mexican stares and Canadian provinces also belong) governing the size of license plates and that European-size plates violate the standard. So in a one-plate state, the rear plate has to be the normal North American size.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on July 15, 2011, 09:46:20 PM
^^^ I believe there is some sort of interstate compact (to which the Mexican stares and Canadian provinces also belong) governing the size of license plates and that European-size plates violate the standard. So in a one-plate state, the rear plate has to be the normal North American size.

I believe that's more a guideline than a law, but I could be wrong.

Another part of why I like the euro plates is because they're SIMPLE.  I'm tired of all this cutesy shit they put on license plates these days.  I want a plain, fully-embossed plate that just has a solid color background with a contrasting foreground color like the old days.

With places like licenseplates.tv, there's no reason they couldn't give us the option to have that on a contracted basis.  I'd pay any fee they wanted me to and wait as long as it took because I like SIMPLE PLATES.  Honestly, California's plate is my current favorite.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2011, 08:27:57 AM
One thing I think states, especially dual-plate states need to get off their asses and offer are euro clone plates.  They're available in some (all?) Australian states, so why not here?  It could be done on a contract basis, it'd take a little longer since they'd be made-up on demand to reduce wasted costs, but I'd have no problem waiting.

Puke.  Euro-plates are the ugliest license plates I have ever seen.  A number and nothing else.  No neat design, no slogan, no nothing but a BORING number.  X-(
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on July 16, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
Puke.  Euro-plates are the ugliest license plates I have ever seen.  A number and nothing else.  No neat design, no slogan, no nothing but a BORING number.  X-(

1.  That's why it'd be OPTIONAL.

2.  Look at my posts, some of us LIKE simple, "boring" plates and resent the fact that we don't have a CHOICE in the matter.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on July 16, 2011, 01:30:44 PM
I'd have to imagine the Highway Patrols of various states would enjoy the return of "boring" plates that they could actually read from a distance. It becomes sort of ironic when it becomes difficult to read what a personalized plate says.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on July 16, 2011, 03:06:36 PM

I believe that's more a guideline than a law, but I could be wrong.


It is an intergovernmental agreement fostered by the then US Big Three auto makers via the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.  Stylists felt constrained as they had to make provisions for various sized plates.  Entered into in 1957, although most states had joined earlier.  Even the NWT's bear shaped plate is covered since it fits the spaces.  It was a US/Canada deal, and most of the Americas joined in, as they then sourced their cars from the USA. 

In the Caribbean, it is a mix as most of the Latin countires, and the Dutch, went the US style, while the British and French use Euro style.  St. Martin is interesting as half of the cars are French, with French plates, and half are Dutch, with a US style plate (with the motto in English, despite the supposed legal status of Dutch). 
Title: New license plates for Misssippi and Ohio in 2012.
Post by: Alex on December 08, 2011, 01:52:46 AM
Spotted a couple of news bits of interest on licenseplates.cc:

New general issue license plates for Mississippi in 2012:
http://licenseplates.cc/news/Mississippi-2012-design-unveiled

New general issue license plates for Ohio in 2012:
http://licenseplates.cc/news/Ohio:-The-Slogan-State
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: sandwalk on December 08, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Spotted a couple of news bits of interest on licenseplates.cc:

New general issue license plates for Ohio in 2012:
http://licenseplates.cc/news/Ohio:-The-Slogan-State

I know Ohio's current plates...the one's with the yellow and blue tint, barn, hills, and city skyline....have been controversial since day one.  I hear a lot of people call it the "Hee-Haw" plate LOL.  I hated it at first, but then it grew on me and I actually have them on my car now.  Surprisingly, it complements my fire-engine-red car.

I actually like the 'Hee-Haw' plate better than this proposed new design.  The new design is pretty bland, IMO.  I do, however, like the simplicity of the design and the outline of the state in the first "O" in Ohio.  But having 50 gray-colored slogans (some of which make no sense) scattered all in the background is boring and impossible to read, unless you're stand right next to the vehicle.

I do miss having the county names on the plates......obviously the numbers make it harder to tell where someone is from.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: allniter89 on December 08, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
Spotted a couple of news bits of interest on licenseplates.cc:

New general issue license plates for Ohio in 2012:
http://licenseplates.cc/news/Ohio:-The-Slogan-State

I know Ohio's current plates...the one's with the yellow and blue tint, barn, hills, and city skyline....have been controversial since day one.  I hear a lot of people call it the "Hee-Haw" plate LOL.  I hated it at first, but then it grew on me and I actually have them on my car now.  Surprisingly, it complements my fire-engine-red car.

I actually like the 'Hee-Haw' plate better than this proposed new design.  The new design is pretty bland, IMO.  I do, however, like the simplicity of the design and the outline of the state in the first "O" in Ohio.  But having 50 gray-colored slogans (some of which make no sense) scattered all in the background is boring and impossible to read, unless you're stand right next to the vehicle.

I do miss having the county names on the plates......obviously the numbers make it harder to tell where someone is from.
I like MS but I think OH could do better.
I'd like to see every state have county names on their plates. Why not?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on December 08, 2011, 01:47:24 PM
I like the new ohio design. It's scarlet and gray, and simple too.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on December 08, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
That's a gorgeous plate- the current Ohio plate could easily be from just about any state that doesn't have an ocean along it. Much more unique and easily identifiable
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: andrewkbrown on December 08, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
I like the new Ohio plates as well. Easy to read the state name, which has been difficult since the white and gold plates. And I like the overall simplicity as well. I like simple plates, which must be why I like my current Virginia plates.

And I too would also like to see Ohio go back to county names on the bottom.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on December 08, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
That's a gorgeous plate- the current Ohio plate could easily be from just about any state that doesn't have an ocean along it. Much more unique and easily identifiable

I like it as well but there is a part of me that wouldn't mind the triangle being the actual shape of the Lake Erie shoreline...it's damn near the same, but unique.

Another tidbit that's been tossed about is the fact the driver's licenses are being redesigned with the same look as well and apparently it's the first time a state will have matching plates and licenses.

Edit: You can vote for the slogans that will appear here (https://ext.dps.state.oh.us/BMVOnlineServices.Public/NewPlateSloganVote.aspx).  Some of these choices are bullshit of the first order, though  :bigass:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on December 08, 2011, 11:06:21 PM
I like it...as long as it will still be embossed.  If they go print-only, toss it in the bin with all the other ugly plates.  I don't care what anyone else says, print-only ruins a plate no matter how attractive it is otherwise.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on December 08, 2011, 11:08:09 PM
I'd like to see every state have county names on their plates. Why not?

Ohio uses the bottom for crap like "apportioned" and "ambulette" and whatever specialty name it needs.  Since the county number is still on the plate, I guess they feel it's as good as the old school ones in other states where the county number was part of the plate number.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on December 08, 2011, 11:11:03 PM
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I like it as well but there is a part of me that wouldn't mind the triangle being the actual shape of the Lake Erie shoreline...it's damn near the same, but unique.

Ooo..hey, yeah. That would have been a good call
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on December 09, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
Yeah, the Ohio plates are alright, I just could never read the name of the state while driving and had to assume by its colors that it was Ohio. I think some Hoosiers are having the reverse effect of previously having numbers on our plates for our counties to having the name of the counties on them. With the numbers there was a code and you had to be familar with it to understand where the driver was from, such as 49 for Marion County, 45 for Lake, and 2 for Allen. Now, the answer to the riddle is right there on the plate, that and you have people peeling the county name sticker off so that you don't know what county their from, with the older system that wasn't possible.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on December 09, 2011, 03:15:48 AM
I like it...as long as it will still be embossed.  If they go print-only, toss it in the bin with all the other ugly plates.  I don't care what anyone else says, print-only ruins a plate no matter how attractive it is otherwise.

Only the standard-issue plates (the ones they hand you off the top of a stack at the BMV) are embossed.  If you want a logo or any special plate (even "historical" plates) or any specific number, you get a flat plate with a crappy font.  With the complexity and many colors of the current design ("Beautiful Ohio") I'm surprised any are embossed at all.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on December 09, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
....
 
I'd like to see every state have county names on their plates. Why not?

I don't like the idea of county names on the plates because it seems like it would be a hassle when you move. Wouldn't you have to get the plates reissued? When I got married and my wife moved in with me, all she had to do with respect to the car was to update the registration with the DMV, register with Fairfax County for car tax reasons, and notify the City of Alexandria that she was moving out (again for car tax reasons). We did all that online. The plate stayed the same.

Almost all the counties and cities in Virginia used to use the odious "county sticker" where you paid your car tax and then you paid another fee to get this stupid sticker that you had to put on your windshield to prove you paid it. (Yes, you had to pay a fee to prove that you paid your tax.) A fair number of them have done away with the silly things, though not all (Fairfax County doesn't have them; Alexandria does.) One of the arguments for getting rid of them is that with modern computer technology, and with cops having access to such technology in their cars, the county sticker isn't necessary anymore. Seems to me the same argument should hold true for county names on license plates: If the cop is just going to run your plate number through a computer, then won't the computer tell him where the car is registered?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: stormwatch7721 on December 09, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
So what are the new Ohio plates supposed to look like or is it unveiled yet?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 09, 2011, 04:11:15 PM
So what are the new Ohio plates supposed to look like or is it unveiled yet?

(http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/vote2.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on December 10, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
I'd like to see every state have county names on their plates. Why not?

Back in the 1980s, when adding county names to the license plates was the rage, it took me a little while to realize that there wasn't a Wander County, Indiana...   ;-)

http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/framptons/index.php?cat=Indiana_license_plates
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on December 10, 2011, 01:10:04 PM
Mississippi's new plate is interesting.  While the author of the website from the link states it an attempt at "geographic ballance" as the previous plates depicted things from central and then southern Mississippi, it clearly goes farther than that, as it acomplishes a racial purpose, as it is the first plate from that state with a black theme.

Ohio looks like some PC effort where nobody could decide on what the motto should be, so they went with all of them.  This is a list of the varrious backgound slogans, of which the top 20 or so out of an online vote will be the background.   I doubt many Ohioans could even get a 75% in telling what these things even are:

17th State
1st Electric Light Bulb
1st Professional Baseball Team
1st Traffic Light
40,948 Square Miles
Annie Oakley
Appalachian Plateau
Beautiful Ohio
The Buckeye State
Cardinal
Cleveland Orchestra
Cy Young
DiscoverOhio.com
Dunbar House
Edison
Est. 1803
First Ladies Library
Glacier Grooves
The Heart of It All
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Heisman
Hocking Hills
Home of Astronauts
The Horseshoe
Inventors
Iroquois for Beautiful River
Jesse Owens
Johnny Appleseed
Ladybug
Lake Erie
Manufacturing Leader
Marietta-1st Settlement
Mother of Presidents
Newark Mounds
Ohio Burgee
The Ohio Caverns
The Ohio River
Perry's Victory
Pro Football Hall of Fame
Put-in-Bay
Red Carnation
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Roller Coaster Capital of the World
Rubber Capital of the World
Serpent Mound
So Much to Discover
Spiegel Grove
State of Perfect Balance
Steel
Taft Museum
Tecumseh
Toledo Museum of Art
University Circle
West Side Market
White Trillium
With God All Things Are Possible
Woody Hayes
Wright Brothers
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

As to counties, it seems that most states that list county names have, or had, a system where the county clerk was involved in plate issuance and/or vehicle taxes varried greatly from county to county.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: stormwatch7721 on December 10, 2011, 05:35:51 PM
So what are the new Ohio plates supposed to look like or is it unveiled yet?

(http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/vote2.jpg)


Oh wow. That is a not a bad license plate at all.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: architect77 on December 13, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I just read this article which also contains an interesting link:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/12/13/1707380/dmv-did-the-math.html
http://ricksplates.com/
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
New Texas general issue, possibly starting in August 2012.

http://licenseplates.cc/news/New-Texas-general-issue-for-2012
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on March 29, 2012, 12:49:50 PM
New Texas general issue, possibly starting in August 2012.

http://licenseplates.cc/news/New-Texas-general-issue-for-2012

I like it. Nice and clean looking. I think my favorite TX plate was the blue-on-white ones with the flag at the top.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: KEVIN_224 on March 29, 2012, 01:48:06 PM
I guess anything is better than how New York went back to the blue-on-orange, kinda like what they once had in the 1970s and much of the 1980s. We here in Connecticut have a gradient blue design, with a tiny dark blue CT outline and "Constitution State" on it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on March 29, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
New Texas general issue, possibly starting in August 2012.

http://licenseplates.cc/news/New-Texas-general-issue-for-2012

I like it. Nice and clean looking. I think my favorite TX plate was the blue-on-white ones with the flag at the top.

Agreed, the old Texas plate with the flag was a classic.  Is the upcoming one simple black on white, or is the picture just of poor quality?  If it's simple black on white, I applaud it.  While I enjoy the cool graphics the last couple of decades have brought us, especially in México, there's a je ne sais quoi about plain-jane design that I really miss.  Utah plates from the mid-1980s, for example, are plain as can be yet have an elegance about them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on March 29, 2012, 01:54:00 PM
Does anyone know if it's possible to request a specific license plate design? I remember my family had an old station wagon with a yellow on blue license plate, but all the newer cars I've had since then have had the standard blue on white. Is it possible to get yellow on blue, or was that an old California standard not made anymore?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on March 29, 2012, 02:17:28 PM
One thing I think states, especially dual-plate states need to get off their asses and offer are euro clone plates.  They're available in some (all?) Australian states, so why not here?  It could be done on a contract basis, it'd take a little longer since they'd be made-up on demand to reduce wasted costs, but I'd have no problem waiting.

Some would think it's stupid, but for some (like me) who drive and are enthusiastic about our European cars, being able to legally make them look that much more 'at home' would be nice.

Edit:  Like this.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/mr740ti/765/awesomesauce.jpg)

AL is a one-plate state so that's legal, but I'd love to be able to run one on the back as well.

With about 50% of the vehicles in the US being from domestic/North American facilities, very few of them can fit a rear Euro-width plate. Some of the world-car platforms from Ford might work, but not much else. So it might be 20 years until we see a rear plate like the European dimensions are; even Japanese license plates are roughly the same as ours.

Kind of miss the old Florida plates from around 1980 or so, green on white, very austere. The standard issue ones now are odd-looking (looks more like misteltoe), although some of the 50 "cause" designs aren't half bad. Personally, I like boring US Paratrooper one, but I don't deserve it, but it's a very clean and sharp design.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on March 29, 2012, 02:29:21 PM
Does anyone know if it's possible to request a specific license plate design? I remember my family had an old station wagon with a yellow on blue license plate, but all the newer cars I've had since then have had the standard blue on white. Is it possible to get yellow on blue, or was that an old California standard not made anymore?

Whenever you go to register a car, you get the newest plate. It's the easiest way for the DMV to run a database of who has what plate, since you don't have to contend with the possibility of two different people having blue A55 RGY and white A55 RGY. Some states will even force "general reissues", which is when everyone has to get new plates—generally this is done when the number scheme is nearing exhaustion and it is desired to definitively free up old plate numbers (which may still be in use, or belong to cars which have crashed or are otherwise no longer in service).

Given all of this it would be very difficult to get an older plate for active use. (You could have course get one to hang on the wall comparatively easily.) The only exception I could think of, which probably doesn't apply in all states, is for antique cars, which can sometimes be granted special dispensation to use period-appropriate plates. But that's probably considered easily handled since 1) antique cars aren't generally being driven daily and 2) in the unlikely event someone tries to use their car to Do Evil more attention will be drawn to the fact that it's a Model T in pristine condition than the license plate anyway.

One thing I think states, especially dual-plate states need to get off their asses and offer are euro clone plates.  They're available in some (all?) Australian states, so why not here?  It could be done on a contract basis, it'd take a little longer since they'd be made-up on demand to reduce wasted costs, but I'd have no problem waiting.

Some would think it's stupid, but for some (like me) who drive and are enthusiastic about our European cars, being able to legally make them look that much more 'at home' would be nice.

AL is a one-plate state so that's legal, but I'd love to be able to run one on the back as well.

With about 50% of the vehicles in the US being from domestic/North American facilities, very few of them can fit a rear Euro-width plate. Some of the world-car platforms from Ford might work, but not much else. So it might be 20 years until we see a rear plate like the European dimensions are; even Japanese license plates are roughly the same as ours.

Kind of miss the old Florida plates from around 1980 or so, green on white, very austere. The standard issue ones now are odd-looking (looks more like misteltoe), although some of the 50 "cause" designs aren't half bad. Personally, I like boring US Paratrooper one, but I don't deserve it, but it's a very clean and sharp design.

One would have to wonder if there would be enough people interested in the design to make up enough revenue to consider the investment that would have to be made in producing such oddly-proportioned plates. I imagine it'd be marginal.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: texaskdog on March 29, 2012, 03:22:38 PM
Texas has dozens of choices.  I can't decide between the Big Bend National Park plate or the hike & bike trail plate.  Neither one is visually very appealling and I'd like to support both.  $30 for either one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on March 29, 2012, 03:34:57 PM
Does anyone know if it's possible to request a specific license plate design? I remember my family had an old station wagon with a yellow on blue license plate, but all the newer cars I've had since then have had the standard blue on white. Is it possible to get yellow on blue, or was that an old California standard not made anymore?

No.  You would not be able to get the old color scheme for a new registration.  Old registrations are grandfathered in from old registrants who never let it lapse or had their priveleges suspended.  That's why you still see some in use. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on March 29, 2012, 04:12:32 PM
I wish NJ adopted this style

(http://moini.net/njplates/proto1.jpg)

(http://moini.net/njplates/proto2.jpg)

(http://moini.net/njplates/proto3.jpg)


Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 29, 2012, 04:47:58 PM

No.  You would not be able to get the old color scheme for a new registration.  Old registrations are grandfathered in from old registrants who never let it lapse or had their priveleges suspended.  That's why you still see some in use. 

you may use a vanity plate from your car's year of issue, but it's your task to find it.

my girlfriend has an '84 Mercedes with the classic '84 sunset plates because she managed to find a vanity pair secondhand in good enough condition for field use.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/CaliforniaGoldenState2GAT123.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 29, 2012, 06:24:25 PM

No.  You would not be able to get the old color scheme for a new registration.  Old registrations are grandfathered in from old registrants who never let it lapse or had their priveleges suspended.  That's why you still see some in use. 

you may use a vanity plate from your car's year of issue, but it's your task to find it.

my girlfriend has an '84 Mercedes with the classic '84 sunset plates because she managed to find a vanity pair secondhand in good enough condition for field use.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/CaliforniaGoldenState2GAT123.png)

IMO, that might be the nicest-looking plate ever issued by the Golden State.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 29, 2012, 06:32:36 PM
IMO, that might be the nicest-looking plate ever issued by the Golden State.

indeed - had to have it!

before some threshold year (1961, I believe, but don't quote me on it) you can use not just vanity plates, but standard-issue plates on your old car as long as they match the model year, and are a pair in reasonable condition.  I know I've seen plenty of 30s and 40s vehicles out there with appropriate plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on March 29, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
New Texas general issue, possibly starting in August 2012.

http://licenseplates.cc/news/New-Texas-general-issue-for-2012
Way to go Texas. Lose the interesting background while maintaining the butt-ugly font. About as festive as a U.S. Government plate. The only beneficial thing this change does is eliminate the weird letter-number sequencing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on March 29, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
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One would have to wonder if there would be enough people interested in the design to make up enough revenue to consider the investment that would have to be made in producing such oddly-proportioned plates. I imagine it'd be marginal.

You could do something like Delaware does with their historic low-serial plates and allow you to buy one made from a private company, provided it wore the correct number and was built to proper specification- so the plate on Crazy Volvo Guy's Volvo would be legal on the rear as long as it matched the number of his actual registration.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: YankeesFan on March 29, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
def ready for NJ to re-design our ugly as sin plates... :banghead:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on March 30, 2012, 02:05:31 PM
IMO, that might be the nicest-looking plate ever issued by the Golden State.

indeed - had to have it!

before some threshold year (1961, I believe, but don't quote me on it) you can use not just vanity plates, but standard-issue plates on your old car as long as they match the model year, and are a pair in reasonable condition.  I know I've seen plenty of 30s and 40s vehicles out there with appropriate plates.

Virginia does something similar. A vehicle older than 25 years can be registered as an antique and can use either antique plates or older "vintage" Virginia license plates from the year of manufacture (you must provide the older plate yourself). But the "vintage" plates may only be used on vehicles manufactured prior to 1973 because that was the year when Virginia switched to the "sticker" system that's still in use. The "antique" plates come with a number of other restrictions, including a prohibition on driving the vehicle for everyday purposes (to include commuting) and a requirement that you certify that you have another non-antique vehicle available for daily use. Part of the reason for the strict requirements is that the registration fee for an antique is reduced. The odd thing is that you can register an older car and use "vintage" plates WITHOUT registering it as an "antique" if you choose.

I have a car that will be eligible for antique status in 2013 (an RX-7) and my brother has one that's eligible now (a '74 Beetle), but neither of us plans to register either car that way. We don't want our use of the cars to be restricted. If I were allowed to put "vintage" plates on the RX-7 I'd consider doing that, but it's not old enough.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on March 30, 2012, 03:21:45 PM
def ready for NJ to re-design our ugly as sin plates... :banghead:

Careful what you wish for.  You might end up with those stupid 3M "digital" flat plates, which means they'll likely be hideous regardless.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on March 30, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
I'd like to see every state have county names on their plates. Why not?

I wouldn't.

It identifies a general area where you live, should someone decide to start stalking you.  In states with geographically huge counties, like NV, AZ and UT, that's not a huge issue, but in TX or geographically smaller states, we have a problem.

It also allows the cops to very easily see you're from out-of-area in larger states, so they could single you out for stricter enforcement because they know it'll be easy money as you'll be less likely to come and fight it.

Ergo: I don't like county ID systems of any kind on plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on March 30, 2012, 05:15:00 PM
In Kansas, we have two-letter county code tabs at the top of our license plates.  But our van has a special-issue pink ribbon plate, and therefore does not have the two-letter code.  It's actually a bit of a letdown, sometimes.  Say I'm driving down the highway 600 miles from home and pass by another car from Sedgwick County.  Well, we two drivers might just feel a bit of a bond on the great asphalt ribbon.  But, wait, DOH!  My license plate is missing that little bit of information.  Good feeling gone.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on March 31, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
def ready for NJ to re-design our ugly as sin plates... :banghead:

Careful what you wish for.  You might end up with those stupid 3M "digital" flat plates, which means they'll likely be hideous regardless.
Some of the digital flat plates look better than others. That generic font used by Texas, Wyoming and a few others is hideous. When Minnesota went to its flat plate, it maintained a font very similar to what was used on its embossed plates, which looks much better. It still isn't as crisp as a nicely embossed plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on March 31, 2012, 01:52:51 PM
And Nevada's just plain sucks.
I'm actually partial to Delaware's plates, simply because they're so different from the rest.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: flowmotion on March 31, 2012, 02:58:40 PM
Does anyone know if it's possible to request a specific license plate design? I remember my family had an old station wagon with a yellow on blue license plate, but all the newer cars I've had since then have had the standard blue on white. Is it possible to get yellow on blue, or was that an old California standard not made anymore?

There is a proposal to bring back the black and blue plates as retro designs:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/03/26/california-considers-the-return-of-black-license-plates/

(I'd certainly consider getting one - I can't stand the awful 1990s "California" script on the current plates.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on March 31, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
Yeah, the lipstick license plate does look pretty funny on a rural pickup.

Is there a website for the new Texas plate other than the one provided?  The graphic looks to be of too poor quality to be legitimate, and I can't seem to verify the new design on any other website.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 04, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
The new Texas plate looks really nice in my opinion. My cousins in Texas dislike the current plate for some reason.

Have you guys also noticed that the new California plates have "dmv.ca.gov" written on the bottom? Looks very nice in my opinion. What about you guys?

I'm also wondering when the new Georgia plates are going to be out. They're apparently going to be flat plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2012, 02:07:35 PM

Have you guys also noticed that the new California plates have "dmv.ca.gov" written on the bottom? Looks very nice in my opinion. What about you guys?


I'm not much of a fan of websites on license plates... you'd figure that when it comes time to re-register (which is about the only time you'd need to visit the DMV website), the website would be included in the reminder letter.

the previous CA design I thought was much cleaner... but of course, there is only one sunset plate!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/CaliforniaGoldenState2GAT123.png)

I've always wished they'd have kept that one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 04, 2012, 02:15:18 PM
the previous CA design I thought was much cleaner... but of course, there is only one sunset plate!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/CaliforniaGoldenState2GAT123.png)

I've always wished they'd have kept that one.

I once tried to design a license plate combining the elements of that plate, the blue plates, and the script plates. Didn't turn out well in my opinion.

If I designed plates for the DMV, I would design one for every major sports team and every colllege/university in California (UCLA is not enough). And maybe some more for other causes and organizations (Like the whale plates , Yosemite, etc.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on April 04, 2012, 02:22:02 PM
If I designed plates for the DMV, I would design one for every major sports team and every colllege/university in California (UCLA is not enough). And maybe some more for other causes and organizations (Like the whale plates , Yosemite, etc.)

Sounds like you'd fit in well at the Wisconsin DMV: http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/plateguide/special.htm (http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/plateguide/special.htm)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on April 04, 2012, 02:29:46 PM
Wisconsin has nothing on Idaho (warning PDF) (http://itd.idaho.gov/dmv/vehicleservices/documents/plates.pdf) (note that there are 10 different school license plates), although the Wisconsin military plates look a lot like standard issue Idaho plates
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2012, 02:43:58 PM

Sounds like you'd fit in well at the Wisconsin DMV: http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/plateguide/special.htm (http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/plateguide/special.htm)

from the "collector" plate on that page:

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Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate.

I wonder why that is... no collector shows in the winter?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 04, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Wisconsin has nothing on Idaho (warning PDF) (http://itd.idaho.gov/dmv/vehicleservices/documents/plates.pdf) (note that there are 10 different school license plates), although the Wisconsin military plates look a lot like standard issue Idaho plates

That's it?

Florida's list: http://www.flhsmv.gov/html/tagbrochure.pdf

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on April 04, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
We have a lot of criminals in Florida; although I've read in the newspapers that permission to operate the plate machinery is actually coveted job within the clink, and only given to the best trustees. Probably because it beats utter boredom and keeps you away from roadside litter and cleaning bathrooms. It all started with that Challenger plate in 1987 or so, and never really looked back.

I've seen plates from Virginia that will have just about any college program's logo on it, so they might hold the de facto record.

Part of me wouldn't mind a NASCAR plate, but that's like having a "Warning: Will speed" sign on your car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on April 04, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
Wisconsin has nothing on Idaho (warning PDF) (http://itd.idaho.gov/dmv/vehicleservices/documents/plates.pdf) (note that there are 10 different school license plates), although the Wisconsin military plates look a lot like standard issue Idaho plates

Look closer, Wisconsin has 14 different school plates (13 different UW campuses, plus a recently released one for Marquette).  Also note that there are quite a few more plates listed within the links on the left side of the page.  (Not that I'm trying to initiate a license plate pissing contest.)

from the "collector" plate on that page:

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Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate.

I wonder why that is... no collector shows in the winter?

It is an odd requirement (no clue as to the DMV reasoning), but regardless, would you really want to drive a collector car that time of the year?
Road salt + collector/expensive car =  :pan:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on April 04, 2012, 05:05:50 PM
....

I've seen plates from Virginia that will have just about any college program's logo on it, so they might hold the de facto record.

....

Virginia has over 200 specialty plate designs. The requirements are fairly straightforward. For most designs, the plate sponsor has to get 350 pre-paid applications and the General Assembly then has to pass a law authorizing the plate design. Such laws are fairly routine, multiple bills on that topic are introduced every year and I believe they're usually consolidated into a single one and then passed. The Commonwealth is reluctant to reject proposed plate designs due to First Amendment concerns—they've reached a point where they've issued so many specialized plates that they're afraid if they reject one they'll be sued for denying free speech rights. That happened in Maryland when the State initially issued a Sons of Confederate Veterans plate containing that organization's logo but then recalled the plates as "offensive" because the logo includes the Battle Flag. The State lost the ensuing federal lawsuit.

Some of Virginia's plates are what you might call rather esoteric.....

(http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/TIBET_tn.jpg)   (http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/PRTHD_tn.jpg)   (http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/REL_tn.jpg)

(http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/HMSCH_tn.jpg)   (http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/FOX_tn.jpg)   (http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/PHS_tn.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on April 04, 2012, 05:21:51 PM
The Parrothead one is more common than you might think. In my neighborhood alone I've seen two.

Also, I read the Pearl Harbor sample as "OOOPH", as in the sound one makes when getting punched in the gut :sombrero:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 04, 2012, 05:34:17 PM
My most recent spotting was on a trip to Minnesota:  Sovereign Nation / Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe.  Of course, we were at a casino.....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 04, 2012, 07:08:05 PM
Colorado's plates are all drawn from the same combination pool 123-ABC. These plates were first issued (I think) in 2000 and were intended to replace the older plates that had various letter-number sequences (AB-1234, then ABC-123 and finally ABC1234). For those plates, the letter sequences indicated the county of issuance, while the current plates are randomly issued. The old plates were never called in, though, and so many are still in circulation.

The "news" is that the state is close to exhausting the available combinations of the current set (now being issued in the "Y" series). To extend the number of combinations, once the "Z" plates are issued, the state will go back through and issue plates with all available combinations including the letter "Q", which has not been used until now. Though all other letters including "I" and "O" are used, there was apparently a problem designing a "Q" that fit within the area on the plate that can be embossed. Not fully understanding this issue, I went to look at California plates, which have had a "Q" with a very visible tail for many years, and discovered that this is possible because the circular part of the letter is well above the baseline of the embossed area. I suspect the new Colorado "Q" will be based on this to some extent, rather than the "Q" barely distinguishable from letter "O" used by states such as Kansas.

Following issuance of the "Q" plates, the state will start over with ABC-123 sequence plates. This would imply at least a limited call-in of 1980s-vintage plates still in use with that pattern.

Fun fact for license plate collectors: The current screened mountain range image is based on the design that was embossed for many years. This is not a depiction of an actual mountain range; in fact, in the pre-1977 era when plates were reissued each year, the license plate die was flipped each year so that last year's mountains became this year's sky.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 07:34:57 PM
I remember a few years ago it was proposed that NJ transfer to one plate. I think law enforcement was the reason used to stick with two plates. That's fine by me. Two plates look "solid". One plated cars always look like something's missing...

I think the real question is, why hasn't NJ changed the designs of their plates in almost 20 years?

Law enforcement thinks they need a lot of things, but believe me, it's a BS argument.  Other states get by with one plate and their LEOs have no trouble with that.  One plate, IMHO, is enough for the vehicle.

Every time anybody wants to change anything, the cops whine, bitch, and moan.  There's no reason for a front plate.  I like having my Razorback plate on the front of my car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
(AB-1234, then ABC-123 and finally ABC1234).

how did Colorado manage to exhaust ABC1234?  California has 1ABC234 (same number of combinations) and is still only on 6Vxx or so, despite starting that pattern in the late 70s and having a lot more vehicles.

Did Colorado skip a lot of the available ABC1234 space?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 08:34:11 PM
Here is one I am conflicted on.  West Virginia and Virginia have joined Kentucky in offering plates to members of the "Friends of Coal", and apparently such efforts are pending in other coal states.

Now, personally, I agree with the group's views, but to have such an opennly political organization on a government issued plate seems to open a Pandora's Box to every such group everywhere.

We have "Choose Life" anti-abortion plates here. Also "Family First" and "Family Values" plates that fund anti-gay groups, as well as a few other plates funding Christian groups. But how to does the state differentiate a non-profit political group from any other non-profit? It's not always clear cut. Take our "Save the Manatees" plate for instance. It funds a group that is viewed by some here as a vocal anti-boating political organization fronting as an environmental charity, while others see the group as purely dedicated to protecting an endangered species. Who would (or should) get to decide? That's why they leave it open to all.

Why can't we get a "Pro Choice" license plate?  They're obviously not leaving it open to everybody.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
Here is the ultimate "gag me with a spoon" license plate story:

To preface, (IMHO) people who drive a Lexus are made to think they are above everyone else, like they are exempt from using turn signals (most don't).  Even their commercials with the stuffy snobbish spokesmen give that feel. 

Anyhoo, about 8-9 years ago, a local car dealership in Cleveland (Metro Lexus) somehow got the rights to a series of 1,000 "regular issue" Ohio state plates for those who bought Lexuses from them.  Each brand-new Lexus owner would then receive a license plate with XXX-LEX (the x's being numbers).

So these "holier than thou" luxury drivers (IMHO) pretty much got a "vanity" plate with a Metro Lexus plate frame surrounding it. 

From then on, I have always referred to those cars as Lexsuxes.

You would have to be an idiot to buy a Lexus.  All they are is Toyotas with some extra leather and maybe some wood in the interior.  And late model Toyotas are junk.  You're truly paying for that ugly "L" badge.  If you want a luxury car, get a real one like a Benzo or a BMW.  Or if you must have a Japanese luxury car, get an Infiniti which while having no real identity or image of its own, is a superior car to a Lexus.  Or, even better yet, buy a Caddy CTS-V.  Now THAT is a car.  Lincolns used to be nice but now they're just bland gussied up Fords with stupid names that start with "MK."  I have no idea which Lincoln is which.  Back in the day, nobody confused a Continental with a Town Car, but unless you're a Lincoln dealer who knows the difference between an MKS and an MKZ?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 08:48:37 PM
Oklahoma has apparently cancelled the US 66 specialty plate.  I recently switched to Oklahoma tags (after living in the state for nearly 5 years) and I was going to get the US 66 plate but it is no longer listed on the website.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2012, 08:53:15 PM
Why can't we get a "Pro Choice" license plate?  They're obviously not leaving it open to everybody.

because shitty old people vote.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 09:04:53 PM
I like it...as long as it will still be embossed.  If they go print-only, toss it in the bin with all the other ugly plates.  I don't care what anyone else says, print-only ruins a plate no matter how attractive it is otherwise.

The new Oklahoma plates are flat and hideous.  I'll probably end up getting some sort of specialty plate.  Too bad the US 66 plates are apparently not being issued anymore.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 04, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
Here is one I am conflicted on.  West Virginia and Virginia have joined Kentucky in offering plates to members of the "Friends of Coal", and apparently such efforts are pending in other coal states.

Now, personally, I agree with the group's views, but to have such an opennly political organization on a government issued plate seems to open a Pandora's Box to every such group everywhere.

We have "Choose Life" anti-abortion plates here. Also "Family First" and "Family Values" plates that fund anti-gay groups, as well as a few other plates funding Christian groups. But how to does the state differentiate a non-profit political group from any other non-profit? It's not always clear cut. Take our "Save the Manatees" plate for instance. It funds a group that is viewed by some here as a vocal anti-boating political organization fronting as an environmental charity, while others see the group as purely dedicated to protecting an endangered species. Who would (or should) get to decide? That's why they leave it open to all.

Why can't we get a "Pro Choice" license plate?  They're obviously not leaving it open to everybody.

At least in Florida's case, the pro-choice groups (NOW I think it was) couldn't get the requisite 1,000 pre-sales to get the plate issued.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 09:18:05 PM
My most recent spotting was on a trip to Minnesota:  Sovereign Nation / Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe.  Of course, we were at a casino.....

I see Native American tags all the time.  Usually Cherokee or Muscogee Creek but sometimes Pawnee and Osage and other tribes.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 04, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
At least in Florida's case, the pro-choice groups (NOW I think it was) couldn't get the requisite 1,000 pre-sales to get the plate issued.

I have a hard time believing that, especially in a populous state like Florida.  I would get a pro-choice plate, except that I would be concerned that some Fundamentalist Christian would vandalize my car.  Everyone I know who has had Darwin fish on their car has had their car vandalized.  My, how "christian" of them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 04, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
At least in Florida's case, the pro-choice groups (NOW I think it was) couldn't get the requisite 1,000 pre-sales to get the plate issued.

I have a hard time believing that, especially in a populous state like Florida.  I would get a pro-choice plate, except that I would be concerned that some Fundamentalist Christian would vandalize my car.  Everyone I know who has had Darwin fish on their car has had their car vandalized.  My, how "christian" of them.

Liberal causes typically have a harder time getting awareness of their plates since they don't have the benefit of church congregations to help with marketing. Plus, the specialty plate market is mostly saturated. There are plenty of pro-choice people like myself who wouldn't necessarily care enough to switch from one of the many environmental plates.

There are a number of plates for conservative social causes (pro-life, anti-gay-marriage, etc.) already, but none of the Christian/Jesus plates with money going directly to churches have carried either for similar reasons. We do have an "In God We Trust" specialty plate, but funds go to local Police, Fire, EMS, and National Guard rather than a religious organization.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 04, 2012, 10:47:51 PM
(AB-1234, then ABC-123 and finally ABC1234).

how did Colorado manage to exhaust ABC1234?  California has 1ABC234 (same number of combinations) and is still only on 6Vxx or so, despite starting that pattern in the late 70s and having a lot more vehicles.

Did Colorado skip a lot of the available ABC1234 space?
I think the switch in 2000 was because police didn't like the 7-digit plates (no space between the letter and number groups) and because there were different combinations for trucks, trailers, and other types of plates. They were nowhere close to exhausting combinations, but having letter combinations defined by county caused populous counties to run low on available combinations while the eastern plains counties had lots of combinations left. Doing away with the county-specific letter groups and putting all the plates on the same sequence simplified things. Midway through this plate issuance, the state did away with differentiating truck (TRK) registrations, and so pickups get the same plate without a stacked 3-letter code as any passenger vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 05, 2012, 03:56:53 AM
Beginning in 1992, when New Jersey switched to the yellow fade base (Gen I 3M sheeting) a 7 character format was tried.  It began at AAA1000 and ran to ADJ9999.  Issuance was stopped because police agencies complained that they were hard to read.  As with all plates issued by NJ from 1959 on, they are still allowed to be used, as long as the registration never lapsed.  I do admit the 7 character plates are a bit hard to read.  NJ uses a wide die and with no room for a dash, it is tough to make out, especially when the car is in motion.  After the 7 charcacter plates were recalled, the combo returned to where they were left when the blue plates stopped.  Blues ran to HZZ-99Z, so the yellow fade picked up at JAA-10A and ran to ZZZ-99Z, which was reached in 2010.  The format is now reversed to A10-AAA.  It progresses A10-AAA, A11...A99-AAA, B10-AAA...Z99-AAA, then A10-AAB, etc.  (Side note, highest on old series that I've seen was ZZZ-87Z, lowest on new format was A23-AAA)  New Jersey never issues leading D plates, they're reserved for dealer plates, leading O is for livery types, leading X plates are reserved for commercial, leading Q is for historic, T seems to be reserved for Transportation Dept (TD prefix, captioned State Govt) and Turnpike Authority plates (TPA prefix).  I and O and haven't been issued in any position for passenger types since the 1960s, as they can be too easily confused with ones and zeros.  Q was never used in any position except for historic and vanities.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 05, 2012, 08:20:02 AM
You would have to be an idiot to buy a Lexus.  All they are is Toyotas with some extra leather and maybe some wood in the interior.  And late model Toyotas are junk.  You're truly paying for that ugly "L" badge.  If you want a luxury car, get a real one like a Benzo or a BMW.  Or if you must have a Japanese luxury car, get an Infiniti which while having no real identity or image of its own, is a superior car to a Lexus.  Or, even better yet, buy a Caddy CTS-V.  Now THAT is a car.  Lincolns used to be nice but now they're just bland gussied up Fords with stupid names that start with "MK."  I have no idea which Lincoln is which.  Back in the day, nobody confused a Continental with a Town Car, but unless you're a Lincoln dealer who knows the difference between an MKS and an MKZ?

Saying that Lexus is just Toyota with leather is like saying Audi is just VW with leather or that Infiniti is just Nissan with leather. They may come from the same company but they're distinct models. I have a few friends who drive late 2010's IS and ES-350's. They're not as fast as my Infiniti, but they're much more "luxury" on the inside. Performance was more important to me so I went with Infiniti.

I'll agree that BMW and Mercedes are nice, but they run around $10k more than an Infiniti for comparable cars. In practical terms, I would have had to buy an older car since I was buying used.

I agree completely about the awesomeness of the CTS-V and the crappiness of anything from Lincoln. I've never ridden in a CTS-V, but the CTS is a very nice car. The Lincolns are nice on paper, but the interiors feel really cheap. I had the same experience with a Saab 9-3 turbo I had as a rental. It was a blast to drive, but the interior was already falling apart by 3,000 miles.

The Hyundai Genesis is another surprisingly nice entry level luxury car. Who would have thought that Hyundai would eventually start making nice cars?

(Sorry for continuing the OT discussion, I can't resist a car thread!)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on April 05, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
At least in Florida's case, the pro-choice groups (NOW I think it was) couldn't get the requisite 1,000 pre-sales to get the plate issued.

I have a hard time believing that, especially in a populous state like Florida.  I would get a pro-choice plate, except that I would be concerned that some Fundamentalist Christian would vandalize my car.  Everyone I know who has had Darwin fish on their car has had their car vandalized.  My, how "christian" of them.

Liberal causes typically have a harder time getting awareness of their plates since they don't have the benefit of church congregations to help with marketing. Plus, the specialty plate market is mostly saturated. There are plenty of pro-choice people like myself who wouldn't necessarily care enough to switch from one of the many environmental plates.

There are a number of plates for conservative social causes (pro-life, anti-gay-marriage, etc.) already, but none of the Christian/Jesus plates with money going directly to churches have carried either for similar reasons. We do have an "In God We Trust" specialty plate, but funds go to local Police, Fire, EMS, and National Guard rather than a religious organization.

Indiana's "In God We Trust" plates are viewed as standard plates as opposed to specialty plates. Along with the standard blue plate and the white truck plate, one only has to pay the regular fee for the IGWT plates as if it were standard, which has caused the main controversy with the plates, after all you DON'T have to get one. As for speciality plates themselves, some Republican lawmakers in Indiana's General Assembly this year tried to pass a law to curb the number of speciality plates after, supposedly, the Indiana Youth Group, a youth group that benefits gay/lesbian youths who are bullied for being gay/lesbian, got their plate approved. The bill didn't pass, but they were able to get the plate taken off the BMV becuase they didn't make the requisite number of plates, supposedly. Of course, I see some "Choose life" plates around. I don't personally care what plate gets included or not, but if they are going to play this game, they might as well have the first question on the application for the speciality plates be: Will Jesus (or my version) approve of this plate? If the answer is no, you might as well skip the rest of the application.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 05, 2012, 12:56:52 PM
Indiana's "In God We Trust" plates are viewed as standard plates as opposed to specialty plates. Along with the standard blue plate and the white truck plate, one only has to pay the regular fee for the IGWT plates as if it were standard, which has caused the main controversy with the plates, after all you DON'T have to get one. As for speciality plates themselves, some Republican lawmakers in Indiana's General Assembly this year tried to pass a law to curb the number of speciality plates after, supposedly, the Indiana Youth Group, a youth group that benefits gay/lesbian youths who are bullied for being gay/lesbian, got their plate approved. The bill didn't pass, but they were able to get the plate taken off the BMV becuase they didn't make the requisite number of plates, supposedly. Of course, I see some "Choose life" plates around. I don't personally care what plate gets included or not, but if they are going to play this game, they might as well have the first question on the application for the speciality plates be: Will Jesus (or my version) approve of this plate? If the answer is no, you might as well skip the rest of the application.

We have two types of In God We Trust plates, actually. One is a standard Florida plate (no fee) with IGWT in place of the county name, the other is a specialty plate that looks a lot like the Indiana one that helps fund emergency services.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 05, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
At least in Florida's case, the pro-choice groups (NOW I think it was) couldn't get the requisite 1,000 pre-sales to get the plate issued.

I have a hard time believing that, especially in a populous state like Florida.  I would get a pro-choice plate, except that I would be concerned that some Fundamentalist Christian would vandalize my car.  Everyone I know who has had Darwin fish on their car has had their car vandalized.  My, how "christian" of them.

FWIW, Christians aren't the only ones who are not pro-choice.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 05, 2012, 03:36:47 PM

FWIW, Christians aren't the only ones who are not pro-choice.

no, but you generally don't see the atheists, Jews, Rastafarians, Wiccans and Jedi making asses of themselves in front of the local Planned Parenthood.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 05, 2012, 03:43:15 PM
I've had my car keyed, and it has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  What group should I smear in the dirt for that?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 05, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
I've had my car keyed, and it has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  What group should I smear in the dirt for that?

I'm sure the Westboro Baptist Church would be happy to step up.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 05, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
I've had my car keyed, and it has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  What group should I smear in the dirt for that?

Scientologists. They're always a good backup choice if you can't find another group to blame for something.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on April 05, 2012, 11:38:34 PM
Wisconsin decided to add one more to their menu:
(http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/50_50/188_82/womanvetplate.jpg)
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http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/opencms/export/nr/modules/news/news_3256.html_786229440.html (http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/opencms/export/nr/modules/news/news_3256.html_786229440.html)
April 5, 2012

New plates available to women who served in any of the U.S. military branches

Wisconsin women who have served in any branch of the U.S. military are eligible to apply for one of the new “Woman Veteran” license plates available through the state Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV). All currently-issued Wisconsin military plates feature blue numbers on a red, white and blue background. Along with the word “Wisconsin” across the top of the plate, the new plates feature “Woman Veteran” at the bottom. A decal representing the person’s specific military branch is displayed on the left side of the plate. See the new plate here.

"We have declared 2012 to be the Year of the Veteran in Wisconsin to show our respect and appreciation for the contributions of our military veterans," said Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch. "Wisconsin's servicewomen have made our country stronger through their military service and we wish to commemorate their courage and thank them for defending our freedoms."

With addition of the Woman Veteran plate, the Wisconsin DMV now offers 56 different military plate options for veterans and recipients of certain military medals and honors. Military plates are available to active, reserve or retired U.S. military personnel, military academy students or alumni who submit proof of eligibility.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mightyace on April 06, 2012, 12:41:11 AM

FWIW, Christians aren't the only ones who are not pro-choice.

no, but you generally don't see the atheists, Jews, Rastafarians, Wiccans and Jedi making asses of themselves in front of the local Planned Parenthood.

Yes, we WASPS are responsible for everything that is wrong in the world today!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 06, 2012, 11:39:29 AM
Yes, we WASPS are responsible for everything that is wrong in the world today!

nothing wrong with them...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CvAgMMGRTbE/TEUg8KR5mFI/AAAAAAAAAYU/S_UVCWEHKQg/s1600/front.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
Found this on licenseplates.cc (http://licenseplates.cc/) about the mandate for all specialty NC plates to use a white base.

Solution in search of a problem (http://www.thetimesnews.com/articles/problem-53403-search-solution.html)
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Using the often-questionable wisdom of government, the North Carolina Legislature put the kybosh on those colorful license plates so many Tar Heels sport on their vehicles. You know, the ones that proclaim a vehicle owner’s fancy of the Blue Ridge Parkway, Great Smokey Mountains National Park and other beauty spots around this God-blessed state.

Lawmakers say the color must go so that all specialty tags come from common stock — the plain white variety which shows a driver’s pride in a college or university, loyalty to a branch of the military, membership in a civic club and the like.

There must have been a good reason for lawmakers to do what they did, right?

Well, no.

The law mandating the change from multi-color to all-white background says that by 2015, all license plates must be easily read by toll-road cameras.

But Barry Mickle, operations director of the state’s turnpike authority, says colorful plates aren’t a problem because technology has quickly advanced to the point that cameras on the first N.C. toll road read the specialty plates just fine.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 06, 2012, 03:10:41 PM
(AB-1234, then ABC-123 and finally ABC1234).

how did Colorado manage to exhaust ABC1234?  California has 1ABC234 (same number of combinations) and is still only on 6Vxx or so, despite starting that pattern in the late 70s and having a lot more vehicles.

Did Colorado skip a lot of the available ABC1234 space?

Actually, Colorado has only used the ABC 123 format for it's standard-issue plates.  Actually, its currently 123 ABC, (it was the other way around for the green mountains/white sky plates) and it's true that we are nearing the end of the xxx-Wxx plates.  I was tempted in the past few months to post on what the state planned to do in the next few years.  Thankx for the info.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on April 08, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
Saying that Lexus is just Toyota with leather is like saying Audi is just VW with leather or that Infiniti is just Nissan with leather. They may come from the same company but they're distinct models.

VW and Audi are separate worldwide.  As for the Japanese brand splits, they are distinct models here in North America.  In the rest of the world, not so much.

For instance, the first-generation Lexus IS300; it was the Toyota Altezza outside NorAm. (Where do you think the term 'Altezza Taillights' came from?).  The Lexus SC?  Toyota Soarer outside NorAm.  The Acura Integra/RSX?  Honda Integra outside NorAm.  Acura TSX?  Honda Accord outside NorAm.  I could keep going, but I'm tired.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on April 08, 2012, 11:11:25 PM
VW and Audi are separate worldwide.

Marketed separately, yes, but there are several VWs and Audis which share common engines, transmissions and other components, and they share a common parts system.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on April 08, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
You would have to be an idiot to buy a Lexus.  All they are is Toyotas with some extra leather and maybe some wood in the interior.  And late model Toyotas are junk.  You're truly paying for that ugly "L" badge.  If you want a luxury car, get a real one like a Benzo or a BMW.  Or if you must have a Japanese luxury car, get an Infiniti which while having no real identity or image of its own, is a superior car to a Lexus.  Or, even better yet, buy a Caddy CTS-V.  Now THAT is a car.  Lincolns used to be nice but now they're just bland gussied up Fords with stupid names that start with "MK."  I have no idea which Lincoln is which.  Back in the day, nobody confused a Continental with a Town Car, but unless you're a Lincoln dealer who knows the difference between an MKS and an MKZ?

Saying that Lexus is just Toyota with leather is like saying Audi is just VW with leather or that Infiniti is just Nissan with leather. They may come from the same company but they're distinct models. I have a few friends who drive late 2010's IS and ES-350's. They're not as fast as my Infiniti, but they're much more "luxury" on the inside. Performance was more important to me so I went with Infiniti.

The Infiniti is just a gussied-up Nissan.  I believe there are one or two unique models, but most of them are just luxury Nissans.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on April 08, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
A few more:

North American Honda Accord -  Japanese Honda Inspire (this name was also used for the first and second generations of the Acura TL); the 1998-2002 version had a Japanese variant called the Torneo as well
Honda Del Sol - Honda CRX Del Sol/Honda CRX
Acura RL - Honda Legend
Infiniti G35/G37 - Nissan Skyline (the GT-R is its own model now worldwide)
Scion FR-S - Toyota 86?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on April 09, 2012, 09:22:14 AM
VW and Audi are separate worldwide.  As for the Japanese brand splits, they are distinct models here in North America.  In the rest of the world, not so much.

For instance, the first-generation Lexus IS300; it was the Toyota Altezza outside NorAm. (Where do you think the term 'Altezza Taillights' came from?).  The Lexus SC?  Toyota Soarer outside NorAm.  The Acura Integra/RSX?  Honda Integra outside NorAm.  Acura TSX?  Honda Accord outside NorAm.  I could keep going, but I'm tired.

Inifiniti is Nissan's luxury brand in pretty much every country in the world except Japan itself. Lexus is worldwide, recently including Japan itself.

As for VW and Audi, they're marketed separately but they're just as much the same company as Toyota and Lexus, or Nissan and Infiniti. Take their SUV lineup for example. The VW Touareg, the Audi Q7, and the Porsche Cayenne are essentially the same car just with varying feature sets.

The Infiniti is just a gussied-up Nissan.  I believe there are one or two unique models, but most of them are just luxury Nissans.

They're not gussied up Nissan's; they're all distinct models. It's not like they put leather into a Altima and call it an Infiniti. The G's are all sold as Nissan Skylines in Japan. The M's are sold as Nissan Fuga in Japan. The FX and QX aren't sold in Japan at all. They take what would be the more expensive models in Japan and sell them under the luxury brand in the rest of the world. The features are pretty much the same in both markets, the only difference is the name. The fact that they're sold as a Nissan in Japan doesn't make it any less nice of a car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 09, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
Earlier this morning, I heard on the radio that California is proposing a spay and neuter plate. It's a pretty nice design in my opinion. It currently has about 4,000 preorders of the required 7,500 to be issued.

Here's (http://www.caspayplate.com/main.php) the website for the plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on April 09, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Earlier this morning, I heard on the radio that California is proposing a spay and neuter plate. It's a pretty nice design in my opinion. It currently has about 4,000 preorders of the required 7,500 to be issued.

Here's (http://www.caspayplate.com/main.php) the website for the plate.


Something tells me Bob Barker was involved in this.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on April 09, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
Here is the ultimate "gag me with a spoon" license plate story:

To preface, (IMHO) people who drive a Lexus are made to think they are above everyone else, like they are exempt from using turn signals (most don't).  Even their commercials with the stuffy snobbish spokesmen give that feel. 

Anyhoo, about 8-9 years ago, a local car dealership in Cleveland (Metro Lexus) somehow got the rights to a series of 1,000 "regular issue" Ohio state plates for those who bought Lexuses from them.  Each brand-new Lexus owner would then receive a license plate with XXX-LEX (the x's being numbers).

So these "holier than thou" luxury drivers (IMHO) pretty much got a "vanity" plate with a Metro Lexus plate frame surrounding it. 

From then on, I have always referred to those cars as Lexsuxes.

You would have to be an idiot to buy a Lexus.  All they are is Toyotas with some extra leather and maybe some wood in the interior.  And late model Toyotas are junk.  You're truly paying for that ugly "L" badge.  If you want a luxury car, get a real one like a Benzo or a BMW.  Or if you must have a Japanese luxury car, get an Infiniti which while having no real identity or image of its own, is a superior car to a Lexus.  Or, even better yet, buy a Caddy CTS-V.  Now THAT is a car.  Lincolns used to be nice but now they're just bland gussied up Fords with stupid names that start with "MK."  I have no idea which Lincoln is which.  Back in the day, nobody confused a Continental with a Town Car, but unless you're a Lincoln dealer who knows the difference between an MKS and an MKZ?

Try working with Lexus customers. They're either happily wealthy or downright miserable bunch of wanna-be-snobs or old folks who wanted to save some money on a luxury car. But it isn't just a Toyota in frock; there's very few shared parts between a Camry and an ES 350, and even when equipped with the same motor, they sure as heck don't handle nor respond the same.

When it's all said and done, the fact is Toyota did their homework and understood the typical American luxury car buyer didn't want a stuffy Cadillac or a Mercedes that leaked oil and wallets regularly, and priced it less than both of them. Worked like a charm, and then they sat on their laurels for 10 years and forgot that BMW, Audi, and Infiniti existed (to be fair, until around 1995 or so, their total luxury share of the sales market was tiny), but catered to their customer base instead of refining their products to a younger audience. They're clawing it back a little at a time.

Their customers will pay for anything that sets themselves apart; that license plate thing doesn't shock me one bit. Their dealers will do whatever it takes to keep them as customers, too. And the dealerships and service departments are simply the best, bar none. I go to dealers of all brands, and they make the customer feel like a guest in their own home...of course, that doesn't stop some customers from thinking it's their home, and the manager ought to be kicked out for charging them for new tires on a car under warranty.

Their cars are built to last; some have issues (IS 250 valve jobs, come on down!), but you won't find as many long-lasting examples (10-20 years old) still coming back to the dealerships, rather than the independents. I used to have a ten-year-old example that had nary a rattle nor a drop of oil leak from it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 10, 2012, 03:06:03 PM
Wisconsin decided to add one more to their menu:
(http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/50_50/188_82/womanvetplate.jpg)
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http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/opencms/export/nr/modules/news/news_3256.html_786229440.html (http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/opencms/export/nr/modules/news/news_3256.html_786229440.html)
April 5, 2012

New plates available to women who served in any of the U.S. military branches

Wisconsin women who have served in any branch of the U.S. military are eligible to apply for one of the new “Woman Veteran” license plates available through the state Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV). All currently-issued Wisconsin military plates feature blue numbers on a red, white and blue background. Along with the word “Wisconsin” across the top of the plate, the new plates feature “Woman Veteran” at the bottom. A decal representing the person’s specific military branch is displayed on the left side of the plate. See the new plate here.

"We have declared 2012 to be the Year of the Veteran in Wisconsin to show our respect and appreciation for the contributions of our military veterans," said Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch. "Wisconsin's servicewomen have made our country stronger through their military service and we wish to commemorate their courage and thank them for defending our freedoms."

With addition of the Woman Veteran plate, the Wisconsin DMV now offers 56 different military plate options for veterans and recipients of certain military medals and honors. Military plates are available to active, reserve or retired U.S. military personnel, military academy students or alumni who submit proof of eligibility.

Do they also have one for MAN VETERAN?  If not, I cry sexist!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 10, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
do they have one without shitty italicized Helvetica narrow?  if not, I cry poor font selection.

a bit better than that California dial-a-font, but not by much.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on April 10, 2012, 10:27:16 PM
Do they also have one for MAN VETERAN?  If not, I cry sexist!

That was actually one of the first comments when the story was posted on a local newspaper site.  All of the existing military plates just say _______ VETERAN (fill in the blank with your favorite military branch).  Apparently, the thought was that everyone assumed the other plates only referred to male veterans, so women needed to have something special.  I disagree. Instead, they've just opened a HUGE can of worms...every group will want to have their own recognition now.  IMO, it should have remained generic.

do they have one without shitty italicized Helvetica narrow?  if not, I cry poor font selection.

a bit better than that California dial-a-font, but not by much.

With the exception of the embossed letters/numbers being their own font (the ones on the WI DMV site are inexact renderings), all of the typical special plates use variations of Helvetica (or is it a version of Arial?).  You have to go to the municipal, official, state-owned, or tribal plates to find something different. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on May 01, 2012, 02:09:25 AM
Marketed separately, yes, but there are several VWs and Audis which share common engines, transmissions and other components, and they share a common parts system.

I meant that they are separate brand-badges worldwide.  I know they are both part of VAG and share many, many parts and even chassis.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on May 01, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
MassDOT announced last week a special plate for vehicles with high-voltage electrics (electric cars and hybrids)...only the second state in the US to do so.

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/evr/forms/ElecVehPlates.pdf
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 01, 2012, 12:10:30 PM
MassDOT announced last week a special plate for vehicles with high-voltage electrics (electric cars and hybrids)...only the second state in the US to do so.

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/evr/forms/ElecVehPlates.pdf

MassDOT announced last week a special document format for people without browsers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on May 01, 2012, 02:30:09 PM
MassDOT announced last week a special plate for vehicles with high-voltage electrics (electric cars and hybrids)...only the second state in the US to do so.

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/evr/forms/ElecVehPlates.pdf

MassDOT announced last week a special document format for people without browsers.

I'd be lying if I said I understood that.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 01, 2012, 02:32:02 PM


I'd be lying if I said I understood that.

PDF.  online material should never, ever be disseminated in PDF.

even printable documents are fairly questionable these days, given how good HTML/CSS is for alternating between optimization for screen reading and for print.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on May 01, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
PDF.  online material should never, ever be disseminated in PDF.

Care to explain that?

At least MassDOT didn't disseminate this document in its original format...Word.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on May 01, 2012, 02:48:12 PM


I'd be lying if I said I understood that.

PDF.  online material should never, ever be disseminated in PDF.

even printable documents are fairly questionable these days, given how good HTML/CSS is for alternating between optimization for screen reading and for print.

Sure, HTML/CSS is great if you're a web designer. For someone posting information originally stored in a Word document, PDF is way better than doing Microsoft's crappy "Save as HTML" option in Word, and it's much better than posting a Word document itself.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 01, 2012, 03:46:15 PM

Sure, HTML/CSS is great if you're a web designer. For someone posting information originally stored in a Word document, PDF is way better than doing Microsoft's crappy "Save as HTML" option in Word, and it's much better than posting a Word document itself.


"Save as HTML" does suck because it fills the document with bloat, but it is still better than PDF, which fills the web browser experience with bloat.

the connection between browser and Adobe Acrobat is irrevocably broken.  we need an innate PDF parser.  Gmail has one, implying it is not impossible to design.   why doesn't the firefox dev team come up with an inline PDF reader?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on May 01, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
Go look up Foxit. Much better than Acrobat Reader.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 01, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Go look up Foxit. Much better than Acrobat Reader.

I had used it on a previous computer but I recall it still seizing up occasionally, and not significantly improving on the clumsy and extremely seamful interface inside the browser.

Flash is somewhat more seamless but it, too, has strange focus issues that jar the browser experience.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on May 01, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
I asked around at work and some other free ones my coworkers use are:
PDF-Xchange
Sumatra

And for what it's worth, the newest latest-and-greatest version of Reader is faster than the previous one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on May 01, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
My phone has a pretty good PDF reader (QuickOffice PDF) but it requires downloading the file first.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on May 04, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
(http://naturesrewardblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/california-license-plate-34.jpg)
The California DMV has accepted this new agriculture plate that has recently surpassed the required 7,500 applications. It is due to be released next year.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: MrDisco99 on May 04, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
the connection between browser and Adobe Acrobat is irrevocably broken.  we need an innate PDF parser.  Gmail has one, implying it is not impossible to design.   why doesn't the firefox dev team come up with an inline PDF reader?

I'm surprised to hear this is still a problem among Windows users.  Apple's Safari browser has had built-in PDF support for as long as I can remember using it.


On topic: I think the new MassDOT electric vehicle plates look like they spent about 2 minutes on design.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on May 04, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
When anything surpasses the utter blandness of a Nebraska truck plate let me know.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on May 05, 2012, 12:28:43 AM
On Linux, Firefox will give me the typical "Open File/Save As" selector box, and if I select Open File, it opens in Okular, which is pretty great, but Linux-only AFAIK.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Central Avenue on May 05, 2012, 01:10:35 AM
I'm surprised to hear this is still a problem among Windows users.  Apple's Safari browser has had built-in PDF support for as long as I can remember using it.

Google Chrome (which I use on Linux) has had a built-in PDF support for a few versions now, which seems to work rather well.

On Windows I prefer to use Firefox, but even there I don't bother with Adobe's nonsense; I use SumatraPDF which displays PDF files just as well but without the bloat, and includes a browser plugin.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 05, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
When anything surpasses the utter blandness of a Nebraska truck plate let me know.

They may be bland, but I can instantly recognize them on the road.  For that reason, I say keep them as they are (except, aren't they flat-plate now?  OK, go back to stamping).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: brownpelican on May 05, 2012, 03:29:31 PM
I hate how Mississippi can allow you to get a specialty plate featuring an out-of-state college/university (I've seen several LSU  and Alabama plates), but Louisiana won't allow the same. I'd love to get a LA plate featuring JSU.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on May 05, 2012, 09:57:18 PM
Little ol' Pittsburg State becomes the first Kansas college to get a specialty plate in Missouri:

(http://www.pittstate.edu/audiences/alumni-friends/images/alumni-plates-banner.png)

(IMO, Missouri's plates are a bit better looking.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on May 05, 2012, 10:53:22 PM
I think the new MassDOT electric vehicle plates look like they spent about 2 minutes on design.

Not surprising, since there's no extra cost for them except the one-time $20 plate exchange fee.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on May 06, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
Little ol' Pittsburg State becomes the first Kansas college to get a specialty plate in Missouri:

(http://www.pittstate.edu/audiences/alumni-friends/images/alumni-plates-banner.png)

(IMO, Missouri's plates are a bit better looking.)

Not surprising, since Pittsburg's, what, ten miles from the MO line?

And the MO tag is a little better, mostly because the gorilla logo nearly crashes into the bottom of "KANSAS"
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on May 07, 2012, 04:09:04 AM
Little ol' Pittsburg State becomes the first Kansas college to get a specialty plate in Missouri:

(http://www.pittstate.edu/audiences/alumni-friends/images/alumni-plates-banner.png)

(IMO, Missouri's plates are a bit better looking.)

Not surprising, since Pittsburg's, what, ten miles from the MO line?

And the MO tag is a little better, mostly because the gorilla logo nearly crashes into the bottom of "KANSAS"

That Pitt State has its plate first is mildly surprising in that Kansas City has a fairly strong KU alumni base. Some feel it's stronger than Mizzou's. (And it's actually just four miles via K-126).

Also, the colors in the Kansas tag are the official school colors, crimson and gold, while the Missouri tag and the ad itself are in the colors the athletic teams use, red and "athletic gold" (which most people call yellow). There was a point where the women's basketball coach was going to go back to the darker colors but changed his mind when none of the other teams wanted to do so.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on May 07, 2012, 04:57:18 PM
This is sort of off-topic, but I was curious as to who here prefers the aesthetics of the EU license plates, which are fairly standardized and wider than they are tall.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 07, 2012, 06:52:03 PM
I do like the European size.  But my favorite, as far as dimensions go, is Chile.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on May 08, 2012, 12:38:31 AM
This is sort of off-topic, but I was curious as to who here prefers the aesthetics of the EU license plates, which are fairly standardized and wider than they are tall.

Me.  Simple and to the point, generally embossed, with no graphic bullshit.

And the front end of my car is designed with it in mind.  Plates with US dimensions make the car look buck-toothed.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on May 08, 2012, 01:10:28 AM
Simple and to the point, generally embossed, with no graphic bullshit.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Although it would eliminate a revenue stream from the DMV.  I'd be okay with the current US size, just eliminate the unnecessary graphics.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on May 08, 2012, 06:41:15 AM
The only people I find that want Euro plates are people that think owning a 4 year old BMW is a "lifestyle".  If these were generally available, they would have no interest.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on May 08, 2012, 11:34:07 PM
Simple and to the point, generally embossed, with no graphic bullshit.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Although it would eliminate a revenue stream from the DMV.  I'd be okay with the current US size, just eliminate the unnecessary graphics.

What revenue stream? Europeans pay registration fees just like we do.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on May 08, 2012, 11:42:55 PM
Simple and to the point, generally embossed, with no graphic bullshit.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Although it would eliminate a revenue stream from the DMV.  I'd be okay with the current US size, just eliminate the unnecessary graphics.

What revenue stream? Europeans pay registration fees just like we do.

I was referring to the dozens upon dozens of specialty plates most/all US DOT's have that carry additional "donations"/fees over and above the standard registration fee.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:09:10 AM
I wish Illinois would do a retro re-issue.  I know they still have the capability to make a plate that looks JUST like the old ones, completely embossed and all, because of the current dealer plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 09, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Simple and to the point, generally embossed, with no graphic bullshit.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Although it would eliminate a revenue stream from the DMV.  I'd be okay with the current US size, just eliminate the unnecessary graphics.

What revenue stream? Europeans pay registration fees just like we do.

I was referring to the dozens upon dozens of specialty plates most/all US DOT's have that carry additional "donations"/fees over and above the standard registration fee.

Our van has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  (http://www.midwestcanceralliance.org/images/driventocure.gif)

We've had it for two years, parly because breast cancer runs in my wife's family, and partly because I think the current issue Kansas plates are ugly.

To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 09, 2012, 11:40:24 AM

Our van has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  (http://www.midwestcanceralliance.org/images/driventocure.gif)

which one is the current standard KS issue?  the one with the capitol building and wheat, or the one with the globe?  I like those both better than that cancer awareness plate.  that one just looks like it was hastily thrown together by an intern.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on May 09, 2012, 12:23:17 PM
which one is the current standard KS issue?  the one with the capitol building and wheat, or the one with the globe?  I like those both better than that cancer awareness plate.  that one just looks like it was hastily thrown together by an intern.

The blue/white plate with the official state seal is the current issue: http://licenseplates.cc/story.php?id=292

Also:

Georgia 2012 general issue begins (http://licenseplates.cc/news/Georgia-2012-general-issue-begins)

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Georgia's new multicolored plate is available as of today, at tag offices around the state.

The plates are flat, produced with 3M's Digital License Plate technology.

Existing plates issued prior to December 1, 2003, will be replaced on renewal or transfer.

Plates issued after December 1, 2003 will be replaced starting next year.

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Those wishing a more reserved appearance may opt for a plain white plate with “GEORGIA” centered at the top and a peach centered in the background.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on May 09, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
Yuck!  I do not like that new Georgia plate at all.  It already had a strike against it for being flat, but beyond that it's far too busy.  If I lived in GA I'd definitely opt for the plain plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 09, 2012, 05:00:05 PM

Our van has a breast cancer awareness license plate.  (http://www.midwestcanceralliance.org/images/driventocure.gif)

which one is the current standard KS issue?  the one with the capitol building and wheat, or the one with the globe?  I like those both better than that cancer awareness plate.  that one just looks like it was hastily thrown together by an intern.

What people around here sometimes refer to as the Flying Saucer Plate.  Ugly color for a plate, whatever you call that greyish blue.  I agree that the pink ribbon one isn't very pretty either, but at least it has some real color on it.  I miss the wheat plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 09, 2012, 05:01:30 PM
What people around here sometimes refer to as the Flying Saucer Plate.  Ugly color for a plate, whatever you call that greyish blue.  I agree that the pink ribbon one isn't very pretty either, but at least it has some real color on it.  I miss the wheat plates.

looks like it has too much color.  process magenta isn't very attractive in my opinion.  I use pure magenta (RGB 255 0 255) in my sign designs that I send to have manufactured as the backing to be cut away (shield shape, mounting hole, etc) because so far I've never had a sign that used process magenta as an actual print color.  blech!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on May 09, 2012, 07:02:27 PM
I have no problem with the current dimensions of American plates; it's what I've always known. And, I like plates with a distinctive design that doesn't obscure the number - Minnesota's and Colorado's standard designs are fine with me. While I prefer embossed, I can stomach a flat process plate as long as the font isn't that ugly generic 3M typeface. Some designs are way too busy though, such as the current and previous Texas designs that appear to try to fit as many elements into the design as possible (space shuttle! cowboy! western mountains!). Of New Mexico's plates, I prefer the older (but still issued, I think) red on yellow with the yucca. I don't care for the balloon plate as much because the numbers and letters are squeezed together, and the yellow on turquoise centennial plate isn't as readable.

I do not like black on white plates with little or nothing to provide a distinctive image for the state.

Side question: why issue an anniversary plate (centennial, sesquicentennial) in states where vehicles are issued essentially permanent plates? People are still driving around with California's 150 year anniversary on their plates 12 years after the event.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on May 09, 2012, 07:49:10 PM
I was referring to the dozens upon dozens of specialty plates most/all US DOT's have that carry additional "donations"/fees over and above the standard registration fee.

At least in Florida, 100% of those donations go to the sponsoring organization. The state charges a $5 service fee for printing/handling the separate plate. It seems fair to me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on May 09, 2012, 07:52:41 PM
Side question: why issue an anniversary plate (centennial, sesquicentennial) in states where vehicles are issued essentially permanent plates? People are still driving around with California's 150 year anniversary on their plates 12 years after the event.

Because if they operate like states such as Wisconsin, you have to place a formal request in order to receive new plates.  As part of a cost-saving measure, replacing faded or damaged plates is the responsibility of the vehicle owner.  There are plenty of Wisconsin Sesquicentennial plates still gracing the highways nearly 14 years later.   The Wisconsin DMV even put out a formal request a few months back for people with badly faded sesquicentennial plates to request replacement plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on May 09, 2012, 09:52:11 PM
*Incoming review from a license plate enthusiast*

In my opinion, the new Georgia plate don't seem really bad. It's actually pretty good. The fact that it's flat isn't that bad (I'm not a hater of flat plates). At least it's not in the generic 3M font (ex: Indiana, Texas) but instead uses the font that AL, MN, OK, SC, SD, and TN use. The design on the actual plate is better than the art we've had for the past year. I really like the colors on it. Also, one thing: the website is not there anymore.

As for the alternate version, it's just like the design that preceded this plate. Except with no website. I guess people with huge trucks would rather choose this plate as, I have read in some other forum, the graphic base would look "girly" on those trucks.

As for the serial, I'm not sure as to why Georgia decided to skip to the P series of plates than to continue on with the C plates that ended the old plate. I understand that the font for the flat plates are rather large, leaving no space in the serial. Just look at Arizona for an example.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on May 11, 2012, 02:53:37 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on May 11, 2012, 07:52:35 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on May 11, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

It is possible but you'd be fooling yourself if you said more than a tiny percentage of breast cancers are in men.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: elsmere241 on May 11, 2012, 10:12:03 AM

Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

What about Brian Piccolo?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on May 11, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

It is possible but you'd be fooling yourself if you said more than a tiny percentage of breast cancers are in men.

If you re-read my comment, you'll notice I did not say that!



Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

What about Brian Piccolo?

I'm not sure I know who that is (or was).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 11, 2012, 11:20:04 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind.  

The breast cancer plate is a partnership between the University of Kansas endowment and the DMV.  As I said, the extra money goes to KU research, not the DMV.  So, I guess the question is this:  Is there a KU endowment for prostate cancer, and, if so, have they asked to partner with the DMV?  If not, then that would be why.

I think it would be totally awesome if the license plate said BOOBIES! at the bottom.  And, for colon cancer, well.....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on May 11, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
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Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

It is possible but you'd be fooling yourself if you said more than a tiny percentage of breast cancers are in men.
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My state actually got sued over that.  We had a "non-income based" program (you got the benefit even if you made a million $$ a second and had health insurance) for breast cancer victims.    But the state would not serve this guy who had breast cancer.  He sued and won for sex discrimination.   IMHO, that was a right decision.

The figures are that 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer, 1 in 1000 men.    1 in 30 women will get cervical cancer, 1 in 6 men will get prostate cancer, if you wondering.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on May 12, 2012, 03:05:58 AM
To get one, we donated some money to KU cancer research, then showed our receipt at the DMV.  KU got the extra money, the DMV got our normal registration fee.

Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

It is possible but you'd be fooling yourself if you said more than a tiny percentage of breast cancers are in men.

If you re-read my comment, you'll notice I did not say that!



Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

What about Brian Piccolo?

I'm not sure I know who that is (or was).

Running back for the Chicago Bears. Died of cancer in his prime. A movie was made about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Piccolo
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on May 12, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
My state actually got sued over that.  We had a "non-income based" program (you got the benefit even if you made a million $$ a second and had health insurance) for breast cancer victims.    But the state would not serve this guy who had breast cancer.  He sued and won for sex discrimination.   IMHO, that was a right decision.

Yes, it was a no-brainer decision.  The fact that this guy had to go to court to get his benefits is more evidence that the whole Komen charity ad the anti-breast cancer movement is sexist.

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The figures are that 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer, 1 in 1000 men.    1 in 30 women will get cervical cancer, 1 in 6 men will get prostate cancer, if you wondering.

If you live to 80, you have something like a 90% chance of having an enlarged prostate.  Not everyone with an enlarged prostate gets cancer, but a significant number of them do.  Prostate cancer is something that hits close to home for me, and that's why I mentioned it in the first place.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: oscar on May 12, 2012, 09:36:06 PM
Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

But breast cancer strikes the young much more often than does prostate cancer.  So when the cancer is fatal, on average breast cancer shortens lifespans more than prostate cancer.

Also, American culture obsesses more about breasts (especially female ones) than prostates.  And the breast cancer fundraisers are much better for guys to hang out with attractive women. :)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bugo on May 12, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

But breast cancer strikes the young much more often than does prostate cancer.  So when the cancer is fatal, on average breast cancer shortens lifespans more than prostate cancer.

I'm in my late 30s and I have been diagnosed with an enlarged prostate.  I don't know whether I have cancer or not, and I don't have insurance and can't afford a doctor.  I did have insurance when I went to the ER but I had just been laid off and now my insurance is gone.  What a great medical system we have in America.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on May 13, 2012, 04:12:50 AM
Why isn't there a prostate cancer plate?  The obsession with breast cancer is sexist.  All cancer needs to be cured, not just one kind. 

But breast cancer strikes the young much more often than does prostate cancer.  So when the cancer is fatal, on average breast cancer shortens lifespans more than prostate cancer.

I'm in my late 30s and I have been diagnosed with an enlarged prostate.  I don't know whether I have cancer or not, and I don't have insurance and can't afford a doctor.  I did have insurance when I went to the ER but I had just been laid off and now my insurance is gone.  What a great medical system we have in America.

My company's insurance is one of those stoopid HRAs. The first $500 of expenses each year is 100-percent paid for, which sounds great. But then the next $2,000 is entirely on me. And since I never spend that much, it basically means I have health insurance for about three months a year. After that, that $250 vial of Symbicort has to go on a credit card. I pay $84 a month to, for all practical purposes, not have insurance for nine months every year. So even if you're on insurance, you might not be on insurance.

I might as well save the $2,184 a year and use it to pay off the credit cards I put my medicine on.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on June 01, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
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Men can and do get breast cancer as well. Rod Roddy (the guy who used to say "come on down" on The Price Is Right) is probably the best-known male victim.

It is possible but you'd be fooling yourself if you said more than a tiny percentage of breast cancers are in men.

My state actually got sued over that.  We had a "non-income based" program (you got the benefit even if you made a million $$ a second and had health insurance) for breast cancer victims.    But the state would not serve this guy who had breast cancer.  He sued and won for sex discrimination.   IMHO, that was a right decision.

The figures are that 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer, 1 in 1000 men.    1 in 30 women will get cervical cancer, 1 in 6 men will get prostate cancer, if you wondering.

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And no women get prostate cancer!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on July 11, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing every state use their state nickname or slogan on their plates. Better than a website on some plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on July 16, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
Sweet Home Alabama or God Bless America on most car tags? (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/07/sweet_home_alabama_or_god_bles.html)

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For the year beginning Oct. 1, 2010, and ending Sept. 30, 2011, about 880,294 Alabamians were driving around with a God Bless America tag on their vehicle. In that same time period, 2,923,475 state residents were driving with the Sweet Home Alabama tag.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Michael in Philly on July 16, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
^^Are they going to commit treason en masse secede again?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on July 16, 2012, 07:27:04 PM
Just saw on local TV news that Texas is going to start issuing old-school black-and-white plates in the ABC•1234 format.

(http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2012/07/New-License-Plate-TX1.jpg)

Not a fan. I like the newest plates better than the circa-2008 plates I have now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on July 17, 2012, 02:10:56 AM
Why do they insist on retaining that stupid 3M font?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 17, 2012, 01:04:04 PM
The could've at least used the same flat fonts as AL, GA, MN, OK, SC, SD, and TN. It would look somewhat better. And, I'm pretty sure those new Texas plates come out next month.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: blawp on July 17, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
AZ has the best flat surface typeface.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on July 17, 2012, 06:44:01 PM
Just saw on local TV news that Texas is going to start issuing old-school black-and-white plates in the ABC•1234 format.

(http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2012/07/New-License-Plate-TX1.jpg)

Not a fan. I like the newest plates better than the circa-2008 plates I have now.
Does this example indicate that Texas will again use vowels in their license plate combinations? Not having to worry about potentially offensive words is the only FKN reason I can think of for this policy.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on July 18, 2012, 01:14:16 PM
Does this example indicate that Texas will again use vowels in their license plate combinations? Not having to worry about potentially offensive words is the only FKN reason I can think of for this policy.

There's always WTF.  And if they have to take specific steps to avoid that and other vowelless profane letter combinations, they might as well use vowels anyway.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on July 18, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Sweet Home Alabama or God Bless America on most car tags? (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/07/sweet_home_alabama_or_god_bles.html)

What was so wrong with "e pluribus unum"? Nobody smote us during all that time...but I suppose it's an option in the Sunshine State as well. (There's other catchy slogans such as "Dealer", "Apportioned", and "Trailer"). :)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on July 18, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
There's always WTF.  And if they have to take specific steps to avoid that and other vowelless profane letter combinations, they might as well use vowels anyway.

I know NC issued the WTF series.  It was the current high when they switched to red characters from blue.  That didn't go so well and they returned back to blue mid Z series.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on July 21, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
What people around here sometimes refer to as the Flying Saucer Plate.  Ugly color for a plate, whatever you call that greyish blue.  I agree that the pink ribbon one isn't very pretty either, but at least it has some real color on it.  I miss the wheat plates.

Incidentally, there are still quite a few 2002 plates still in active circulation...

At the beginning of May, the title and registration offices across the state were shut down so that a new registration system could go live. The new system apparantly prints the decals on the fly. Instead of  a decal number, the renewal sticker has its assigned plate number thermal-printed on the decal itself, along with the expiration month. There is a small "KS 2013" at the top of the new stickers, but the decals themselves remain color coded (2012 is black on light green, 2013 is black on yellow)

Registration expiration is done on the basis of your last name. Thus, the Treasurer's office still processes some new registrations that have an initial expiration in 2012.

The transition to the new system, unfortunately, was very rough - The Johnson County DMV had to stop accepting new customers at 11 on some days, and there was quite a bit of overtime involved.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on July 21, 2012, 01:08:54 PM
What people around here sometimes refer to as the Flying Saucer Plate.  Ugly color for a plate, whatever you call that greyish blue.  I agree that the pink ribbon one isn't very pretty either, but at least it has some real color on it.  I miss the wheat plates.

Incidentally, there are still quite a few 2002 plates still in active circulation...

At the beginning of May, the title and registration offices across the state were shut down so that a new registration system could go live. The new system apparantly prints the decals on the fly. Instead of  a decal number, the renewal sticker has its assigned plate number thermal-printed on the decal itself, along with the expiration month. There is a small "KS 2013" at the top of the new stickers, but the decals themselves remain color coded (2012 is black on light green, 2013 is black on yellow)

Registration expiration is done on the basis of your last name. Thus, the Treasurer's office still processes some new registrations that have an initial expiration in 2012.

The transition to the new system, unfortunately, was very rough - The Johnson County DMV had to stop accepting new customers at 11 on some days, and there was quite a bit of overtime involved.
Does Kansas make you renew your plates in person, as opposed to by mail or on-line? That would be very inconvenient.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on July 21, 2012, 01:26:50 PM
Does Kansas make you renew your plates in person, as opposed to by mail or on-line? That would be very inconvenient.

There is a renewal by web/mail option available.

I still have to take care of my car the old fashioned way. My battle cruiser dropped the transmission back in March. I finally got rid of it a bought a replacement. Once I've got the insurance card ready for "Little Red," I'll be making a beeline for Oskaloosa to officially transfer my "ROUTE56" vanity plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: J N Winkler on July 21, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
I dislike the current Kansas vanity plate--it is a sunset plate and very derivative of a regular-issue Indiana plate design from about ten years ago.  Bring back the female buffalo!

I don't like the current regular-issue Kansas plate either; it is a lot worse than the one immediately preceding, which is a faded-out rendering of the state capitol which nevertheless has more color.  I don't think Kansas has had a good regular-issue plate since the wheat plates.

I also dislike Kansas' current practice of retiring the numbers that were issued prior to each changeover in license plate design.  The number pool is not deep enough to allow numbers to be wasted in this way, and Kansas has already had to change from letter group first to number group first because it has run out of available numbers with the letter group first.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on July 21, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
I also dislike Kansas' current practice of retiring the numbers that were issued prior to each changeover in license plate design.  The number pool is not deep enough to allow numbers to be wasted in this way, and Kansas has already had to change from letter group first to number group first because it has run out of available numbers with the letter group first.

As I have mentioned, that practice seems to have ended with the adaptation of the new system. As mentioned above, there are still some 2002 plates still in circulation.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on July 21, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
The transition to the new system, unfortunately, was very rough . . .

No kidding.  Our letter to renew was sent to where we lived two houses ago.  Fortunately, that also happens to be my parents' house, so they were able to hand it to us directly.

Does Kansas make you renew your plates in person, as opposed to by mail or on-line? That would be very inconvenient.

There is a renewal by web/mail option available.

This has become an important consideration for us lately.  Our car is almost nine years old now; meanwhile, we are looking at what steps need to be taken to move to México.  Registring/importing a car in México is a lot cheaper if it's at least ten years old, which means we've been thinking a lot about what kind of car we would buy next.  Not having to come to the DMV in Kansas every year would make keeping our car registered here more of an attractive option.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: J N Winkler on July 21, 2012, 04:23:49 PM
I also dislike Kansas' current practice of retiring the numbers that were issued prior to each changeover in license plate design.  The number pool is not deep enough to allow numbers to be wasted in this way, and Kansas has already had to change from letter group first to number group first because it has run out of available numbers with the letter group first.

As I have mentioned, that practice seems to have ended with the adoption of the new system. As mentioned above, there are still some 2002 plates still in circulation.

If the state is now allowing Capitol plates to remain with a vehicle until it is sold or transferred, then that amounts to a partial phasing-out of a system that arguably should never have been adopted in the first place.

In regard to renewal, we have always done ours by mail.  The Sedgwick County tag office is notorious for long queues and in fact has (or at any rate used to have) an old framed black-and-white photograph, taken in the 1960's, showing a queue trailing out of the tag office and wrapping around a block which showed signs of being cleared in anticipation "of the inner loop freeway" (which was cancelled in 1976).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: on_wisconsin on July 21, 2012, 08:38:10 PM
Here is a "only in Texas" plate:
(http://myplates.com/images/large/auto.MightyFineBurgers.png)
 :sombrero:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on July 24, 2012, 01:22:44 AM
I just did my tags today... officially transferred my "ROUTE56" vanity plate to my new vehicle ('98 Monte Carlo, 170k, engine and tranny good, looks very good for its age)

It took the person at the treasurer's office ~ 10-15 minutes to enter all the information and print my new decal (apparently done on a laser printer, the sticker is actually attached to my receipt)

Since I live in Jefferson county, there was no queue to speak of. ;)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on July 24, 2012, 05:45:15 AM
Came across a truck the other day with a "7XXXYYY" license plate in California, but I thought they were only up to the 6XXXYYY range? The truck itself looked pretty beat up and old, so I'm thinking they put a brand new license plate on an old car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on July 24, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
Came across a truck the other day with a "7XXXYYY" license plate in California, but I thought they were only up to the 6XXXYYY range? The truck itself looked pretty beat up and old, so I'm thinking they put a brand new license plate on an old car.

California may have an age limit on plates like Texas does (8 years). Or the truck came from out of state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 24, 2012, 10:06:15 AM
That's just a commercial vehicle plate. They have a different 0A00000 format (though now 00000A0) compared to the passenger plates. The commercial plates are currently in the 00000G1 series. Hope this answers your question.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on July 24, 2012, 10:41:58 AM
The Sedgwick County tag office is notorious for long queues and in fact has (or at any rate used to have) an old framed black-and-white photograph, taken in the 1960's, showing a queue trailing out of the tag office and wrapping around a block which showed signs of being cleared in anticipation "of the inner loop freeway" (which was cancelled in 1976).

This is why I like the somewhat bizarre Oklahoma system of "tag agencies". In Oklahoma the DPS (Department of Public Safety) directly handles only driver testing and issuance of new driver licenses and state IDs. All other services are rendered by a private "tag agent"—plate registration and renewal, driver license renewal, and other such things. Just about every town has at least one (even tiny Goldsby, where I grew up, which doesn't even have a post office). There are several in Norman and probably at least a hundred in Oklahoma City. If the wait is too long, or the computers are down, you can just go to the next one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 24, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
Came across a truck the other day with a "7XXXYYY" license plate in California, but I thought they were only up to the 6XXXYYY range? The truck itself looked pretty beat up and old, so I'm thinking they put a brand new license plate on an old car.

most likely you saw, and misparsed, a commercial plate.  7X12345. 

highest I've seen for actual issue is 6WNx123 or so ... and CA would not issue a vanity which conflicts with any actual or planned numbering scheme.  after 9XXX123, the next issue is slated to be 123XXX1, so those are unavailable for vanity as well.

each first-letter set seems to last about 4 months, so we still have half of 6W, and all of 6X, 6Y, and 6Z to go.  I believe all of those will be used (except maybe 6ZZZ) so 7AAA is a little over a year away.

as a reference, 6TH and 6TK were issued in Sept and Oct of last year, respectively.  my car is a 6TH, registered 9/9/11.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on July 24, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
Came across a truck the other day with a "7XXXYYY" license plate in California, but I thought they were only up to the 6XXXYYY range? The truck itself looked pretty beat up and old, so I'm thinking they put a brand new license plate on an old car.

California may have an age limit on plates like Texas does (8 years). Or the truck came from out of state.

I am sure that there is no age limit like that in CA.  I regularly see the Gold on Blue, Gold on Black, and even Black on Gold plates that are from the 1950's.  Even the embossed lettering state plates that were the predecessor to the current script lettering state that started during 150 year statehood anniversary, are over twelve years old now.  I think those date from before 2000.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Occidental Tourist on July 25, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
Came across a truck the other day with a "7XXXYYY" license plate in California, but I thought they were only up to the 6XXXYYY range? The truck itself looked pretty beat up and old, so I'm thinking they put a brand new license plate on an old car.

most likely you saw, and misparsed, a commercial plate.  7X12345. 

highest I've seen for actual issue is 6WNx123 or so ... and CA would not issue a vanity which conflicts with any actual or planned numbering scheme.  after 9XXX123, the next issue is slated to be 123XXX1, so those are unavailable for vanity as well.

each first-letter set seems to last about 4 months, so we still have half of 6W, and all of 6X, 6Y, and 6Z to go.  I believe all of those will be used (except maybe 6ZZZ) so 7AAA is a little over a year away.

as a reference, 6TH and 6TK were issued in Sept and Oct of last year, respectively.  my car is a 6TH, registered 9/9/11.

Old cars get new plates all the time in California.  Especially if they are resold at a car lot or lose a front plate.

And as indicated above, you probably saw a commercial plate, which is standard issue for light pickups, and sometimes issued for SUVs.  Based on the plate being a 7X12345, it was likely issued 3 or 4 years ago.  Trucks and SUVs outsell cars here and the DMV blew past 7X12345 and 8X12345.  They are now on 12345X1.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 25, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
there is, indeed, no age limit on CA plates.  in fact, for particularly old model years, if you can acquire a pair of plates from that year, in good condition, you can display them.  this is called the Year of Model policy.  I see plates as old as the 1930s fairly regularly on the road, due to the mild weather and the prevalent car enthusiast culture.

I believe the YOM policy is 1964 or newer, but they are thinking about extending it to the early 80s.

one interesting (quite unofficial!) variant I saw was a 1960s WV van with a 6ABC123 plate.  the plates were black with yellow, echoing the car's model year.  I am pretty sure the owner just repainted a modern issue!  :-D
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: txstateends on July 26, 2012, 03:25:13 PM
(http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120725-license-plate.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/license+plate.JPG)

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120725-old-look-is-new-again-with-latest-texas-license-plates.ece

Apparently, after only having the last style since 2009, TX has decided, as of now, to do a way-back rollback in design (or lack of  X-(  ).  Sorry, but whose bright idea was this??!!??  If it was so very difficult for the patrollers to see the plates all decked out, why did the majority JUST decide (in a state-wide contest) on the blue-skies-and-mountains look not too long ago??  >ugh<
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on July 26, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120725-old-look-is-new-again-with-latest-texas-license-plates.ece

Apparently, after only having the last style since 2009, TX has decided, as of now, to do a way-back rollback in design (or lack of  X-(  ).  Sorry, but whose bright idea was this??!!??  If it was so very difficult for the patrollers to see the plates all decked out, why did the majority JUST decide (in a state-wide contest) on the blue-skies-and-mountains look not too long ago??  >ugh<

I do recall the contest...goes to show you the population's preference was not the state's preference in the long run. Why bother.

This is pretty much a carbon copy of the old 80s design with the exception of the star and state slogan. Plain and boring made worse with, as Cullen put it, the stupid 3M font...

(http://www.aaroads.com/license_plates/thb/tx-ukk-206.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: rawmustard on August 22, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
Two new "Pure Michigan" license plates were revealed today (http://www.freep.com/article/20120822/NEWS06/120822015/new-michigan-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE). The white-on-blue one will eventually become the standard plate (available beginning in early 2013), while the Mackinac Bridge design will be available sometime thereafter. My take on it is that I'm tired of them thinking the tourism slogan needs to be put on everything. I'll only give up my "Spectacular Peninsulas" plate when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120822&Category=NEWS06&ArtNo=120822015&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Two-new-Pure-Michigan-license-plates-unveiled-today-do-you-like-them-)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 22, 2012, 06:01:18 PM
stupid 3M font...

I just noticed today that US Government plates are 3M flats.  I was much saddened.

On a brighter note, I spotted a license plate from Durango in a parking lot in Wichita on Monday.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
I kind of like the new Michigan bridge plate.  Personally, I wish we had something as unique for Illinois.  But, alas, we have a barely definable head of Lincoln.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: US12 on August 22, 2012, 06:59:45 PM
I miss that good old all Blue "Great Lakes State" plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 22, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120725-old-look-is-new-again-with-latest-texas-license-plates.ece

Apparently, after only having the last style since 2009, TX has decided, as of now, to do a way-back rollback in design (or lack of  X-(  ).  Sorry, but whose bright idea was this??!!??  If it was so very difficult for the patrollers to see the plates all decked out, why did the majority JUST decide (in a state-wide contest) on the blue-skies-and-mountains look not too long ago??  >ugh<

I do recall the contest...goes to show you the population's preference was not the state's preference in the long run. Why bother.

This is pretty much a carbon copy of the old 80s design with the exception of the star and state slogan. Plain and boring made worse with, as Cullen put it, the stupid 3M font...

(http://www.aaroads.com/license_plates/thb/tx-ukk-206.jpg)
They're out. Yuk. I saw one in Creede CO last weekend. (Our RV park in South Fork was 99% Texas rigs). Answering my earlier question on the topic, they are still avoiding vowels, since the plates began with B.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on August 22, 2012, 07:53:39 PM
How about this stream of consciousness...all it's missing is a twitter tag.

(http://bishopdan.com/images/newplate.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on August 22, 2012, 09:30:42 PM
Ohio: "The Gateway State"...does that mean I'll try other states after that one?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2012, 11:59:59 PM
I miss that good old all Blue "Great Lakes State" plate.

I don't.  License plates should have some design and an artistic flair, IMHO.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: US12 on August 24, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
I miss that good old all Blue "Great Lakes State" plate.

I don't.  License plates should have some design and an artistic flair, IMHO.
True, but the blue bar Michigan plate they replaced it with has no artistic flair. The new Pure Michigan one is slightly better than the Blue Bar.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on August 25, 2012, 05:22:53 AM
Ohio: "The Gateway State"...does that mean I'll try other states after that one?

That might change to Colorado this fall.  8)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on August 27, 2012, 07:52:36 PM
Two new "Pure Michigan" license plates were revealed today (http://www.freep.com/article/20120822/NEWS06/120822015/new-michigan-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE). The white-on-blue one will eventually become the standard plate (available beginning in early 2013), while the Mackinac Bridge design will be available sometime thereafter. My take on it is that I'm tired of them thinking the tourism slogan needs to be put on everything. I'll only give up my "Spectacular Peninsulas" plate when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120822&Category=NEWS06&ArtNo=120822015&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Two-new-Pure-Michigan-license-plates-unveiled-today-do-you-like-them-)
Now that's a return to good plate design for that state! Nice.
Ohio: "The Gateway State"...does that mean I'll try other states after that one?
If you or someone you know has tried Ohio, we are here to help. It IS possible to get yourself off Ohio for good.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 27, 2012, 07:59:37 PM
why "Pure Michigan"?  what's wrong with just "Michigan"?

though I suppose it beats "myFlorida.gov" for state motto.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 28, 2012, 06:04:45 PM
why "Pure Michigan"?  what's wrong with just "Michigan"?

Maybe there are separate ones for Detroit.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 06:06:32 PM


Maybe there are separate ones for Detroit.

probably.  we just haven't spotted any of the approximately twelve that they'd need to issue.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 28, 2012, 08:57:34 PM


Maybe there are separate ones for Detroit.

probably.  we just haven't spotted any of the approximately twelve that they'd need to issue.

Sorry, one of us apparently went over the other's head, though I'm not sure which is which.
I meant that Detroit would get Michigan plates, whereas the rest of the state would get Pure Michigan plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
the joke was, there are only 12 people left in Detroit who can afford to register a vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 28, 2012, 10:12:20 PM
OK.  So it was over my head.  I was kind of guessing it was mine.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on August 29, 2012, 04:40:00 AM
Only accept the highest Michigan purity standards. Countless lives have been ruined by the use of impure Michigan.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on August 29, 2012, 07:01:08 AM
Only accept the highest Michigan purity standards. Countless lives have been ruined by the use of impure Michigan.

Around here, it's easier to Just Say No to Michigan.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on August 29, 2012, 07:06:24 AM
Only accept the highest Michigan purity standards. Countless lives have been ruined by the use of impure Michigan.

Around here, it's easier to Just Say No to Michigan.

At least Michigan has a 70 MPH speed limit. Last time I was in Ohio it was 65 the whole way :ded:

And just in case you didn't hate me yet—I visited Ann Arbor and thought it was lovely
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on August 29, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Ann Arbor is a whore.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Mr. Matté on August 29, 2012, 08:35:06 PM
Ann Arbor is a whore.

And the "Ste." in Sault Ste. Marie? Means "slute."
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on August 29, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Ann Arbor is a whore.

So is Columbus, but who's counting?

Go Green, Go White.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 29, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
why all the hate against Ann Arbor?  last time I was there it was a pretty reasonable place.

for a really shitty Michigan city, try Flint or Saginaw.  for Ohio, try Youngstown or Akron.  plenty of shitholes in both states!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on August 29, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
At least Michigan has a 70 MPH speed limit. Last time I was in Ohio it was 65 the whole way :ded:

The Turnpike is 70 MPH now.  There has been sporadic talk of introducing 70 MPH on other rural Interstates, but the political support isn't quite there.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on August 29, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
why all the hate against Ann Arbor?  last time I was there it was a pretty reasonable place.

It's a Big Ten thing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on August 30, 2012, 02:08:34 AM
At least Michigan has a 70 MPH speed limit. Last time I was in Ohio it was 65 the whole way :ded:

The Turnpike is 70 MPH now.  There has been sporadic talk of introducing 70 MPH on other rural Interstates, but the political support isn't quite there.

The only time I was in Ohio I was taking I-70 across, so the Turnpike speed limit wouldn't help much...

why all the hate against Ann Arbor?  last time I was there it was a pretty reasonable place.

for a really shitty Michigan city, try Flint or Saginaw.  for Ohio, try Youngstown or Akron.  plenty of shitholes in both states!

Eh. Sports. I personally don't care for sports so any like/dislike I have of a place is on its own merits, more or less. I had a really good time in Ann Arbor because it was so much different than any sort of town I'd visited before, so there was a lot of stuff to see and experience. Ann Arbor also had a distinct 'feel' to it, something that is absent in a lot of places. (Has anyone ever felt all that strongly about, say, Des Moines?)

Sports would say that I am required to hate Austin, Texas with a blinding passion, but from what I've read of it, it seems like it would also be rather interesting. I'll reserve judgement on it for when I finally get down there. (I believe residents of Austin are supposed to hate Norman as well. They are probably more justified in doing so than we are to hate them. As far as I can tell Austin is everything Norman is not.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on August 30, 2012, 10:52:52 AM
This morning I was behind a car with what I assume is the current-style Nebraska plate, similar to what's shown below.

I was wondering if anyone knows the purpose of the barcode seen at the bottom right (below the final digit of the plate number). I've seen those on plates in Mexico as well (and a Mexican plate I saw here in Virginia earlier this summer), but this is the first time I recall having seen one on a US plate. I should mention I tend not to notice license plates unless I see something new that catches my eye. Living in the DC area you see so many out-of-area plates that you sort of become desensitized to them unless you see something really unusual, like that Mexican plate or the Puerto Rico or Guam plates I've seen a few times.

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4979409673717695&pid=1.8&w=246&h=119&c=7&rs=1)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 30, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
... Norman?

not Oklahoma City or even Tulsa?

Norman has a population of just over 100,000.  why would Austin bother hating what is really a suburb of OKC?

also, they'd probably hate DFW or Houston because the cultures of those two places are radically different as well.  most similar to Austin in my opinion is San Antonio.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on August 30, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
This morning I was behind a car with what I assume is the current-style Nebraska plate, similar to what's shown below.

I was wondering if anyone knows the purpose of the barcode seen at the bottom right (below the final digit of the plate number). I've seen those on plates in Mexico as well (and a Mexican plate I saw here in Virginia earlier this summer), but this is the first time I recall having seen one on a US plate. I should mention I tend not to notice license plates unless I see something new that catches my eye. Living in the DC area you see so many out-of-area plates that you sort of become desensitized to them unless you see something really unusual, like that Mexican plate or the Puerto Rico or Guam plates I've seen a few times.

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4979409673717695&pid=1.8&w=246&h=119&c=7&rs=1)

Many of the newer Colorado plates have little barcodes on them as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 30, 2012, 01:56:14 PM
clearly they are to identify people, so they can be placed in the right cattle car to ship them off to the right FEMA camp.

even more horrifying - is that Clearview on the digits of that Nebraska plate??
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 30, 2012, 02:36:35 PM
It's the mark of the beast.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 30, 2012, 03:02:27 PM


Many of the newer Colorado plates have little barcodes on them as well.
Which ones? Certainly not the standard embossed plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on August 30, 2012, 03:12:05 PM


Many of the newer Colorado plates have little barcodes on them as well.
Which ones? Certainly not the standard embossed plates.

I should have clarified:  Many of the newer *non*-embossed plates.  (http://www.worldlicenceplates.com/jpglps/US_COXX_OT.jpg)

The barcodes are on the lower right.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 30, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
It's interesting in that screen shot to see that some of the pre-2000 (current) series flat process plates had them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on August 30, 2012, 04:15:48 PM
This morning I was behind a car with what I assume is the current-style Nebraska plate, similar to what's shown below.

I was wondering if anyone knows the purpose of the barcode seen at the bottom right (below the final digit of the plate number). I've seen those on plates in Mexico as well (and a Mexican plate I saw here in Virginia earlier this summer), but this is the first time I recall having seen one on a US plate.

Not sure what the barcode stores, but any flat 3M plate has them. I first noticed these with an earlier issue of Indiana license plates. Then I noticed that every Mexican state license plate has them as well. Basically if the tag is flat, expect to find one.

And to clarify your assumption, that is the current Nebraska passenger vehicle issue. They debuted last year. From Licenseplates.cc (http://licenseplates.cc/story.php?id=396):

Quote
May 4, 2009 — Nebraska's next general-issue license plate features the state bird, the Meadowlark, and the state flower, the Goldenrod.

The new design, announced May 22, was chosen via an online poll.

Beginning in 2011, motorists will receive these new plates when their existing plates come up for renewal.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on August 30, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Not sure what the barcode stores, but any flat 3M plate has them. I first noticed these with an earlier issue of Indiana license plates. Then I noticed that every Mexican state license plate has them as well. Basically if the tag is flat, expect to find one.

Ones to check which I'm not sure have barcodes:
DC, Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on August 30, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
Not sure what the barcode stores, but any flat 3M plate has them. I first noticed these with an earlier issue of Indiana license plates. Then I noticed that every Mexican state license plate has them as well. Basically if the tag is flat, expect to find one.

Ones to check which I'm not sure have barcodes:
DC, Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming
None of those states' flats have barcodes on them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Central Avenue on August 31, 2012, 05:36:18 PM
How about this stream of consciousness...all it's missing is a twitter tag.

(http://bishopdan.com/images/newplate.jpg)

Here's the final version, now that all the slogans (if you can call them that) have been voted on:
(http://i.imgur.com/IZrII.png)

I notice that from the earlier mock-up to the final design, they switched from Gotham to Myriad. Not sure I'm a fan of that decision; I think Gotham captures the aesthetic they were going for much better than Myriad does.

I do like one other change, though: the red banner now goes all the way across the top.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on August 31, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
It looks like the final design has more slogans.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on August 31, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
... Norman?

not Oklahoma City or even Tulsa?

Norman has a population of just over 100,000.  why would Austin bother hating what is really a suburb of OKC?


it's college football season
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 31, 2012, 10:05:26 PM
Isn't that a Word Cloud?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on September 01, 2012, 11:35:39 AM
... Norman?

not Oklahoma City or even Tulsa?

Norman has a population of just over 100,000.  why would Austin bother hating what is really a suburb of OKC?

also, they'd probably hate DFW or Houston because the cultures of those two places are radically different as well.  most similar to Austin in my opinion is San Antonio.


Yeah, it's sports again. Norman having OU and Austin having the University of Texas.

We got "Ann Arbor is a whore" a couple pages back and that city has around the same population.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: doorknob60 on September 05, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
Not quite on topic, but my immature mind found this amusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/rONUZ.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on September 05, 2012, 01:49:14 AM
Not quite on topic, but my immature mind found this amusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/rONUZ.jpg)

I think my mind took that a couple steps too far into "wrong" territory…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on September 06, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
Michigan is also updating its license plate that benefits the US Olympic Education Center at Northern Michigan University in Marquette, Michigan. Like the previous one it is replacing, it costs and extra $35 to initially purchase, with $25 of that fee funding the USOEC. Renewals are an extra $10/year with the entire fee being going to the USOEC. The center is one of four in the US, but the only one attached to a university.
(http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20120906&Category=METRO05&ArtNo=209060410&Ref=AR&Profile=1361&MaxW=640&Border=0&Michigan-offering-new-Olympics-license-plate)
 Michigan offering new Olympics license plate (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120906/METRO05/209060410/1361/Michigan-offering-new-"Olympics-license-plate)" The Detroit News. Associated Press. September 6, 2012.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: allniter89 on September 06, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
Not quite on topic, but my immature mind found this amusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/rONUZ.jpg)
and on a school bus yet.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
that's nothing compared to this ...

(http://shields.aaroads.com/blog/photos/w15855.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on September 17, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
Well, I can tell that I am on the losing side of history on this comment, but I really dislike the flat 3M plates!  Saw a truck plate from NE the other day and it looked like something that came out of a high school metal shop!  Fake.  Nor can you see any of the digits if there's a bright light at an oblique angle.  And I especially HATE the 3M font!  At least states like TN and MN seem to use a decent font that make their flat plates seem acceptable.  But what NV and AZ did to their formerly attractive plates was atrocious.   They went from being really attractive as embossed plates to uggggggly as flat ones.

Given that prerequisite, I don't like the new Texas tags.  Were they embossed, they'd look crisp, simple and clean.  However, in flat 3M form, they are sure to look amateurish and boring.

Lastly, all cars should have 2 license plates.  Almost every other country in the world requires that (aside from a couple of Canadian provinces), the reason being that you often need to see the registration number from the front.  States that only issue one are being cheapskates and most charge you just as much as they would have if they stayed with 2 plates. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on September 17, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
Quote
But what NV and AZ did to their formerly attractive plates was atrocious.   They went from being really attractive as embossed plates to uggggggly as flat ones.

I feel like Arizona did a really good job with the transition to flat plate. See Idaho for an example of a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 17, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
Quote
But what NV and AZ did to their formerly attractive plates was atrocious.   They went from being really attractive as embossed plates to uggggggly as flat ones.

I feel like Arizona did a really good job with the transition to flat plate. See Idaho for an example of a clusterfuck.
I agree. Almost any embossed plate beats any of the flat plates. Those states that have retained a distinctive font on the flat plates, though, certainly beat the butt-ugly 3M generic font (bu3Mgf, for short). At least Nebraska has gone to a unique font on its new plates that looks pretty good, and those plates that Colorado does issue using the digital process such as special issue or vanity plates, duplicate the embossed letterset closely.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on September 18, 2012, 10:05:52 AM
Quote
But what NV and AZ did to their formerly attractive plates was atrocious.   They went from being really attractive as embossed plates to uggggggly as flat ones.

I feel like Arizona did a really good job with the transition to flat plate. See Idaho for an example of a clusterfuck.

If you look at the embossed AZ plates and compare with the new flat plates, it's no contest.  The flat plates are not nearly as attractive, nor do the letters stand out nearly as well.  The same is true of Nevada's plates, which have an even uglier font.  Fact is, it's hard to get the digits to stand out on a flat plate and, when they use that horrible 3M font, it just looks awful.

And yes, I agree, Idaho's plates now officially look like crap.  Interestingly, WY does (or at least did) offer you the option of an embossed plate for a nominal fee.  These are supposedly made in Colorado and they look a lot better than the flat ones.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on September 18, 2012, 02:29:32 PM
While I generally dislike flat plates, Tennessee's flat plates look great.  I don't think that issue was ever issued as an embossed plate, though, to make the same kind of comparison.

Most countries' plates are flat plates, aren't they?

Regarding front plates, I think it would save me some police stops in México.  Some officers seem to be looking for cars without license plates, so our car is immediately suspect.  In June, I was specifically asked by an officer where my front license plate was; I explained that my state doesn't issue them, and he was satisfied with that answer.  It's a good thing he believed me, since I also didn't have my vehicle paperwork in the car at the time (oops).

However....when, exactly, does one need to see the registration number from the front?  I can't think of a time I've needed to.  If two plates would cost me more than one plate, then I'd rather save the money and spend seven seconds walking to the back of my car should the need ever arise.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on September 18, 2012, 09:05:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/IZrII.png)

I do like one other change, though: the red banner now goes all the way across the top.

I still say that banner would look better if it were in the shape of the Erie shoreline.  Have you seen the new 30-day tags here?  They have an orange background that resembles this design, but I haven't been able to get a closeup.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 18, 2012, 09:40:55 PM

Lastly, all cars should have 2 license plates.  Almost every other country in the world requires that (aside from a couple of Canadian provinces), the reason being that you often need to see the registration number from the front.  States that only issue one are being cheapskates and most charge you just as much as they would have if they stayed with 2 plates. 
License plates cost next to nothing to produce. What you're paying for is a registration tax, which varies greatly by state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: J N Winkler on September 19, 2012, 01:06:21 AM
However....when, exactly, does one need to see the registration number from the front?  I can't think of a time I've needed to.

A front license plate increases the chances you can report at least a partial plate to the police if a stranger attempts to kill you by running you down with a car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on September 19, 2012, 05:37:02 AM
Quote
But what NV and AZ did to their formerly attractive plates was atrocious.   They went from being really attractive as embossed plates to uggggggly as flat ones.

I feel like Arizona did a really good job with the transition to flat plate. See Idaho for an example of a clusterfuck.

If you look at the embossed AZ plates and compare with the new flat plates, it's no contest.  The flat plates are not nearly as attractive, nor do the letters stand out nearly as well.  The same is true of Nevada's plates, which have an even uglier font. 

Definitely have to agree on the Nevada plate font.

I find it ironic that Nevada DMV currently has a "circa 1982" specialty plate, which intends to mimic the plain white-on-blue style of the license plates issued at that time. This was something that was to appeal to long-time residents for the novelty of having the old-style plates (any actual blue plates issued before 1983 are still street legal if in good condition, so seeing those on cars is typically a status symbol that the driver/owner is a native Nevadan).  Shortly after they started offering this old style plate, Nevada went to the flat plates, so now the style meant to mimic the past has nothing but the ugly font on a blue field. It's horrible cause they look nothing like the 1982 style now, but some people still get them...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on September 19, 2012, 09:14:56 AM
However....when, exactly, does one need to see the registration number from the front?  I can't think of a time I've needed to.

A front license plate increases the chances you can report at least a partial plate to the police if a stranger attempts to kill you by running you down with a car.

Not to be snarky, but that's somehow never come up thus far in my life, nor (as far as I know) in the life of anybody I know.  So I am hesitant to say it's worth it to require front plates for that reason.

As an aside, and not to derail the topic at hand, I had a boss who was cycling in Massachusetts one time, and had a car see how close it could get to his bicycle while passing him.  They misjudged and clipped his pedal, and he did a face plant into a granite wall.  After getting back on his bike, he continued down the hill to the police station (I don't know if he waited for the light to turn green), pulled a paint chip out of his pedal, and said they should look for a red Fiero with a piece of paint missing from the right side.  They caught the guys, no license plate number needed.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on September 19, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
Most countries' plates are flat plates, aren't they?

Some are, but the majority are - in some form - embossed.  The best-known "flat" plate country has to be the UK; but most of mainland Europe has embossed plates.  Australia and New Zealand also have embossed plates as do China and Japan.   I can't think of any Latin American countries that have flat plates and all of the aforementioned regions require cars to have two plates. 

Flat plates are seen in certain Caribbean island nations (generally former British territories) and in some very small or poor nations that don't have the demand nor the money to emboss a license plate.   The largest 'flat plate' nation that I can think of is India, though there is such a variety of plates on the road that it can be hard to know what is legit and what is not.  Typical of their disorganization, I guess.   Almost all are flat though.   
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on September 23, 2012, 07:25:37 PM
that's nothing compared to this ...

(http://shields.aaroads.com/blog/photos/w15855.jpg)

My hometown team, the Finney County Blues, used to play them during summer American Legion baseball.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on September 28, 2012, 10:16:48 AM
This is a late reporting, but sometime this year California got a new baseplate.  Wait for it....the new plate added the website for the DMV! Wow, cutting edge, right?

It looked like it happened around the 6Uxx series.   I find myself wishing the state would bring back the sunset plates.  My personal favorites.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Occidental Tourist on September 28, 2012, 10:19:36 AM
I find myself wishing the state would bring back the sunset plates.  My personal favorites.

 :clap:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 28, 2012, 12:31:34 PM
This is a late reporting, but sometime this year California got a new baseplate.  Wait for it....the new plate added the website for the DMV! Wow, cutting edge, right?

It looked like it happened around the 6Uxx series.   I find myself wishing the state would bring back the sunset plates.  My personal favorites.

cutoff is 6TPV vs. 6TPW but we are not sure yet if it was the exact 999/000 transition or not.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2012, 10:02:19 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Florida to get more readable license plates (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6224)

(http://tollroadsnews.com/sites/default/files/u2/2012/1210091new.gif)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 10, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
anything but Myspace.com ... err, Myflorida.com
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on October 10, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
No more A55 RGY...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on October 10, 2012, 12:32:16 PM
That's just one potential design. The full set of potential designs is here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home (http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

I'm disappointed. You'd think that they could come up with something better than those.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on October 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
That's just one potential design. The full set of potential designs is here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

I'm disappointed. You'd think that they could come up with something better than those.

And they're going to be flat.  Likely with that dreadful 3M font.  So another disappointment there.  Too bad.....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on October 10, 2012, 04:48:39 PM
That's just one potential design. The full set of potential designs is here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

I'm disappointed. You'd think that they could come up with something better than those.

And they're going to be flat.  Likely with that dreadful 3M font.  So another disappointment there.  Too bad.....

I like the county name too... looks like that is out
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on October 10, 2012, 06:58:48 PM
That's just one potential design. The full set of potential designs is here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

I'm disappointed. You'd think that they could come up with something better than those.

Agree, these are boring and the black lettering is a change from the green or red used on all the previous designs (except for some specialties).  :thumbdown:


And they're going to be flat.  Likely with that dreadful 3M font.  So another disappointment there.  Too bad.....

I have not seen a single 3M font based plate I liked. Major ugh...


I like the county name too... looks like that is out

Ditto for me, the county name is great and its fun to see who is from out of the area or better realize you are in a different county from where you live by all of the different county name tags then you are accustomed.. Plus I have been trying to collect one tag from each county for years, and now that collection will truly be of historical nature.  :-/
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on October 10, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
Disappointment from me on an upcoming flat Florida plate; then again, I suppose it was only a matter of time. On the other hand, I prefer a minimalist plate design...the orange blossom in the center is too busy, and blocks out other characters. The header's wording is all sorts of annoying and pointless (most people are going to go to Google for their  municipal/county/state needs).

Never liked the county stampings, to be honest: All it does is show followers/cops that "you're not from around here".
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 10, 2012, 09:52:37 PM
I would agree, those new designs are quite disappointing. On the plus side, they are pretty legible. And at least the website is gone. Though I guess Florida is taking the Ontario format and put it backwards (Ontario uses an AAAA-000 format whereas these new ones use 000 AAAA)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 10, 2012, 09:55:41 PM
I like how Florida has to redesign their plates for toll road cameras, yet NJ has been using the same fonts since 1959, and except for 1979-1992, the same color scheme.

(http://moini.net/njplates/aid-911.jpg)

1959

(http://moini.net/njplates/249-laj.jpg)

1979

(http://moini.net/njplates/w55-bwl.jpg)
1993-Now. Reflective but still the basic color scheme.

Will FL require people to change like NY did when the statue of liberty plate was replaced by the empire state, and the aborted replacement of that with the yellow plate, which cost you money when you renewed.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on October 10, 2012, 10:51:18 PM
They were probably losing out on that vaunted 99.9%* catch ratio, since the 95%* wasn't good enough. I've seen the photos taken by toll cameras, and they're quite legible, even in black & white.

* Completely made-up statistics, but then again, work money into stats and you have** your answer.

** This is also not proven, but it sounds good.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
And the thing about NJ is that except for 0/O , each figure is distinguishable. Sure, 1/I is probably not from the resolution of a traffic camera. But why change something that's not broken?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on October 11, 2012, 01:12:57 AM
If this has been mentioned before, I apologize.

I would like to see the states have simpler designs on their standard plates. The plate number (and maybe the state name) should be legible. Have all the vanity or specialized plates have the variety of designs. Therefore, people who want stuff that's more unique pay a little more for that kind of plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on October 11, 2012, 07:19:34 AM
I don't really care for any of the proposed Florida plates.  Prefer more orange and less green. 

In any event, as long as states have 1000 different alternate plates with entire dioramic displays, allow plate frames that cover state names, and Photo Block spray (which works great) is legal, tag based tolling is not a good idea. 

BTW, how the heck do you tell the difference between a Georgia University of Florida plate and a Florida University of Florida plate?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on October 11, 2012, 09:34:31 AM
I would agree, those new designs are quite disappointing. On the plus side, they are pretty legible. And at least the website is gone. Though I guess Florida is taking the Ontario format and put it backwards (Ontario uses an AAAA-000 format whereas these new ones use 000 AAAA)

They appear legible on your computer.  However, flat plates are - on the whole - NOT as legible as the stamped plates are.  At the wrong angle, light can be reflected off of the plate, rendering it illegible.  Furthermore, bends in the plate can have the same effect.   Although they are just as easily read from directly behind as embossed plates, it's the angles that are a problem.  They're also easier to cover up or alter. 

All in all, this rush to cheap-o flat plates is a big mistake.  There were excellent reasons why license plates have been embossed for the past 75+ years.  Because it works. 

And, by the way, the 3M font SUCKS!  It just makes a crap design crappier.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 11, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
By the way, the font seen on that plate isn't the default 3M font seen in states such as Idaho and Texas. It looks too curved to be the squarish, compressed 3M font.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on October 11, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
It's Futura Condensed.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on October 11, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I don't really care for any of the proposed Florida plates.  Prefer more orange and less green. 
The orange is what makes it unreadable though.  I like to notice which states vehicles are from when I'm driving, and before I knew that Florida = orange, I would be at risk of an accident every time one passed because you have to squint very closely to see anything on the plate other than the orange.  If they're nearly illegible to humans, imagine how hard it must be for cameras!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on October 11, 2012, 11:09:07 AM
Indiana is unveiling its new license plate for the next five years.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121011/NEWS07/121019915

It's a design celebrating the bicentennial of Indiana. With the new In God We Trust plates that were released last year, this means you'll be seeing a lot of white on the back of Indiana cars the next few years. For the plate itself, it's alright I guess, at least there is no website.

Interesting, the space for the county sticker (both number and name) is not present, I am going to assume that there will be a county number sticker in the bottom right corner to conform to all the other license plates (including IGWT.) And for me that would mean that I get to have fun guessing what counties the cars are from again, instead of just having the answer out there for me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on October 11, 2012, 12:23:28 PM
That's just one potential design. The full set of potential designs is here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121010/NEWS01/310100043/Florida-may-hit-road-new-license-plates?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

I'm disappointed. You'd think that they could come up with something better than those.

And they're going to be flat.  Likely with that dreadful 3M font.  So another disappointment there.  Too bad.....

If they are going for readability, I'd hope they'd put some thought into the font and consider choices other than 3M.  The preview on the website is not 3M.  Let's hope that indicates they are actually considering the font shown, rather than a liberty taken by the graphic designer preparing the preview.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 11, 2012, 03:18:46 PM
New Jersey is experimenting with flat plates. I have the semi standard logo plate, the cheap one that cost 20 bucks for life, versus 50 bucks one time fee plus 10 bucks a year.

(http://moini.net/njplates/gs-0000.jpg)
it is still embossed

Now the new "sports" series

(http://moini.net/njplates/rm89ab.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on October 13, 2012, 12:01:12 AM
The one thing I hate about the NJ plate is that, to me, the color is extremely reminiscent of pee...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on October 13, 2012, 08:48:05 AM
West Virginia's sequicentenial (150th) plate.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/governortomblin/8054271110/in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/governortomblin/8054271110/in/photostream)

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 13, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
That looks really pretty! Basically, it's a mix of the current Kansas plates and the old WV plates with the state outline. I hope it's not flat...

Speaking of WV, I wonder what the reasoning is for the stickers being printed on the plate itself. I wonder how it gets renewed...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on October 13, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
I hope it's not flat...

Speaking of WV, I wonder what the reasoning is for the stickers being printed on the plate itself. I wonder how it gets renewed...

Its flat.  Second "flat" WV plate after the "Friends of Coal" one.  As to the sticker, that is the way WV has done it for a very long time.  If you get a new plate that exps. in 2014, then it will have a faux sticker in the corner for 2014 that is really just printed on the plate.  You just cover it with real stickers from then on.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 14, 2012, 04:04:03 AM
The one thing I hate about the NJ plate is that, to me, the color is extremely reminiscent of pee...

It is one of the state colors, Buff. same basic color as the state flag.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on October 16, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
Now the new "sports" series

(http://moini.net/njplates/rm89ab.jpg)

Steve A., you planning to get one of these ;) If not, I'm sure Danno would want one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on October 17, 2012, 04:31:48 PM
The one thing I hate about the NJ plate is that, to me, the color is extremely reminiscent of pee...

It is one of the state colors, Buff. same basic color as the state flag.

I actually liked the old (very old) NJ plates - where New Jersey was spelled as "N J".  The buff color on those was very similar to the type of buff/beige that early 70's GM cars, such as the Buick Skylark, offered.  Simple yet elegant. 

The newer ones try to be fancy with the color being more "vibrant" and fading from top to bottom.  In the end, they end up being the color of pee.  The classic plates didn't look like that.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: realjd on October 24, 2012, 07:59:40 AM
Apparently the plan for Florida to update their plates was a thinly veiled attempt to privatize the manufacturing and distribution of license plates in our state; knowing our governor, I'm sure the contract was going to go no-bid to a company he part owns or to a buddy's company. The local county tax collectors found out and complained enough that they're putting the plan on hold for now.

http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20121024/NEWS01/310240017/Florida-puts-brakes-license-plate-plan?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on October 30, 2012, 08:49:48 AM
Apparently the plan for Florida to update their plates was a thinly veiled attempt to privatize the manufacturing and distribution of license plates in our state; knowing our governor, I'm sure the contract was going to go no-bid to a company he part owns or to a buddy's company. The local county tax collectors found out and complained enough that they're putting the plan on hold for now.

I don't buy the statement of "saving money"; you can't get any cheaper labor than local inmates (they generally want to work, and get paid very minimally)...Win-win.

So, this is how Rick Scott gets people back to work. How's that coming along?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on December 03, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Voting begins for new Florida license plate design (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/284115/250/Voting-begins-for-new-FL-license-plate-design)

In my opinion all four choices are bland and the switch to flat lettering garners a huge :thumbdown: Can we have a "none of the above, try something else" option?

Can we drop the orange already too? So many of the orange groves are now cookie cutter subdivisions anyway. Maybe we could just have a House silhouette for the letter A instead of a cross-section of an orange.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2012, 06:04:27 PM
Goodbye A55()RGY.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on December 19, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
So after the online poll for the new Florida license plates, this (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20121218/NEWS01/121218029/Floridians-select-proposed-license-plate-design) was the result.

The winner was the plain "green bars" plate. It is expected to start production in 2014.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on December 19, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
The News-Press article noted:  "The Florida Department of Motor Vehicles wants to replace the existing standard plates, calling them difficult for red light and toll booth cameras to read. That’s because they have raised lettering and an image of oranges and orange blossoms in the middle of each tag, and characters such as V and Y, B and 8, 5 and S and Q and O get confused."

Simple solution:  Use the German license plate font.  From Wikipedia:

"Modern German plates use a typeface called FE-Schrift ("fälschungserschwerende Schrift", tamper-hindering script). It is designed so that the O cannot be painted to look like a Q, and vice versa; nor can the P be painted to resemble an R, among other changes. This typeface can also more easily be read by optical character recognition software for automatic number plate recognition than the old DIN 1451 script."

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/FE-Schrift.svg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on December 19, 2012, 04:21:23 PM
Indiana is unveiling its new license plate for the next five years.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121011/NEWS07/121019915

It's a design celebrating the bicentennial of Indiana.
The color scheme, particularly the lower-part, looks too similar to PA's current plates.

However, flat plates are - on the whole - NOT as legible as the stamped plates are.  At the wrong angle, light can be reflected off of the plate, rendering it illegible.  Furthermore, bends in the plate can have the same effect.   Although they are just as easily read from directly behind as embossed plates, it's the angles that are a problem.  They're also easier to cover up or alter. 

All in all, this rush to cheap-o flat plates is a big mistake.  There were excellent reasons why license plates have been embossed for the past 75+ years.  Because it works.
Tell that to Delaware, they've been using flat plates for decades.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on December 20, 2012, 04:29:09 PM
Simple solution:  Use the German license plate font.  From Wikipedia:

I have a feeling most of us could agree on another solution....  ;-)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 20, 2012, 04:32:39 PM

I have a feeling most of us could agree on another solution....  ;-)

not use "O" and "I"?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on December 20, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Simple solution:  Use the German license plate font.  From Wikipedia:

I have a feeling most of us could agree on another solution....  ;-)
Personally, I'd look forward to seeing U.S. license plates with umlauted vowels.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Doctor Whom on December 20, 2012, 08:07:03 PM
Personally, I'd look forward to seeing U.S. license plates with umlauted vowels.
Heavy-metal fans would have a field day ordering vanity tags.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Sanctimoniously on December 20, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
(http://whatirealized.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/spinal-tap.jpg)

. . .These go to eleven.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on December 20, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
Simple solution:  Use the German license plate font.  From Wikipedia:

I have a feeling most of us could agree on another solution....  ;-)
Personally, I'd look forward to seeing U.S. license plates with umlauted vowels.

ÄLPSRDŠ
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on December 20, 2012, 11:13:29 PM
Not at ALL what I was thinking.....  :-D
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kurumi on December 21, 2012, 11:58:57 AM
For California plate geeks: non-commercial auto series is going to turn over fairly soon, to 7xxxnnn. We drove a 6YNSnnn loaner car down to LA a few weeks ago. Haven't seen a 6Z yet.

(I'm still driving a late 4 (2002) while our corporate parking lot is mostly 6's)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 21, 2012, 12:10:38 PM
MÖTLCRÜ

Pronounced Muhtley Creuh. Actually, more like a French U at the end, the one that most English speakers are unable to pronounce. So much for bands with gratuitious umlauts in their names.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 21, 2012, 12:10:56 PM
YNS beats the highest I've seen: YNC.  I'm always on the lookout for this kind of thing.

in a related bit, I managed to photograph 2014 registration sticker number 408.  the second one I spotted was number 2xxxx.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on December 21, 2012, 04:26:24 PM
MÖTLCRÜ

Pronounced Muhtley Creuh. Actually, more like a French U at the end, the one that most English speakers are unable to pronounce.
It's actually easy. Make your mouth like an EEEEE and then try to say OOOO with it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on December 21, 2012, 04:52:31 PM
That reminds me of a story I heard. When Motley Crue was touring Europe when they debuted, they were in Germany and the crowd was chanting, roughly, "Mertley Cree! Mertley Cree!"
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on December 22, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
MÖTLCRÜ

Pronounced Muhtley Creuh. Actually, more like a French U at the end, the one that most English speakers are unable to pronounce.
It's actually easy. Make your mouth like an EEEEE and then try to say OOOO with it.

I always do the opposite:  shape my mouth like OO but say the sound EE.  Interesting....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on December 22, 2012, 02:57:21 PM
Tell that to Delaware, they've been using flat plates for decades.

Ummmm, that one tiny state (which has long had lackluster license plates to go with its lackluster scenery) has done this for decades does not mean that their way is better than what everyone else has been doing for decades.  The laws of physics are what they are and light shining from certain angles will still cause more glare from a flat plate than it would from an embossed plate.   

Flat = cheap.  And you get what you pay for. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on December 31, 2012, 03:27:05 PM
Voting begins for new Florida license plate design (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/284115/250/Voting-begins-for-new-FL-license-plate-design)

In my opinion all four choices are bland and the switch to flat lettering garners a huge :thumbdown: Can we have a "none of the above, try something else" option?

Can we drop the orange already too? So many of the orange groves are now cookie cutter subdivisions anyway. Maybe we could just have a House silhouette for the letter A instead of a cross-section of an orange.

I'm gonna miss the county names. Florida has had county identifiers since at least the 1930s.  People don't like the county showing where they are from, but many of the same people paranoid for privacy will keep dealer advertisements, have stickers with their kids name and what ever sport the kid plays, stick figures shwoign the number of people and pets in the family etc... Not to mention if someone wants to find you, its not too difficult to find you based on the tag number.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 13, 2013, 12:03:08 AM
For California plate geeks: non-commercial auto series is going to turn over fairly soon, to 7xxxnnn. We drove a 6YNSnnn loaner car down to LA a few weeks ago. Haven't seen a 6Z yet.
6ZAU541 is the highest one I've seen (the License Plate News (http://www.licenseplates.cc/) CA high is mine). My prediction is by at least February that we reach the 7AAA000 series.

In other news, West Virginia has started issuing their (optional) sesquicentennial plates and Indiana their bicentennial plates. Both are flat.
West Virginia:                    Indiana:
(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/wv_sesqui.jpg)(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/in_bicentennial.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 13, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
CT will start offering 7 digit vanity plates later this year

http://articles.courant.com/2012-09-26/business/hc-dmv-vanity-plates-20120926_1_vanity-plates-standard-plates-characters (http://articles.courant.com/2012-09-26/business/hc-dmv-vanity-plates-20120926_1_vanity-plates-standard-plates-characters)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2013, 09:56:17 AM
West Virginia has started issuing their (optional) sesquicentennial plates and Indiana their bicentennial plates. Both are flat.
West Virginia:                    Indiana:
(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/wv_sesqui.jpg)(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/in_bicentennial.jpg)

I really like the West Virginia one.  It has a graphic base, but the graphics are very muted, which is what I prefer.  The letters at the beginning, though, are way too small (or maybe narrow is the right word.

BUT.  I've also noticed that a design that looks good to me on the computer screen doesn't necessarily look as good on an actual car.  Puebla (2006 era) (http://www.15q.net/mex/puemex3.jpg) is a perfect example of one that used to be my favorite—until I saw it on an actual car, and it looked much more plain and cheap in real life.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 14, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
6ZAU541 is the highest one I've seen (the License Plate News (http://www.licenseplates.cc/) CA high is mine). My prediction is by at least February that we reach the 7AAA000 series.

just spotted 6ZBZ007 yesterday.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 14, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
6ZAU541 is the highest one I've seen (the License Plate News (http://www.licenseplates.cc/) CA high is mine). My prediction is by at least February that we reach the 7AAA000 series.

just spotted 6ZBZ007 yesterday.

Would you mind if I post that as a high on License Plate News? (Unless you got an account of your own...)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 14, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
go for it.  but I don't have a photo
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on January 15, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
Arkansas isn't that far away from a 7-character plate (for the first time since 1968). They exhausted the AAA000 series in 1996 and are already in the S's on the current 000AAA series. Vanity plates are already 7 characters.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2013, 04:12:30 PM
I highly suspect Arkansas would switch formats before going to 7 digits, following Missouri's example.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: elsmere241 on January 16, 2013, 10:04:02 PM
I highly suspect Arkansas would switch formats before going to 7 digits, following Missouri's example.

Delaware already has a letter + six digits (counting the stacked "PC" as one letter).  I don't know what they'll do when the all-number plates get to 999,999 - and I'm seeing some plates in the 990,000 range.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on January 16, 2013, 11:20:56 PM
I highly suspect Arkansas would switch formats before going to 7 digits, following Missouri's example.

Delaware already has a letter + six digits (counting the stacked "PC" as one letter).  I don't know what they'll do when the all-number plates get to 999,999 - and I'm seeing some plates in the 990,000 range.
Doesn't Delaware recycle numbers that have been "retired"? I have wondered how a state that hasn't had a general plate reissuance since 1942 can issue number-only plates for so long. My information comes from the license plate collector site www.15q.net. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: elsmere241 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:35 AM
I highly suspect Arkansas would switch formats before going to 7 digits, following Missouri's example.

Delaware already has a letter + six digits (counting the stacked "PC" as one letter).  I don't know what they'll do when the all-number plates get to 999,999 - and I'm seeing some plates in the 990,000 range.
Doesn't Delaware recycle numbers that have been "retired"? I have wondered how a state that hasn't had a general plate reissuance since 1942 can issue number-only plates for so long. My information comes from the license plate collector site www.15q.net. 
Yes they do, after a number's plate has been expired for a few years.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: myosh_tino on January 17, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

(http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/legacy_plates/legacy_index_banner.jpg)

From what I gather, the vintage plates are being treated as a specialty plate which means an annual fee will apply.  Vintage plates will be issued if the DMV receives at least 7,500 orders by January 1st, 2015.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2013, 02:07:30 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

but not the classic sunset plate?  damn.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: myosh_tino on January 17, 2013, 02:15:12 PM
but not the classic sunset plate?  damn.
As much as I liked the classic sunset plate, if I had to pay extra for a specialty plate, I would rather go with one of these...

(http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/elp/artsT_150.jpg) (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/elp/yosemiteT_150.jpg) (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/elp/whaletail_150.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on January 17, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

but not the classic sunset plate?  damn.
That is not an exact replica of the 1956 black on yellow plate (which, I think, was the first time in the U.S. a plate with the ABC 123 sequence was issued). That original plate had a raised black area on the upper right with the number 56 and slots for a metal renewal tab like that used on the previous edition. The first and subsequent renewal years, though, used a sticker.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Doctor Whom on January 17, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
That is not an exact replica of the 1956 black on yellow plate (which, I think, was the first time in the U.S. a plate with the ABC 123 sequence was issued). That original plate had a raised black area on the upper right with the number 56 and slots for a metal renewal tab like that used on the previous edition. The first and subsequent renewal years, though, used a sticker.
The linked site says that the legacy plates will not be exact replicas of the original license plates because of both modern production technology and current law on reflectorization.  It also says that the final design will differ from what is shown.  Besides, I suppose that the DMV had to make room for month and year stickers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2013, 06:59:42 PM
The linked site says that the legacy plates will not be exact replicas of the original license plates because of both modern production technology and current law on reflectorization.  It also says that the final design will differ from what is shown.  Besides, I suppose that the DMV had to make room for month and year stickers.

I don't remember what year the first reflective-sheeting plates came out in CA for general use*.  It may be 1984 (sunset plates, Olympics, etc) because IIRC even the blue/yellow is non-reflective.

as for the month and year stickers; I believe every plate since 1963 (black with yellow text) has room to fit the modern layout easily.

* factoid: 1956 was the first year of reflective plates in CA.  beaded Scotchlite sheeting, yellow with black text - for police cars only.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on January 17, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
The linked site says that the legacy plates will not be exact replicas of the original license plates because of both modern production technology and current law on reflectorization.  It also says that the final design will differ from what is shown.  Besides, I suppose that the DMV had to make room for month and year stickers.

I don't remember what year the first reflective-sheeting plates came out in CA for general use*.  It may be 1984 (sunset plates, Olympics, etc) because IIRC even the blue/yellow is non-reflective.

as for the month and year stickers; I believe every plate since 1963 (black with yellow text) has room to fit the modern layout easily.

* factoid: 1956 was the first year of reflective plates in CA.  beaded Scotchlite sheeting, yellow with black text - for police cars only.
Yes, the 1963 plates, which were designed to accommodate stickers instead of them being an afterthought as in 1956, had two sticker wells. Alternate year stickers were put on opposite sides until the state adopted year-around registration. I wonder how the black plate will be made retroreflective. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2013, 07:21:57 PM
I wonder how the black plate will be made retroreflective.

that's an interesting question from a manufacturing perspective.  the flip answer is "it won't be; black is rarely made retroreflective".  however, right now I believe plates are made with a layer of retroreflective sheeting, and the embossing is roll-coated with non-reflective ink.  this works well for positive-contrast applications like the current white plate with dark blue lettering, but it will not work for either the black/yellow or blue/yellow historic plate.

screen-printing in a way which aligns with the embossing is prohibitively expensive, so the only option I am thinking is to roll-coat the embossing with opaque paint and then a layer of reflective beading.  holy 1950s technology, Batman!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2013, 07:27:36 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

(http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/legacy_plates/legacy_index_banner.jpg)

I like these.  Especially the yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue.

(http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/elp/artsT_150.jpg)

I also like this one, and some of the similar California issues.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2013, 07:33:49 PM
I wonder how the black plate will be made retroreflective.

that's an interesting question from a manufacturing perspective.  the flip answer is "it won't be; black is rarely made retroreflective".  however, right now I believe plates are made with a layer of retroreflective sheeting, and the embossing is roll-coated with non-reflective ink.  this works well for positive-contrast applications like the current white plate with dark blue lettering, but it will not work for either the black/yellow or blue/yellow historic plate.

screen-printing in a way which aligns with the embossing is prohibitively expensive, so the only option I am thinking is to roll-coat the embossing with opaque paint and then a layer of reflective beading.  holy 1950s technology, Batman!

Thank you for the informed comments on this.

Does California use convict labor (like so many other states) to manufacture license plates?

If the answer is yes, then the more labor-intensive (1950s) method might not be so bad, right?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
Thank you for the informed comments on this.

Does California use convict labor (like so many other states) to manufacture license plates?

If the answer is yes, then the more labor-intensive (1950s) method might not be so bad, right?

I believe they do.

now I wonder how other states have made negative-contrast retroreflective license plates.  there's gotta be an option I am failing to consider.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2013, 08:14:50 PM
Thank you for the informed comments on this.

Does California use convict labor (like so many other states) to manufacture license plates?

If the answer is yes, then the more labor-intensive (1950s) method might not be so bad, right?

I believe they do.

now I wonder how other states have made negative-contrast retroreflective license plates.  there's gotta be an option I am failing to consider.

Maryland (and, Virginia, I believe) have never issued a tag like that since going to retroreflective tags. 

Virginia does issue a white-on-black antique set of tags like this one (I don't think it is retroreflective): (http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/images/thumbnails/antiqveh_tn.jpg)

But before retroreflecitve tags became common in the 1970's, both did. In many years, Virginia had white-on-black, and Maryland had variations, including white-on-blue (those were used in many years), yellow-on-black (like the classic California tags discussed above) and black-on-yellow.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 17, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
now I wonder how other states have made negative-contrast retroreflective license plates.  there's gotta be an option I am failing to consider.

The only newer ones that I know of are these special Kentucky "Friends of Coal" license plates: (Image from Plateshack Y2K)
(http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Kentucky2/ky2011coal.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on January 18, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
I thought "positive contrast" was light text on dark background, and "negative contrast" dark text on light background.

Anyway, I imagine a couple of ways reflective white text on a colored background, or light colored text on a black background, can be done without beads as a last step.  The first visible layer is reflective in the lighter color.  Then the whole plate is painted in the darker color (translucent if not black), then a chemical is rollcoated to remove the dark color from the embossed letters.  Or, the first visible layer is reflective in the lighter color, then a chemical mask is rollcoated on the embossed letters which prevents the darker color from adhering when it's applied to the entire plate; then the mask is washed off with another chemical. 

…I've seen almost every episode of How It's Made.  And now I'm trying to think of a way UV-hardening might be used in license plate production…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Kacie Jane on January 18, 2013, 02:42:07 AM
I thought "positive contrast" was light text on dark background, and "negative contrast" dark text on light background.

Whenever I make a reference to one phrase or the other, I always have to look it up to make sure I'm using the correct one.  Without looking it up, I don't have a clue whether you're correct or not, and I'm convinced my chances of guessing correctly are worse than 50/50.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 18, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
I thought "positive contrast" was light text on dark background, and "negative contrast" dark text on light background.

I always have to guess as well. 

Quote
Anyway, I imagine a couple of ways reflective white text on a colored background, or light colored text on a black background, can be done without beads as a last step.  The first visible layer is reflective in the lighter color.  Then the whole plate is painted in the darker color (translucent if not black), then a chemical is rollcoated to remove the dark color from the embossed letters.  Or, the first visible layer is reflective in the lighter color, then a chemical mask is rollcoated on the embossed letters which prevents the darker color from adhering when it's applied to the entire plate; then the mask is washed off with another chemical. 

…I've seen almost every episode of How It's Made.  And now I'm trying to think of a way UV-hardening might be used in license plate production…

I had no idea about those manufacturing processes; thank you for the info!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on January 18, 2013, 03:33:41 PM
Mnemonic: positive contrast is light on dark because you can positively use Clearview in those instances.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 18, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
Mnemonic: positive contrast is light on dark because you can positively use Clearview in those instances.

yes, but I think of Clearview negatively, so there goes that...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
Mnemonic: positive contrast is light on dark because you can positively use Clearview in those instances.

yes, but I think of Clearview negatively, so there goes that...

But you think of it even more negatively when it's used in negative contrast, right?

Right?

No?  Well, shoot..
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on January 18, 2013, 05:16:59 PM
If I'm reading that PDF form correctly, we won't be able to get those vintage license plates until after 2015?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on January 23, 2013, 06:08:20 AM
WV is going "flat" for all plates:

http://www.dailymail.com/Business/201301200122 (http://www.dailymail.com/Business/201301200122)

And also abandoning the fundamentally stupid numbering system.  Since 1973 the state has used a system of:

*L NNNN which was exhaused and replaced by *LL NNN which is now also close to exhaustion.  The * is either 1-9 or N O or D indicating the month of expiration, which, of course, limits the number of possible combinations greatly, and requires the DMV to keep 12 sets of plates on hand.  New series will simply be NNN LLL with expiration indicated on a sticker, like most states.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on January 23, 2013, 09:21:45 AM
WV is going "flat" for all plates:

http://www.dailymail.com/Business/201301200122 (http://www.dailymail.com/Business/201301200122)

And also abandoning the fundamentally stupid numbering system.  Since 1973 the state has used a system of:

*L NNNN which was exhaused and replaced by *LL NNN which is now also close to exhaustion.  The * is either 1-9 or N O or D indicating the month of expiration, which, of course, limits the number of possible combinations greatly, and requires the DMV to keep 12 sets of plates on hand.  New series will simply be NNN LLL with expiration indicated on a sticker, like most states.

Including the month of expiration as part of the serial number necessarily limits the number of possible combinations, so I think it was a dumb idea in and of itself.  It basically held several million "normal" serial numbers captive (someone will probably correct me in my math).

Regarding flat plates:  I've said it before, but flat plates can look decent, but they hardly ever do.  The only flat plate, IMO, that turned out really well is Tennessee (http://www.15q.net/us5/tn12.jpg).  Some of the others have turned out less-than-total-crap, but would still look better embossed.  Nevada's (http://www.15q.net/us3/nv07.jpg) doesn't even look real; if I were a police officer in a foreign country and saw a car with one, I'd likely accuse the driver of having forged a license plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 23, 2013, 09:47:13 AM
flat plates innately aren't a problem; it's that horrid font that they seem to be using across many states these days.  the Nevada example has it, for instance.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 23, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
flat plates innately aren't a problem; it's that horrid font that they seem to be using across many states these days.  the Nevada example has it, for instance.

Hey, but at least there's alternate flat plate fonts. There's the alternate 3M fonts (the better ones) used by Georgia and Minnesota. Arizona and Nebraska both use flat fonts unique only to those states. The there's states like New York and Washington that uses flat plate fonts on their specialty plates that replicate the embossed font.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on January 24, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Still not sure if I want to get yellow on black or yellow on blue. I like the look of the former, but my family had an old station wagon when I was little that had the yellow on blue and thus it makes me a bit nostalgic.

But more importantly, I might very well have a different car in 2015. I will be able to transfer this plate from my current car to a potential new one, right? I'd imagine it'd just be a matter of changing the VIN with the DMV. But that sounds too simple to be true.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 24, 2013, 07:54:56 PM
So according to License Plate News, Arizona has now reached the BAA0000 series after five years in the AAA0000 series. That'd sure be weird to look at (so will the 7AAA000 CA plates)...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 25, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
So according to License Plate News, Arizona has now reached the BAA0000 series after five years in the AAA0000 series. That'd sure be weird to look at (so will the 7AAA000 CA plates)...

we're getting there.  6ZGZ904.  you can report it on that site if ya want.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: doogie1303 on January 28, 2013, 11:08:20 PM
RI switched from a AA-000 style numbers to all numbers 000-000 a few years back. They claimed that they ran out of numbers (with AA-000 style you only get 676,000 combinations) and thats why they switched to all numbers, but it doesn't make much sense. All they needed to do was add another letter and they would have more than enough new plate numbers.

With 6-digit numbers only you get 1,000,000 combinations where as with numeric/alphanumberic combinations like AAA-000, you get 17,576,000 combinations.

All numbers I think is kinda boring, considering that at one time in RI, the two letters in your plate number would have been your initials.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on January 29, 2013, 10:09:37 AM
Well, if they run out of 123-456 numbers, it's not like they can't still switch to ABC-123 at a later date.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on January 29, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
Ohio may require replacement of license plates after 7 years of use

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/01/29/oh--ohio-license-plates.html

This would wipe out the gold-gradient and bicentennial plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on January 29, 2013, 09:55:54 PM
Ohio may require replacement of license plates after 7 years of use

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/01/29/oh--ohio-license-plates.html

This would wipe out the gold-gradient and bicentennial plates.

So even if your Ohio license plate is in near-mint condition after 7 years, you still have to get a new plate -- for the cost of $10 above the price of your annual registration.  In other words, "let's find a subliminal way to get more money out of our taxpayers".

What about those people owning antique/collectors cars who can legally use a vintage plate from the year of their car's make & model, or the one time "collector's car" plate for vehicles over 25 years old??

If Ohio is hurting that much for cash, then they should do like other states and base the annual license plate fees on the weight & age of the car instead of $xx.00 + $10-$20 more the local municipality of residence wants to add to it? 

I used to pay about $45.00/year to renew my plates where I lived in Ohio, out here in Colorado, my last renewal was $250.00 for that stinkin little sticker!!!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on January 30, 2013, 02:08:15 AM
So even if your Ohio license plate is in near-mint condition after 7 years, you still have to get a new plate -- for the cost of $10 above the price of your annual registration.  In other words, "let's find a subliminal way to get more money out of our taxpayers".

IIRC the article mentions something about this coming out of budget discussions, so I don't think they're trying to cover up that motivating factor.  But I have numerous times seen Ohio plates that are rusting or delaminating and becoming unreadible.  Relying on car owners to voluntarily order replacement plates as needed isn't reliable, apparently.

What about those people owning antique/collectors cars who can legally use a vintage plate from the year of their car's make & model, or the one time "collector's car" plate for vehicles over 25 years old??

I would imagine vintage plates would still be allowed (as long as the number is readable).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on January 30, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
Relying on car owners to voluntarily order replacement plates as needed isn't reliable, apparently.
Then tell police officers to DO THEIR JOBS for once.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on February 19, 2013, 09:10:52 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

(http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/legacy_plates/legacy_index_banner.jpg)

From what I gather, the vintage plates are being treated as a specialty plate which means an annual fee will apply.  Vintage plates will be issued if the DMV receives at least 7,500 orders by January 1st, 2015.

Every state needs to do this.  I'd be first in line to pick one up.  I HATE graphic plates, but I believe I've expressed that plenty in this thread.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: StogieGuy7 on February 21, 2013, 09:46:29 AM
Regarding flat plates:  I've said it before, but flat plates can look decent, but they hardly ever do.  The only flat plate, IMO, that turned out really well is Tennessee (http://www.15q.net/us5/tn12.jpg).  Some of the others have turned out less-than-total-crap, but would still look better embossed.  Nevada's (http://www.15q.net/us3/nv07.jpg) doesn't even look real; if I were a police officer in a foreign country and saw a car with one, I'd likely accuse the driver of having forged a license plate.

Agreed!  Nevada's plate is a real shame because this design was initially embossed and looked rather sharp.  Then they came out with the flat version, which looks like crap. 

Tennessee's flat plate does look pretty good; but that design would look better still if it was embossed.

Hey, but at least there's alternate flat plate fonts. There's the alternate 3M fonts (the better ones) used by Georgia and Minnesota. Arizona and Nebraska both use flat fonts unique only to those states. The there's states like New York and Washington that uses flat plate fonts on their specialty plates that replicate the embossed font.

Minnesota's new plates really wimped out with the same background design, but changing the (now flat) digits from blue to black.  It's another example where the older embossed version is superior. 

As for Nebraska: their truck and trailer plates (which are black and white) look incredibly fake.  Their plates are thin to begin with, and combine that with the cheap-looking font in black and white and it looks like something that was whipped up by a used car dealer.

One of the biggest lies out there about flat plates is that they increase visibility.  That's a steaming pile of bullshit.  When seen from certain angles, opaque light actually reflects off of any flat plate, creating glare and rendering it illegible.  And, from the other angles, there's NO advantage in having flat letters versus embossed as long as both plates are fully reflective.  The embossed plates are better.  In addition to being far more attractive.

Face it, flat plates are blighting our highways for one reason only: because they're cheap to make.  Not that motorists save any money; it all goes into state coffers.  And inmates have less to do. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on February 21, 2013, 01:04:04 PM
Face it, flat plates are blighting our highways for one reason only: because they're cheap to make.  Not that motorists save any money; it all goes into state coffers.

It is possible that, were a state to have stayed with embossed plates, the price for registration would have gone up rather than stayed the same—or gone up more than it did, if it did.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on February 21, 2013, 02:13:35 PM
Face it, flat plates are blighting our highways for one reason only: because they're cheap to make.  Not that motorists save any money; it all goes into state coffers.  And inmates have less to do. 

They also tout that they're typically more readable by red-light and toll cameras which issue tickets. Which means more revenue generation, and essentially does nothing for the end-user.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on February 21, 2013, 03:01:48 PM
I actually feel like Oklahoma's current flat plate is miles better than the one it replaced, though part of that is probably due to me getting sick of the previous design after having had to stare at it for 20 years, and not caring for Oklahoma's embossed font. (The flat plate uses Series C digits and some kind of squared-off variant of Series C letters).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on February 21, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
Oklahoma's plate isn't bad at all
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on February 22, 2013, 07:15:51 AM
Question:

Just got back from West Palm Beach.  Rented a car from Hertz.  Every car on the Hertz lot was registered in Blount County, Tennessee.  Another brand was using Davidson County.  Another Indiana.  Another Louisiana.  On the freeway, there were enough Blount County, Tennessee plates that one would have though one was in Knoxville.

Howcome Florida puts up with this?  In my state, the local rental car franchisees have to keep a %age registered in-state (for example the local Enterprise covers most of WV, and small parts of KY and OH, with WV comprising about 80% of its business, so 80% of the cars are plated in WV, etc).  Obviously these cars were delivered directly to the rental agency and have never been north of Daytona Beach. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on February 22, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
Question:

Just got back from West Palm Beach.  Rented a car from Hertz.  Every car on the Hertz lot was registered in Blount County, Tennessee.  Another brand was using Davidson County.  Another Indiana.  Another Louisiana.  On the freeway, there were enough Blount County, Tennessee plates that one would have though one was in Knoxville.

How come Florida puts up with this?

I rent from Avis a lot, and they essentially do the same thing; I guess it boils down to a few things:

Some counties/states are just cheaper than others to register vehicles. Other places seem to have large airport-based lots for pooling together a lot of vehicles, and distribute them to areas as needed (Florida needs lots of rentals between Thanksgiving to Easter/Passover, or shortages during the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy). You also get one-way rentals; so it's not terribly uncommon to see a vehicle on a rental lot with a plate from a state that's 1000+ miles away. If the demand increases for a type of car, or a replacement car is needed, they'll distribute them as needed...after all, a car that isn't being rented is just a company expense that generates no revenue.

Florida is one of those places that also attracts lots of tourism, so out-of-state plates aren't very unusual, although something from Alaska or Hawaii on Floridian soil are rare (but not impossible, especially in the car biz) finds. I'd imagine that most rental car agencies don't have roots in Florida, anyhow; they probably don't care much if the company isn't incorporated in Florida. That's not to say I haven't had rental cars in Florida with Florida license plates, but I don't think they have such restrictions.

Blount County, TN does seem to be a popular one with rental registrations, with Shelby County, TN being another one that seems to be oddly popular nearly anywhere I travel in The South. On the other hand, I've had Florida plates on rentals in Arkansas and Georgia, so...[shrugs]
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on February 22, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
I actually feel like Oklahoma's current flat plate is miles better than the one it replaced, though part of that is probably due to me getting sick of the previous design after having had to stare at it for 20 years, and not caring for Oklahoma's embossed font. (The flat plate uses Series C digits and some kind of squared-off variant of Series C letters).
I really like the design of the Oklahoma plate, but having the graphic on one side results in all six characters being pushed together without a space. Like New Mexico's balloon plate, this inhibits readability. Also, although the flat letterset used by Oklahoma isn't bad as those go, it is hard to distinguish among letters D, O and Q.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
Found out through Daniel Faigin's cahighways.org site that the California DMV has launched the California Legacy License Plate program (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm) where car owners can pre-order vintage California plates (black-on-yellow, yellow-on-black and yellow-on-blue)...

(http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/legacy_plates/legacy_index_banner.jpg)

From what I gather, the vintage plates are being treated as a specialty plate which means an annual fee will apply.  Vintage plates will be issued if the DMV receives at least 7,500 orders by January 1st, 2015.
Antique car collectors are going to sweep these up like gang-busters, if they haven't already.


Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on February 22, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Question:

Just got back from West Palm Beach.  Rented a car from Hertz.  Every car on the Hertz lot was registered in Blount County, Tennessee.  Another brand was using Davidson County.  Another Indiana.  Another Louisiana.  On the freeway, there were enough Blount County, Tennessee plates that one would have though one was in Knoxville.

Howcome Florida puts up with this?  In my state, the local rental car franchisees have to keep a %age registered in-state (for example the local Enterprise covers most of WV, and small parts of KY and OH, with WV comprising about 80% of its business, so 80% of the cars are plated in WV, etc).  Obviously these cars were delivered directly to the rental agency and have never been north of Daytona Beach. 

Back when Florida had counties on all the tags, and after Florida went away from the LEASE for the county name;  Lots of rental cars were from Manatee and Duval County for some reason.  I assumed it was for registration. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on February 22, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
Speaking of License Plates for rental cars, I know that in some parts of the country, states and/or rental car companies try their best to mask rental cars so as to either reduce the amount of break-ins or damage to a rental car.

Meanwhile, Colorado rental cars which get their plates in-state are sitting ducks -- All Colorado "Rental Car" license plates are a Red-on-White version of the standard issue Green-On-White plates. 

Colorado Rental Car = mostly out-of-area travelers = always lots of good stuff in the car & trunk for thieves! :no:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on February 22, 2013, 09:13:11 PM
That bled into eastern Wyoming too, where virtually all rentals had Colorado red and white plates. (I'm pretty sure eastern Wyoming rental car agencies just accumulated all their cars from one way rentals from Denver)

Interestingly, a couple years ago when my folks flew into Denver to come to my graduation in Laramie, they rented an Aveo from National that had regular green and white plates, but that's the only known rental car I've ever seen with green Colorado tags.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on February 23, 2013, 03:30:11 AM
Some smaller counties in NY used the county abbreviation (for example, YT-XXXX, was Yates County.) This was in the 1980's and early '90's that I know of. Of course, this numbering system would never work in a populated area. I think the locals liked the knowledge they lived in an area that could manage this.

Are there any states beside NY that allow 8 character vanity plates?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on February 23, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

Are there any states beside NY that allow 8 character vanity plates?
North Carolina does
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on February 23, 2013, 09:50:27 AM
Speaking of License Plates for rental cars, I know that in some parts of the country, states and/or rental car companies try their best to mask rental cars so as to either reduce the amount of break-ins or damage to a rental car.

Meanwhile, Colorado rental cars which get their plates in-state are sitting ducks -- All Colorado "Rental Car" license plates are a Red-on-White version of the standard issue Green-On-White plates. 

Colorado Rental Car = mostly out-of-area travelers = always lots of good stuff in the car & trunk for thieves! :no:
Those are fleet plates (vertical stacked FLT in front of the serial), which are not confined to rental cars. The electric utility I work for has a service center lot full of trucks and fleet vehicles, all bearing those plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on February 23, 2013, 11:41:16 AM

Are there any states beside NY that allow 8 character vanity plates?
North Carolina does
Ontario does too.

Nevada is now issuing these new sesquicentennial plates for its 150th anniversary next year. In my opinion, they're a bit too crowded...
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2013/02/21/60/2d/NV_The_Silver_State_LicensePlate.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on February 23, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
This thread is too long for me to read it all at one time, so pardon me if this is redundant.

I find it interesting that Mexico issues a license plate, and a window decal that is identical. The vehicle must have both the license plate mounted, and the (presumably non-removable) decal visible in the rear-facing glass. I guess there must be lots of chicanery going on in Mexico with license plate swapping and borrowing. Aside from emission/safety/registration stickers, are there any US states that require something like this?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on February 23, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
This thread is too long for me to read it all at one time, so pardon me if this is redundant.

I find it interesting that Mexico issues a license plate, and a window decal that is identical. The vehicle must have both the license plate mounted, and the (presumably non-removable) decal visible in the rear-facing glass. I guess there must be lots of chicanery going on in Mexico with license plate swapping and borrowing. Aside from emission/safety/registration stickers, are there any US states that require something like this?

The city of Philadelphia tried this for a brief time in lieu of plate stickers to combat sticker theft.  It didn't last long.  I seem to remember complaints of profiling by the police when they were traveling outside of the city.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2013, 02:45:03 PM
I find it interesting that Mexico issues a license plate, and a window decal that is identical. The vehicle must have both the license plate mounted, and the (presumably non-removable) decal visible in the rear-facing glass. I guess there must be lots of chicanery going on in Mexico with license plate swapping and borrowing. Aside from emission/safety/registration stickers, are there any US states that require something like this?

It also makes it fun to see cars that are more than about ten years old, because you get to see the design of all the previous license plate issues for that state for the past several years:  in most cases, at least, the design of the sticker is basically the same as the plates themselves.

For example, here's a picture of my two sons playing in the back of an old clunker this past summer.  Notice the stickers on the left side of the window.  From top to bottom, those are the license plate designs for the state of Coahuila for the 2001 series, the 1998 issue, what I think was a mid-1990s issue, and then the 2010 issue to the right of those.  (I'm not sure why there's no 2003 issue sticker.)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/kphoger/MexTags_zps68a6f3f2.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 23, 2013, 11:34:25 PM
This thread is too long for me to read it all at one time, so pardon me if this is redundant.

I find it interesting that Mexico issues a license plate, and a window decal that is identical. The vehicle must have both the license plate mounted, and the (presumably non-removable) decal visible in the rear-facing glass. I guess there must be lots of chicanery going on in Mexico with license plate swapping and borrowing. Aside from emission/safety/registration stickers, are there any US states that require something like this?

Not one of the 50 states, but it does have the authority to issue license plates - the District of Columbia has been doing this for quite a few years now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on February 24, 2013, 03:39:35 AM
Interesting. When I visit DC, I generally stay in Alexandria, take the Metro into town, and generally stick to the National Mall or other touristy areas. The majority of the rest of the city is pretty repulsive to me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on February 24, 2013, 07:22:30 AM
Aside from emission/safety/registration stickers, are there any US states that require something like this?

IIRC, didn't Kentucky used to require one to post a proof of insurance sticker in the back window, back years ago?

And, not technically "emission/safety/registration", some Virginia towns and counties have a wheel tax sticker that goes right next to the (weirdly placed) state inspection sticker. 

Which brings up another question from my recent trip to Florida.  Florida plate renewals are a yellow sticker with black writing in the form of "8-13" etc, that goes on the plate, much like most states.  Saw several cars with a sticker, about 5 x 5, on the back window of the form of:

NOW

(picture of a renewal sticker M-YY)

FLORIDA

with the plate having a sticker that read the same month in the previous year (i.e. expired). 

No idea what that was about.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2013, 12:52:07 PM
And, not technically "emission/safety/registration", some Virginia towns and counties have a wheel tax sticker that goes right next to the (weirdly placed) state inspection sticker. 

It used to be that every county and every city and town in the Commonwealth (there might have been a very few exceptions) issued a square local registration sticker next to the safety inspection sticker on the lower edge of the windshield in the middle.   Virginia local governments used to extract an annual (and hefty) personal property tax based on the value of the vehicle as determined by the local tax assessor.  Now that tax is a small remnant of what it once was for most automobiles and light trucks (but owners of heavier vehicles still have to pay it), many local governments have stopped issuing the stickers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2013, 12:54:13 PM
Interesting. When I visit DC, I generally stay in Alexandria, take the Metro into town, and generally stick to the National Mall or other touristy areas. The majority of the rest of the city is pretty repulsive to me.

I am not especially a fan of D.C. and its politics (I have lived in its close-in or distant suburbs nearly all my life), but there are some areas of the city that I rather like (though parking is almost always problematic, even in the many neighborhoods of the city that are very suburban in appearance).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on February 24, 2013, 03:16:42 PM
via licenseplates.cc:
Gray orders license plate change: ‘District of Columbia’ instead of ‘Washington D.C.’ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/gray-orders-license-plate-change-district-of-columbia-instead-of-washington-dc/2013/02/22/359b968a-7d20-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_blog.html)

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On Friday, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) published a new mayoral order changing the city’s license plates from “Washington D.C.” to the “District of Columbia.” The name change means the city’s “taxation without representation” license plates will be redesigned.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on February 24, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Are there any states beside NY that allow 8 character vanity plates?
http://www.american-number-plate.com/Editor/assets/OUTATIME-car.jpg  :bigass:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2013, 04:19:15 PM
via licenseplates.cc:
Gray orders license plate change: ‘District of Columbia’ instead of ‘Washington D.C.’ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/gray-orders-license-plate-change-district-of-columbia-instead-of-washington-dc/2013/02/22/359b968a-7d20-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_blog.html)

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On Friday, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) published a new mayoral order changing the city’s license plates from “Washington D.C.” to the “District of Columbia.” The name change means the city’s “taxation without representation” license plates will be redesigned.

You beat me to it.

Years ago, the District of Columbia's longtime black-on-reflective white tags did not mention "Washington" at all, just "District of Columbia."

Examples here (http://www.dcplates.net/Base1968.htm).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on February 25, 2013, 10:08:02 AM
Are there any states beside NY that allow 8 character vanity plates?

Florida does, starting around 2003-04.

Even though there was previously room for an 8th character, it couldn't be used for anything other than a hyphen.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on March 08, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Iowa changes the sequence on license plates (http://qctimes.com/news/local/ask-the-times/iowa-changes-the-sequence-on-license-plates/article_a6ec4bce-86bf-11e2-ada3-0019bb2963f4.html)

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Tracy Bramble from the Iowa Department of Transportation explains that the previous arrangement of three numbers followed by three letters used on Iowa license plates reached the maximum possible combination last summer. Newly issued plates that are not personalized use a reverse sequence of three letters, followed by three numbers.

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The basic design stays the same. The DOT already had changed the color of the numbers and letters on newly issued plates from dark blue to black on standard plates and specialty plates that have the blue and white background. It did not affect specialty plates that use a special color as part of their design, such as collegiate and firefighter plates.

Changing the characters to black increased the contrast with the background, made them easier to read, and also makes plate production more consistent and cost-effective, Bramble said.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 08, 2013, 09:35:33 PM
Looks like the CT DMV gas taken a side in the rivalry  :biggrin:

http://www.redsoxfoundation.org/programs/CT-License-Plates.aspx
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on March 23, 2013, 11:54:49 PM
While I still have yet to see one out on the road, License Plate News has confirmed plates in the 7AAA000 series. The current high is 7AAG016. Those plates are gonna look weird...

It took 5 years and about 8 months for the 6AAA000 series to run out.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
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While I still have yet to see one out on the road, License Plate News has confirmed plates in the 7AAA000 series. The current high is 7AAG016. Those plates are gonna look weird...

It took 5 years and about 8 months for the 6AAA000 series to run out.

D'oh! I just got plates for my new car and got a "late" 6 series.  Would've been cool to have a 7 series.  Oh well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
I saw this courtesy of licenseplates.cc.  Does anybody know if Florida is actually planning on using 3 numbers and 4 letters for the new format?  That makes for a lot of possible combinations, one that likely lasts decades.  IIRC, only Ontario is issuing a similar format right now, and they just got to the "B" series after what? A decade?

(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/fl_proposed_2.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 02, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
While I still have yet to see one out on the road, License Plate News has confirmed plates in the 7AAA000 series. The current high is 7AAG016. Those plates are gonna look weird...

It took 5 years and about 8 months for the 6AAA000 series to run out.

I have a photo of 7ABF080.  Scott Broady spotted it in San Francisco.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on April 02, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
I saw one of these the other day on a pizza delivery car :paranoid:... Not sure what to think


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZKApYHGrJ-I/UVsadzYVxMI/AAAAAAAACN4/5O6QsmCxwXI/s349/ia+plate.PNG)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 02, 2013, 02:45:28 PM
I saw this courtesy of licenseplates.cc.  Does anybody know if Florida is actually planning on using 3 numbers and 4 letters for the new format?  That makes for a lot of possible combinations, one that likely lasts decades.  IIRC, only Ontario is issuing a similar format right now, and they just got to the "B" series after what? A decade?

(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/fl_proposed_2.png)

Yes, this is Florida's current series.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 02, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
I saw one of these the other day on a pizza delivery car :paranoid:... Not sure what to think


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZKApYHGrJ-I/UVsadzYVxMI/AAAAAAAACN4/5O6QsmCxwXI/s349/ia+plate.PNG)


A flat tire on that car might encourage racist jokes....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 02, 2013, 05:33:15 PM

A flat tire on that car might encourage racist jokes....

I don't get it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on April 02, 2013, 07:19:21 PM

A flat tire on that car might encourage racist jokes....

I don't get it.

Neither do I.  Must be a "Jersey Shore" thing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 02, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
Oh, heavens.....   See #1. (http://morticom.com/jokesitalian.htm)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 02, 2013, 07:42:59 PM
I saw one of these the other day on a pizza delivery car :paranoid:... Not sure what to think


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZKApYHGrJ-I/UVsadzYVxMI/AAAAAAAACN4/5O6QsmCxwXI/s349/ia+plate.PNG)

will Colorado issue them for any ethnicity or affiliation?  I want an Alan-American plate.  how many signatures do I need to put together?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2013, 08:27:19 PM
I want an Alan-American plate.  how many signatures do I need to put together?
All you need is a bit of white-out.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 02, 2013, 08:39:42 PM
I want an Alan-American plate.  how many signatures do I need to put together?
All you need is a bit of white-out.

I was imagining him turning in a paper chain to some government office.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on April 03, 2013, 06:06:55 AM
Teddy Roosevelt said

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There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.

Yep.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 03, 2013, 10:19:25 AM
At the risk of totally derailing this thread.....

I'm not too concerned about being a "good" American or even "not an American at all".  I've never understood the notion that one must be wholeheartedly allegiant to one nation alone.  Besides which, an Italian American's (TR would be happy that I omitted the hyphen) fealty may very will be to America alone, yet he retains the label because he's proud of his family, heritage, and cultural traditions; to suggest that he do otherwise even smacks of cruelty.  But, more to my original point, who cares if a person is loyal to two nations?



Back on the topic of license plate news.....

I just came across this on the LicensePlates.cc website:

Quote from: http://www.licenseplates.cc/story.php?headline=Euro-size-plates-in-Puerto-Rico
Jan 20, 2013 — Puerto Rico motorists now have the option to use Euro-size license plates measuring approximately 20¾ x 4½ inches.

The optional plate series was proposed in 2011 (see www.dtop.gov.pr/noticias.asp?cnt_id=1188), and the plates are now being issued in the "I" series, as shown here.

The yellow band at the left contains the island's current tourism slogan, "Puerto Rico does it better," in English at the top and in Spanish at the bottom ("Puerto Rico lo hace mejor").

The blue dot within the yellow band contains the message "Llévalos contigo siempre: Valores," or "Always take your values with you"--a motivational message being promoted in various public venues around the island.

(http://www.licenseplates.cc/images/pr_euro.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 03, 2013, 10:21:18 AM
Quote

The yellow band at the left contains the island's current tourism slogan, "Puerto Rico does it better," in English at the top and in Spanish at the bottom ("Puerto Rico lo hace mejor").

The blue dot within the yellow band contains the message "Llévalos contigo siempre: Valores," or "Always take your values with you"--a motivational message being promoted in various public venues around the island.

I see potential here for at least six more catchphrases.

(seriously, is there any other jurisdiction which has more than one on their plates?)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 03, 2013, 11:34:47 AM
Well, as far as I can think of right now, Ohio is soon to have a plate made up entirely of slogans in its design. There was already a discussion on that plate on this thread.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 03, 2013, 02:14:47 PM
At the risk of totally derailing this thread.....

I'm not too concerned about being a "good" American or even "not an American at all".  I've never understood the notion that one must be wholeheartedly allegiant to one nation alone.  Besides which, an Italian American's (TR would be happy that I omitted the hyphen) fealty may very will be to America alone, yet he retains the label because he's proud of his family, heritage, and cultural traditions; to suggest that he do otherwise even smacks of cruelty.  But, more to my original point, who cares if a person is loyal to two nations?

I'm a proud citizen of Earth.  Future developments in interplanetary travel and/or communication may prompt me to further generalize that statement.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 03, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
I'll be a proud citizen of Earth until such time as I see another planet's society to compare ours to.  At which time, I'll decide whether to be proud or not.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 03, 2013, 02:29:35 PM
Alanland neither has, nor does not lack, Kardashians.

thus, I am a proud Alan-Alanlandian.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 07, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
I might be a license plate collector, but there is one thing concerning license plates that I don't really understand, and that is the stickers. What I mean is that all the month stickers are jacked up compared to when the plate was actually produced. For example, yesterday, I was out on the road and I saw a 6YOJnnn plate that had May 2014 stickers. Now I'm confused about this because the late 6Y series was issued in December and May obviously hasn't come yet. Any explanations for this?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on April 07, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Yeah, date of production has nothing to do with date of issue. Say I'm DMV location x- I order 1,000 license plates numbered 1-1000. Halfway through DMV location x running out of license plates, DMV location y orders 1000 plates numbered 1001-2000. License plate 502 will probably get issued by DMV x at the same time as license plate 1002 is issued by DMV y.

The late 6Y series probably reached your area in late December, but maybe the DMV in, say, Redding had them as early as last May.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 07, 2013, 10:48:45 PM
I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on April 07, 2013, 10:53:35 PM
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I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…

Whoa, vehicle registration expiration is tied to birthdays in some states? That seems like a privacy issue.

Speaking of that though, in response to CentralCARoadgeek's question- California is a state where the license plate stays with the car, not the owner, right? So if I have a car and trade it in, maybe I could transfer my registration to a new plate and have five months or so left on my registration, resulting in a weirdly monthed sticker?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: brad2971 on April 07, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
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I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…

Whoa, vehicle registration expiration is tied to birthdays in some states? That seems like a privacy issue.

Speaking of that though, in response to CentralCARoadgeek's question- California is a state where the license plate stays with the car, not the owner, right? So if I have a car and trade it in, maybe I could transfer my registration to a new plate and have five months or so left on my registration, resulting in a weirdly monthed sticker?

South Dakota was the last state (in 2008) to set up a system in which the license plates stay with the OWNER, not the CAR. SD would likely have not made that change if LEOs from out of state weren't bothering SD's citizens about previously owned cars that still have the SD plates on them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on April 07, 2013, 11:14:01 PM
I never understood plates staying with cars- I guess it saves waste. I bought a Dodge Colt in Tacoma WA that hadn't been registered in a couple years but still had license plates on it and they just reactivated the old plates when I went to register.

On the flip side, when I got my Jeep Liberty from my uncle who passed away in Idaho which is an owner-owned plate state, we had to discard his plate and put my plate on it, even though he obviously wasn't going to be using the plate for anything.

From what I understand, Arizona recently switched from the license plates staying with the car to with the owner too- I just moved from down there and when I signed a Ford Escort over to my parents (who do the snowbird thing and registered it in AZ), they had to get new plates.

But if I were selling a car in a non-family transfer, I'd want to have the rights to the license plate and the time left on the registration.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on April 07, 2013, 11:37:56 PM
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I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…

Whoa, vehicle registration expiration is tied to birthdays in some states? That seems like a privacy issue.

Georgia does it, with registrations expiring exactly on the birthday rather than the end of the month.  They also impose ad-valorem taxes on the renewal fees, so it is called a "Birthday Tax" by residents.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 08, 2013, 11:31:10 AM
I don't really like the whole "plates stay with owner idea" myself.  If I see old plates, I expect the car to be old too.  Likewise, If I see new plates, I expect the car to be shiny and new.  Plus I would really like to not be stuck with empire gold plates for my car when I graduate college.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 08, 2013, 11:39:21 AM
I might be a license plate collector, but there is one thing concerning license plates that I don't really understand, and that is the stickers. What I mean is that all the month stickers are jacked up compared to when the plate was actually produced. For example, yesterday, I was out on the road and I saw a 6YOJnnn plate that had May 2014 stickers. Now I'm confused about this because the late 6Y series was issued in December and May obviously hasn't come yet. Any explanations for this?

the other explanation is that the car's plates were damaged or stolen.  a new plate is issued, but the month of registration expiry is unchanged.

I saw an August 2013 6ZVTxxx plate the other day.  6ZVT was definitely not out in August 2012, so the replacement plate is the most logical explanation in my case, and a possibility in yours.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 08, 2013, 11:43:04 AM


I have a photo of 7ABF080.  Scott Broady spotted it in San Francisco.

I have a photo I took myself of 7ACT366, and spotted 7ADDxxx on Saturday but did not bother taking a picture.  apart from the first digit being "7", the plates are unchanged from the 6 series.

in other news, I did spot 8Z99993 the other day, which is just 7 shy of the Big Flip (CA commercial going from 1A23456 to 23456A1). 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 08, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
I recently found out that, in Kansas, if you have several months left on your registration when you trade in your car, you can get credit back for your "lost" money.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on April 08, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…

In Illinois, the expiration date at the end of the month has to do with when you first got your plates whether you bought your first car, or moved in from out-of-state.  Then you keep your plates and transfer them from vehicle to vehicle as you buy and sell them.  The plates are supposed to be replaced every so often, so no old plates on old cars.  Just old numbers with long-time residents.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on April 08, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
I don't really like the whole "plates stay with owner idea" myself.  If I see old plates, I expect the car to be old too.  Likewise, If I see new plates, I expect the car to be shiny and new.  Plus I would really like to not be stuck with empire gold plates for my car when I graduate college.
You never HAVE to, but it's a nice option. Especially for those of us with customized plates...
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I was going to say the owner's birthday is in May, but I guess that's not the way they do it everywhere…

Whoa, vehicle registration expiration is tied to birthdays in some states? That seems like a privacy issue.

So now that I know the owner is born in May, I can steal his bank account, no?
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The yellow band at the left contains the island's current tourism slogan, "Puerto Rico does it better," in English at the top and in Spanish at the bottom ("Puerto Rico lo hace mejor").

The blue dot within the yellow band contains the message "Llévalos contigo siempre: Valores," or "Always take your values with you"--a motivational message being promoted in various public venues around the island.

I see potential here for at least six more catchphrases.

(seriously, is there any other jurisdiction which has more than one on their plates?)
Didn't DC have "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION" as a choice instead of a different slogan?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on April 15, 2013, 06:48:20 PM
Eh, it's not so bad.

(http://bishopdan.com/images/newtag.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 15, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
'Tis nice there! Thanks for getting a picture of it! Now for a picture of the Arizona BAA0000 plates...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 15, 2013, 07:02:52 PM
Now for a picture of the Arizona BAA0000 plates...

I've seen one. looks just like you would expect.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on April 15, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
That's the best looking Ohio plate than the red/white/blue Heart of it All! plate. The last one looked like it could be any plains state, the sunburst was generic and looked too much like an Idaho plate from a distance, the bicentennial was generic, and gold isn't an Ohio color. That plate is distinctly Ohio colors (though it could use some blue)...just wish they would have put something other than the website on the bottom.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 15, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
I wonder about the website craze.  has anyone ever decided, upon seeing a website advertised on a license plate, to go check it out when they were next at home?  (or, good grief, immediately while driving!)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on April 15, 2013, 07:44:29 PM
Eh, it's not so bad.

(http://bishopdan.com/images/newtag.jpg)
And it is a good raised characters, unlike the flat hideous 3M font shown on page 14 of this thread
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on April 15, 2013, 07:46:17 PM
I wonder about the website craze.  has anyone ever decided, upon seeing a website advertised on a license plate, to go check it out when they were next at home?  (or, good grief, immediately while driving!)
Georgia removed the website from their new plated issued last year.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 15, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Now for a picture of the Arizona BAA0000 plates...

Baa




Eh, it's not so bad.

(http://bishopdan.com/images/newtag.jpg)

Agreed, that looks much better than what we all thought it was going to.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NE2 on April 15, 2013, 09:04:39 PM
Now for a picture of the Alanland BAA0000 plates...
Anyone?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: stormwatch7721 on April 15, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Is that a sticker on the left that has the county name, 6a?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 15, 2013, 09:35:20 PM
Is that a sticker on the left that has the county name, 6a?

yep.  Franklin County.  not sure how that came to be County #25 in the official registry.  Alphabetical?

btw, if you click on an image that the forum has resized, it restores it to the original size.  at that size, the Franklin becomes quite visible.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: stormwatch7721 on April 15, 2013, 09:38:33 PM
Thanks for the answer, agentsteel53. I don't remember Ohio nor any other state doing sticker-based counties. When I lived in Ohio as a kid,
the county name was in the center.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 15, 2013, 09:45:41 PM
Is that a sticker on the left that has the county name, 6a?

yep.  Franklin County.  not sure how that came to be County #25 in the official registry.  Alphabetical?

Alphabetical it is.  Also, now we know 6a's birthday.  (Or, at least, the birthday of whoever owns that car…)

Also also, I noticed the 8 is misaligned.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on April 15, 2013, 09:47:39 PM
Thanks for the answer, agentsteel53. I don't remember Ohio nor any other state doing sticker-based counties. When I lived in Ohio as a kid,
the county name was in the center.

Indiana's been doing sticker-based county stickers for at least a few years on the specality plates and the new general license plate now features them as well, they only use the county number which, like Ohio is done alphabetically. The previous plate featured the county name on the top and the majority of the plates before that featured the county number as a part of the license plate number. Though I may have to correct myself on that one (I am days away from getting the new plate myself) but it appears that the numbers are now put on the plates directly without the sticker.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 15, 2013, 09:57:33 PM
Alphabetical it is.  Also, now we know 6a's birthday.  (Or, at least, the birthday of whoever owns that car…)

I assume it is November 4.

what does the "3 11" mean on the yellow sticker?  the remainder of the codes, I can figure out.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 15, 2013, 10:08:24 PM
Now for a picture of the Alanland BAA0000 plates...
Anyone?

(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/kphoger/al_lp_zps59e88df0.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on April 15, 2013, 10:53:30 PM
Now for a picture of the Alanland BAA0000 plates...
Anyone?

(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/kphoger/al_lp_zps59e88df0.png)
No. 112 is standard where the 307 is, and 19 is standard where the 4 is :no:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 15, 2013, 11:01:39 PM
plate envy...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on April 16, 2013, 06:55:04 AM
Is that a sticker on the left that has the county name, 6a?

yep.  Franklin County.  not sure how that came to be County #25 in the official registry.  Alphabetical?

Alphabetical it is.  Also, now we know 6a's birthday.  (Or, at least, the birthday of whoever owns that car…)

Also also, I noticed the 8 is misaligned.

Now I expect presents...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 16, 2013, 10:03:57 AM
So if you live in a state with birthday expiration, does that mean that if you register a car the day before your birthday, you pay the full fee for one day?  :-o How is that in any way equitable?  If you register on any day other than your birthday, you get penalized, not to mention revealing identifying information to anyone who happens to pass by your car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 16, 2013, 10:25:10 AM
I think you can get a 13-month registration for that purpose, or a pro-rated registration for the remainder of the year (if it's less than 6 months), or just register for the year that starts on your next (soon-upcoming) birthday and don't drive till then… One of those is probably true, but I find it difficult to remember BMV rules.

Or, much more commonly, you've just sold a car, and you can transfer the plates and registration for that one to the car you just bought.

I heard once that decades ago, vehicle registration was done in either June or December, depending on which half of the alphabet your last name was in.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 12:58:23 PM
I think you can get a 13-month registration for that purpose, or a pro-rated registration for the remainder of the year (if it's less than 6 months), or just register for the year that starts on your next (soon-upcoming) birthday and don't drive till then… One of those is probably true, but I find it difficult to remember BMV rules.

Or, much more commonly, you've just sold a car, and you can transfer the plates and registration for that one to the car you just bought.

I heard once that decades ago, vehicle registration was done in either June or December, depending on which half of the alphabet your last name was in.

what is the advantage of the birthday system, over the system used in many other states, where the registration is set to the purchase date of a new car, or a car brought in from out of state and immediately sold?  (that's how CA does it.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:33:20 PM
Well, the DMV already has my birthday of file; everything else might change—vehicle info, address, phone number—but my birthday will stay the same.  Plus, I see a logical connection in states where the plate stays with the person, not the car:  one's birthday is more logically related to the person himself, whereas the purchase date is more logically related to the vehicle.

Who knows...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on April 16, 2013, 04:01:33 PM
Kind of odd, but my plate actually has the date listed as being one day off from my own birthday (they only mark the 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th of each month) but that is merely a coincidence.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on April 16, 2013, 05:59:35 PM
You're also more likely to remember to renew your plate if it comes on your birthday/end of your birth month. My car's tag expires in November, somehow, which has nothing to do with either when I bought it or when my birthday is (my guess is that it was originally plated in November).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 16, 2013, 08:12:51 PM
Ohio sends out renewal reminders about 90 days in advance.  And I still managed to forget to renew my registration last year until it was 5 months overdue and I got pulled over for it…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 16, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
Doesn't Ohio offer the owner the option to buy a 1 OR 2-year sticker renewal??

Anybody know the breakdown of states that do flat, jurisdictional rates for license plates vs. states which charge rates based on age &/or weight of the vehicle?

I know Ohio is jurisdictional - based (when I used to live there, the annual renewal rate in the city where I resided was $45/yr), while Colorado is age & weight-based.  (Paid damn near $425 for my current car's first year plate, now down to about $250).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on April 16, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
Doesn't Ohio offer the owner the option to buy a 1 OR 2-year sticker renewal??

Anybody know the breakdown of states that do flat, jurisdictional rates for license plates vs. states which charge rates based on age &/or weight of the vehicle?

I know Ohio is jurisdictional - based (when I used to live there, the annual renewal rate in the city where I resided was $45/yr), while Colorado is age & weight-based.  (Paid damn near $425 for my current car's first year plate, now down to about $250).

Actually, passenger car registration in CO is based upon current value. This is determined by DMV using their own arbitrary reference manual. If you buy a brand new $100,000 Mercedes, the initial year registration will cost (for example) $4,000.00 or so. The following years renewal it will drop to (again, my number for illustration purposes,) $2,800.00. Similar to a depreciation table, over the course of 5-7 years, (as far as I can guess,) the fee will eventually level off to say, $500.00 or so.

I believe weight is only a factor in truck licensing. CO is an expensive state for vehicle registration, however, it is considered a property tax and is thus deductible...

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 16, 2013, 09:10:24 PM

Actually, passenger car registration in CO is based upon current value. This is determined by DMV using their own arbitrary reference manual. If you buy a brand new $100,000 Mercedes, the initial year registration will cost (for example) $4,000.00 or so. The following years renewal it will drop to (again, my number for illustration purposes,) $2,800.00. Similar to a depreciation table, over the course of 5-7 years, (as far as I can guess,) the fee will eventually level off to say, $500.00 or so.

I believe weight is only a factor in truck licensing. CO is an expensive state for vehicle registration, however, it is considered a property tax and is thus deductible...


That's why I hate plate renewals here in CO -- you can never predict how much your tags will cost from year to year...

...which also can explain why there are a lot of people still driving 60's-70's era VW Bugs in Colorado. ;-)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
the fee levels off to 500?

damn, and I thought California had ornery high prices; but my registration renewal was $83 last year.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 17, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
Yes, Ohio offers 2-year vehicle registration, I think that's a relatively recent offering.

And the birthday of the owner is revealed by looking at the expiration date on the registration sticker; it's the same date.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 17, 2013, 12:26:07 AM
Colorado is now up to ZSA-400.  They are about ready to go back to AAA-000 and reissue plate numbers that are inactive, at least that's what I thought what I heard here a while back.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 17, 2013, 12:53:47 AM
Colorado is now up to ZSA-400.  They are about ready to go back to AAA-000 and reissue plate numbers that are inactive, at least that's what I thought what I heard here a while back.
According to License Plate News, CO will issue plates with "Q" (AQA, QAQ, etc.) in any position after 999-ZZZ is reached.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 17, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
why are they so reluctant to go to 7 digits?  Massachusetts is, as well.  a new set of dies and gears can be had for a couple thousand dollars.  probably less expensive than poring through the records to see which plates are unused, and then manually setting the press every time.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on April 17, 2013, 12:54:50 PM
Ohio sends out renewal reminders about 90 days in advance.  And I still managed to forget to renew my registration last year until it was 5 months overdue and I got pulled over for it…

The Illinois Secretary of State does the same thing.  Yet, some people are still oblivious.

Of course, there's also the municipal vehicle tax stickers for your windshield if your municipality has such a vehicle tax (mine does not).  That's on a different date set by the municipality's fiscal year.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 17, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
Ohio allows municipalities to add a tax up to $20 annually which is paid at the same time as vehicle registration.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on April 17, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
So if you live in a state with birthday expiration, does that mean that if you register a car the day before your birthday, you pay the full fee for one day?  :-o How is that in any way equitable?  If you register on any day other than your birthday, you get penalized, not to mention revealing identifying information to anyone who happens to pass by your car.

It is prorated.  If someone really wants to get all your personal information you all they have to do it get your tag number, its not that difficult to find a way to look it up.  Here is Florida some people do not like having the county name on their tag, because they dont want people knowing where they live.  Then they will put the annoying stick figure families or their kids sports along with the name.  Not to mention bumper stickers with whatever they are into.  ( Soon however we will no longer have the county name.)

Before the birthday expiration came into play in Florida, all tags expired on June 30 so it was crazy in the County Tax Collectors office at the end of June.  I have my wifes grandfathers tags from Indiana from 1960 until he stopped driving in 2005.  It is interesting to see how the tags changed every year.  Same in Florida. New design/color scheme at every reissue
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 17, 2013, 06:46:27 PM
Then they will put the annoying stick figure families or their kids sports along with the name.

and don't forget "my sweetie poo is a shiny whiny super-starrific meteor boiler rocket propelled vomitus at McAlanlandford School for the Easily Indoctrinated"
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on April 17, 2013, 07:17:52 PM
Thanks for the answer, agentsteel53. I don't remember Ohio nor any other state doing sticker-based counties.

Kansas has had a county code sticker for 25 years now....

Also, in Kansas, the registration expires based on your last name. For instance, as my last name begins with "K," my tags expire on July 31.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 17, 2013, 10:08:51 PM
Colorado is now up to ZSA-400.  They are about ready to go back to AAA-000 and reissue plate numbers that are inactive, at least that's what I thought what I heard here a while back.
According to License Plate News, CO will issue plates with "Q" (AQA, QAQ, etc.) in any position after 999-ZZZ is reached.
According to licenseplates.cc, the next round of in Colorado will be nnn-XXQ, then nnn-XQX, finally nnn-QXX (if you follow my wildcards). Then they will issue available combinations in the AAA-nnn and following series. I have seen as low as xxx-ZZV on a special issue (i.e., flat) plate. My new car was issued a ZDW- plate this month. I am curious to see the "Q", since not using it up until now is because the state was not confident it could be distinguished from O.
why are they so reluctant to go to 7 digits?  Massachusetts is, as well.  a new set of dies and gears can be had for a couple thousand dollars.  probably less expensive than poring through the records to see which plates are unused, and then manually setting the press every time.
I presume you mean Colorado? They need to stay with a six-character plate because, first, the current scheme uses the same pool of combinations for all plates, and special issue plates have a logo in the center representing the topic of the special issue; and second, non-auto or truck plates are generally issued a plate with a stacked code (like TRL or FLT) in the first position. Neither of these could be accommodated with seven characters. And, because all letters including I and O (and soon Q) are used in all positions in the letter sequence, using a mixed letter/number sequence would restrict where those potentially ambiguous letters could be used. So, thankfully, no Missouri-type scrambled sequences.

The existing ABC-123 type plates were first issued in the mid-1980s, and there aren't very many left. Also, I can't speak for areas like Denver, but in Pueblo County the letter combinations used for ABC-123 sequence plates were not duplicated when the state went to ABC-1234 sequence plates. So, if this is true throughout the state, then there are a number of three-letter sequences available to use without potential duplication. Otherwise, will the state look for individual existing plates that would be duplicated in the new sequence and pull them, or will they avoid all three-letter sequences potentially still in use with three numbers? Or, wait until the plates reach the county offices and then the counties won't issue individual plates because of an existing duplication?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 17, 2013, 10:18:43 PM
when the state went to ABC-1234 sequence plates

so Colorado has used 7 digit plates ... and they went back?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on April 17, 2013, 10:28:15 PM
when the state went to ABC-1234 sequence plates

so Colorado has used 7 digit plates ... and they went back?

That is correct, we went from 7 to 6. This is a backwards state in so many ways. In the 1980's, I had a CO plate (similar to) SJH-3119. Now it is something like 622-PGH.
I also remember that they started the current cycle right around the Y2K era. Early in 2000, I saw new plates with AAA-105, etc...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on April 17, 2013, 11:58:05 PM
when the state went to ABC-1234 sequence plates

so Colorado has used 7 digit plates ... and they went back?
NJ went back partway through the only 7-digit series ever used.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 18, 2013, 01:00:21 AM
Ohio started 7-digit plates around 1999-ish when the gold design appeared, then went back to 6 digits for the Bicentennial series, then resumed 7-digits afterwards.

On the gold plates, the spelled-out county name across the bottom was actually a decal, aka a sticker.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 18, 2013, 03:29:52 AM
NJ went back partway through the only 7-digit series ever used.
Actually quite early on.  7 character plates in NJ were only issued from AAA1000 to ADJ9999.  No spaces, no dashes.  Any registrants who keep them valid are allowed to continue to display them, but they are no longer being issued sequentially.  Police agencies complained that they were hard to read in the field.  From my personal observations, I agree that they are a bit hard to read on the road.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 18, 2013, 10:00:01 AM
when the state went to ABC-1234 sequence plates

so Colorado has used 7 digit plates ... and they went back?

That is correct, we went from 7 to 6. This is a backwards state in so many ways. In the 1980's, I had a CO plate (similar to) SJH-3119. Now it is something like 622-PGH.
I also remember that they started the current cycle right around the Y2K era. Early in 2000, I saw new plates with AAA-105, etc...
Up until 2000, the letter sequence on Colorado plates was assigned by county. First they used two letters with four numbers, then three-three and finally three-four. Because of the use of county blocks, some counties ran out while others never came close to using their allocations. This caused premature exhaustion of available numbers. That is why the state went to a previously unused three number-three letter combination, with no county allocation. Also, they ceased using various letter-number combinations for the multitude of plate types and special plates, instead drawing from the same pool. The original intent was to call in all the older plates within a couple of years but this never happened due, I think, to budget issues. Thus the current situation of having to reissue plates using a sequence that has some active plates in it. (And for the reasons I cited above, the combination is not flexible). I'm suprised they haven't at least called in the old ABC-123 plates, and I would guess that if you try to transfer one to a new vehicle you won't be able to do it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 18, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.  NY started it's last sequence around 1999/2000 (with a mandatory plate change from the previous numbering scheme).  We're still decades away from finishing it.  It takes about three years for a leading letter to change, and we only just started G a few months ago!

We also use a separate numbering scheme for commercial/dealer plates rather than giving them reserved codes on the general scheme.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 18, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.  NY started it's last sequence around 1999/2000 (with a mandatory plate change from the previous numbering scheme).  We're still decades away from finishing it.  It takes about three years for a leading letter to change, and we only just started G a few months ago!

We also use a separate numbering scheme for commercial/dealer plates rather than giving them reserved codes on the general scheme.
New York does have a letter series reserved for out of state temporaries...Z.  ZAA-1000 to ZZZ-9999
Originally AAA-ABZ series was saved for out of state temps.  Regular issue 7 character plates began at ACA-1000.  When all the Axx temps were used up, NY switched to the Z series.  The highest series I've seen is ZDK
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 18, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.

indeed.  even California, which has the most car registrations out of any state, has quite a ways to go before exhausting its 7-digit plates.  residentials have the 7ABC123, 8ABC123, and perhaps even 9ABC123 (don't think that is reserved for anything else) before they can flip over to start with 123ABC1, etc.

commercial plates just flipped over (8Z99999 was followed by 00000A1; 9A12345 is reserved for power units - the tractor half of a tractor-trailer).  so they will likely get to 99999Z8 before passengers need a redo, but even that is likely 30 years in the future. 

I'm not sure what is planned for after 99999Z8 and 999ZZZ9.  possibly a run over unused combinations in the same pattern (0A12345 and 12345A0 will be available), or some completely unused letter-number patterns may be opened up.  out of the 99* combinations of 0 to 3 letters, sufficiently many are available that I am too lazy to figure out the exact amount. 

* 7c0 + 7c1 + 7c2 + 7c3 = 1 + 7 + 21 + 70 = 99
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 18, 2013, 08:59:10 PM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.

indeed.  even California, which has the most car registrations out of any state, has quite a ways to go before exhausting its 7-digit plates.  residentials have the 7ABC123, 8ABC123, and perhaps even 9ABC123 (don't think that is reserved for anything else) before they can flip over to start with 123ABC1, etc.

commercial plates just flipped over (8Z99999 was followed by 00000A1; 9A12345 is reserved for power units - the tractor half of a tractor-trailer).  so they will likely get to 99999Z8 before passengers need a redo, but even that is likely 30 years in the future. 

I'm not sure what is planned for after 99999Z8 and 999ZZZ9.  possibly a run over unused combinations in the same pattern (0A12345 and 12345A0 will be available), or some completely unused letter-number patterns may be opened up.  out of the 99* combinations of 0 to 3 letters, sufficiently many are available that I am too lazy to figure out the exact amount. 

* 7c0 + 7c1 + 7c2 + 7c3 = 1 + 7 + 21 + 70 = 99
By that time license plates will be old school. Cops will have an info-beam that will positively identify all vehicles and their owner.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 19, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.  NY started it's last sequence around 1999/2000 (with a mandatory plate change from the previous numbering scheme).  We're still decades away from finishing it.  It takes about three years for a leading letter to change, and we only just started G a few months ago!

We also use a separate numbering scheme for commercial/dealer plates rather than giving them reserved codes on the general scheme.
New York does have a letter series reserved for out of state temporaries...Z.  ZAA-1000 to ZZZ-9999
Originally AAA-ABZ series was saved for out of state temps.  Regular issue 7 character plates began at ACA-1000.  When all the Axx temps were used up, NY switched to the Z series.  The highest series I've seen is ZDK

Never seen a Z series myself.  Axx was general plates before the switch to 7 digits (mine's APD) so it must have changed before then.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 19, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
Never seen a Z series myself. 
You'd have to look at temporaries.  New York only issues temps to non-residents who buy a vehicle from a dealer in NY.  If you are a resident, you leave the dealer with NY plates on your vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 19, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Ohio is one step closer to seeing "Superplates" by summer...Happy 75th, Superman!

(http://moresay.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ohio-superman-licenses-plate.jpg)

http://www.cleveland.com/comic-books/index.ssf/2013/04/superman_license_plate_package.html#incart_river_default#incart_m-rpt-2
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on April 19, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
Forgive me, as I am far from an expert on Superman, but I thought he was born on Krypton. Also, did he not live in Metropolis, and hasn't the city of that name in IL claimed him as their own?

Ohio, really?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 19, 2013, 07:56:32 PM
I think the original creators of the character were living in Cleveland at the time or something.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: djsinco on April 20, 2013, 03:37:51 AM
I believe they modeled the skyline visible through the windows of the TV show after Cleveland, and threw in some other clues pointing to the city I call "The Mistake on the Lake." It was referenced as being in the midwest; but personally I always thought of it more like Chicago.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: elsmere241 on April 20, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Apparently, Metropolis was originally based on Toronto - either Siegel or Schuster (don't remember which) was from there.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 20, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
I believe they modeled the skyline visible through the windows of the TV show after Cleveland, and threw in some other clues pointing to the city I call "The Mistake on the Lake." It was referenced as being in the midwest; but personally I always thought of it more like Chicago.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YINiORSN-0g/Tl7uAarpQII/AAAAAAAACzo/cW_SONP6xDk/s1600/Cleveland%2B-%2BBell%2BBuilding%2B-%2Bpossible%2Binspiration%2Bfor%2BDaily%2BPlanet.bmp)

This was the building (The Ohio Bell/Ameritech/SBC Building) in Cleveland that was the basis for the Daily Planet building...Just a block or so away from Progressive Field and The Quicken Loans Arena.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on April 22, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
NJ went back partway through the only 7-digit series ever used.
Actually quite early on.  7 character plates in NJ were only issued from AAA1000 to ADJ9999.  No spaces, no dashes.  Any registrants who keep them valid are allowed to continue to display them, but they are no longer being issued sequentially.  Police agencies complained that they were hard to read in the field.  From my personal observations, I agree that they are a bit hard to read on the road.

I wonder if NJ personalized plates with 7 characters are difficult to read also. I always figured that someday NJ would eventually figure out a way to issue standard 7 character plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on April 22, 2013, 06:34:40 PM
NJ went back partway through the only 7-digit series ever used.
Actually quite early on.  7 character plates in NJ were only issued from AAA1000 to ADJ9999.  No spaces, no dashes.  Any registrants who keep them valid are allowed to continue to display them, but they are no longer being issued sequentially.  Police agencies complained that they were hard to read in the field.  From my personal observations, I agree that they are a bit hard to read on the road.

I wonder if NJ personalized plates with 7 characters are difficult to read also. I always figured that someday NJ would eventually figure out a way to issue standard 7 character plates.
It's really not that tough to read, says someone with a 7 character plate. I have no idea what the griping is about, but staring at my wall o' plates, I see that NY has a narrower font, both in stroke width and letter width. So that's probably the solution.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 22, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
NJ went back partway through the only 7-digit series ever used.
Actually quite early on.  7 character plates in NJ were only issued from AAA1000 to ADJ9999.  No spaces, no dashes.  Any registrants who keep them valid are allowed to continue to display them, but they are no longer being issued sequentially.  Police agencies complained that they were hard to read in the field.  From my personal observations, I agree that they are a bit hard to read on the road.

I wonder if NJ personalized plates with 7 characters are difficult to read also. I always figured that someday NJ would eventually figure out a way to issue standard 7 character plates.
It's really not that tough to read, says someone with a 7 character plate. I have no idea what the griping is about, but staring at my wall o' plates, I see that NY has a narrower font, both in stroke width and letter width. So that's probably the solution.
That most definitely is the solution.  Narrower dies need to be used in order to incorporate a dash or NJ map to break up the letters and numbers on regular issue passenger and non passenger plates.  I agree that on personalized plates I've never had an issue with reading the plate itself.  Trying to figure out the message it's trying to convey can be a whole nother story.  Some can be quite creative.  I think the coolest one I've seen from NJ (and I'm not sure how it snuck through Trenton)  FUKLUZN.  It was on some Japanese sports car, I forget which one.  I assume he was going for fuck losing the race.  As far as NJ going to narrower dies, don't hold your breath.  NJ was still using wider 6 character dies up until 1990 or so when they first played with 7 character dies.  I have two test plates from when Trenton first messed with 7 character dies in my collection...1234567 and ABCDEFG.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 22, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Every now and then I see a bible-thumpy plate.  One of these days I'll see someone who had to spell it G-ZU5 or something because more obvious spellings were taken.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on April 22, 2013, 09:11:50 PM
Every now and then I see a bible-thumpy plate.  One of these days I'll see someone who had to spell it G-ZU5 or something because more obvious spellings were taken.

Bible-thumpy plate...from the west perhaps? Too bad the IGWT plates are ABC123 (or AB123) over in Indiana.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 22, 2013, 10:37:57 PM
Forgive me, as I am far from an expert on Superman, but I thought he was born on Krypton. Also, did he not live in Metropolis, and hasn't the city of that name in IL claimed him as their own?

Ohio, really?

I've seen the Superman statue in front of the Metropolis, IL, courthouse many times.  Or in front of the jail, depending on your point of reference.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: andrewkbrown on May 17, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Saw a new Ohio license plate for the first time in Arlington, VA today. From a car-length, it resembled a diplomatic plate, which I initially thought it was, since it's more apt to see diplomatic plates than a new Ohio standard issue.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Bruce on May 18, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
Washington State will be offering new Seahawks and Sounders license plates for $40 beginning January 1, 2014, with proceeds going to three local charities.

Source (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seahawks-Sounders-license-plates-coming-in-2014-207952531.html) - Announcement Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqsio0h3kg)

Here are the actual plates themselves:

(http://www.seahawks.com/assets/images/imported/SEA/articleImages/events/2013/LicensePlates/130517-plates-600.jpg) (http://www.soundersfc.com/~/media/cc9751c2bae44c92aa39ae4c116064b5.ashx?w=591&h=296)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 18, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
Those designs look more appropriate for soda/pop cans than license plates.  Sorry, they're just a bit too "slick" for my liking.  (And hopefully they'll change the font in real life.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PurdueBill on May 18, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
Saw a new Ohio license plate for the first time in Arlington, VA today. From a car-length, it resembled a diplomatic plate, which I initially thought it was, since it's more apt to see diplomatic plates than a new Ohio standard issue.

It has taken no time to see a lot of new-style plates around here; I don't recall previous new designs seeming to appear so fast.  It is interesting that right now there are still people with the white/gold plates, Bicentennial AA11AA format plates, red/white/blue plates, Beautiful Ohio plates, and now the tag cloud plates.  I thought I had read somewhere once that only two designs at a time were to be in circulation (e.g., the last ABC 123 white plates on the road were retired when the Bicentennial plate became the standard issue), but evidently not. 

It is good to see that stock tag cloud plates are still stamped; so far Ohio hasn't gone totally flat.  Ohio hung on to button copy long after most states abandoned it; maybe it will stick with stamped plates for as long as it can too?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on May 19, 2013, 01:46:48 PM
You forgot the "sunburst" plate.  I've still got one of those…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: andrewkbrown on May 19, 2013, 06:11:25 PM
My former private ambulance company in Cincinnati was still running "Heart of it All" EMS vehicle plates on several of their trucks as late as 2009. How they were able to continue renewing them I don't know, as I had read that "Heart of it All" plates were obsolete and unable to be renewed with the issuance of the Bicentennial plates beginning in 2001-2002.

Most plates had rusted completely through, and had a mountain of renewal stickers 1/2 inch thick. Once again, I have no clue how they were able to keep the plates for so long, especially since each ambulance had a yearly physical inspection inside and outside of the vehicle by the Ohio Medical Transportation Board, and license plates were one of the inspection check-offs.

The "Heart of it All" plates were finally replaced in the summer of 2009 with the then current "Sunburst" EMS vehicle plates.   
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PurdueBill on May 19, 2013, 09:07:40 PM
You forgot the "sunburst" plate.  I've still got one of those…

The red/white/blue one after the bicentennial and before Beautiful Ohio?  I forgot to call it Sunburst, but then again the state forgot to make the Sunburst plate actually look like anything resembling a sunburst except on close inspection.  :P
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on May 19, 2013, 09:25:12 PM
I'm glad they did away with the sunburst plate-from any sort of distance it looks like an Idaho plate, and when those plates came out I was traveling back and forth from Idaho to Ohio with reasonable frequency and it just really blew my mind.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on May 20, 2013, 05:29:04 AM
I recently saw a Texas plate that very much reminded me of Ohio's old "The Heart Of It All" plate.  I'm guessing it's the standard, but I don't see Texas plates often…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Perfxion on May 22, 2013, 06:40:17 AM
Texas current standing plate is white with black lettering, but really plain. If you want anything different, you only have about 120+ official options.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on May 23, 2013, 06:40:27 PM
I have finally seen my first "Q" on a Colorado plate. As previously discussed, Colorado didn't use this letter because an acceptable design distinguishable from letter "O" hadn't been developed. It's now issuing all three-letter sequences with "Q" (probably not using FUQ) before reversing the letter-number sequence. I expected to see a California-like character, where the O was shortened and an exaggerated tail placed under it. Instead (and I will have to look closer as I see them in parking lots) it seems the standard O may have been ever so slightly shrunk and a relatively small tail put through the lower right corner.

This trivial little tale comes with a "Life happens while you're roadgeeking" lesson. I was returning from a work trip in a company vehicle and several vehicles in front of me saw the trailer bearing this plate along I-25 in Pueblo in the 2-mile distance between where I got on and was getting off to return to the office. I tried to get up closer to the trailer but was also aware that afternoon traffic was heavy and my exit was approaching, so I didn't push it. Then just as I got within one car of the trailer...BOOM

The trailer blew a tire. Big time. The tire came off the rim and traveled down the freeway - I expected it to jump the concrete median but fortunately it didn't. I braked hard and headed for the shoulder until I could track the debris trail. Now, if I had several miles to go on the freeway, I might have been more aggressive in trying to catch up to it. Gotta be careful out there, folks.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on May 26, 2013, 07:26:47 PM
If you're able to come by one, you might offer to sell it to the owner of <www.15q.net>.  He collects Q license plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 26, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
I have finally seen my first "Q" on a Colorado plate. As previously discussed, Colorado didn't use this letter because an acceptable design distinguishable from letter "O" hadn't been developed. It's now issuing all three-letter sequences with "Q" (probably not using FUQ) before reversing the letter-number sequence. I expected to see a California-like character, where the O was shortened and an exaggerated tail placed under it. Instead (and I will have to look closer as I see them in parking lots) it seems the standard O may have been ever so slightly shrunk and a relatively small tail put through the lower right corner.

that's probably gonna become indistinguishable when you place a frame over the plate, as people seem to really like doing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on May 27, 2013, 06:29:09 PM
I have finally seen my first "Q" on a Colorado plate. As previously discussed, Colorado didn't use this letter because an acceptable design distinguishable from letter "O" hadn't been developed. It's now issuing all three-letter sequences with "Q" (probably not using FUQ) before reversing the letter-number sequence. I expected to see a California-like character, where the O was shortened and an exaggerated tail placed under it. Instead (and I will have to look closer as I see them in parking lots) it seems the standard O may have been ever so slightly shrunk and a relatively small tail put through the lower right corner.

that's probably gonna become indistinguishable when you place a frame over the plate, as people seem to really like doing.
Kit at licenseplates.cc saw one the same day and same series. I don't think you can cover any part of the embossed characters with any frame I've seen. A lot of dealer-issued plate frames cover much of COLORADO and part of the registration sticker. The right and bottom of the O were moved inward to accommodate the slash within the 2-5/8" X 1-1/4" dimension for the characters. Too bad that wasn't AOQ so you could compare the 0, O and Q in the same place.

Here is the photo Kit took.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5345/8859289913_4793026a28.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on June 16, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
Wow, that 7th digit sure makes the sequence last longer.

indeed.  even California, which has the most car registrations out of any state, has quite a ways to go before exhausting its 7-digit plates.  residentials have the 7ABC123, 8ABC123, and perhaps even 9ABC123 (don't think that is reserved for anything else) before they can flip over to start with 123ABC1, etc.

commercial plates just flipped over (8Z99999 was followed by 00000A1; 9A12345 is reserved for power units - the tractor half of a tractor-trailer).  so they will likely get to 99999Z8 before passengers need a redo, but even that is likely 30 years in the future. 

I'm not sure what is planned for after 99999Z8 and 999ZZZ9.  possibly a run over unused combinations in the same pattern (0A12345 and 12345A0 will be available), or some completely unused letter-number patterns may be opened up.  out of the 99* combinations of 0 to 3 letters, sufficiently many are available that I am too lazy to figure out the exact amount. 

* 7c0 + 7c1 + 7c2 + 7c3 = 1 + 7 + 21 + 70 = 99
By that time license plates will be old school. Cops will have an info-beam that will positively identify all vehicles and their owner.

They already use this technology in Texas. DPS and some local agencies use scanners that can read the bar codes on your registration and inspection stickers on the fly. (A well-placed speck of mud across the bar code will confound the scanner, however.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: adt1982 on June 16, 2013, 10:08:15 PM
I noticed that Illinois has reached the S123456 series for car plates.  They've used nearly every other letter in the alphabet, albeit not in order.  U, V, W, and Z haven't been used, but U is used on state vehicles, so it is out. 

I wonder what they will do after they've exhausted all of these?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on June 25, 2013, 11:23:57 AM
I noticed that Illinois has reached the S123456 series for car plates.  They've used nearly every other letter in the alphabet, albeit not in order.  U, V, W, and Z haven't been used, but U is used on state vehicles, so it is out. 

I wonder what they will do after they've exhausted all of these?

Seeing how our current design has been in use since 2001, we'll probably get a redesign, and in keeping with current trends, they will probably end up being lousy flat plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on June 25, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
I'm still waiting on states to offer at least euro-sized plates, if not full-blown euro-style plates.  Seeing how my wagon has the full exterior euro-spec treatment, I'd be first in line to get a set.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2013, 12:27:28 PM
I'm still waiting on states to offer at least euro-sized plates, if not full-blown euro-style plates.  Seeing how my wagon has the full exterior euro-spec treatment, I'd be first in line to get a set.

I don't think that states are going to go for that, especially with more and more electronic reading of plates.  having them all conform to a single size makes the software a lot simpler.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: sp_redelectric on June 25, 2013, 03:57:56 PM
I don't think that states are going to go for that, especially with more and more electronic reading of plates.  having them all conform to a single size makes the software a lot simpler.

What about motorcycle plates?  They are significantly smaller...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 15, 2013, 02:32:09 PM
According to License Plate News, Nevada has passed 999-YZZ and went on to the 000-LDE series, because the 1986 Nevada plates ended at 000-LDD. Nevada plates were originally speculated to go through combinations with the letter I, O, and Q.

Note that Nevada isn't using the Z series because they were originally supposed to be Dealer plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: iwishiwascanadian on July 15, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
I've noticed that Connecticut has changed their license plate format.  It's been 123-AAA for as long as I can remember but now its 1ABCD2 with no spaces or anything.  I'm not fond of it at all. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on July 17, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
I just saw one of these for the first time the other day (the serial was longer, I think), and I think they're beautiful.  I must say, it's probably the only plate that can make the back end of a grey Buick look good.

(http://www.forestry.ok.gov/Websites/forestry/Images/Trees%20Make%20a%20Difference%20License%20Plate.bmp)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 17, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
awesome background.  what's with the shit font?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on July 17, 2013, 10:07:08 PM
I think I had an "info-beam" comment above.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/17/196914/privacy-group-warns-against-california.html#.UedMim1cX2A

"California license plates could get a high-tech makeover with a digital screen and wireless capabilities as part of a Senate bill making its way through the Legislature.

Senate Bill 806 authorizes the Department of Motor Vehicles to create a pilot program at no cost to the state with as many as 160,000 cars testing the digital plates patented by San Francisco-based Smart Plate Mobile. The state hopes the technology will improve efficiencies in vehicle registrations and potentially save the DMV some of the $20 million spent each year in postage for renewals.

Privacy advocates say the approach could leave motorists vulnerable to government surveillance by undoing a Supreme Court ruling that required authorities to obtain search warrants before using vehicle tracking devices..,."

There is some reference in here to selling advertisements. Great...I need to get the license number of the hit and run driver ahead of me and his plate is running a Cialis commercial.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 17, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
I need to get the license number of the hit and run driver ahead of me and his plate is running a Cialis commercial.

"911, what is your emergency?"
"I just saw someone get run over by a huge dick."
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on July 17, 2013, 10:40:11 PM
I need to get the license number of the hit and run driver ahead of me and his plate is running a Cialis commercial.

"911, what is your emergency?"
"I just saw someone get run over by a huge dick."
...[like all pharma commercials]..."In slow motion!"
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: ChoralScholar on July 17, 2013, 10:57:46 PM
I've been pretty pleased with the selection of special plates in Arkansas.  I have Teacher Plates and my wife has Susan G Komen Plates.  They have one for nearly every college and university in Arkansas as well as a ton of other stuff.

(http://www.dfa.arkansas.gov/offices/motorVehicle/plateImages/education_book_sm.jpg)

(http://www.dfa.arkansas.gov/offices/motorVehicle/plateImages/breast_cancer_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on July 17, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Washington State will be offering new Seahawks and Sounders license plates for $40 beginning January 1, 2014, with proceeds going to three local charities.

Source (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seahawks-Sounders-license-plates-coming-in-2014-207952531.html) - Announcement Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqsio0h3kg)

Here are the actual plates themselves:

(http://www.seahawks.com/assets/images/imported/SEA/articleImages/events/2013/LicensePlates/130517-plates-600.jpg) (http://www.soundersfc.com/~/media/cc9751c2bae44c92aa39ae4c116064b5.ashx?w=591&h=296)


WASHINGTON in Arial and the number in Helvetica?? :barf:

awesome background.  what's with the shit font?

Typical Oklahoma plates use Series C digits with some sort of squared-off font for the letters.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: TEG24601 on July 18, 2013, 12:41:35 AM
Washington State will be offering new Seahawks and Sounders license plates for $40 beginning January 1, 2014, with proceeds going to three local charities.

Source (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seahawks-Sounders-license-plates-coming-in-2014-207952531.html) - Announcement Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqsio0h3kg)

Here are the actual plates themselves:

(http://www.seahawks.com/assets/images/imported/SEA/articleImages/events/2013/LicensePlates/130517-plates-600.jpg) (http://www.soundersfc.com/~/media/cc9751c2bae44c92aa39ae4c116064b5.ashx?w=591&h=296)


WASHINGTON in Arial and the number in Helvetica?? :barf:

awesome background.  what's with the shit font?

Typical Oklahoma plates use Series C digits with some sort of squared-off font for the letters.

It is the new, more legible fonts that WSDOL has been using on the newer printed (instead of stamped) plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 18, 2013, 12:37:39 PM
awesome background.  what's with the shit font?

Typical Oklahoma plates use Series C digits with some sort of squared-off font for the letters.

that must just be the mockup, then.  I know the fonts you refer to on the actual plates; hopefully these new ones will use those fonts as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on July 20, 2013, 07:03:43 AM
A bill has been introduced into Virginia legislation to require only a rear plate. Here's hoping it passes.
http://www.insidenova.com/news/local/northernva/state-bill-calls-for-one-license-plate-instead-of-two/article_754d9eaa-5493-11e2-9568-0019bb2963f4.html
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: maplestar on July 20, 2013, 09:07:38 AM
A bill has been introduced into Virginia legislation to require only a rear plate. Here's hoping it passes.
http://www.insidenova.com/news/local/northernva/state-bill-calls-for-one-license-plate-instead-of-two/article_754d9eaa-5493-11e2-9568-0019bb2963f4.html

I'm guessing it won't, since the article is dated January 1st and the year's General Assembly session has finished already.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 28, 2013, 04:17:07 PM
Prince Edward Island will be doing a general reissue in September to these new license plates.

(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2013/07/05/pe-hi-new-licence-plate-8col.jpg)

This will replace all current PEI plate types on the road, with many older plates suffering legibility problems.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on August 27, 2013, 11:24:29 AM
'Sweet Home Alabama' license plates to be phased out on Jan. 1 (http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/08/sweet_home_alabama_license_pla.html#incart_river)

The new general issue starting on January 1, 2014:

(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/pgmain/img/alphotos/photo/2013/08/-b2e37a1d436fa543.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on August 27, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
'Sweet Home Alabama' license plates to be phased out on Jan. 1 (http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/08/sweet_home_alabama_license_pla.html#incart_river)

I'll be of two minds when I go to register my car soon; I kind of like the current plate, but the new one looks nice too.

Although, it appears the example above is slightly harder to read from a distance.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on August 27, 2013, 05:46:48 PM
'Sweet Home Alabama' license plates to be phased out on Jan. 1 (http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/08/sweet_home_alabama_license_pla.html#incart_river)

The new general issue starting on January 1, 2014:

(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/pgmain/img/alphotos/photo/2013/08/-b2e37a1d436fa543.jpg)

isnt there another song that mentions Alabama that can be incorporated?  will there still be county codes
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on August 28, 2013, 11:35:48 PM
It was announced late last week that Wisconsin's sesquicentennial license plates (1998) and red character standard issue plates should be nearly gone from Wisconsin highways by the end of next year: Official DMV notice (with images) (http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/vehicles/plates/reissuance/sesq-redltr.htm)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: catch22 on August 29, 2013, 08:43:27 AM
Michigan's latest specialty plate featuring the Mackinac Bridge, announced some time ago, finally goes on sale today:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130829/METRO05/308290051/Mighty-Mac-license-plate-gets-makeover

(http://www.michigan.gov/images/sos/Bridge-Plate_432239_7.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on August 29, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
I call shenanigans on the angle of the sun. That would have to be a sunset near winter solstice to be even close, and then wouldn't the straits be frozen?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 29, 2013, 12:23:12 PM
I call shenanigans on the angle of the sun. That would have to be a sunset near winter solstice to be even close, and then wouldn't the straits be frozen?

anticipation of global warming.  there should probably be a gator in that drawing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on August 29, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
Another pedantic nitpick: if the sky is bright orange, the water not appear blue. It would be a dimmer shade of the same orange hue.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 11:28:39 AM
Another pedantic nitpick: if the sky is bright orange, the water not appear blue. It would be a dimmer shade of the same orange hue.
Anticipation of pollution.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 02, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
Another pedantic nitpick: if the sky is bright orange, the water not appear blue. It would be a dimmer shade of the same orange hue.
Anticipation of pollution.

a thin sheen of some oil on the water surface that causes orange light to reflect blue?  eek; I thought "the eastern seaboard going underwater" and "piranhas in Baffin Bay" was bad enough...
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 04, 2013, 12:40:46 AM
KNX Radio: Bill Would Let Calif. Test Digital License Plates (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/03/bill-would-let-calif-test-digital-license-plates/)

Quote
State officials could set up a pilot program to test digital license plates under a bill advancing through the Legislature.

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The Assembly approved SB806 by Democratic Sen. Ben Hueso of San Diego, which would authorize the Department of Motor Vehicles to evaluate alternative license plates and registration cards.

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A legislative analysis of the bill says replacing current plates and registration cards with wireless devices could reduce processing and mailing costs. Privacy advocates have raised concerns that digital plates could allow government officials to track motorists.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on September 04, 2013, 04:35:37 PM
Privacy advocates have raised concerns that digital plates could allow government officials to track motorists.

Gotta love it.  With all the myriad methods available to track motorists now, they're all bent out of shape about one more.  That ship sailed years ago.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: MDOTFanFB on September 12, 2013, 03:24:34 PM
Michigan's latest specialty plate featuring the Mackinac Bridge, announced some time ago, finally goes on sale today:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130829/METRO05/308290051/Mighty-Mac-license-plate-gets-makeover

(http://www.michigan.gov/images/sos/Bridge-Plate_432239_7.jpg)


Well, it took two weeks, but one has been finally sighted out in the wild, starting out in the "AAA-(random three-digit number)" series, similar to the old blue plates in 2005 when Michigan started that combo. I wasn't expecting it at all.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: catch22 on October 15, 2013, 10:57:25 AM
A bill is working its way through the Michigan legislature to "age out" plates after 10 years and to explore a "digital plate printing method."

Detroit Free Press link:  http://www.freep.com/article/20131015/NEWS06/310150075/Michigan-bill-requires-replacement-of-old-license-plates
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 06, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
I've noticed that Connecticut has changed their license plate format.  It's been 123-AAA for as long as I can remember but now its 1ABCD2 with no spaces or anything.  I'm not fond of it at all. 

At least you don't have this Connecticut plate:

(http://i.imgur.com/fEwSJ4Z.jpg)

Yes, it's very real. My brother saw it in the lot of his work place! :D

On a side note, Connecticut finally allows 7-digit plates, but only if it's a vanity plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on November 09, 2013, 07:29:22 AM
With a 1ABCD2 format, that'll last for a good while before it's time for seven digits. I suspect you probably went a lead letter a year with the 123AAA, judging by the size of the state. Replacing 10 digits with 26 alphas will extend this series out accordingly.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on January 30, 2014, 02:56:13 PM
Sylvain Gaudreault, the Minister of Transportation of Québec, announced today that the province may start emitting vanity plates by September 2015.

Until then, I think that they're the only state in North America not offering them. Correct me if I'm wrong.

(English)
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+allow+drivers+vanity+license+plates/9450168/story.html
(French)
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201401/30/01-4734028-immatriculations-personnalisees-au-quebec.php

EDIT: Added article in English.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2014, 03:02:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/fEwSJ4Z.jpg)

Yes, it's very real. My brother saw it in the lot of his work place! :D

"Preserve The Sound" :-D

'Sweet Home Alabama' license plates to be phased out on Jan. 1 (http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/08/sweet_home_alabama_license_pla.html#incart_river)

The new general issue starting on January 1, 2014:

(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/pgmain/img/alphotos/photo/2013/08/-b2e37a1d436fa543.jpg)

isnt there another song that mentions Alabama that can be incorporated?  will there still be county codes

Seen three of these so far, and it seems the traditional county codes are intact.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on January 30, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
Sylvain Gaudreault, the Minister of Transportation of Québec, announced today that the province may start emitting vanity plates by September 2015.

Until then, I think that they're the only state in North America not offering them. Correct me if I'm wrong.

(In French only for now; the announcement was about an hour ago)
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201401/30/01-4734028-immatriculations-personnalisees-au-quebec.php

Wyoming barely does. Personalized plates still have the county number and bucking horse, so you're only allowed four characters. They must be pretty rare, I think. I had intended to tell you that Wyoming didn't allow them, because I don't recall ever seeing one in two years of living in Wyoming and 11 years of living in surrounding states.

https://www.dot.state.wy.us/home/titles_plates_registration/specialty_plates/Prestige_Plates.default.html
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: doogie1303 on January 31, 2014, 03:57:45 PM
I've noticed that Connecticut has changed their license plate format.  It's been 123-AAA for as long as I can remember but now its 1ABCD2 with no spaces or anything.  I'm not fond of it at all. 

At least you don't have this Connecticut plate:

(http://i.imgur.com/fEwSJ4Z.jpg)

Yes, it's very real. My brother saw it in the lot of his work place! :D

On a side note, Connecticut finally allows 7-digit plates, but only if it's a vanity plate.

I've seen FAP 1 in RI, my friend and I laughed ... but on a side are you sure about the 7-digit vanity restriction? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing some 7-digit vanity plates back in the 80's when they switched from the older AB-1234 style to the 123-ABC format.

If I can remember right from when I still lived there, the 6-digit restriction was for the specialty "preserve the sound" plates due to the fact they couldn't fit more than 6-digits with the lighthouse on the plate.

We have a similar situation in RI with the "Plum Beach Lighthouse" plates, except we are restricted to only 5-digits on the plate!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on February 04, 2014, 05:47:04 PM

From the UW Office of News and Information... (http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/11/26/redesigned-purple-uw-license-plates-now-available/)

"The newly designed University of Washington vehicle license plate is now available for sale from the state Department of Licensing. The new Husky plate design features a bold gold block “W” on a solid purple background."

(http://engage.washington.edu/images/content/pagebuilder/plate22611.jpg)

TO

(http://www.dol.wa.gov/images/UWplate.png)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 07, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
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Washington State will be offering new Seahawks and Sounders license plates for $40 beginning January 1, 2014, with proceeds going to three local charities.

Bet with the Super Bowl win, one of these sells VERY well this year!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 22, 2014, 11:12:16 PM
New Jersey is switching to "flat" digital plates across the board. They should be appearing on the road when the rest of the stamped plate inventory runs out. At least they don't seem to be using that terrible default 3M font on the plates. I'll miss the unique squared off dies NJ used though.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/About/MVC_Advisory_2014-04.pdf
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 23, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
New Jersey is switching to "flat" digital plates across the board. They should be appearing on the road when the rest of the stamped plate inventory runs out. At least they don't seem to be using that terrible default 3M font on the plates. I'll miss the unique squared off dies NJ used though.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/About/MVC_Advisory_2014-04.pdf

In the press release, it talks about a security mark. Do you know what that is?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 23, 2014, 02:05:40 PM
New Jersey is switching to "flat" digital plates across the board. They should be appearing on the road when the rest of the stamped plate inventory runs out. At least they don't seem to be using that terrible default 3M font on the plates. I'll miss the unique squared off dies NJ used though.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/About/MVC_Advisory_2014-04.pdf

In the press release, it talks about a security mark. Do you know what that is?

Depending on the lighting and angle when you look at the plate, there's a security mark that runs down at or near the center of the newer tags. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 23, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
In the press release, it talks about a security mark. Do you know what that is?

Its the 3M "Ensure Virtual Security Thread" that is seen on many state's plates.

http://barfety.com/of-license-plates-and-double-helix-strands/
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on April 25, 2014, 07:37:58 AM
In the press release, it talks about a security mark. Do you know what that is?

Its the 3M "Ensure Virtual Security Thread" that is seen on many state's plates.

http://barfety.com/of-license-plates-and-double-helix-strands/

I think I've seen that on Kansas plates…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: ski-man on April 25, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Wyoming plates have those as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tidecat on April 25, 2014, 08:57:19 PM
Kentucky and Missouri are double helix states as well-their plates are basically identical.

I actually did see a Nevada plate that read "10JQKA" once on I-5 in Northern California - that was long before the days of cell phone cameras, though.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Takumi on May 15, 2014, 04:22:48 PM
Ohio issues a brightly colored plate for DUI offenders (NSFW)
http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on May 15, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Ohio issues a brightly colored plate for DUI offenders (NSFW)
http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/

It's hard to take that guy's opinions seriously. Everytime an argument or bit of evidence is presented, it's embellished like a standup comedy routine.

Anyway, his main point seems to be that we shouldn't publicly mark people for "one little mistake" because of the resulting unfair stigma. But perhaps the better solution is to work to lessen that stigma.  You don't accomplish that by encouraging the stigmatized to hide.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
Ohio issues a brightly colored plate for DUI offenders (NSFW)
http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/

[H]is main point seems to be that we shouldn't publicly mark people for "one little mistake" because of the resulting unfair stigma. But perhaps the better solution is to work to lessen that stigma.  You don't accomplish that by encouraging the stigmatized to hide.

It seems like we are creating an issue where there doesn't need to be one. What exactly would this license plate solve? Is it contributing to society in a positive manner? Does it make it easier for cops to identify their new targets? Would John Doe drive out of his way to avoid DUI Dan? Would it prevent future DUIs? Would people no longer associate with you because you had a DUI once? Simply, the negatives far outweigh the positives.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 05:49:17 PM
But perhaps the better solution is to work to lessen that stigma. 

on the contrary, I'd love to have it raised.  drunk driving isn't a mistake; it's a conscious choice.  we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia.  drunk driving would be well served to go the way of the three-martini lunch.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
Does it make it easier for cops to identify their new targets?

hey, black people could use a break.

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Would John Doe drive out of his way to avoid DUI Dan?

that's actually a good public safety point.  I'd avoid DUI Dan because he's Distracted Donna, or Texting Ted, or Putting-on-Makeup Pat, i.e. his behaviors while driving make it obvious that being a safe road user is not his main priority.  the license plate wouldn't be relevant to me; but I can see myself avoiding Must-Get-Far-Away-From-DUI-Dan Mike.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
on the contrary, I'd love to have it raised.  drunk driving isn't a mistake; it's a conscious choice.  we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia.  drunk driving would be well served to go the way of the three-martini lunch.

Much like Gun-free zones and shootings, these license plates won't stop DUIs from occurring. Drunk driving is terrible, but this isn't the solution.

the license plate wouldn't be relevant to me; but I can see myself avoiding Must-Get-Far-Away-From-DUI-Dan Mike.

Precisely. And that would be my concern. They'll feel like people are consciously avoiding them, and then they'll just commit suicide fall into a deep depression because no one wants to associate with an apparent drunk (not where I'm from, at least).

Does it make it easier for cops to identify their new targets?

hey, black people could use a break.

Nevermind, you win.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on May 15, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

Ohio issues a brightly colored plate for DUI offenders (NSFW)
http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/

We've done that since the late 60s, I believe.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
Precisely. And that would be my concern. They'll feel like people are consciously avoiding them, and then they'll just commit suicide fall into a deep depression because no one wants to associate with an apparent drunk (not where I'm from, at least).

I mean on the road.  if people are staying out of my way and I am staying out of theirs, then I am the farthest thing away from deep depression.  thus, my concern is Vehicle A sees that Vehicle B (moving innocuously in the rightmost lane at 60mph) has the yellow plate; so Vehicle A violently swerves left and causes me to have to slam on my brakes to avoid him.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 06:52:29 PM
Precisely. And that would be my concern. They'll feel like people are consciously avoiding them, and then they'll just commit suicide fall into a deep depression because no one wants to associate with an apparent drunk (not where I'm from, at least).

I mean on the road.  if people are staying out of my way and I am staying out of theirs, then I am the farthest thing away from deep depression.  thus, my concern is Vehicle A sees that Vehicle B (moving innocuously in the rightmost lane at 60mph) has the yellow plate; so Vehicle A violently swerves left and causes me to have to slam on my brakes to avoid him.

My concern with the whole depression thing is when it extends to places like parking lots. A far fetched example indeed, but lets say you hook with a girl (or guy...not sure of your homophobic sexual preference) at a bar (ironic? I think not). You have a great time and decide to head back to your place. You two walk outside and he/she sees your car with the yellow license plate. Most likely, this won't cause an issue. But in some cases, this person could potentially end whatever relationship you have established thus far because of their...zero tolerance policy?

If this same situation continues to occur, DUI Dan will certainly become Depressed Dan. And we don't want to cause suicides.

Again, I know this is far fetched. Just take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
not sure of your homophobic sexual preference

generally straight.  hopefully not homophobic.  I had thought "we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia." would clearly identify where my beliefs lie.  apparently not?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
not sure of your homophobic sexual preference

generally straight.  hopefully not homophobic.  I had thought "we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia." would clearly identify where my beliefs lie.  apparently not?

That was part of a sentence I took 95% out. Forgot to delete "homophobic". Just "sexual preference" was what was supposed to be left.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
not sure of your homophobic sexual preference

generally straight.  hopefully not homophobic.  I had thought "we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia." would clearly identify where my beliefs lie.  apparently not?

That was part of a sentence I took 95% out. Forgot to delete "homophobic". Just "sexual preference" was what was supposed to be left.

ha!  out, out, damn typos.

I think my wife would be quite upset if I were picking up people of any gender at the local bar.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 08:04:54 PM
not sure of your homophobic sexual preference

generally straight.  hopefully not homophobic.  I had thought "we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia." would clearly identify where my beliefs lie.  apparently not?

That was part of a sentence I took 95% out. Forgot to delete "homophobic". Just "sexual preference" was what was supposed to be left.

ha!  out, out, damn typos.

I think my wife would be quite upset if I were picking up people of any gender at the local bar.

Oh good. I didn't offend you. Did I ever mention that people with more than 4000 posts genuinely frighten me? Can't anger them...they are the people you need to be on the good side with. I thought I almost lost the original Jake.

And yeah, I bet she would!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2014, 08:30:57 PM
ha ha you may offend me as you see fit!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on May 16, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
Is the plate for life?  I can digest this a little easier if it's temporary (a few years?) for first offenders, maybe graduated to permanent at stages beyond that.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on May 16, 2014, 01:59:27 AM
But perhaps the better solution is to work to lessen that stigma. 

on the contrary, I'd love to have it raised.  drunk driving isn't a mistake; it's a conscious choice.  we've made great strides against everything from public littering to homophobia.  drunk driving would be well served to go the way of the three-martini lunch.

I meant that comment to be taken as operating within the assertion by the blogger that a DUI is "one little mistake" and nothing more.  I actually think it's a big problem.  Either way, the blogger's logic is flawed.

How about this: purchase and consumption of alcohol should require an alcohol license.  Such a license would be trivial to obtain; take a brief test, pay a nominal fee, sit for a photo.  If you drive drunk, or otherwise risk injury or death to others due to alcohol intoxication, your alcohol license is suspended or revoked, in addition to whatever license may have been required for the thing you were doing drunk.  I think for some people this would be a more effective deterrant than the threat of losing one's driving license alone.

Anyway, I believe the point of the license plate is closely related to the driver's restricted driving privileges.  I've heard these drivers are only allowed to drive between home and work.  If such a vehicle is seen on the road outside of typical commuting hours, an officer may have "reasonable suspicion" to interrogate the driver to determine if he's violating the restrictions.  Of course, I recognize this can be problematic if the driver's job isn't a 9–5 office or industrial position.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on May 16, 2014, 02:18:44 AM
An "alcohol license" would be a minor inconvenience at best. Give your friend a $20, have him stock up on beer, drink at home. You just couldn't go to bars.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on May 16, 2014, 10:30:57 AM
An "alcohol license" would be a minor inconvenience at best. Give your friend a $20, have him stock up on beer, drink at home. You just couldn't go to bars.

And such a scheme would be just as illegal as buying beer for minors.  It would help, anyway.  A friend of mine recently failed to prevent her sister from driving home from a bar totally shitfaced.   Fortunately she made it home alive.

Oh yeah, and the privilege to park a car at a bar should be contingent on designating a driver who will not be allowed to drink at that bar…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: J N Winkler on May 16, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
Ohio issues a brightly colored plate for DUI offenders (NSFW)

http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/

It's hard to take that guy's opinions seriously. Everytime an argument or bit of evidence is presented, it's embellished like a standup comedy routine.

Anyway, his main point seems to be that we shouldn't publicly mark people for "one little mistake" because of the resulting unfair stigma. But perhaps the better solution is to work to lessen that stigma.  You don't accomplish that by encouraging the stigmatized to hide.

Agreed re. the embellishments--they are distracting.

Ohio is not the first state to introduce a DUI plate; Iowa has one, or used to have one (a not particularly well-referenced article suggests it has now been phased out (http://www.lifesafer.com/blog/dui-scarlet-letter-license-plate/)).

Before getting into the whole question of whether society should approach problem drinkers behind the wheel with a hard or soft edge, which leads too quickly to questions of personal preference that are unlikely to be resolved on a rational basis, I would much rather know this:  do DUI plates lead to a clear and statistically significant reduction in DUI arrests or injuries and fatalities due to DUI?  In terms of these measures of effectiveness and of cost, how does it compare with other steps that can be taken, such as vehicle impoundment (allowed in Washington) or mandatory installation of an ignition interlock?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on May 16, 2014, 01:31:29 PM
... I can digest this a little easier if it's temporary (a few years?) for first offenders, maybe graduated to permanent at stages beyond that.

Sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare...or a new reason to issue a ticket.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 06, 2014, 01:14:49 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

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California’s classic black and yellow license plates are making a comeback thanks to a local assemblyman.

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Rep. Mike Gatto (D-Los Angeles) gathered the 7,500 applications need to launch the return of the plates in record time.

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The plates were first issued to California vehicles from 1963 to 1969.

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As part of the Legacy License Plate Program, yellow plates with black lettering and blue plates with yellow lettering will also be available.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 06, 2014, 03:24:25 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

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The plates were first issued to California vehicles from 1963 to 1969.

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As part of the Legacy License Plate Program, yellow plates with black lettering and blue plates with yellow lettering will also be available.

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: briantroutman on June 06, 2014, 03:45:55 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.

This sucks. I think one of the most interesting things about California license plates is that the plates stay with the car and become a part of its history. You walk through a parking lot today and see an original, untouched  ’63 Volkswagen Beetle with the same yellow-on-black plate that was bolted on at Chick Iverson VW the day it was first sold. And when I first heard of this program, I thought it would be great that someone restoring an old ’64 1/2 Mustang or a ’71 Plymouth Valiant would be able to get an authentic plate for the year of the car.

But there’s absolutely no controls over which cars get what plates. Some idiot can an iconic ’60s plate for his “sweet” ’97 Eagle Talon...?! Destroys the mystique of the old plates, in my opinion.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 06, 2014, 03:49:33 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.

This sucks. I think one of the most interesting things about California license plates is that the plates stay with the car and become a part of its history. You walk through a parking lot today and see an original, untouched  ’63 Volkswagen Beetle with the same yellow-on-black plate that was bolted on at Chick Iverson VW the day it was first sold. And when I first heard of this program, I thought it would be great that someone restoring an old ’64 1/2 Mustang or a ’71 Plymouth Valiant would be able to get an authentic plate for the year of the car.

But there’s absolutely no controls over which cars get what plates. Some idiot can an iconic ’60s plate for his “sweet” ’97 Eagle Talon...?! Destroys the mystique of the old plates, in my opinion.

I didn't really think about that. Good point, however.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 06, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
^^^ I somewhat agree with you but,

I am going to buy a yellow on black plate for my 2007 Mustang, because it is very similar looking to a 1969 Mustang
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 07, 2014, 12:40:03 AM
^^^ I somewhat agree with you but,

I am going to buy a yellow on black plate for my 2007 Mustang, because it is very similar looking to a 1969 Mustang

I would imagine there's a large number of people with retro-looking cars (like the present gen Challenger and Camaro, maybe even Mustang) that will opt for the classic plates, just so they can be sure everyone else knows they are having a midlife crisis.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 07, 2014, 01:41:49 PM
^^^
Really?  Is that why I am doing this?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 07, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
^^^
Really?  Is that why I am doing this?

 :-D  I'm joking.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on June 07, 2014, 05:46:00 PM
So what are the new Ohio plates supposed to look like or is it unveiled yet?

(http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/vote2.jpg)


I saw the new Ohio license plate for the first time in Colorado the other day...Well, sort of:

(http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Ohio4/oh2013temp.jpg)

I have never seen such a fancy temporary tag before.  Prior to the latest permanent OH tags, their temp tags looked something like this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/2001_OH_temporary_tag.jpg)



Oh wow. That is a not a bad license plate at all.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on June 12, 2014, 05:40:12 PM
In april 2014 Nj started issuing flat license plates for regular bases.

Before:
(http://moini.net/njplates/l12-eds.jpg)
After:
(http://moini.net/njplates/a40-eff.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 12, 2014, 05:48:10 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.

This sucks. I think one of the most interesting things about California license plates is that the plates stay with the car and become a part of its history.

That's not interesting IMHO, that's just old, illegible, and rusty.  The plates should stay with the owner, IMHO, and be changed out every 5 to 10 years or so to keep them legible and reflective.  It's kind of fun to see a new car with an old number (AAA ###) and an old car with a new number (A ### ###).  You know when they 1) got their plates, and 2) bought the car or moved into the state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 12, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.

This sucks. I think one of the most interesting things about California license plates is that the plates stay with the car and become a part of its history.

That's not interesting IMHO, that's just old, illegible, and rusty.  The plates should stay with the owner, IMHO, and be changed out every 5 to 10 years or so to keep them legible and reflective.  It's kind of fun to see a new car with an old number (AAA ###) and an old car with a new number (A ### ###).  You know when they 1) got their plates, and 2) bought the car or moved into the state.

I'm admittedly getting tired of suggesting a more...Limey approach, but why not just keep the same license plate the whole length of the vehicle? There would have to be some adjustments in taxes because I am fully aware that registration renewal is a major source of income.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on June 12, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
That's not interesting IMHO, that's just old, illegible, and rusty.  The plates should stay with the owner, IMHO, and be changed out every 5 to 10 years or so to keep them legible and reflective.  It's kind of fun to see a new car with an old number (AAA ###) and an old car with a new number (A ### ###).  You know when they 1) got their plates, and 2) bought the car or moved into the state.
IMO brand new plates on an old car (and vice-versa) just looks plain wrong.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on June 12, 2014, 09:01:57 PM
That's not interesting IMHO, that's just old, illegible, and rusty.  The plates should stay with the owner, IMHO, and be changed out every 5 to 10 years or so to keep them legible and reflective.  It's kind of fun to see a new car with an old number (AAA ###) and an old car with a new number (A ### ###).  You know when they 1) got their plates, and 2) bought the car or moved into the state.
IMO brand new plates on an old car (and vice-versa) just looks plain wrong.

Arizona switched from the California model to the normal model a few years ago, so you see random brand new cars with 1980s license plates now that had been on the owner's old car until they sold it. It looks really weird.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on June 12, 2014, 10:09:53 PM
Here's one I'd never seen before. Spotted this morning.....in Bonita Springs, Florida.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/86C90F0A-EB74-43AE-A18C-639C3D91033B_zpsusp6lrau.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 14, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
KNX Radio: Retro Calif. License Plates Returning To The Road (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/06/retro-calif-license-plates-returning-to-the-road/)

Are they going to require the car to be a collector's vehicle? If not, that's awesome. Makes customizing a car that much cooler.

This sucks. I think one of the most interesting things about California license plates is that the plates stay with the car and become a part of its history.

That's not interesting IMHO, that's just old, illegible, and rusty.  The plates should stay with the owner, IMHO, and be changed out every 5 to 10 years or so to keep them legible and reflective.  It's kind of fun to see a new car with an old number (AAA ###) and an old car with a new number (A ### ###).  You know when they 1) got their plates, and 2) bought the car or moved into the state.

I'm admittedly getting tired of suggesting a more...Limey approach, but why not just keep the same license plate the whole length of the vehicle? There would have to be some adjustments in taxes because I am fully aware that registration renewal is a major source of income.

I'll politely disagree, and you'll understand when you buy a car and get title and registration as to why keeping your plates is far superior.  You paid for that registration, not the guy you're selling the car to, and you should continue to use that registration instead of having to pay a new fee for a new one.  A transfer fee is far cheaper than a new registration.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 15, 2014, 02:35:50 AM
I'm having trouble understanding what the fuss is about. In Ohio you pay an annual registration fee.  You pay that same fee every year, for each car you own.  When you buy a car, I don't think it matters whether you reuse the plate from a car you've recently sold, or if you let the BMV hand you a new plate from the top of their stack.  (License plates and registration don't stay with the car that's changing ownership.)  Usually, a car that isn't with its first owner will be older than its license plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on June 15, 2014, 11:37:44 AM
I'll politely disagree, and you'll understand when you buy a car and get title and registration as to why keeping your plates is far superior.  You paid for that registration, not the guy you're selling the car to, and you should continue to use that registration instead of having to pay a new fee for a new one.  A transfer fee is far cheaper than a new registration.
That assumes you sell the car.  I keep cars until they die.

Plus old rusted out plates on a shiny new car just looks UGLY.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on June 15, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
I have watched many episodes of Parking Wars, and never quite understood how some people's cars in Philadelphia could be booted & towed for having too many unpaid tickets.  Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on June 15, 2014, 01:58:36 PM
I'll politely disagree, and you'll understand when you buy a car and get title and registration as to why keeping your plates is far superior.  You paid for that registration, not the guy you're selling the car to, and you should continue to use that registration instead of having to pay a new fee for a new one.  A transfer fee is far cheaper than a new registration.
That assumes you sell the car.  I keep cars until they die.

Plus old rusted out plates on a shiny new car just looks UGLY.

In Virginia you can have your same old plate number re-issued on a new pair of plates (there's probably a fee). My mother has had the same plate number since 1980, but my dad got her new standard-issue plates with the same number a few years back because the old ones were just beat-up and worn-looking and he didn't want to put them on her new car. It kind of looks funny because current-issue Virginia plates use three letters and four numbers (such as ABC-1234) but her plate number date to the three-and-three era (such as HPK-280). Her having new plates with the old number makes it look like she has inexplicable personalized plates.

I assume other states would allow the same thing. After all, plates can get damaged.

If you sell your car to someone from out of state, the DMV will issue temporary plates and a "transfer permit."

The only times I've bought a used car through a private transaction the plate thing was not an issue because both times I knew the seller quite well and I kept the old plates on the car until I'd been to the DMV.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 15, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
I'll politely disagree, and you'll understand when you buy a car and get title and registration as to why keeping your plates is far superior.  You paid for that registration, not the guy you're selling the car to, and you should continue to use that registration instead of having to pay a new fee for a new one.  A transfer fee is far cheaper than a new registration.
That assumes you sell the car.  I keep cars until they die.

Plus old rusted out plates on a shiny new car just looks UGLY.

If your state changes plates every so often (every five to ten years or so), it's a non-issue.  You are required to change them to the new design.  They are not ever supposed to get rusty.  The recent Illinois ones had a bad batch (2001 through 2003) that are under recall and they can and will be swapped out for free.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: froggie on June 15, 2014, 05:59:32 PM
In Vermont, the bill that Gov. Shumlin signed last Thursday banning the use of handheld cell phones while driving included a provision under which vehicle owners can keep their "Vermont Strong" front license plates on their vehicles until 6/30/2016.  Previously, the Vermont Strong plates were to expire at the end of this month.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on June 15, 2014, 07:42:46 PM

I'll politely disagree, and you'll understand when you buy a car and get title and registration as to why keeping your plates is far superior.  You paid for that registration, not the guy you're selling the car to, and you should continue to use that registration instead of having to pay a new fee for a new one.  A transfer fee is far cheaper than a new registration.
That assumes you sell the car.  I keep cars until they die.

Plus old rusted out plates on a shiny new car just looks UGLY.

The length of time between car purchase and car "death" (really, a non-event except in the case if destruction) can vary greatly.  Some cars last three years, some a dozen. 

I keep my old plates because, really, who the hell cares what my license plates look like?  One less detail to bother with in an already overcomplicated transaction. 
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on June 15, 2014, 08:26:00 PM
If your state changes plates every so often (every five to ten years or so), it's a non-issue.  You are required to change them to the new design.  They are not ever supposed to get rusty.  The recent Illinois ones had a bad batch (2001 through 2003) that are under recall and they can and will be swapped out for free.
New York hasn't required anyone to change plates ever since the liberty plates were replaced by the Empire (blue) plates in the late 90s.  When the plates on my car were replaced (due to transferring the title from Mom to me), the old ones had rust around the screw holes (in fact, the front screws had to be replaced entirely), and the old front plate was slightly bent around the edges and had salt corrosion dulling the paint.  The state wanted to force everyone to switch to the Empire Gold plates (for a $25 fee, even more to keep the same plate number), but was forced to back down, in part because the new plates are so ugly.

I keep my old plates because, really, who the hell cares what my license plates look like?  One less detail to bother with in an already overcomplicated transaction. 
You don't care about what the exterior of your car looks like?  Plates are a part of that.

I have watched many episodes of Parking Wars, and never quite understood how some people's cars in Philadelphia could be booted & towed for having too many unpaid tickets.  Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
I don't understand it either.  The state knows when you change cars.  They should switch the tickets to the new car.
Title: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on June 15, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
I keep my old plates because, really, who the hell cares what my license plates look like?  One less detail to bother with in an already overcomplicated transaction. 
You don't care about what the exterior of your car looks like?  Plates are a part of that.

I'm glad that I keep something 18 years old in very good working order and able to carry an inordinate amount of crap around daily.  Given all that, it looks pretty damn good.  So no, I don't care what the plates look like as long as they pass inspection.  Driving through snowbanks pretty much mashes the front one up every year, so it's a lost cause anyway.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 15, 2014, 08:59:40 PM
If your state changes plates every so often (every five to ten years or so), it's a non-issue.  You are required to change them to the new design.  They are not ever supposed to get rusty.  The recent Illinois ones had a bad batch (2001 through 2003) that are under recall and they can and will be swapped out for free.
New York hasn't required anyone to change plates ever since the liberty plates were replaced by the Empire (blue) plates in the late 90s.  When the plates on my car were replaced (due to transferring the title from Mom to me), the old ones had rust around the screw holes (in fact, the front screws had to be replaced entirely), and the old front plate was slightly bent around the edges and had salt corrosion dulling the paint.  The state wanted to force everyone to switch to the Empire Gold plates (for a $25 fee, even more to keep the same plate number), but was forced to back down, in part because the new plates are so ugly.

Illinois does require you to change plates when the new ones are issued.  It's amazing that a state like New York does not.  There should be one type of standard plate (other than supporting this or that charity/school or the upgrade like the bridge plate in Michigan) for the state (HTF does California keep track with all the old, rusty types of plates they have!?!).  Any older plates should be removed and replaced.  They lose their reflectivity after a while and can no longer be seen adequately at night.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on June 15, 2014, 11:38:46 PM

In Vermont, the bill that Gov. Shumlin signed last Thursday banning the use of handheld cell phones while driving included a provision under which vehicle owners can keep their "Vermont Strong" front license plates on their vehicles until 6/30/2016.  Previously, the Vermont Strong plates were to expire at the end of this month.

Contrast this with Massachusetts, where pre-1987 plates can be passed down in families and are exempt from the current front-plate requirement.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 16, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
I have watched many episodes of Parking Wars, and never quite understood how some people's cars in Philadelphia could be booted & towed for having too many unpaid tickets.  Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
I don't understand it either.  The state knows when you change cars.  They should switch the tickets to the new car.

They might know when you change cars, but they aren't necessarily sure that you received the ticket. What if the car wasn't in your possession when the parking infraction was given? They can't (in Washington) automatically assume the registered owner is responsible. You can just say it wasn't you and -- POOF -- ticket tossed.

Also, the new car didn't receive the tickets, so it would seem strange to transfer the tickets to the car that didn't recieve them. I know the logic is there, but the implementation sounds messy.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 16, 2014, 02:14:44 PM
I have watched many episodes of Parking Wars, and never quite understood how some people's cars in Philadelphia could be booted & towed for having too many unpaid tickets.
Philly isn't the only city that does such.  IIRC, the boot was originally referred to as the Denver Boot due to that's where the practice of booting a car for multiple unpaid parking tickets originated decades ago.

Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
As one who has had 5 vehicles registered in PA (not too far from Philly) over the last 23 years; I am going to respectfully say that the above-statement has some serious holes in it and is absolutely untrue.

Fact: If one buys a used car, be it from a dealer or a private sale, and needs/wants a PA plate (vs. transferring the buyer's existing PA plate to the newly-purchased vehicle); the plate & registration number is a brand new registration & plate complete w/a little T (for Temporary) sticker placed where the standard registration sticker would go (upper-left corner).  That being the case; the above scenario simply can not nor does not happen.  The registration/plate either stays with the owner or is invalidated/expired by PennDOT when it is not renewed. 

Given that Parking Wars is a "reality" TV show that thrives on sensationalism and confrontations for ratings; something tells me that the described situation is likely scripted for shock & awe.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 16, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
As one who has had 5 vehicles registered in PA (not too far from Philly) over the last 23 years; I am going to respectfully say that the above-statement has some serious holes in it and is absolutely untrue.

Fact: If one buys a used car, be it from a dealer or a private sale, and needs/wants a PA plate (vs. transferring the buyer's existing PA plate to the newly-purchased vehicle); the plate & registration number is a brand new registration & plate complete w/a little T (for Temporary) sticker placed where the standard registration sticker would go (upper-left corner).  That being the case; the above scenario simply can not nor does not happen.  The registration/plate either stays with the owner or is invalidated/expired by PennDOT when it is not renewed. 

Yeah... I was kind of wondering what this "Plate stays with the car" law was in reference to.  All 4 of my used cars (from both dealers & individuals) came with new plates and registration as well.   If there is some sort of "plate stays with the car" as an allowable option, I don't know who would want to do it - even to save money - for the kind of reason being discussed.  It is possible to transfer your old plate to your "new" car, but the one time I was hoping to do that I didn't have necessary documents with me (either the registration and/or title).

Also, for the last couple of years, instead of a "T" sticker on the plate, you have to display some information in your rear-windshield until your registration comes thru.  (at least back in 2006)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 16, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
NJ will issue replacement plates for any current number you may have for a fee. So there are plenty of numbers that were issued in the blue plate era that are on the current base. Back in 1992 when they released the current base, they allowed one to swap out to the new plates with the same number for free for a limited time.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 16, 2014, 04:23:33 PM
Now I get it.  PA's "plate stays with the car" law can really screw some law-abiding citizens who buy used cars from people who disregard the law.  Is there a way for people buying used cars to see in advance what tickets (if any) are attached to the car?  And do those unsuspecting buyers have any good clear recourse in suing the previous owner?
As one who has had 5 vehicles registered in PA (not too far from Philly) over the last 23 years; I am going to respectfully say that the above-statement has some serious holes in it and is absolutely untrue.

Fact: If one buys a used car, be it from a dealer or a private sale, and needs/wants a PA plate (vs. transferring the buyer's existing PA plate to the newly-purchased vehicle); the plate & registration number is a brand new registration & plate complete w/a little T (for Temporary) sticker placed where the standard registration sticker would go (upper-left corner).  That being the case; the above scenario simply can not nor does not happen.  The registration/plate either stays with the owner or is invalidated/expired by PennDOT when it is not renewed. 

Yeah... I was kind of wondering what this "Plate stays with the car" law was in reference to.  All 4 of my used cars (from both dealers & individuals) came with new plates and registration as well.   If there is some sort of "plate stays with the car" as an allowable option, I don't know who would want to do it - even to save money - for the kind of reason being discussed.  It is possible to transfer your old plate to your "new" car, but the one time I was hoping to do that I didn't have necessary documents with me (either the registration and/or title).

When I purchased my first car (private purchase), the title was transferred to me and the plate did not change. This occurred in Washington. As I remember, "certified" used cars purchased at dealers do not have plates and need to be registered at the local licencing office. However, there are occasions where used car lots have the old plates and those end up getting transferred to the new owner in place of a fresh title. I'm not quite sure what the law is in regards to this, however, I know my car has had the same plate for three owners.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 16, 2014, 04:25:55 PM
Also, for the last couple of years, instead of a "T" sticker on the plate, you have to display some information in your rear-windshield until your registration comes thru.  (at least back in 2006)
Now that I think of it; when I bought my Mustang back in August of 2007; it came with a temporary display for the rear window.  That was the last time I purchased a vehicle and/or got a new plate.  My previous vehicle purchase that also warranted a new plate (where I live, I can't park my current/old vehicle without a plate on it (I was selling the car vs. trading it in), hence why I did not do a registration transfer) was back in Nov. of '96 and had the T sticker.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 16, 2014, 04:40:01 PM
When I purchased my first car (private purchase), the title was transferred to me and the plate did not change. This occurred in Washington. As I remember, "certified" used cars purchased at dealers do not have plates and need to be registered at the local licencing office. However, there are occasions where used car lots have the old plates and those end up getting transferred to the new owner in place of a fresh title. I'm not quite sure what the law is in regards to this, however, I know my car has had the same plate for three owners.
The 2nd car I purchased, back in Sept. of 1993, from a private individual and we just went to a tag place and bought a new registration/plate.

I find the above-situation you're describing legally questionable at best; outright shady/illegal at worst.   Transferring the same plate from owner-to-owner (that aren't even family members) long-term is not a good idea IMHO; unless such a provision is intended to be used as a temporary means of transferring the vehicle over to the new owner until new plates can be secured (at a tag agency, AAA or where-ever).  In most instances, the tag agency will need to see the vehicle to verify the VIN and one can't drive the vehicle to the place without a valid plate/tag on it.

IIRC, in MA; one can temporary place an active license plate on a car (privided that the registration number is indeed their own) and drive it for 2 to 3 days prior to going to the RMV and finalizing the paperwork and either transferring the existing registration to the different vehicle (if it was purchase for a trade-in) or a new plate altogether.  Note: such was true through the 90s; I'm sure if it's still valid/current.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 16, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
When I purchased my first car (private purchase), the title was transferred to me and the plate did not change. This occurred in Washington. As I remember, "certified" used cars purchased at dealers do not have plates and need to be registered at the local licencing office. However, there are occasions where used car lots have the old plates and those end up getting transferred to the new owner in place of a fresh title. I'm not quite sure what the law is in regards to this, however, I know my car has had the same plate for three owners.
The 2nd car I purchased, back in Sept. of 1993, from a private individual and we just went to a tag place and bought a new registration/plate.

I find the above-situation you're describing legally questionable at best; outright shady/illegal at worst.   Transferring the same plate from owner-to-owner (that aren't even family members) long-term is not a good idea IMHO; unless such a provision is intended to be used as a temporary means of transferring the vehicle over to the new owner until new plates can be secured (at a tag agency, AAA or where-ever).  In most instances, the tag agency will need to see the vehicle to verify the VIN and one can't drive the vehicle to the place without a valid plate/tag on it.

IIRC, in MA; one can temporary place an active license plate on a car (privided that the registration number is indeed their own) and drive it for 2 to 3 days prior to going to the RMV and finalizing the paperwork and either transferring the existing registration to the different vehicle (if it was purchase for a trade-in) or a new plate altogether.  Note: such was true through the 90s; I'm sure if it's still valid/current.

From what I've read and seen, the only reason you get new plates in Washington is when the 7 year lifespan ends, when the are damaged, or if they are stolen.

Also, I did a little looking around my house and what I've previously described is wrong. I got a new title, but the plate number was transferred to me. Sorry for the confusion.  :-D  The car I drive was the first used car my family had ever purchased, so the whole process was mind blowing and rather confusing.

Oh, and I still have the registration from the previous owner. Probably should throw that away?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on June 29, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
IIRC, in MA; one can temporary place an active license plate on a car (privided that the registration number is indeed their own) and drive it for 2 to 3 days prior to going to the RMV and finalizing the paperwork and either transferring the existing registration to the different vehicle (if it was purchase for a trade-in) or a new plate altogether.  Note: such was true through the 90s; I'm sure if it's still valid/current.

Correct.  Three business days.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 15, 2014, 05:56:40 PM
Probably long-since asked (and admittedly not "news")—what's the motivation for putting county names on plates in some states?  Simply an excuse for police to try the "Long ways from home, ain't ya?" routine?

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on July 16, 2014, 07:01:25 AM
Probably long-since asked (and admittedly not "news")—what's the motivation for putting county names on plates in some states?  Simply an excuse for police to try the "Long ways from home, ain't ya?" routine?



At least in some of those states, the county has a role in the process.  For example, in Kentucky the elected County Clerk and elected Circuit Clerk split the DL and tag process between them (I never can remember which is which) rather than dealing with a state run DMV office for both as in most states.  Similar in Tennessee.

In others the registration includes a county tax that varies greatly from place to place.

But, yes, I think mostly it is just to identify people "not from around here".  You will not that it is mostly states where the local culture will vary greatly among regions.

Playing lists, I count Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, Indiana, Mississippi, and Florida as spelling out the county name in full on standard plates.  Ohio went from that to a sticker with each county numbered a few years ago.  Alabama and Nebraska indicate the county in the number itself in some way, while Virginia has a county or city tax sticker that goes next to its (weirdly and distractingly in the milddle of the windshield) inspection sticker.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on July 16, 2014, 08:58:58 AM
^^ You can add Iowa to the list of plates with a county name sticker on them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2014, 09:42:04 AM
.... while Virginia has a county or city tax sticker that goes next to its (weirdly and distractingly in the milddle of the windshield) inspection sticker.

Many counties and cities have done away with the county sticker. Here in Fairfax County we pay the fee for the sticker (they call it a "county registration fee") but we no longer have to display a sticker. For the first few years after they stopped issuing them, I kept my old county stickers on my cars so that if I drove into the City of Alexandria they'd see I was from Fairfax County and not give me a ticket for not having the decal, since Alexandria continued to require the city decal (and they still do).

The inspection sticker isn't distracting at all if you're used to it. Since I've always had Virginia plates, the vast majority of my driving has been in cars with the Virginia inspection sticker. I've never noticed it at all. The sticker that WAS found to be distracting, and was discontinued, was in the very early 1980s there was an emissions inspection decal that was to go on the lower left (driver's side) corner of the windshield. That was quickly scrapped. Emissions results are now sent electronically to the DMV.

But anyway, returning to the question of license plates with the county name: So I gather in those states if you move to another county, you have to get new license plates. Can you get the same plate number re-issued with the new county name or do they divide that up as well (no doubt this may vary by state, unless you have a personalized tag)? How about if you get a non-county design, such as the standard-design Florida plate that says "Sunshine State" instead of the county name?

It just seems far more complicated and costly than it needs to be to issue county-specific license plates as the standard. The Virginia county sticker system is a lot cheaper and easier because you just scrape off the sticker and put on a new one if your jurisdiction(s) require them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on July 16, 2014, 09:49:51 AM
^^ In GA, if you switch counties, you just get a new county sticker to put on your plate.  If you don't want to have your county shown you can instead show your religious affirmation by placing a "In God We Trust" sticker over the county name.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on July 16, 2014, 11:00:26 AM

^^ In GA, if you switch counties, you just get a new county sticker to put on your plate.  If you don't want to have your county shown you can instead show your religious affirmation by placing a "In God We Trust" sticker over the county name.

Florida does the same - I'm not sure if you can still pick "Sunshine State" in place of your county, either.

Slightly off topic, I bought a new plate upon moving to Alabama ten months ago. Instead of keeping my perfectly good "old style" plate, they want everyone to get new ones before the year is out. At least I can keep our old ones, but it's wasteful nonsense.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2014, 11:02:51 AM

^^ In GA, if you switch counties, you just get a new county sticker to put on your plate.  If you don't want to have your county shown you can instead show your religious affirmation by placing a "In God We Trust" sticker over the county name.

Florida does the same - I'm not sure if you can still pick "Sunshine State" in place of your county, either.

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Wait, I don't follow here. Florida plates I've seen with the county name pretty much always have the county name embossed in the plate as raised characters (so, for example, if your plate had raised characters for plate number "ABC-123," underneath that on the bottom edge it might have raised characters reading, say, "BREVARD"). Are you saying if you move to another county they just give you a sticker to apply over the embossed county name? It's the embossed nature of it that had me puzzled and thinking you'd have to get new plates issued.


Edited to add: From what I found on the Florida DMV's website (or whatever they call their DMV....a Google search led me there), you can still get "Sunshine State." See brochure: http://www.flhsmv.gov/html/tagbrochure.pdf  But it doesn't answer my question about moving to a different county if you get the county-name plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on July 16, 2014, 11:06:44 AM
But anyway, returning to the question of license plates with the county name: So I gather in those states if you move to another county, you have to get new license plates. Can you get the same plate number re-issued with the new county name or do they divide that up as well (no doubt this may vary by state, unless you have a personalized tag)? How about if you get a non-county design, such as the standard-design Florida plate that says "Sunshine State" instead of the county name?

I think in Ohio you can just wait until your birthday to renew your registration in the new county, then you get new county stickers to place atop the old ones on your existing license plate.  (Even the spelled-out county name was a sticker in Ohio, at least in the gold-gradient era.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2014, 11:15:36 AM

^^ In GA, if you switch counties, you just get a new county sticker to put on your plate.  If you don't want to have your county shown you can instead show your religious affirmation by placing a "In God We Trust" sticker over the county name.

Florida does the same - I'm not sure if you can still pick "Sunshine State" in place of your county, either.

Slightly off topic, I bought a new plate upon moving to Alabama ten months ago. Instead of keeping my perfectly good "old style" plate, they want everyone to get new ones before the year is out. At least I can keep our old ones, but it's wasteful nonsense.

Florida used to have the very popular "Lease County".

We've had to switch out plates in some states (such as Illinois) for a long time now when a new design comes out.  Usually the reflectivity on the old ones is gone.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 16, 2014, 11:30:37 AM
The sticker that WAS found to be distracting (in Virginia), and was discontinued, was in the very early 1980s there was an emissions inspection decal that was to go on the lower left (driver's side) corner of the windshield. That was quickly scrapped.

Since this is where many states with inspection stickers places their inspection sticker, how was it determined to be distracting?  It's so low and out of the way I never even give it a second thought.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2014, 11:40:00 AM
The sticker that WAS found to be distracting (in Virginia), and was discontinued, was in the very early 1980s there was an emissions inspection decal that was to go on the lower left (driver's side) corner of the windshield. That was quickly scrapped.

Since this is where many states with inspection stickers places their inspection sticker, how was it determined to be distracting?  It's so low and out of the way I never even give it a second thought.

I don't remember, but I assume it was for the same reason I don't find the Virginia inspection sticker distracting but "SP Cook" does—people weren't used to it and kept noticing it out of the corner of their eye, whereas we're used to the inspection sticker. Of course, that begs the question of why the Commonwealth didn't just tell everyone to piss off because they'd get used to it soon enough.

(Edited to add: I just tried to find the information online and failed, but I did find the emissions inspection program—which applies only to certain counties and cities—was instituted in 1982, the same year when the safety inspection was changed from twice a year to the current once a year. So the decal I'm recalling would have been issued around that time. I know it was long gone by 1989, when I first got a driver's license.)
Title: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on July 16, 2014, 01:29:23 PM
But it doesn't answer my question about moving to a different county if you get the county-name plate.

I've moved to different counties within Florida; there was no requirement to get new plates because the county was different.


Florida used to have the very popular "Lease County".

We also had "Restricted", "Permanent Trailer", and my favorite..."Indefinite" counties. That last one is tough to clinch. ;)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2014, 01:30:48 PM

But it doesn't answer my question about moving to a different county if you get the county-name plate.

I've moved to different counties within Florida; there was no requirement to get new plates because the county was different.

We also had "Restricted", "Permanent Trailer", and my favorite "Indefinite" counties... ;)

Thanks. That then raises the next question: Why have county-name plates if they don't necessarily reflect the county in which you live?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on July 16, 2014, 01:35:18 PM
Well, I suppose the yearly registration sticker probably included a county fee, or some portion of it went to your county of residence. Just a guess...not sure.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on July 16, 2014, 04:54:49 PM

But anyway, returning to the question of license plates with the county name: So I gather in those states if you move to another county, you have to get new license plates. Can you get the same plate number re-issued with the new county name or do they divide that up as well (no doubt this may vary by state, unless you have a personalized tag)? How about if you get a non-county design, such as the standard-design Florida plate that says "Sunshine State" instead of the county name?

I think in Ohio you can just wait until your birthday to renew your registration in the new county, then you get new county stickers to place atop the old ones on your existing license plate.  (Even the spelled-out county name was a sticker in Ohio, at least in the gold-gradient era.)
Also, since ohio can't be bothered to replace any of the old plates, you'll sometimes see an old gold plate with the county name AND the new white-on-red number on the same plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on July 16, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
Some counties in NY (downstate) have an additional tax on the registration fee yet we don't display the county name on the regular plates.  I'm very glad we don't have that.  If you're clinching a road in a bad part of town, you do NOT want your license plates to say you're not from the area!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on July 16, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
There are still quite a few Colorado plates with the county name embossed on them in the wild.  Not sure when or for how long these were issued, but the "periwinkle"-colored plates have a different Colorado logo than the current state plate logo.  I would love to get a set of these plates on my car. :biggrin:

(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mE-q5jVXazssyRmwtv_0ZrQ.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on July 17, 2014, 01:35:04 AM
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mE-q5jVXazssyRmwtv_0ZrQ.jpg)

I usually don't like older plates but I really adore that one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on July 18, 2014, 02:57:57 AM
Nevada has county taxes as part of vehicle registrations (which vary by county, with bigger counties even having supplemental government services taxes that also vary), but no sticker or county name on the license plate. Our old standard plate numbering scheme (phased out prior to 1982) used letters in the plate number to identify counties--Clark County (where Vegas is located) clearly made that sequence inefficient years ago.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on July 18, 2014, 03:20:57 AM
Playing lists, I count Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, Indiana, Mississippi, and Florida as spelling out the county name in full on standard plates.

Kansas does not spell the county name in full. Instead, it uses a two-letter county code sticker in the corner of its plates (Wyandotte County is WY, Johnson is JO, Sedgwick is SG, etc.)

Prior to the Oklahoma license plate refresh in 2007, the county was encoded in the license plate number by virtue of particular alpha ranges being reserved for counties. This was by no means straightforward; while some of the codes, like MLA through MLD for McClain County, made sense, but others less so, like pretty much every three-letter string starting with X for Oklahoma County. The current plate uses sequential codes, but law enforcement complained about the loss of county information, so new plates issued now have a Kansas-style county code printed on the date sticker (instead of "DEC" a Cleveland County plate will say "12 CL"). As of yet, I have not found a definitive list online of the new county codes, though they seem to follow the old ones somewhat (McClain is now ML).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: tdindy88 on July 18, 2014, 08:41:31 AM

Playing lists, I count Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, Indiana, Mississippi, and Florida as spelling out the county name in full on standard plates.  Ohio went from that to a sticker with each county numbered a few years ago.  Alabama and Nebraska indicate the county in the number itself in some way, while Virginia has a county or city tax sticker that goes next to its (weirdly and distractingly in the milddle of the windshield) inspection sticker.



You can count Indiana OUT of that list. We did have the county name along with the number for five years on the previous plates, but the new plates (which everyone must get every five years) only features the county number in the corner (printed on the plate, not a sticker.) All specialty plates and the always "popular" In God We Trust plates feature the county number in the same location. You have to know the code to figure out where the vehicle is from. I hail from 49.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: ski-man on July 18, 2014, 05:18:14 PM
Wyoming does not spell out the county name but does use the county number before the bucking cowboy figure on all plates. Fun to drive through the state and see where evryone is from, or if you see them out of state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Road Hog on July 19, 2014, 02:15:04 AM
I lived in Oklahoma before sequential numbering. I remember Lawton got the letter U.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on July 25, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
There are still quite a few Colorado plates with the county name embossed on them in the wild.  Not sure when or for how long these were issued, but the "periwinkle"-colored plates have a different Colorado logo than the current state plate logo.  I would love to get a set of these plates on my car. :biggrin:

(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mE-q5jVXazssyRmwtv_0ZrQ.jpg)
Issued in the late 1990s, those were the second iteration of the "designer" plate replaced by the current design in 2001. The original design was a six-character version with the colors reversed (blue on white). In addition to bearing the county name, the two letters were also drawn from the two-letter county-letters combination list; i.e., JB is an El Paso County license combination from the pre-2001 issued plates. Ironically, the plates from that series issued to trucks had only one letter, which did not correspond to any pre-existing list of letter combinations issued to counties, but at the bottom it only said "TRUCK". Thus, you couldn't tell what county a truck was from using the old county-letter combination lists.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on July 26, 2014, 01:04:12 AM
You're correct those truck plates didn't follow the existing county system, but there was a very basic system in place.  What blows my mind is some counties were allocated 50 truck plates!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/uja4utan.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on August 29, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on August 30, 2014, 12:50:13 AM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.

Very sad to hear of its replacement...I've always admired the simplicity of Delaware's license plates. Definitely a favorite of mine, right behind the new Ohio plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: oscar on August 30, 2014, 01:19:05 AM
Not particularly "news", but I've just posted elsewhere in this forum some of my photos of new and old Nunavut and Northwest Territories plates (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13360.0).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: catch22 on October 11, 2014, 05:55:54 PM
After only one year, Michigan has revised its Mackinac Bridge speciality plate after complaints about legibility in dim light conditions:

http://fox17online.com/2014/10/09/state-switches-color-of-text-on-bridge-plate/

The old white-character design is just about impossible to read at night if the plate has any dirt on it at all.

(http://www.michigan.gov/images/sos/Bridge-Plate_432239_7.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: renegade on October 11, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
After only one year, Michigan has revised its Mackinac Bridge speciality plate after complaints about legibility in dim light conditions:

http://fox17online.com/2014/10/09/state-switches-color-of-text-on-bridge-plate/

The old white-character design is just about impossible to read at night if the plate has any dirt on it at all.

(http://www.michigan.gov/images/sos/Bridge-Plate_432239_7.jpg)

I've only seen one of these out in the field since the state began issuing them.  I figured there were going to be readability issues with the previous design.  I have the ones with the white serial on my vehicles, and it's easy to tell when I am being followed by law enforcement.  They get up close and turn on high beams or spotlight so they can read it.  The police chief of my small town has stated publicly that he hates that design.  I think the new design screams, "welcome to New Jersey!"   :eyebrow:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on October 11, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.

Very sad to hear of its replacement...I've always admired the simplicity of Delaware's license plates. Definitely a favorite of mine, right behind the new Ohio plates.
Yuck! Seriously? You probably like the white circle and white square state route shields, too. :P
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on October 11, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.

Very sad to hear of its replacement...I've always admired the simplicity of Delaware's license plates. Definitely a favorite of mine, right behind the new Ohio plates.
Yuck! Seriously? You probably like the white circle and white square state route shields, too. :P

It's simple and iconic, way better than the generic screen printed plates most states have that could pretty much identify any state.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on October 13, 2014, 04:50:24 AM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.

Very sad to hear of its replacement...I've always admired the simplicity of Delaware's license plates. Definitely a favorite of mine, right behind the new Ohio plates.

Yuck! Seriously? You probably like the white circle and white square state route shields, too. :P

It's simple and iconic, way better than the generic screen printed plates most states have that could pretty much identify any state.

Yeah, it's a simple, timeless design, like nothing else available anymore. All these over-designed license plates nowadays, they're way too complicated and eventually become difficult to read (like the above Michigan plate). Delaware's, on the other hand, have great contrasting colors that I'm sure are easy to read from a distance.

I'm definitely a fan of European plates, if only because they're dead simple and get the point across quickly.

And yes, for the record, I do like square route shields (though they should have round corners). :)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on October 13, 2014, 02:56:24 PM
New look for 'Dull-aware' license plate? (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/08/29/new-look-delaware-license-plate/14800449/)

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The Delaware license plate might get a makeover, ending its record as the longest-running plate design in the country.

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The Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles has no timeline or mandate for the project, and a decision on whether to go through with a facelift is likely months away.

Very sad to hear of its replacement...I've always admired the simplicity of Delaware's license plates. Definitely a favorite of mine, right behind the new Ohio plates.

Yuck! Seriously? You probably like the white circle and white square state route shields, too. :P

It's simple and iconic, way better than the generic screen printed plates most states have that could pretty much identify any state.

Yeah, it's a simple, timeless design, like nothing else available anymore. All these over-designed license plates nowadays, they're way too complicated and eventually become difficult to read (like the above Michigan plate). Delaware's, on the other hand, have great contrasting colors that I'm sure are easy to read from a distance.

I'm definitely a fan of European plates, if only because they're dead simple and get the point across quickly.

And yes, for the record, I do like square route shields (though they should have round corners). :)
You'd love NY's Empire Gold plates; there's nothing distinctive about them other than the NY state outline character (which is treated like a letter/number) in the middle of the plate number.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: stormwatch7721 on October 13, 2014, 04:06:17 PM
I saw on a Florida road one time that had a license plate looked like this: AB-12-34. Can anyone explain what the number is for?
Title: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on October 13, 2014, 06:53:41 PM
I saw on a Florida road one time that had a license plate looked like this: AB-12-34. Can anyone explain what the number is for?

Probably a personal plate; most issues have no dashes or only one space by default, but they can be specified for vanity purposes.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on October 13, 2014, 09:02:51 PM
You'd love NY's Empire Gold plates

You would be punctilious in assuming that.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on October 14, 2014, 08:20:42 AM

^^ In GA, if you switch counties, you just get a new county sticker to put on your plate.  If you don't want to have your county shown you can instead show your religious affirmation by placing a "In God We Trust" sticker over the county name.

Florida does the same - I'm not sure if you can still pick "Sunshine State" in place of your county, either.

....

Wait, I don't follow here. Florida plates I've seen with the county name pretty much always have the county name embossed in the plate as raised characters (so, for example, if your plate had raised characters for plate number "ABC-123," underneath that on the bottom edge it might have raised characters reading, say, "BREVARD"). Are you saying if you move to another county they just give you a sticker to apply over the embossed county name? It's the embossed nature of it that had me puzzled and thinking you'd have to get new plates issued.


Edited to add: From what I found on the Florida DMV's website (or whatever they call their DMV....a Google search led me there), you can still get "Sunshine State." See brochure: http://www.flhsmv.gov/html/tagbrochure.pdf  But it doesn't answer my question about moving to a different county if you get the county-name plate.
You can go to any tax collector office in the state of Florida to renew your tags. The county you go to will send the money to your home county. You have the option to choose county name, sunshine state or in God we trust. Miami-Dade does not have county name tags anymore. If you opt for the county name it will be for whatever county you are in.  I live in Clay County and St Johns has a tax collector office open 1 Saturday a month.. Very convenient if you work Monday-friday so we have St John's tags on one car. Renewals don't require new county name tags issued. We used to live in Duval and still have Duval tags. I think at one point in time after moving a new tag was issued but no longer. Also if both dealer goes to tax collector you get tags from wherever they go
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 20, 2014, 09:29:51 AM
Rhode Island has unveiled a new design for their general plates:
(http://www.providencejournal.com/incoming/20141017-dmvplates_ad_3_46s0twuse.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/DMVplates_AD_3_46S0TWUSE.JPG)

Looks a bit similar to Vermont's plates, but the blue in these plates makes them distant enough from Vermont.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on October 20, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
Rhode Island has unveiled a new design for their general plates:
(http://www.providencejournal.com/incoming/20141017-dmvplates_ad_3_46s0twuse.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/DMVplates_AD_3_46S0TWUSE.JPG)

Looks a bit similar to Vermont's plates, but the blue in these plates makes them distant enough from Vermont.
That color scheme reminds me a little bit of the old CT plates (dark blue w/white lettering).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on October 23, 2014, 10:34:44 PM
Florida was supposed to get new tags this year. I know they were canceled or delayed but there seems to be a news blackout on the  issue
Title: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 19, 2014, 06:47:23 PM
Hot damn!  I just saw a shiny, perfect, convincingly new Massachusetts green-on-white plate!  It was a low number, just a single 2016 sticker, unblemished in any way, with simply the embossed "MASSACHUSETTS" and the number.  No front plate, as is the case with green plates.  I tried to get a pic (I was stopped in traffic next to them) but the light was bad so there's no discerning its pristine condition. 

WTF?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadman on November 19, 2014, 07:26:56 PM
Hot damn!  I just saw a shiny, perfect, convincingly new Massachusetts green-on-white plate!  It was a low number, just a single 2016 sticker, unblemished in any way, with simply the embossed "MASSACHUSETTS" and the number.  No front plate, as is the case with green plates.  I tried to get a pic (I was stopped in traffic next to them) but the light was bad so there's no discerning its pristine condition. 

WTF?

Believe it or not, I've actually heard of people restoring their green on white plates to pristine condition.  As I noted in my previous posting, this is so they can keep their registration number.  May not seem like a big deal to most people, but if you've had the same registration since 1976 (first year of single white on green plates) and would have to give it up if you turned the plates in, I could see doing that.  Also, a faded or worn plate is an automatic fail on Massachusetts state inspection, so that might be another incentive.

Just my two cents here.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 19, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
This was on my mental list of potential explanations (just above "lousy attempt at undercover cop disguise").

It being a low number plate, and with those having the odd following they do, it's as reasonable possibility as I can think of.

Somewhere I have a photo of a green or red plate with clearly non-standard lettering (wrong character width, not terrible but clearly different enough that it stood out after a lifetime of seeing the correct ones).  I wonder if it was a fabrication so someone could retain their old plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on November 20, 2014, 12:20:06 AM
What happened to Florida having new general issue tags. I saw a news story about it being canceled due to some problems with vendor being chosen in place of the prisons. But I can jot find any more information. Anyone have insight
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: formulanone on November 20, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Not sure how accurate this (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Floridians-Make-Their-Choice-for-New-License-Plate-Design-184088921.html) is, since it's almost two years old.

Perhaps they're trying to find a vendor in which nobody in office is directly related to... :rolleyes:

Quote from: NBC 6 Miami
The agency initially wanted to outsource the manufacture and distribution of the tags, now made in state prisons and distributed by county tax collectors, to a private vendor to cut costs.

The department's executive director, Julie Jones, dropped that idea and said it was because of pressure from the tax collectors and two Cabinet members, Attorney General Pam Bondi and Chief Financial Officer Jeff Atwater.

You can order SAMPLE plates (http://www.flhsmv.gov/specialtytags/slpfaq.html#11) in Florida for $28 each. Didn't know that!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on November 21, 2014, 08:54:53 AM
Believe it or not, I've actually heard of people restoring their green on white plates to pristine condition.  As I noted in my previous posting, this is so they can keep their registration number.  May not seem like a big deal to most people, but if you've had the same registration since 1976 (first year of single white on green plates) and would have to give it up if you turned the plates in, I could see doing that.  Also, a faded or worn plate is an automatic fail on Massachusetts state inspection, so that might be another incentive.
My mother has had her green MA plate since 1992 (that may have been the last year the RMV issued that design) and it's still in very good shape.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2015, 09:34:49 AM
New animal welfare license plate ready for the road [Delaware] (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2015/01/20/new-animal-welfare-license-plate-ready-road/21971883/)

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The newly resigned animal welfare license plate gives animal lovers a way to publically demonstrate their passion for animals and support the state's spay and neuter initiatives.

The plate sells for $50 at the Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles, with $35 of each sale going to the Animal Welfare License Plate Fund.

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The plate was designed by Delaware artist Andy Lendway, who won the Delaware Division of Public Health's Office of Animal Welfare (OAW) First State Paw Draw Contest.

This isn't the first license plate contest Lendway has won. Several years ago the free-lance illustrator and artist, designed the farm lands plate. His resume also includes designing the Kraft barbecue sauce label and includes clients ranging from "TV Guide" to the National Hockey League and KISS.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 12, 2015, 10:33:11 PM
I'm seeing a lot of five-digit, all-numerical license plates in Massachusetts lately.  Do these denote something in particular, or is this part of the natural progression of number sequences?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 12, 2015, 11:31:27 PM
I believe five-numeral plates in Massachusetts would all be reserve plates, meaning a person gets to keep his long-time license plate number even when new plate formats come out. Strange that you would start seeing a lot of them all of a sudden.

Perhaps someone who actually lives there could correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on April 14, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
I believe five-numeral plates in Massachusetts would all be reserve plates, meaning a person gets to keep his long-time license plate number even when new plate formats come out. Strange that you would start seeing a lot of them all of a sudden.

Perhaps someone who actually lives there could correct me if I'm wrong.

No need, you are correct.  Plates with five characters are "reserved" and plates with less than five characters are issued periodically by lottery, but are also "reserved."  They will maintain their registration numbers if the Commonwealth decides to issue new plates, and can be deeded or left in wills.

The "low-number" plate in Pete's example would be re-issued with the same registration number in the current "Spirit of America" series if it didn't pass inspection at some point.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 14, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Interesting.  I have seen at least five five-numbers plates in the past month or so.  Could be dumb luck.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on April 14, 2015, 03:13:54 PM
Believe it or not, I've actually heard of people restoring their green on white plates to pristine condition.

As have I.  I've also seen some attempts with, let's say, less than stellar results.  I saw one a few days ago where the white was a flat paint without any reflectivity.  The correct white paint is, I believe, what some used to call "metal-flake."
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 15, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Got my first look at the new Kansas sunflower vanity plate. I like it very much!

(http://www.shermancounty.org/sites/default/files/field/image/Sunflower%20Plate.jpg)

It looks better in real life. Especially on the sweet sports car it was on.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: apeman33 on April 16, 2015, 04:06:40 AM
Are they going to be limited to just five characters or is the idea that plates that have five characters or fewer offset to the right so the sunflower is visible? I ask partly because if I ever got a personalized plate, I know what I want and that word, if available, has six letters.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on April 16, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
I don't remember the exact serial number I saw (just the full words it intended to convey), but it had to be at least six letters. So I'd say it must be full format, just like previous ones. I can only assume the mockup was done like that so the viewer could see the flower in full.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on April 16, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
I've seen a few of the new vanity plates floating around. Yes, I do believe the vanity plate text is centered and embossed (as opposed to a screened "flat" plate)

/me should be getting a call from the county treasurer's office soon about re-upping on his "ROUTE56" vanity plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 21, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
This place seems to be the best fit for this question.

Is Texas the only state that doesn't apply stickers to its license plates?  I actually think the windshield decal is a good idea.  Was it meant to prevent people from stealing stickers? (I usually cross the ones on my plate with an exacto befor applying)

The drawback I imagine is that it's harder for law enforcement to detect expired plates if behind a car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on April 21, 2015, 04:56:06 PM
This place seems to be the best fit for this question.

Is Texas the only state that doesn't apply stickers to its license plates?  I actually think the windshield decal is a good idea.  Was it meant to prevent people from stealing stickers? (I usually cross the ones on my plate with an exacto befor applying)

The drawback I imagine is that it's harder for law enforcement to detect expired plates if behind a car.
No.  My home state of New Jersey no longer uses plate stickers, neither does New York nor Connecticut.  DC stopped issuing plate stickers too, while not a state, they do have vehicle registrations.  They are the only 4 that are coming to mind off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are a couple others.  As for law enforcement, they can run a plate through their on board computer quite quickly and determine whether it's valid or not.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 21, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
As a lifelong resident of a state that uses windshield stickers, how do plate stickers not become an issue?  I can't imagine they can easily be removed, the roadway dust/grime that invariably gets on the plate would make new stickers harder to stick on, and putting stickers on top of each other is ugly and would likely make for a large "tower" very quickly.

Windshield stickers also allow the state to scrimp on cost.  The NY registration stickers have no more adhesive than those "I voted" stickers that people get at the polls and have been known to fall off once and a while.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 21, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
As a lifelong resident of a state that uses windshield stickers, how do plate stickers not become an issue?  I can't imagine they can easily be removed

No need to remove them.

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the roadway dust/grime that invariably gets on the plate would make new stickers harder to stick on

I dampen a paper towel and wipe off said grime with one swipe before applying the new sticker.

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and putting stickers on top of each other is ugly and would likely make for a large "tower" very quickly.

Not really.  Ours are renewed every two years.  I just put the new one atop the old, and have had maybe five of these stacked on one plate without issue.  The glue is pretty good, and the sticker is thin.

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Windshield stickers also allow the state to scrimp on cost.  The NY registration stickers have no more adhesive than those "I voted" stickers that people get at the polls and have been known to fall off once and a while.

Our inspection stickers go in the window.  I've never had a station change it without leaving a mess of residual glue and paper.  I've goo-goned/scraped this off, but more than a little effort in this regard endangers the new sticker.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kkt on April 22, 2015, 01:20:55 PM
Washington uses stickers.  We don't take the old ones off, just stick the new ones on top.  Washington requires new license plates every seven years or whenever the vehicle is sold, so the stack doesn't get too high.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on April 22, 2015, 01:43:21 PM

putting stickers on top of each other is ugly and would likely make for a large "tower" very quickly.

You mean like this? :D

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/22/f14687d9e378bbfcbfe58fb8159c155c.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: gonealookin on April 22, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Our specialty plate options in Nevada (http://www.dmvnv.com/platescharitable.htm) have shied away from any political issues.  However, some of our current legislators think we should have a "Protect the Second Amendment" plate option.  The bill was written by the same state senator who wrote the 85 mph (now 80 mph) bill, has passed the Senate and in fact both bills are before the Assembly Transportation Committee at a meeting tomorrow.

(http://i.imgur.com/aU7mfOR.jpg)

I'm neutral on gun politics and don't intend to start any argument over that.  It does seem to me that the people who would like to express this sentiment on their vehicles are not that likely to be willing to pay the voluntary annual tax to do so when a bumper sticker would accomplish the same purpose, so if the bill becomes law we'll see whether this plate has any traction.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: oscar on April 22, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It does seem to me that the people who would like to express this sentiment on their vehicles are not that likely to be willing to pay the voluntary annual tax to do so when a bumper sticker would accomplish the same purpose, so if the bill becomes law we'll see whether this plate has any traction.

Agreed. NRA stickers seem easy enough to get if that's what you want to communicate -- I've gotten free ones unsolicited, even though I'm not a member. And the plate design is underwhelming, with the brown "Battle Born" image hard to make out against the blue/dark blue background, with the background design itself also hard to make out (though a plain background of one of those colors would work for me).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on April 22, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
As a lifelong resident of a state that uses windshield stickers, how do plate stickers not become an issue?  I can't imagine they can easily be removed, the roadway dust/grime that invariably gets on the plate would make new stickers harder to stick on, and putting stickers on top of each other is ugly and would likely make for a large "tower" very quickly.

Windshield stickers also allow the state to scrimp on cost.  The NY registration stickers have no more adhesive than those "I voted" stickers that people get at the polls and have been known to fall off once and a while.

Illinois uses plate stickers (one, for the rear plate only - ours is a backward state with front and rear plates).  They're relatively thin, very sticky stickers.  As Pete From Boston put it, we wipe the grime away with a wet paper towel and then apply the sticker.  If the stack of stickers should become too tall, we just was a scraper to remove some of them.

The only windshield stickers are vehicle tax stickers put out annually by some (not all) municipalities, most famously Chicago.  These go in the lower right hand corner of the windshield, and some vehicles have quite an amazing display of them with several from years past.  These stickers are also very sticky and do not fall off the windshield during the year they are required.  They do peel off eventually, like a couple of years after being applied.  My municipality (Joliet) got rid of these stickers about 20 years ago.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on April 22, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
PA uses plates stickers for registration renewals yearly.  Until roughly a decade ago, the month on the plate sticker had to match the month on the windshield inspection sticker(s)*.

*Several counties require two inspection sitckers: one for the safety inspection (that is required in every county), the other is for emissions inspection (that's required in several but not all counties).

For many years (mostly prior to 2000 before every plate was replaced with the first-generation white/blue/yellow design), it was not uncommon to see plates in Philadelphia and the adjacent suburbs with either corners cut off or even an entire section due to thieves obtaining plate stickers.  The older-style blue plates that had the indent for the plate sticker located at the lower-left corner.  A vehicle that had bumper-mounted rear plates were the ones most targeted.

Sticker stealing/plate vandalism became such an epidemic during the late 90s that many city officials (including then-Police Commissioner Jim Timoney) petitioned PennDOT & Harrisburg to abolish the plate stickers altogether & have the safety inspection sticker double as a registration sticker. 

Their response: any vehicle registered in Philadelphia had the option to receive yellow Post-it-style tags (showing the plate number and expiration month & year in black) that would be placed on the lower-left corner of the rear window instead of the conventional plate sticker. 

Such a solution created 2 problems:

1.  The stickers wouldn't stay on the rear window for too long.

2.  Many Philadelphia motorists complained that the stickers unfairly targeted & even profiled them (by suburban police officers).

Needless to say, the Post-It style stickers for the rear-window only lasted for a year-and-a-half; despite the number of sticker thefts/plate vandalism declining during that period. 

With the newer-design plates (that first rolled out in 2000) having the indentation for the registration sticker located on the upper-left corner (which made it harder for thieves/vandals to quickly get at); the problem wasn't as rampant as it once was.

In terms of placement of the yearly stickers are concerned (PA's oldest standard/commercial/truck/vanity plates on the road are now 15 years old, PA's Wildlife owl plate (from the mid-90s) is now the oldest plate on the road): over the course of time, many would either place the new sticker on top of the old or rotate the sticker placement at every corner.  Some would even place stickers towards the center of the plate.

Typically, I just remove the old sticker and place the new one at the same spot.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on April 25, 2015, 03:25:45 AM
Are they going to be limited to just five characters or is the idea that plates that have five characters or fewer offset to the right so the sunflower is visible? I ask partly because if I ever got a personalized plate, I know what I want and that word, if available, has six letters.

Let me guess...APEMAN? :P

I like that Kansas plate better than the current base.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on April 25, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
The whole "thieves take stickers" built up over the years meme seems to bubble up in local media from time to time.  My state uses stickers and I have seen plenty of stacks like the one 6a posts.  It is one of those much ado about nothing deals.  Yes, a thief can, with some effort cut the sticker stack off and glue it onto his expired or stolen plate.  Or just steal the plate itself, which make more sense.  In either event, the DMV will issue you a new plate for free or a nominal charge, and the thief plate number will show up as bogus in the computer and he will not have the backup registration card if pulled over.

In my state, the DMV will just issue you a new plate at renewal time if you just ask at no charge.  I get one every couple years, since city parking ticket computers do not update.   

WV, BTW, prints a faux sticker on new plates.  For example, next year's sticker is green.  But if you get a new plate, the corner where the sticker goes is already green with a 2016.  Part of the plate. 

The "cop target people with some indication of being from out of town" deal bubbles up too.  County name states, places where the suburbs are in another state (currently popular in DC), dealer logos, political stickers, and other local indicia.  My experience is that traffic cops divide the world into themselves and their victims, and make no further distinctions.  All are scum.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 25, 2015, 11:55:55 AM
I take a razor and remove the stack of stickers off my plates when they reach 4 or 5 in thickness. I'm amazed at how careless people are at applying the new registrations, putting them over the month sticker or on the top right or left of the plate instead of the lower right, which is clearly indicated on the instructions on the envelope the sticker comes in.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 25, 2015, 12:23:23 PM
I slightly stagger mine so that I can see the different colors from over the years.  Colorado seems to have a 4-year color cycle (not necessarily in this order): Red, Orange, Teal and Yellow.

I don't think the cops look too much at the yearly sticker as they do the overall plate if they are checking plates for validity.  There is probably more instances of wrong plate on wrong car than bogus/no sticker on plate for right car.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on April 25, 2015, 01:34:17 PM
Or you could be like my idiot neighbor and put the sticker on the tinted plastic covering over the plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DaBigE on April 25, 2015, 03:17:43 PM
Several years back, the media around here were running stories about thieves who had taken a tin snips and cut out the year sticker, then affix it to their car. Like that wouldn't be obvious to a competent LEO. :rolleyes:

I'll shave mine off once they reach about 4 deep. A tin snips or an allen wrench is the only way a thief will make off with my plate. I hate the rust stain trails that develop from the cheap screws that usually come with a car, so I've swapped them to stainless steel. Since they were in the neighboring bin and didn't cost any extra I opted for the allen headed screws.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on April 25, 2015, 03:49:46 PM
(http://njplates.moini.net/stickers!2.jpg)

(http://njplates.moini.net/stickers2.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on April 26, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
As a lifelong resident of a state that uses windshield stickers, how do plate stickers not become an issue?  I can't imagine they can easily be removed, the roadway dust/grime that invariably gets on the plate would make new stickers harder to stick on, and putting stickers on top of each other is ugly and would likely make for a large "tower" very quickly.

Many years ago, due to stories in the news about theft of the registration stickers, I adopted the practice of meticulously peeling off the old sticker every year before applying the new sticker (and also scoring the sticker so it couldn't come off in one piece, as a deterrent to would-be thieves). My understanding was that layering the stickers made it easier to tear off the current sticker, as opposed to if the sticker was directly adhered to the plate.

Since then, the stickers have changed so that they are super sticky and virtually impossible to tear off in one piece—but I keep to my old practice anyway out of habit. I also use this time to make a yearly check of my plates to clean them off and make sure they still look good.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 28, 2015, 12:18:47 PM
Wasn't sticker theft an issue in Missouri, prompting the state to put the "well" for the stickers in the middle of the plate?  Always thought that was strange placement.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 28, 2015, 01:46:22 PM
A lot of stickers of this kind have slits or score lines preventing them from being removed in one or even a couple of pieces. I can't recall if ours have this, but it is a common feature to prevent theft and reuse.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on April 30, 2015, 12:28:08 AM
The whole "thieves take stickers" built up over the years meme seems to bubble up in local media from time to time.  My state uses stickers and I have seen plenty of stacks like the one 6a posts.  It is one of those much ado about nothing deals.  Yes, a thief can, with some effort cut the sticker stack off and glue it onto his expired or stolen plate.  Or just steal the plate itself, which make more sense.  In either event, the DMV will issue you a new plate for free or a nominal charge, and the thief plate number will show up as bogus in the computer and he will not have the backup registration card if pulled over.

In my state, the DMV will just issue you a new plate at renewal time if you just ask at no charge.  I get one every couple years, since city parking ticket computers do not update.   

WV, BTW, prints a faux sticker on new plates.  For example, next year's sticker is green.  But if you get a new plate, the corner where the sticker goes is already green with a 2016.  Part of the plate. 

The "cop target people with some indication of being from out of town" deal bubbles up too.  County name states, places where the suburbs are in another state (currently popular in DC), dealer logos, political stickers, and other local indicia.  My experience is that traffic cops divide the world into themselves and their victims, and make no further distinctions.  All are scum.
I think it's funny the same type of person  who does not want county name on tag here in Florida will have bumper stickers, stick families and their kids name and sports all indicated on their car.  And then sharining their entire lives on social media.

Sort of related, tags are always pixelated on TV now, even boat registration numbers. If some stalker is gonna take the time to find your information From your tag. They already have looked you up on Facebook, gone to property appraisers website to find your home.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on April 30, 2015, 07:00:59 AM

I think it's funny the same type of person  who does not want county name on tag here in Florida will have bumper stickers, stick families and their kids name and sports all indicated on their car. 


Work made me go to a "personal safety" class a couple of years ago.  Lot of it was common sense, lot of it was BS, but one thing they said that I had not considered was about the stick families.  Don't do it.  You are giving out too much information.  And generally identifying Mom's car (as opposed to Dad's). If not giving away the names of your kids.  And, probably where they will be at a certain time (Ashlee 8 mentioned in the softball logo will probably be waiting for you to pick her up at the softball field).   Also bad is anything that identifies the driver as a single female, such as the "whatever state/college Girl" stickers or school logos in pink.   Also "branch of service Wife".  Probably means husband is not home for long periods that can probably be figured out in most area with a little work. 

Just keep your car, especially female's cars, as generic as possible. 

As to bumper stickers, I maintain that 95% of people with more than 3 bumper stickers are generally nuts.  Either politically or religiously, or both, in one direction or the other.  In any event, first, be courteous and take the election stickers off, win or lose, by December 1.  And why make yourself a target?  Maybe the cop on random tax duty isn't so random?  Maybe he targets people with democrat stickers, or Clemson fans, or Mets fans, or people with Jesus fishes, or people with those "gay" equal sign stickers, or whatever.   Or maybe you have a breakdown in the hood and they don't like your candidate's plan to take away their life of idle.   Just keep it under your hat.


Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The Nature Boy on April 30, 2015, 12:09:48 PM
I have a Boston Red Sox sticker on my car. I just hope I never run afoul of any angry Yankees fans.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 30, 2015, 12:29:24 PM


I think it's funny the same type of person  who does not want county name on tag here in Florida will have bumper stickers, stick families and their kids name and sports all indicated on their car. 


Work made me go to a "personal safety" class a couple of years ago.  Lot of it was common sense, lot of it was BS, but one thing they said that I had not considered was about the stick families.  Don't do it.  You are giving out too much information.  And generally identifying Mom's car (as opposed to Dad's). If not giving away the names of your kids.  And, probably where they will be at a certain time (Ashlee 8 mentioned in the softball logo will probably be waiting for you to pick her up at the softball field).   Also bad is anything that identifies the driver as a single female, such as the "whatever state/college Girl" stickers or school logos in pink.   Also "branch of service Wife".  Probably means husband is not home for long periods that can probably be figured out in most area with a little work. 

Just keep your car, especially female's cars, as generic as possible. 

As to bumper stickers, I maintain that 95% of people with more than 3 bumper stickers are generally nuts.  Either politically or religiously, or both, in one direction or the other.  In any event, first, be courteous and take the election stickers off, win or lose, by December 1.  And why make yourself a target?  Maybe the cop on random tax duty isn't so random?  Maybe he targets people with democrat stickers, or Clemson fans, or Mets fans, or people with Jesus fishes, or people with those "gay" equal sign stickers, or whatever.   Or maybe you have a breakdown in the hood and they don't like your candidate's plan to take away their life of idle.   Just keep it under your hat.

I agree—one needn't carry oneself as if continually compelled to inject one's political bent into everything.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on May 02, 2015, 11:04:44 AM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/MiscellaneousNovember2012075.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: signalman on May 02, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/MiscellaneousNovember2012075.jpg)
I've seen this one on a few vehicles.  While I wouldn't put it (or any stickers for that matter) on my window, I think it's great.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Atomica on May 03, 2015, 01:43:04 AM
Wasn't sticker theft an issue in Missouri, prompting the state to put the "well" for the stickers in the middle of the plate?  Always thought that was strange placement.

Yes, and now your new stickers are generally placed in the centre of the plate - with the licence plate number printed on the stickers if you attend to your registration in time.  Otherwise you get a year sticker telling you when your plate registration expires - you can get a two-year renewal after you have had the car for two years.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: sandiaman on May 28, 2015, 06:55:48 PM
In New Mexico,  it is legal  to use the same plate  to pile on annual stickers. Some are from the mid 90's (the balloon style plate) and many are barely legible. The owner is  required to pay for a new plate if the car is ticketed for an illegible plate.  This is not right, the state  should not  allow any plate to extend over ten years, that is the shelf life of the average plate.  We have three general  plates in current use  now   (not counting vanity plates), red on gray, red on yellow and the newest , yellow on turquoise.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 29, 2015, 01:03:28 PM
In New Mexico,  it is legal  to use the same plate  to pile on annual stickers. Some are from the mid 90's (the balloon style plate) and many are barely legible. The owner is  required to pay for a new plate if the car is ticketed for an illegible plate.  This is not right, the state  should not  allow any plate to extend over ten years, that is the shelf life of the average plate.  We have three general  plates in current use  now   (not counting vanity plates), red on gray, red on yellow and the newest , yellow on turquoise.

Re: plates over 10 years.  Come to California.  I think any plate from the mid 50s through today is technically still valid. :-)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on May 29, 2015, 06:50:35 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: catch22 on May 29, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.

Michigan does.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on May 29, 2015, 06:59:26 PM
Georgia does
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on May 29, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
I want to say that Ohio kind of did.  If you got your tags renewed by mail, your renewal sticker would have the plate number -- if you renewed in person at the license bureau, it would be a generic sticker number.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: allniter89 on May 29, 2015, 09:38:50 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.
Florida does
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: gonealookin on May 30, 2015, 07:17:11 PM
In New Mexico,  it is legal  to use the same plate  to pile on annual stickers. Some are from the mid 90's (the balloon style plate) and many are barely legible. The owner is  required to pay for a new plate if the car is ticketed for an illegible plate.  This is not right, the state  should not  allow any plate to extend over ten years, that is the shelf life of the average plate.  We have three general  plates in current use  now   (not counting vanity plates), red on gray, red on yellow and the newest , yellow on turquoise.

Re: plates over 10 years.  Come to California.  I think any plate from the mid 50s through today is technically still valid. :-)

Nevada's Assembly has passed AB 484 (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/78th2015/Bill/2226/Overview), which would require that the DMV reissue license plates every 8 years.  Because of the additional fee required at the time of reissuance, this bill requires a 2/3 vote in both the Assembly and Senate to become law.  It squeaked by in the Assembly (actually it didn't get 2/3 on the first vote, but it came up for a second vote and got 2 more Ayes), no idea what might happen in the Senate or on the Governor's desk, but we'll know soon because the legislative session is just about over.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: mvak36 on May 30, 2015, 11:42:41 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.

Missouri does (at least I'm pretty sure they do. I remember seeing it on a friend's license plate).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: slorydn1 on June 02, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.

NC does.

Oh and effective as of this week, NC is doing away with the dual sticker (1 for month, 1 for year) in favor of a single sticker system (month/year on one). I haven't seen any yet but we have been instructed to place them in the upper right hand corner of the tag.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on June 02, 2015, 05:05:56 PM


I think it's funny the same type of person  who does not want county name on tag here in Florida will have bumper stickers, stick families and their kids name and sports all indicated on their car. 


Work made me go to a "personal safety" class a couple of years ago.  Lot of it was common sense, lot of it was BS, but one thing they said that I had not considered was about the stick families.  Don't do it.  You are giving out too much information.  And generally identifying Mom's car (as opposed to Dad's). If not giving away the names of your kids.  And, probably where they will be at a certain time (Ashlee 8 mentioned in the softball logo will probably be waiting for you to pick her up at the softball field).   Also bad is anything that identifies the driver as a single female, such as the "whatever state/college Girl" stickers or school logos in pink.   Also "branch of service Wife".  Probably means husband is not home for long periods that can probably be figured out in most area with a little work. 

Just keep your car, especially female's cars, as generic as possible. 

As to bumper stickers, I maintain that 95% of people with more than 3 bumper stickers are generally nuts.  Either politically or religiously, or both, in one direction or the other.  In any event, first, be courteous and take the election stickers off, win or lose, by December 1.  And why make yourself a target?  Maybe the cop on random tax duty isn't so random?  Maybe he targets people with democrat stickers, or Clemson fans, or Mets fans, or people with Jesus fishes, or people with those "gay" equal sign stickers, or whatever.   Or maybe you have a breakdown in the hood and they don't like your candidate's plan to take away their life of idle.   Just keep it under your hat.

I agree—one needn't carry oneself as if continually compelled to inject one's political bent into everything.
There will still be the "creative" people who put the sticker wherever they want
I have a Boston Red Sox sticker on my car. I just hope I never run afoul of any angry Yankees fans.

How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.
Florida does

How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.

NC does.

Oh and effective as of this week, NC is doing away with the dual sticker (1 for month, 1 for year) in favor of a single sticker system (month/year on one). I haven't seen any yet but we have been instructed to place them in the upper right hand corner of the tag.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 03, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
I want to say that Ohio kind of did.  If you got your tags renewed by mail, your renewal sticker would have the plate number -- if you renewed in person at the license bureau, it would be a generic sticker number.

Actually, renewing in person, one gets a sticker with the plate number and exact expiration date. (I'd post a photo of my shiny new sticker but I don't have an easy way to upload photos directly from this device.) Apparently they print them on demand. Only the county stickers come on big pre-printed rolls.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Brandon on June 03, 2015, 04:31:36 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.

Michigan does.

Illinois does this as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 03, 2015, 05:29:54 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.
MA and PA do not.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on June 03, 2015, 06:49:51 PM
I want to say that Ohio kind of did.  If you got your tags renewed by mail, your renewal sticker would have the plate number -- if you renewed in person at the license bureau, it would be a generic sticker number.

Actually, renewing in person, one gets a sticker with the plate number and exact expiration date. (I'd post a photo of my shiny new sticker but I don't have an easy way to upload photos directly from this device.) Apparently they print them on demand. Only the county stickers come on big pre-printed rolls.

OK, that might have changed from the olden days 10+ years ago when I last had plates from there.

BTW, in the days when the county stickers were spelled out in full and you would affix them to the bottom center of the plate, the spacing between letters would vary (Erie vs Montgomery Co., for example).  My county had too much space between letters, IMO, so I used to splice my county stickers to make the spacing look neater.  I also put a Chief Wahoo sticker over the state imprint which divided the letters and numbers, since I was an Indians fan. Never had any problems.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on June 03, 2015, 07:44:02 PM
How many states print the license plate number on the registration sticker? I know both Arizona and Texas do this.
MA and PA do not.
WI does not either
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The Nature Boy on June 03, 2015, 11:30:39 PM
I wonder if CT drivers with pre-07 plates ever get pulled by overzealous out of state cops who see a 2007 registration sticker and jump to the conclusion that someone has a REALLY out of date plate.....
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on June 04, 2015, 06:42:40 AM
Oklahoma stickers have a serial number on them unrelated to the plate number. The stickers come on big sheets with perhaps 25 stickers on them, and the tag agent detaches one sticker for you and logs the sticker number in their computer.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: democraticnole on June 04, 2015, 10:56:24 PM
I'm new to the site and haven't read through the whole thread (did read first couple of pages), but I'm surprised by how much bitching some people do about the front license plate. Pretty much the entire world uses front and black plates and 31/50 states do, taking up the vast majority of the U.S. population do so. When growing up for several years, I don't remember anyone's lives being negatively impacted because of a front license plate. I wish Florida had front and back plates.

I was reminded about the safety side of having front plates about 11 years ago when driving on 95 in Broward County. There was a car passing cars in the breakdown lane next to the center jersey barrier. This car proceeded to do it to the car behind me, which caused this car to swerve left, then right, then back left again and slammed into the jersey barrier at 70 mph, crushing the vehicle. The car passing then immediately got over to the right and exited. Because he had no front plate, I was unable to report that to FHP when I called in the accident.

There's also the revenue side of the equation. As much of the country unfortunately forgets history and embraces toll roads, having front plates greatly increases the likelihood of collecting the toll revenue. The Texas A&M Transportation Institute did a study on this. Colorado estimated that 34% of their tolls would be lost on E-470 without front plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 05, 2015, 10:28:28 AM
The "rest of the world"  does lots of stupid crap.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

37.25% of the population lives in a state with the enlightened logic to only have rear plates.  Thus less than 2/3rds is far less than "the vast majority".

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Collecting of tolls by plate recognition is a stupid way to collect tolls.  Hire some toll takers and get an ez pass like system.  Places that won't do that deserve to be cheated.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

There is no study that front plates have any positive effect on law enforcement.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: democraticnole on June 05, 2015, 11:37:29 AM
The "rest of the world"  does lots of stupid crap.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

37.25% of the population lives in a state with the enlightened logic to only have rear plates.  Thus less than 2/3rds is far less than "the vast majority".

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Collecting of tolls by plate recognition is a stupid way to collect tolls.  Hire some toll takers and get an ez pass like system.  Places that won't do that deserve to be cheated.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

There is no study that front plates have any positive effect on law enforcement.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.
How does the front plate really ruin the look of the car? I could maybe let that argument slide for some kind of really expensive sports car like a Ferrari, but 99.9% of the cars it really makes no difference on. The TTI study also gets into this as well. Advertising in the US typically shows vehicles without the front plate, while elsewhere in the world, such as Europe, the front plate bracket has to be shown in the advertising. If you saw car ads with the front plate bracket, you probably wouldn't even notice a difference.

Take a visit to frontplate.org. They have some information on some of the numbers. Police reports indicate that front plates helps with 20% of their cases involving a motor vehicle.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 05, 2015, 01:05:44 PM
frontplate.org belongs to 3M. 

WHICH MAKES THE PLATES. 

Thus, if the states that represent the 37.5% population that are currently enlightened can be fooled into this unneeded expense, 3M stands to make $$.   This is just a variant on the common "astroturf" move by a big company.

As to the rediculious idea that unneeded front plates do not ruin  the looks of cars, you probably need an eye test.   Front plates are ugly.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on June 05, 2015, 01:19:28 PM
How often have states changed from a one-plate state to a two-plate state? Or vice versa?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: democraticnole on June 05, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
frontplate.org belongs to 3M. 

WHICH MAKES THE PLATES. 

Thus, if the states that represent the 37.5% population that are currently enlightened can be fooled into this unneeded expense, 3M stands to make $$.   This is just a variant on the common "astroturf" move by a big company.

As to the rediculious idea that unneeded front plates do not ruin  the looks of cars, you probably need an eye test.   Front plates are ugly.

Just because 3M happens to have an incentive in advocating for the plates doesn't mean that the arguments themselves are not valid.

We can agree to disagree on the aesthetics of it. I could show you numerous cars where I don't think it's an issue. You do however illustrate the passion that some people have about the issue. It's always surprised me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: myosh_tino on June 05, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
Collecting of tolls by plate recognition is a stupid way to collect tolls.  Hire some toll takers and get an ez pass like system.  Places that won't do that deserve to be cheated.

Not sure about the EZPass system(s) but the only way California's FasTrak system does toll enforcement is by capturing a license plate using a camera and sending the registered owner a toll violation notice.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 05, 2015, 03:55:10 PM
How often have states changed from a one-plate state to a two-plate state? Or vice versa?
Circa 1977, when MA introduced the white & green plate (some of which are still around) it went from 2-plates to just the rear plate (standard registrations only; commerical & vanity plates still required 2-plates).

When the current Spirit of America design was introduced about a decade later (first for the commerical plates, then the vanity plates, then the standard plates); it reinstated the 2-plate requirement for standard registrations when issued that plate design.  Apparently, law enforcement complained about the single, rear only, plates.  They claimed that such hindered their being able to indentify vehicle owners.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Pete from Boston on June 05, 2015, 04:31:41 PM

The "rest of the world"  does lots of stupid crap.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

37.25% of the population lives in a state with the enlightened logic to only have rear plates.  Thus less than 2/3rds is far less than "the vast majority".

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Collecting of tolls by plate recognition is a stupid way to collect tolls.  Hire some toll takers and get an ez pass like system.  Places that won't do that deserve to be cheated.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

There is no study that front plates have any positive effect on law enforcement.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Most reasonable people go their whole lives without one whit of care about the appearance of front plates. 

Most reasonable people go their whole lives without one whit of care about the appearance of front plates. 

Most reasonable people go their whole lives without one whit of care about the appearance of front plates. 

Most reasonable people go their whole lives without one whit of care about the appearance of front plates. 

(I figure there's something I don't know about repeating my opinion four times making the point better.)

States that have toll collectors deserve to have a full complement of elevator operators and surrender operator-unassisted telephoning, with all the associated costs.  Toll collectors are all but obsolete and anyone that isn't a compulsive contrarian knows it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on June 05, 2015, 11:04:17 PM
What about rust?  By having holes in the front bumper, it's easier for moisture to get trapped.  When we switched the registration on my old Accord from Mom's name to mine and had to swap the plates, the bolts for the front plates were so rusted that they literally snapped in half when removed.  The front plate was also slightly warped and the paint had noticeable signs of corrosion.  Guess that's what happens when a car has the same plates for 13 years.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Buffaboy on June 05, 2015, 11:23:07 PM

What about rust?  By having holes in the front bumper, it's easier for moisture to get trapped.  When we switched the registration on my old Accord from Mom's name to mine and had to swap the plates, the bolts for the front plates were so rusted that they literally snapped in half when removed.  The front plate was also slightly warped and the paint had noticeable signs of corrosion.  Guess that's what happens when a car has the same plates for 13 years.

That's right. My plates were the previous gen NY plates and had experienced letter peeling, so I took it in for the new throwback plates. It turned my 2003 Nissan into a fresh looking car.

BTW,  why can't New York vehicles drive without a front plate?


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Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on June 06, 2015, 05:40:00 AM
The "rest of the world"  does lots of stupid crap.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

37.25% of the population lives in a state with the enlightened logic to only have rear plates.  Thus less than 2/3rds is far less than "the vast majority".

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

Collecting of tolls by plate recognition is a stupid way to collect tolls.  Hire some toll takers and get an ez pass like system.  Places that won't do that deserve to be cheated.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.

There is no study that front plates have any positive effect on law enforcement.

Front plates are ugly and ruin the looks of most cars.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on June 06, 2015, 05:53:24 AM
Michigan dropped a front plate requirement on April 1, 1981, and when the venerable blue and white plates debuted in 1983, they weren't issued in pairs.

We now have a requirement starting this year to get new plates every 10 years after issue. That means my current plate I received in 2007 will have to be replaced in 2017, regardless of its condition. Of course I take good care of my plate, so it will be far from worn out or unreflective when it is forced into retirement. I only hope they continue to issue that design in 2 years.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: bulldog1979 on June 06, 2015, 05:58:12 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars? Michigan allows the owner of a collector car to register an original plate from the same year as the model year of the vehicle, so long as it qualifies as an antique (26 years old). The car can't be used for daily transportation. So if my father still had his first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala, and if he had his original 1963 plates, he could use one of them on the car as long the plate was in good condition. People here even have old plates repainted so that they can be reused.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 06, 2015, 06:59:54 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars?

WV switched from a new plate every year to the current system of renewal stickers in 1972.  If you have a car older than a 72, and you can obtain a plate from the year the car was made (does not have to have any previous thing to do with the car, just buy it from some collector) you can register it and use it.  You will be given a letter from the DMV to show to the police.  Cost is the same as any personalized plate. 

The current numbering scheme, adopted in 73 is about exhausted.  When it is and those plates are all replaced, the same policy will apply to any car 30 year old.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: steviep24 on June 06, 2015, 07:01:45 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars? Michigan allows the owner of a collector car to register an original plate from the same year as the model year of the vehicle, so long as it qualifies as an antique (26 years old). The car can't be used for daily transportation. So if my father still had his first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala, and if he had his original 1963 plates, he could use one of them on the car as long the plate was in good condition. People here even have old plates repainted so that they can be reused.
New York does.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on June 06, 2015, 09:08:11 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars? Michigan allows the owner of a collector car to register an original plate from the same year as the model year of the vehicle, so long as it qualifies as an antique (26 years old). The car can't be used for daily transportation. So if my father still had his first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala, and if he had his original 1963 plates, he could use one of them on the car as long the plate was in good condition. People here even have old plates repainted so that they can be reused.

Massachusetts allows it, but IIRC the plates cannot be restored.  They're called YOM (Year of Manufacture) plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Doctor Whom on June 06, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars?
Virginia allows that. If you want to use the car as a daily driver, as opposed to accepting the restrictions that come with antique registration, you still need to display current month and year stickers on the vintage plate.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 06, 2015, 07:08:36 PM
Toll-by-plate doesn't have to require front license plates.  Just mount the cameras where they can capture the rear of the vehicle.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on June 06, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
It does seem a bit weird that license plates aren't required on the front of motorcycles (where are you going to put them), but they are on cars for the most part.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The Nature Boy on June 10, 2015, 11:21:09 AM
What about rust?  By having holes in the front bumper, it's easier for moisture to get trapped.  When we switched the registration on my old Accord from Mom's name to mine and had to swap the plates, the bolts for the front plates were so rusted that they literally snapped in half when removed.  The front plate was also slightly warped and the paint had noticeable signs of corrosion.  Guess that's what happens when a car has the same plates for 13 years.

When I bought my new car, I asked the dealer to put a front license plate bracket on the front of my car to avoid this problem. There are still holes in my front bumper (which sucks) but at least there's a plastic backing to my front plate so I can minimize paint damage to the car itself.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: gonealookin on June 11, 2015, 12:14:41 PM
Both bills relating to license plates which came up in the 2015 Nevada Legislature passed and have now been signed by the governor:  SB 229, creating a new specialty plate (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2350.msg2059763#msg2059763) which allows the vehicle owner to express a "Protect the Second Amendment" sentiment via the license plate, and AB 484, which provides that a set of plates has a lifespan of eight years and must be turned into the DMV for reissuance at the end of that period.

I haven't seen any urgent need for the second one.  If my plates still look fine after eight years, it irritates me that I need an interaction with the DMV and payment of some reissuance fee to boot just because an arbitrary time period has expired.  I guess it does eliminate the stacked-decal problem discussed above.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 6a on June 11, 2015, 09:22:32 PM

Both bills relating to license plates which came up in the 2015 Nevada Legislature passed and have now been signed by the governor:  SB 229, creating a new specialty plate (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2350.msg2059763#msg2059763) which allows the vehicle owner to express a "Protect the Second Amendment" sentiment via the license plate, and AB 484, which provides that a set of plates has a lifespan of eight years and must be turned into the DMV for reissuance at the end of that period.

I haven't seen any urgent need for the second one.  If my plates still look fine after eight years, it irritates me that I need an interaction with the DMV and payment of some reissuance fee to boot just because an arbitrary time period has expired.  I guess it does eliminate the stacked-decal problem discussed above.

People sell plates (and stickers) on eBay. It's a problem for those of us who legitimately collect plates, but those out to make a buck don't care.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: route56 on June 18, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Got my first look at the new Kansas sunflower vanity plate. I like it very much!

It looks better in real life. Especially on the sweet sports car it was on.

Are they going to be limited to just five characters or is the idea that plates that have five characters or fewer offset to the right so the sunflower is visible? I ask partly because if I ever got a personalized plate, I know what I want and that word, if available, has six letters.

/me should be getting a call from the county treasurer's office soon about re-upping on his "ROUTE56" vanity plate.

Picked up my new Vanity plate on Tuesday, with the full seven characters:

(http://www.route56.com/highways/plates/ROUTE56-16.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on June 18, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
Picked up my new Vanity plate on Tuesday, with the full seven characters:

I love how some states still emboss personalized licence plates. They look so much better (though, in the future, I suspect embossing to be (entirely) replaced by some retro-reflective surface. I guess embossing is akin to button copy -- looks cool and has great readability but, technically, not the best option available).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on June 18, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10437501_10206946426245259_5032734876527967997_n.jpg?oh=d8a863533effb46fd978b4f7c4eed28c&oe=562917A2)
I just got a set of "critical habitat" plates with a moose design! I'd say they match my car nicely. :D
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: slorydn1 on June 19, 2015, 11:32:52 AM
I'm really like NC's normal plate (yeah mine are personalized but they are the same format as the regular plates).


(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww34/slorydn1/Mustang%20Pics/20140320_143409_zpsc756fcf5.jpg)



(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww34/slorydn1/Mustang%20Pics/20140320_143422_zps44da98f6.jpg)
Then again, I really loved the 1976 Michigan plates, too. My dad kept a set in a box for many years, but somehow misplaced them about 10 years ago. My wife and I have been tearing the attic apart looking for them but I cant find them anywhere.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on June 23, 2015, 10:26:01 PM
California's black license plates are back:

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-california-black-license-plates-20150622-story.html
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Duke87 on June 23, 2015, 11:22:39 PM
What about rust?  By having holes in the front bumper, it's easier for moisture to get trapped.  When we switched the registration on my old Accord from Mom's name to mine and had to swap the plates, the bolts for the front plates were so rusted that they literally snapped in half when removed.  The front plate was also slightly warped and the paint had noticeable signs of corrosion.  Guess that's what happens when a car has the same plates for 13 years.

My front plate is mounted on a plastic bracket, not the bumper itself. Meanwhile the bumper itself is made of some composite plasticlike material, not metal, so what rust?

As for warping, I've had two Connecticut plates curl outward after a couple months with no frame around them. In both cases this only happened to the rear plate. I'm at a loss as to what physical mechanism causes this. Meanwhile, my current front New York plate has no backing on the bottom half and received a permanent warping this past winter when I bonked it with a snow shovel while digging my car out.

I wonder if CT drivers with pre-07 plates ever get pulled by overzealous out of state cops who see a 2007 registration sticker and jump to the conclusion that someone has a REALLY out of date plate.....

My father had plates with a 2007 sticker on them up until last summer and never had a problem.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadman on June 24, 2015, 12:24:27 PM
I see this intense hatred of front license plates on a couple of car forums I hang out on as well.  I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people consider this such a huge issue.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on June 24, 2015, 12:47:40 PM
I see this intense hatred of front license plates on a couple of car forums I hang out on as well.  I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people consider this such a huge issue.
Many probably either have or want to place some type of novelty plate (example: my US Route 66 plates I have on both my cars) on the front or work (or have worked) at places that sell such. 

In states that require both front-and-rear plates for vehicles; there's a lot less demand (i.e. business) for such novelty plates (unless someone drills/tinkers with their front bumper to accomodate such).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on June 24, 2015, 12:55:16 PM
I was driving behind a car from Oregon the other day, and noticed the first three numbers were 666.

Not sure if I ever saw that combination used on California plates.  I know the DMV won't issue obscene or even possibly obscene letter combinations (KKK, ASS, FUK, etc.) but are there states that maybe don't issue 666?  I can imagine that more than a few people wouldn't want those seeing them being slid across the counter at the DMV.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 24, 2015, 11:44:29 PM
I live in CA and I see 666 used on plates all the time
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on June 25, 2015, 09:44:55 AM
I live in CA and I see 666 used on plates all the time

Guess I never paid that close of attention until now.  Curious if some states avoid that combo. Maybe bible belt states?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SSOWorld on June 25, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
Is California the only one I know of that allows the use of symbols on plates?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on June 25, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
Is California the only one I know of that allows the use of symbols on plates?

I believe so.  I haven't seen it used by any other state yet.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 25, 2015, 10:39:20 AM
Is California the only one I know of that allows the use of symbols on plates?

Only you can answer as to what you know.

Sorry.

Anyway, Virginia allows - and & .  North Carolina allows & # (  ) + $ / = * ? @ ' - , ! : .  (( and )).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 25, 2015, 11:57:28 PM
Those are just special characters of the ascii character set. The OP was referring to the way CA uses a special  symbol as part of the number. An example is the hand in the kid license plate. It is on every kid license plate
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: renegade on June 26, 2015, 01:49:47 AM
Got my first look at the new Kansas sunflower vanity plate. I like it very much!

It looks better in real life. Especially on the sweet sports car it was on.

Are they going to be limited to just five characters or is the idea that plates that have five characters or fewer offset to the right so the sunflower is visible? I ask partly because if I ever got a personalized plate, I know what I want and that word, if available, has six letters.

/me should be getting a call from the county treasurer's office soon about re-upping on his "ROUTE56" vanity plate.

Picked up my new Vanity plate on Tuesday, with the full seven characters:

(http://www.route56.com/highways/plates/ROUTE56-16.jpg)

The new Kansas plate looks awesome, but the county sticker has got to go. 

Other than being required by law, what purpose does it serve?  One would think that information would be available to law enforcement officials, since they would be the only ones with a need to know which county any given motorist is from.  In my state, your county is coded on the registration form, and is shown on the officer's computer.  When I lived in Ohio, they implemented the spelled-out county name stickers, and used that as a reason to charge 50 cents each for them.  Is it just a money-grab then,  or is there something else I don't understand here?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on June 26, 2015, 09:52:42 AM
Those are just special characters of the ascii character set. The OP was referring to the way CA uses a special  symbol as part of the number. An example is the hand in the kid license plate. It is on every kid license plate

Sorry. 

How do they work with that?  Like if somebody got a ticket, would the meter maid write out "hand" or draw a hand or what?  Or what would you say  over the radio ?  I am in pursuit of a blue Toyota, California plate "HAND, ocean adam 5 7 delta 7".   And how would you do a data base search?  Would not a search for "hand" as the first character show up as just H?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:27:02 PM
I think that the other characters in the plate make it unique enough to be identifed
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

The info on the kid one is near the bottom of the page
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:32:08 PM


http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

The info on the kid one is near the bottom of the page

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
Sorry I dont know how to do this on a phone
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:37:13 PM


http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

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Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:38:52 PM


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Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:39:23 PM


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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&url=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:41:36 PM



 (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 26, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
I give up
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Molandfreak on June 26, 2015, 10:57:16 PM
WTF?


iPhone
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on June 26, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
why can't New York vehicles drive without a front plate?

Because it's the law.

NY Vehicle and Traffic Law, Section 402:

1. (a) No person shall operate, drive or park a motor vehicle on the public highways of this state unless such vehicle shall have a distinctive number assigned to it by the commissioner and a set of number plates issued by the commissioner with a number and other identification matter if any, corresponding to that of the certificate of registration conspicuously displayed, one on the front and one on the rear of such vehicle, each securely fastened so as to prevent the same from swinging and placed, whenever reasonably possible, not higher than forty-eight inches and not lower than twelve inches from the ground; provided, however, that in any registration year for which only one number plate is issued, such number plate shall constitute a set of number plates for the time in which such use is authorized, shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its front, except in case of a tractor, when such number plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its rear.
...
8. The violation of this section shall be punishable by a fine of not less than twenty-five nor more than two hundred dollars.

Source:  http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/VAT/IV/14/402
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on June 27, 2015, 12:21:08 AM
I think Kendancy was trying to paste a url that looks almost like this:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&url=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

but the iPhone autocorrected it by changing "url" to "urile" and something maybe like ":​p" to "[Emoji​14]" and maybe one or more other substitutions.  I don't think my best guess is quite right because I get the same generic page no matter what comes after &url=…
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 02:58:55 AM
I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:00:00 AM
Oops did it again
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:02:54 AM


I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:03:30 AM


I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:04:20 AM


I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp


Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:05:37 AM


I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp
 (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp)

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kendancy66 on June 27, 2015, 03:06:59 AM




I was trying to link to CA specialty license plates to show S P Cook the kid plate



 (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcmath:/dmv_content_en/dmv/online/elp/elp)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Buffaboy on June 27, 2015, 06:08:08 AM

why can't New York vehicles drive without a front plate?

Because it's the law.

NY Vehicle and Traffic Law, Section 402:

1. (a) No person shall operate, drive or park a motor vehicle on the public highways of this state unless such vehicle shall have a distinctive number assigned to it by the commissioner and a set of number plates issued by the commissioner with a number and other identification matter if any, corresponding to that of the certificate of registration conspicuously displayed, one on the front and one on the rear of such vehicle, each securely fastened so as to prevent the same from swinging and placed, whenever reasonably possible, not higher than forty-eight inches and not lower than twelve inches from the ground; provided, however, that in any registration year for which only one number plate is issued, such number plate shall constitute a set of number plates for the time in which such use is authorized, shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its front, except in case of a tractor, when such number plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its rear.
...
8. The violation of this section shall be punishable by a fine of not less than twenty-five nor more than two hundred dollars.

Source:  http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/VAT/IV/14/402

That's interesting, didn't know that exact law.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on June 28, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
Both bills relating to license plates which came up in the 2015 Nevada Legislature passed and have now been signed by the governor:  SB 229, creating a new specialty plate (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2350.msg2059763#msg2059763) which allows the vehicle owner to express a "Protect the Second Amendment" sentiment via the license plate, and AB 484, which provides that a set of plates has a lifespan of eight years and must be turned into the DMV for reissuance at the end of that period.

I haven't seen any urgent need for the second one.  If my plates still look fine after eight years, it irritates me that I need an interaction with the DMV and payment of some reissuance fee to boot just because an arbitrary time period has expired.  I guess it does eliminate the stacked-decal problem discussed above.

Gonealookin, thanks for posting this. I haven't read through this thread in a while, and hadn't heard anything about these bills during the session or in the other Nevada transportation venues I frequent. In many cases, plate reflectivity/degradation appears to be a non-issue. But I have seen some badly faded plates out there. So perhaps this is a good thing...?


I had to read up on this. The last plate re-issue dictated by the legislature started around 2001 for the 2002 registration year—that coincided with the transition from the silver "Bighorn Sheep" plate to the current "Sunset" standard plate. But that re-issue only affected people with standard license plates on the bighorn sheep design; all specialty plate designs and any simple blue plates issued prior to 1/1/1982 were exempt.

Reading up on AB 484, the new law appears to apply to ALL active plates with a few narrowly-defined exceptions. (Redesigned plates are prohibited from being reissued, without the plateholder's consent, to registrants with: plates issued prior to 1/1/1982 [blue plates], plates commemorating Nevada's 125th & 150th anniversary as a state, and [surprisingly] the UNR & UNLV collegiate plates—although the collegiate plates may be explained by the fact that both of these have been redesigned since 2010.) I interpreted the law to mean that special plates that are no longer issued by the DMV (due to not enough registrations) are required to be reissued every 8 years...wonder how that will work.


My only hope with this is, hopefully the standard Nevada plate will get a redesign soon to go along with the reissue. I hate the current Sunset plate. Maybe a reintroduction of the Bighorn Sheep design, colorized—actually, the current look of Nevada's driver's licenses is very similar to the old bighorn sheep plate and looks quite awesome (hint, hint, DMV...).


One other thing I found interesting while reading up on this: According to a statement from the DMV (listed as an exhibit on the AB 484 information page (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/78th2015/Bill/2226/Overview)), this rolling reissue of license plates is apparently in the interest of "public safety". That document also lists another change coming (possibly concurrently), also in the interest of public safety: a return to embossed license plates!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Quillz on July 07, 2015, 02:34:56 AM
How does an embossed license plate improve public safety?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on July 07, 2015, 06:33:18 AM
How does an embossed license plate improve public safety?

I think the theory is that a flat plate can be more easily changed.  You could turn a 3 to an 8 with a Sharpie marker, for example.  For that matter, a nice color printer could probably produce a serviceable replica of the entire plate.   An embossed plate, not so much.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Purgatory On Wheels on July 07, 2015, 08:32:29 AM
After seeing more and more states moving to flat plates, it's good to see a state considering a return to embossed,  Flat plates have never looked right to me.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: oscar on July 08, 2015, 12:47:18 AM
How does an embossed license plate improve public safety?

In addition to the better reason SP Cook cited, there's the secondary advantage that at least the numbers on an embossed plate are somewhat legible to a cop, if the plate is covered in mud or heavy dust (as my rear plate was a few days ago after a few hundred miles of driving on wet, unpaved secondary roads). Of course, the cop would still have to get one finger dirty to uncover the state/province name; or he could look at the front plate if there is one.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on July 08, 2015, 06:25:40 AM
..., if the plate is covered in mud or heavy dust

I think that is why the Mexicans do what they do.  Mexico has US sized plates, but the renewal sticker is a replica of the plate, about the size of a motorcycle plate, which they stick to the back window.  Even if the plate is totally dirty, the sticker can still be read.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on July 14, 2015, 06:53:09 AM
NC motorists will now have the choice of the long in the tooth "First In Flight" or the immediate predecessor slogan of "First In Freedom" on the standard plate.

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/vehicle/plates/FirstFreedomPlate.html (http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/vehicle/plates/FirstFreedomPlate.html)

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: DandyDan on August 27, 2015, 05:03:38 AM
Just curious, when exactly did Nebraska come out with  license plates that have "THE BEEF STATE" as a slogan?  I know that's an old slogan they used, but they now have a design that is similar to the Union Pacific plates my dad has on his pickup, or the Creighton University plates one of my coworkers has.  I just saw one yesterday when I was out and about.  I suspect they may be more popular in central and western Nebraska.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 02, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
In Colorado news:

As of about 3-4 months ago, Colorado has finally exhausted the 123-ABC series of plates. The series was extended by issuing every combination with one or more of the previously unused letter "Q" in it, so 001-AAQ to 999-ZZQ were produced in alphabetical sequence. Now the state is issuing plates with the ABC-123 sequence. Except, instead of starting with AAA, for reasons not fully understood, they started with QAA. According to licenseplates.cc, there was apparently a miscommunication between the Department of Revenue (which orders production of and issues the plates) and the Department of Corrections (which produces the plates). So, there are now plates on the road beginning with Q##-nnn and even R##-nnn.

Remains to be seen if they continue on through the alphabet with S, T and so on, or if they revert to the A series as was originally intended. I should note that some of the ABC-123 plates issued from 1983 to 1993 are still in circulation. The new plates are supposed to avoid any existing combinations still out there. Those old plates have worn quite well, compared to the new retroreflective 2000 series plates, which often fade and delaminate after years of sun exposure. Since plates stay with the owner, if you had one issued then, it could still be displayed on a vehicle now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jakeroot on September 02, 2015, 11:06:05 PM
I'm surprised they didn't jump ship to 7-digit plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 03, 2015, 04:59:13 AM
I'm surprised they didn't jump ship to 7-digit plates.
Two reasons not. First, there are already plates issued 1993-1999 on the road that have the sequence ABC1234. Since the letters were tied to particular counties, a few locations were running out of combinations, so the state switched to the 123ABC pattern where the letters are not itied to any particular county. There may have also been exhaustion of other types of plates which used different letter/number combinations, such as trucks or trailers. Second, all plates are issued from the same combination pool, and so different types of plates are differentiated by a stacked code to the left of the serial. So, a trailer has a vertical TRL on the plate. This takes a space that would be required to accommodate a seventh digit.

After the current plate design was introduced, the old plates were supposed to be called in but never were. So, there are plates on the road that were originally issued as far back as 1977. Some of those very old plates are in surprisingly good condition.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on September 03, 2015, 01:06:33 PM
I'm surprised they didn't jump ship to 7-digit plates.
Two reasons not. First, there are already plates issued 1993-1999 on the road that have the sequence ABC1234. Since the letters were tied to particular counties, a few locations were running out of combinations, so the state switched to the 123ABC pattern where the letters are not itied to any particular county. There may have also been exhaustion of other types of plates which used different letter/number combinations, such as trucks or trailers. Second, all plates are issued from the same combination pool, and so different types of plates are differentiated by a stacked code to the left of the serial. So, a trailer has a vertical TRL on the plate. This takes a space that would be required to accommodate a seventh digit.

After the current plate design was introduced, the old plates were supposed to be called in but never were. So, there are plates on the road that were originally issued as far back as 1977. Some of those very old plates are in surprisingly good condition.
When NY switched to 7 digit plates, we did a wholesale plate redesign and made the old plates illegal to use.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: swbrotha100 on September 03, 2015, 03:54:39 PM
How many states use 7 digits or 7 characters on their standard plate? I've found it interesting when certain high-population states go to great lengths to avoid them.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on September 03, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
Off the top of my head:

California
Arizona
Texas
New York
Georgia
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Michigan
Illinois


I know I'm missing a few, but there is a count of 10 to get us started.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on September 03, 2015, 04:44:35 PM
^^

Washington
Virginia
Alabama (uses different mix)
Ontario (uses 4 letters and 3 digits)
Connecticut?  wiki says they just switched to a 2 letter 5 digit format.
Idaho
Montana
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: elsmere241 on September 04, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
Delaware - eight if you count the P over C as two characters.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: OCGuy81 on September 04, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
^^

Washington
Virginia
Alabama (uses different mix)
Ontario (uses 4 letters and 3 digits)
Connecticut?  wiki says they just switched to a 2 letter 5 digit format.
Idaho
Montana


Ontario should be able to issue plates longer than any other jurisdiction you mentioned.  In the AAAA-000 format, they extend the available combinations by a factor of 26 (roughly).  They can probably issue for a century without running low.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on September 06, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
^^

Washington
Virginia
Alabama (uses different mix)
Ontario (uses 4 letters and 3 digits)
Connecticut?  wiki says they just switched to a 2 letter 5 digit format.
Idaho
Montana


Ontario should be able to issue plates longer than any other jurisdiction you mentioned.  In the AAAA-000 format, they extend the available combinations by a factor of 26 (roughly).  They can probably issue for a century without running low.
Although with 4 letters more words can be spelled. More forbidden combos.  It would be cool to have SHIT 123 as your tag
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Scott5114 on September 08, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
You could avoid stuff like that by mixing up the letter combination, so it's something like 12SH3IT. Or simply skip over the offensive combos like they do now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
Pennsylvania
PA switched over to 7 digits sometime circa 1992-93.  The first PA plate I received in January of 1991 still had 6 digits (it had a YNY prefix).  The 2nd plate I received after buying a 2nd car in September of 1993 contained 7 digits (it had an ALH prefix).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on September 14, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
I think I've noticed a double helix watermark in the retroreflective background of Kansas and Kentucky plates. What's with that?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on September 14, 2015, 11:26:29 PM
I think I've noticed a double helix watermark in the retroreflective background of Kansas and Kentucky plates. What's with that?

Not sure, but the more recent Colorado plates have that watermark as well.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Big John on September 14, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
I think the watermarks are there to detect counter-fitting as a proactive move.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: catch22 on September 15, 2015, 09:07:21 AM
I think I've noticed a double helix watermark in the retroreflective background of Kansas and Kentucky plates. What's with that?

It's a security feature provided by the manufacturer (3M).

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/NA_Motor_Vehicle_Services_Systems/Motor_Vehicle_Industry_Solutions/product_catalog/reflective-license-plate/license-plate-security-feature/?PC_Z7_U00M8B1A00PAD0A0C2MU390MG0000000_nid=90G94ZV31LbeMWDVM6RXWXgl
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on September 15, 2015, 11:14:16 AM
I think I've noticed a double helix watermark in the retroreflective background of Kansas and Kentucky plates. What's with that?

It's a security feature provided by the manufacturer (3M).

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/NA_Motor_Vehicle_Services_Systems/Motor_Vehicle_Industry_Solutions/product_catalog/reflective-license-plate/license-plate-security-feature/?PC_Z7_U00M8B1A00PAD0A0C2MU390MG0000000_nid=90G94ZV31LbeMWDVM6RXWXgl
Massachusetts has had similar watermarks (a circle with the shape of the state inside with the fabrication year enclosed in the state shape) since the Spirit of America plates first rolled out.  Even the final green-on-white plates (my mother's early 90s plate) had such.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: gonealookin on September 18, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
One other thing I found interesting while reading up on this: According to a statement from the DMV (listed as an exhibit on the AB 484 information page (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/78th2015/Bill/2226/Overview)), this rolling reissue of license plates is apparently in the interest of "public safety". That document also lists another change coming (possibly concurrently), also in the interest of public safety: a return to embossed license plates!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I've seen a couple of Nevada's new raised-lettering plates which are being phased in, as discussed in this Review-Journal piece. (http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/road-warrior/thin-font-nevada-license-plates-arent-fakes) (unfortunately, the image at the top of that article is of a Sesquicentennial plate and is unrelated to what the writer is discussing).  The most notable thing about the new plates is the very narrow font of the lettering; I almost want to call it "Kate Moss font".  The little state shape in between digits 3 and 4, replacing the old round dot, is a nice little touch.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: MikeTheActuary on September 19, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
The Courant is announcing that Connecticut is abandoning its current 1AB-CD2 license plate number series for the seven-character pattern AB-12345.  The change is partly in recognition that the DMV can now handle seven-character plates, and partly because the pattern used was "too hard to remember".

Story (may be paywalled): http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-license-plates-0919-20150918-story.html

CT exhausted the 123-ABC series a couple of years ago.  There was a brief period of time where private cars drew from the Combination series before moving to 1ABCD2, with a quick change to 1AB-CD2 when LEO's complained about the plates being too hard to read without a dot.

The leading line of the Courant article:  "Twenty million license plate combinations down the drain".
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on September 19, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
If they're changing because the pattern is too hard to remember, why not use ABC-1234?  I would think that would be easier to remember than AB-12345.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PaulRAnderson on September 19, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
I agree that the series without the dot was much harder to read than the earlier 123-ABC series.  All the characters seemed squashed in the middle of the plate.

I have seen one of the new AB-12345 series in the wild.

Paul
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on September 20, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
I think I've noticed a double helix watermark in the retroreflective background of Kansas and Kentucky plates. What's with that?

It's a security feature provided by the manufacturer (3M).

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/NA_Motor_Vehicle_Services_Systems/Motor_Vehicle_Industry_Solutions/product_catalog/reflective-license-plate/license-plate-security-feature/?PC_Z7_U00M8B1A00PAD0A0C2MU390MG0000000_nid=90G94ZV31LbeMWDVM6RXWXgl

I just noticed the helix watermark on the most-recent issue of the Arizona plates with the "purple cactus" desert scene.  At night, the watermark blends right in, looking like smoke from a small campfire in the desert!!

I couldn't take a photo, but perhaps another person can get a flash photo of the Arizona plate at night to illustrate my point (Hint Hint).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: roadfro on September 21, 2015, 06:10:18 AM
One other thing I found interesting while reading up on this: According to a statement from the DMV (listed as an exhibit on the AB 484 information page (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/78th2015/Bill/2226/Overview)), this rolling reissue of license plates is apparently in the interest of "public safety". That document also lists another change coming (possibly concurrently), also in the interest of public safety: a return to embossed license plates!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I've seen a couple of Nevada's new raised-lettering plates which are being phased in, as discussed in this Review-Journal piece. (http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/road-warrior/thin-font-nevada-license-plates-arent-fakes) (unfortunately, the image at the top of that article is of a Sesquicentennial plate and is unrelated to what the writer is discussing).  The most notable thing about the new plates is the very narrow font of the lettering; I almost want to call it "Kate Moss font".  The little state shape in between digits 3 and 4, replacing the old round dot, is a nice little touch.

I've seen some of Nevada's new embossed plates, on both the sesquicentennial plate and on the standard Sunset plate. The letter font is narrower, and also appears to be a tad bit shorter—seems like they are overall harder to read than both the flat plates and the original embossed lettering (although some of the letter forms are a bit different in style than before and makes the font less blocky). I really do like the Nevada dot though.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Sam on September 24, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
New York is changing "Official" plates used by municipal and quasi-governmental agencies from "12345 A" to "AB 1234" and the entire legal name of the agency spelled out in full on the plate.

That's not bad for a snowplow from the "County of Erie AB 1234" but it looks just plain ridiculous on a van from the "Hamilton Fulton Montgomery Board of Cooperative Educational Services AB 1234".
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on September 25, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
I think the NYSDOT cars have been using that format for a while now.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on September 25, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
I think having the name of the agency is a good idea.  In my state, non-police plates simply read "COUNTY" "CITY" or "STATE" with no indication of which agency, or which county or city or whether the county car belongs to the county, the school board, or some other county board. 

If the full agency were on the plates, at least it is possible to question why the car is being driven home, driven dangerously, driven to non-work locations, and other abuses.  At least you know who to call.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on September 28, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
WV's odd numbering system has again been exhausted.

First series was *L NNNN, which exhausted in the 80s.  Follow up series was *LL NNN, which has reached exhaustion.  New series is *NL NNN. 

In all cases * is the expiration month.  1 though 9, O, N, and D.  Obviously quite wasteful.  A simple NNN LLL, with the month indicated with a sticker, like most states, would serve this small jurisdiction forever.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kphoger on September 28, 2015, 04:59:46 PM
WV's odd numbering system has again been exhausted.

First series was *L NNNN, which exhausted in the 80s.  Follow up series was *LL NNN, which has reached exhaustion.  New series is *NL NNN. 

In all cases * is the expiration month.  1 though 9, O, N, and D.  Obviously quite wasteful.  A simple NNN LLL, with the month indicated with a sticker, like most states, would serve this small jurisdiction forever.



I don't really think it's too great of a concern to the powers that be. It's not like they got toward the end of the *LL NNN series, suddenly panicked and shouted 'Oh crap!', then convened an emergency brainstorming session to figure out the new series. And it's not like the limitation of the series never occurred to them either; it's pretty basic math that reveals twelve characters to be fewer than thirty-five.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vtk on September 28, 2015, 08:56:28 PM
I got a good photo of the double helix watermark on a Kansas plate:
(http://vidthekid.info/imghost/helix.jpeg)

There's also a smaller, circular watermark that's much more difficult to see & photograph.  It's invisible from almost every angle, or at least it was in the lighting conditions I was working with.  The circle contains the letters KS, and something else that's partly obscured by the embossed digit:
(http://vidthekid.info/imghost/circleks.jpeg)
I had to make a significant contrast enhancement here.  The watermark is almost lost in the digital camera's JPEG-exacerbated sensor noise.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: discochris on September 29, 2015, 12:07:12 AM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars? Michigan allows the owner of a collector car to register an original plate from the same year as the model year of the vehicle, so long as it qualifies as an antique (26 years old). The car can't be used for daily transportation. So if my father still had his first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala, and if he had his original 1963 plates, he could use one of them on the car as long the plate was in good condition. People here even have old plates repainted so that they can be reused.

Minnesota allows it if that numbering combination would not be used on another plate. I have them on my 1966 Ford pickup.  That year MN used AA 1234 as their pattern, which hasn't been used in many years (early 1970's I think). I bought the plates off ebay, and just had to bring them into the DMV.  The vehicle I believe also must have a collector plate issued to it which must be presented if requested, so I keep mine under the seat. The nice thing is that with collector or YOM plates, there is no renewal fee. I keep my truck in Wisconsin actually, so I doubt any LEO in the area would even know what was going on.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: adt1982 on October 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
It will be interesting to see what Illinois does once the Z## #### series is exhausted.  The only letters they haven't used in this series are I, O, and Q.  M is used for municipal plates and U for state-owned vehicles.
Title: New North Dakota License Plate
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2015, 10:35:54 AM
New general issue licenses plates are being issued in North Dakota starting this month. (https://www.dot.nd.gov/public/new-mv-plate.htm)

(https://www.dot.nd.gov/imgs/mvplates-new-old.jpg)

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The 2013-2015 state legislature directed the NDDOT to create and distribute a new flat license plate for general issuance. The Buffalo Plate has been in use for 23 years and some of these plates are deteriorating and losing the reflectivity.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on December 16, 2015, 01:25:48 PM
Goodbye "Sunrise," SC introduces new, simplified license plates (http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/30758367/goodbye-sunrise-south-carolina-introduces-new-simplified-license-plates)

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The DMV will begin issuing a new license plate and sticker to all those who currently have the "Sunrise" plate during the next few months. The "Sunrise" license plate was first introduced in 2008.

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In May, the DMV began issuing redesigned license plates to comply with South Carolina law, which require a basic design for all license plates. The first to be simplified were specialty plates.

Look for the plates in early 2016. The new plates will have one validation sticker placement area instead of two. The new stickers will have both the month and year, eliminating the need for a month sticker. Switching to a single sticker process will mean more than $800,000 savings during the reissue cycle, according to the DMV.

(http://wistv.images.worldnow.com/images/9464697_G.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: 1995hoo on January 01, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
Ok, people are always putting their decals on the wrong side or at a strange angle or the like. But how the heck do you make this mistake? Seen yesterday on a Mercedes at Total Wine in Springfield.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/13aa38d5142c0ab6534c94d90c5c1ee2_zpsozf5amzf.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SD Mapman on January 01, 2016, 12:31:47 PM
Not sure if this was in yet, but SD now has new standard plates for 2016!
(http://media.graytvinc.com/images/South+Dakota+License+Plate+2016.jpg)
Article: New South Dakota license plate design for 2016 unveiled (http://news.sd.gov/newsitem.aspx?id=18445)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Zzonkmiles on January 01, 2016, 02:07:39 PM
The South Carolina license plate reissue has been met with a lot of criticism because they just released the current plates within the last three years I believe. I personally don't care much for the newest design, but it is much easier to read. Any idea why SC seems to change its license plate design every four years or so?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: discochris on January 03, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Do any other states have the option to allow the reuse of vintage plates on collector cars? Michigan allows the owner of a collector car to register an original plate from the same year as the model year of the vehicle, so long as it qualifies as an antique (26 years old). The car can't be used for daily transportation. So if my father still had his first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala, and if he had his original 1963 plates, he could use one of them on the car as long the plate was in good condition. People here even have old plates repainted so that they can be reused.

Minnesota does. I have a set of 1966 plates on my '66 Ford truck. It has to be from a year that didn't use either the ABC-123 or 123-ABC numbering system though, and you're supposed to carry your collector plate in the vehicle.

I wish MN would redesign our plates though. It's been the same basic design (with some minor updates) since 1978.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on January 05, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Bold emphasis added:
Ok, people are always putting their decals on the wrong side or at a strange angle or the like. But how the heck do you make this mistake? Seen yesterday on a Mercedes at Total Wine in Springfield.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/13aa38d5142c0ab6534c94d90c5c1ee2_zpsozf5amzf.jpg)
Maybe the owner had a little too much of their stock when he placed the decal on. :) 

Either that or he thought of the year 1991.   :sombrero:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: NJ on January 07, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
I like plates that have map and nickname of the state, such as New Jersey, New York.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 11, 2016, 12:48:18 PM
Effective Jan. 1, 2017; PennDOT will no longer be issuing registration stickers for license plates.

Five things to Know About PennDOT's Elimination of Registration Stickers (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160212_Five_things_to_know_about_PennDOT_s_elimination_of_registration_stickers.html)

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PennDOT says it will eliminate the use of registration stickers beginning Jan. 1, 2017, and automated license plate reader technology will help law enforcement verify expired registrations.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: briantroutman on February 11, 2016, 02:56:04 PM
Effective Jan. 1, 2017; PennDOT will no longer be issuing registration stickers for license plates.

Perhaps now, residents of the Delaware Valley won’t have to worry about marauding bands of thieves with tinsnips cutting off the corners of their license plates.

It seems that the same logic could be applied to safety and emissions inspection stickers as well, right? That’s essentially what California has done with emissions inspection certification (rely on an electronic record associated with the license plate number), yet they still issue registration stickers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 11, 2016, 07:23:57 PM
Perhaps now, residents of the Delaware Valley won’t have to worry about marauding bands of thieves with tinsnips cutting off the corners of their license plates.
A blue PA plate I had on the back of my '76 LTD back in the late 90s almost became a victim of such.  I noticed a slight bend in the plate where the registration sticker is.

It seems that the same logic could be applied to safety and emissions inspection stickers as well, right?
I wouldn't bank on such happening in the Keystone State just yet.  Not every county in PA does/requires emissions testing.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Flyer78 on February 11, 2016, 08:12:42 PM
I always thought they could/should combine the window sticker. Nothing stopping them from having an inspection or inspection/emission sticker (modified however necessary)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 12, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
I always thought they could/should combine the window sticker. Nothing stopping them from having an inspection or inspection/emission sticker (modified however necessary)
Massachusetts has done such for decades; although most vehicles (less than 15 years old) are required to undergo an emissions test every 2 years regardless of which county the vehicle is registered.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 12, 2016, 09:02:24 AM
Effective Jan. 1, 2017; PennDOT will no longer be issuing registration stickers for license plates.

Perhaps now, residents of the Delaware Valley won’t have to worry about marauding bands of thieves with tinsnips cutting off the corners of their license plates.


I didn't think this was much of a thing for the past decade.

There is a thing though where, for a small fee, some unscrupulous inspection stations will sell you a sticker without having the actual testing done.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 12, 2016, 10:28:41 AM
Effective Jan. 1, 2017; PennDOT will no longer be issuing registration stickers for license plates.
Perhaps now, residents of the Delaware Valley won’t have to worry about marauding bands of thieves with tinsnips cutting off the corners of their license plates.

I didn't think this was much of a thing for the past decade.
Moving the spot for the registration sticker from the lower-left (upon original issue) to the upper-left of the plate (when PA first adopted the tri-color scheme with a URL address on the bottom) plus most newer vehicles no longer have the mountings for rear-license plates located in such a way where one can easily get at one corner (not without a struggle anyway) have indeed cut the number of plate clippings and/or sticker thefts down.  Of course, one can always steal the entire plate; but such can still happen plate sticker or no plate sticker.

There is a thing though where, for a small fee, some unscrupulous inspection stations will sell you a sticker without having the actual testing done.
Such practice only applied towards the windshield stickers; not plate stickers.  To quote the Frontier Airlines slogan, that's a whole different animal.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on February 18, 2016, 10:43:29 AM
[http://www.towleroad.com/2016/01/gay-florida-man-complains-receiving-gay-license-plate-auto-dealership-video/

So this gay man is upset because his Volvo got a general issue tag with GAY W13.  He got all butt hurt and complained to channel 9 news in Orlando.  Really a non-issue the tax collector would change it out for him no charge, or he could have opted for one of the myriad of specialty tags

(http://)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 18, 2016, 12:22:52 PM
Was the 2nd sentence in your post an intentional pun?  :rofl:
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on February 18, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
Was the 2nd sentence in your post an intentional pun?  :rofl:
No.. But it is funny
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SidS1045 on February 19, 2016, 11:40:12 AM
I always thought they could/should combine the window sticker. Nothing stopping them from having an inspection or inspection/emission sticker (modified however necessary)
Massachusetts has done such for decades; although most vehicles (less than 15 years old) are required to undergo an emissions test every 2 years regardless of which county the vehicle is registered.

Back in the days of the sheet-metal plates which were supposed to be used for two years (with a legend such as "MASS 64" or "66 MASS"), the second year was validated by a white windshield sticker, placed top center (see below).  So, every other year, you had two windshield stickers.  Plate stickers didn't show up until after they started using the reflectorized aluminum plates in 1967.

(http://www.plateshack.com/massachusetts/ma65ws.jpg)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on February 19, 2016, 02:47:43 PM
I probably mentioned similar earlier in this thread; but given that it's now 37 pages long, I'll repeat it here.  The last of the windshield registration stickers were the square blue 69 stickers.

(http://www.chauffeurbadges.com/resources/ma+ws+reg+69.gif)

Growing up, I remember seeing many older cars that either still had this sticker on in tact or traces of it where the service station attendant scraped it off.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: The Nature Boy on February 19, 2016, 10:44:36 PM
(http://www.newsobserver.com/news/traffic/26w9rm/picture25995229/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/FirstInFreedom)

Coincidence that North Carolina would begin issuing a standard plate that says "First in Freedom" during the tenure of Ohio-born Governor Pat McCrory? Sneaky Ohio sneaky.

(Yes, NCDOT is treating that a standard issue plate and not charging extra. You can still get "First in Flight" though.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SteveG1988 on February 21, 2016, 09:12:54 PM
Effective Jan. 1, 2017; PennDOT will no longer be issuing registration stickers for license plates.
Perhaps now, residents of the Delaware Valley won’t have to worry about marauding bands of thieves with tinsnips cutting off the corners of their license plates.

I didn't think this was much of a thing for the past decade.
Moving the spot for the registration sticker from the lower-left (upon original issue) to the upper-left of the plate (when PA first adopted the tri-color scheme with a URL address on the bottom) plus most newer vehicles no longer have the mountings for rear-license plates located in such a way where one can easily get at one corner (not without a struggle anyway) have indeed cut the number of plate clippings and/or sticker thefts down.  Of course, one can always steal the entire plate; but such can still happen plate sticker or no plate sticker.

There is a thing though where, for a small fee, some unscrupulous inspection stations will sell you a sticker without having the actual testing done.
Such practice only applied towards the windshield stickers; not plate stickers.  To quote the Frontier Airlines slogan, that's a whole different animal.

In smog states it is easy to get a "pass" If i am buying a used car i would trust a state run inspection for NJ than a private facility. Where on a pre 1996 car all they would have to do is smog test a car that passed, and feed that data into the computer.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
Iowa bill would eliminate front license plates (http://wqad.com/2016/03/02/iowa-bill-would-eliminate-front-license-plates/)

Iowa lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate front license plates.

Under House Bill 540, only one registration plate would be issued and attached to the rear of a vehicle. The plan could save the state nearly $500,000 annually. (http://Iowa lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate front license plates.

Under House Bill 540, only one registration plate would be issued and attached to the rear of a vehicle. The plan could save the state nearly $500,000 annually.)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: corco on March 04, 2016, 12:17:21 AM
New Wyoming plates started appearing last month for 2-year registrations. One year registrations will wait another year for the new plates.

 (http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-new-wyoming-license-plate-design-to-start-appearing-next/article_72f69883-0765-525b-950c-1c1091e404e4.html)

Not too bad - we'll see how they age.

(http://www.dot.state.wy.us/files/live/sites/wydot/files/shared/Motor%20Vehicle%20Services/0-SMPL%20for%20website.jpg)

Interestingly, two digit counties will return to being stacked so that toll roads will understand them.
http://sundancetimes.com/new-license-plates-revealed/ (http://sundancetimes.com/new-license-plates-revealed/)
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on March 04, 2016, 11:12:00 AM
Iowa bill would eliminate front license plates (http://wqad.com/2016/03/02/iowa-bill-would-eliminate-front-license-plates/)

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Under House Bill 540, only one registration plate would be issued and attached to the rear of a vehicle. The plan could save the state nearly $500,000 annually.]Iowa lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate front license plates.

Under House Bill 540, only one registration plate would be issued and attached to the rear of a vehicle. The plan could save the state nearly $500,000 annually.
Broken link in 2nd part of above-quote intentionally fixed.

Sounds like Iowa's doing what Massachusetts did during the mid-to-late 70s with their green-on-white plates (some of which are still around).  Like Massachusetts, there's already some opposed to such in Iowa as mentioned further down in the article:

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However, members of local law enforcement agencies say there are benefits to having two plates, like easier identification of cars headed their way.

"If we have an attempt to locate vehicle, if it's someone who's maybe having a medical problem, maybe a subject that's wanted in a crime, maybe a reckless driver complaint, if we're sitting in the median and we can see that front plate, we have the description of the vehicle, we confirm it," said Trooper Dan Loussaert.

Loussaert, though, says the Iowa State Patrol is neither opposed nor in support of the bill.

In short: same stuff/different state.  Let's see what happens 10 years down the road.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Alex on April 01, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Should Iowa license plates drop the county name? Never! (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/life/2016/03/30/should-iowa-license-plates-drop-county-name-never/82422674/)

A story covering the history of county names being added to Iowa license plates and opinions on whether or not they should still be displayed. Personally I like seeing the county name on license plates, so hopefully they stay.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: thenetwork on April 01, 2016, 04:31:39 PM
Should Iowa license plates drop the county name? Never! (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/life/2016/03/30/should-iowa-license-plates-drop-county-name-never/82422674/)

A story covering the history of county names being added to Iowa license plates and opinions on whether or not they should still be displayed. Personally I like seeing the county name on license plates, so hopefully they stay.

Ohio used to have the county name ala Iowa, but changed to a permanent numbered sticker (which corresponded to a specific county) that was affixed to the back of the plate around 2000.  So usually, Ohioans can tell who their "neighbors" are in the wild, but those unfamiliar with the county number system are most likely clueless.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SP Cook on April 03, 2016, 08:16:20 AM
Nebraska has an issue.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/License-Plate-Adjustment-Announced-374330071.html

New plates were to use "the sower" an allegorical statue of a Roman farmer.  However the designer used a picture of the version at Michigan State U., not the one at Nebraska's capitol.

Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on April 03, 2016, 09:23:09 AM
Should Iowa license plates drop the county name? Never! (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/life/2016/03/30/should-iowa-license-plates-drop-county-name-never/82422674/)

A story covering the history of county names being added to Iowa license plates and opinions on whether or not they should still be displayed. Personally I like seeing the county name on license plates, so hopefully they stay.
Florida has the option for County names, but most people opt for generic "Sunshine State" or ' In God We Trust"( except Miami-Dade which does not offer County name).. Not to mention one if the hundreds of specialty tags. The canceled 2012 redesign of tags did not have Counties..

People like the privacy of no County... And back in the 1990s there were some tourists murdered in Miami.. There were rumors gangs were killing people with non Dade tags..

Funny thing those "I want privacy" types have stickers showing their hobbies, kids schools, sports played, names, church,causes etc.. But God forbid someone knows I live in Duval County!
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Darkchylde on April 03, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
I saw a car with a new Louisiana plate while riding around the other day in KC. Had to have been general issue, it was three letters then three digits. I figured they would have quit doing the bicentennial plate by now, but I couldn't fully read the new design at freeway speed. Anyone got news on this?
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 03, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
NY also allows people to pay extra for county plates (along with the hobby/profession designs).
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: cl94 on April 03, 2016, 03:20:43 PM
NY also allows people to pay extra for county plates (along with the hobby/profession designs).

New York has a boatload of alternative designs. There are very few county plates publicly available, most being regional. Saratoga, Schenectady, and Washington are the only 3 counties I know of with dedicated plates.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: vdeane on April 03, 2016, 03:22:32 PM
NY also allows people to pay extra for county plates (along with the hobby/profession designs).

New York has a boatload of alternative designs. There are very few county plates publicly available, most being regional. Saratoga, Schenectady, and Washington are the only 3 counties I know of with dedicated plates.
The DMV website listed all of them the last time I looked.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: Doctor Whom on April 04, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
Should Iowa license plates drop the county name? Never! (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/life/2016/03/30/should-iowa-license-plates-drop-county-name-never/82422674/)

A story covering the history of county names being added to Iowa license plates and opinions on whether or not they should still be displayed. Personally I like seeing the county name on license plates, so hopefully they stay.
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“And law enforcement says it helps them identify when somebody is out of place.”
That's an excellent reason not to have it.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: kkt on April 05, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
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“And law enforcement says it helps them identify when somebody is out of place.”
That's an excellent reason not to have it.

 :clap:

Isn't there a song lyric about a corrupt small-town cop that goes something like "I'd like to see 'em try to get by me with their outta state license plates!".  Google fails, but I remember it pretty well. 

Putting the county on the plate just extends the same opportunity for favoritism to local law enforcement.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: PHLBOS on April 05, 2016, 02:44:38 PM
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“And law enforcement says it helps them identify when somebody is out of place.”
That's an excellent reason not to have it.

 :clap:

Isn't there a song lyric about a corrupt small-town cop that goes something like "I'd like to see 'em try to get by me with their outta state license plates!".  Google fails, but I remember it pretty well. 

Putting the county on the plate just extends the same opportunity for favoritism to local law enforcement.

Such also means that if someone moves within the sate but to a different county; they may (since I've never resided in a state that places county names on plates, I'm only speculating) be forced to change their license plate(s) to one(s) that bears their present county residence.  An additional hassle IMHO.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jbnati27 on April 06, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
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“And law enforcement says it helps them identify when somebody is out of place.”
That's an excellent reason not to have it.

 :clap:

Isn't there a song lyric about a corrupt small-town cop that goes something like "I'd like to see 'em try to get by me with their outta state license plates!".  Google fails, but I remember it pretty well. 

Putting the county on the plate just extends the same opportunity for favoritism to local law enforcement.

Such also means that if someone moves within the sate but to a different county; they may (since I've never resided in a state that places county names on plates, I'm only speculating) be forced to change their license plate(s) to one(s) that bears their present county residence.  An additional hassle IMHO.
When we had the county names on our plates in Ohio, if you moved to a different county within the state, it was just a matter of getting the new county name sticker and overlaying the old one. Now, we use county number stickers instead. I liked it better when we had the county names, but I do enjoy the challenge of knowing the county numbers.
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: jwolfer on April 06, 2016, 01:21:18 PM
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“And law enforcement says it helps them identify when somebody is out of place.”
That's an excellent reason not to have it.

 :clap:

Isn't there a song lyric about a corrupt small-town cop that goes something like "I'd like to see 'em try to get by me with their outta state license plates!".  Google fails, but I remember it pretty well. 

Putting the county on the plate just extends the same opportunity for favoritism to local law enforcement.

Such also means that if someone moves within the sate but to a different county; they may (since I've never resided in a state that places county names on plates, I'm only speculating) be forced to change their license plate(s) to one(s) that bears their present county residence.  An additional hassle IMHO.
In Florida they don't make you change .. I have had Duval tags since moving to Clay in 2012.

 In the past new tags were issued yearly so it was changed.. But that was back before names were used .. It was numbers.. Based on 1930s population.

Unlike some other states tags are issued by County tax collectors office not state. So if the dealer got your tags it was from where you bought car.. Money would go to.home county
Title: Re: License Plate News
Post by: SD Mapman