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Title: End signs at state lines
Post by: bugo on March 14, 2019, 05:25:31 AM
Here's one. Are there any others?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190314/cd10fbe779c3efd034ca5098eff774aa.jpg)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Mapmikey on March 14, 2019, 06:17:26 AM
NC 14 has END and BEGIN banners at the Virginia State Line:

(http://vahighways.com/ncannex/ncends/images/nc14_nt.jpg)
Photo by Chris Curley

Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 06:46:42 AM
MO-139 ends at the Missouri/Iowa state line. North of the line it is an Iowa county road.

(https://i.imgur.com/Rxb5FzX.jpg)

There are BEGIN/END signs for MN-36/WI-64 just east of the new St. Croix River bridge. I don't have my own pictures of these yet, so here's GSV.
Link 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0479857,-92.7796695,3a,75y,27.54h,85.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgz3svDNvwnRlAXI5iDvELg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Link 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.047188,-92.7805322,3a,45y,222.1h,83.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siDLOOvwRj35icjJeXf2Vyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Eth on March 14, 2019, 08:40:44 AM
GA 520 has an END sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4532753,-84.9922103,3a,75y,258.64h,102.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spX73-cz8tYkJrjw3dGzvkw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) where it crosses the Chattahoochee into Alabama.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: catch22 on March 14, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Michigan's M-156 has one at the Ohio border just south of Morenci.  The road continues as Ohio Route 108.

https://goo.gl/maps/PVTmp9Jmvco
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: 1995hoo on March 14, 2019, 09:20:23 AM
Hereís something similar yet different. VA-/WV-39 keeps the same number when it crosses the state line, so thereís no ďEndĒ sign for the numberóbut Virginia posted a ďLeaving Virginia BywayĒ sign just before the state line (the flip side has ďEnteringĒ). This is kind of grainy, but if you know the Virginia Byway sign itís easily recognizable for what it is. (Link comes from the Google Maps app, so you might have to pan the image on a PC.)

https://goo.gl/maps/6QY7qLebKZk
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: oscar on March 14, 2019, 09:26:58 AM
In Burlington IA, eastbound on US 34/IA 163, there is an End IA 163 on the bridge at the Illinois state line. I saw this just a few days ago.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: nexus73 on March 14, 2019, 09:53:12 AM
I wonder what the eastern end of SR 299 in California at the Nevada border looks like?  Looks like it will be up to Mad Max to find out...LOL!

Rick
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: 1995hoo on March 14, 2019, 10:16:11 AM
I wonder what the eastern end of SR 299 in California at the Nevada border looks like?  Looks like it will be up to Mad Max to find out...LOL!

Rick

Is there a joke Iím missing here?
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: hbelkins on March 14, 2019, 11:08:01 AM
This assembly used to be posted at Ft. Gay, WV, where WV 37 crosses the Big Sandy River into Kentucky.

(http://millenniumhwy.net/signs%26sights/wv/wayne/toUS23-endWV37.jpg)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: bzakharin on March 14, 2019, 12:55:17 PM
Here's an NJ County Route END sign at Burlington County line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.921505,-74.9639734,3a,37.5y,222.79h,89.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8v81UsAzKfgk2mnulS5MDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
The route continues into Camden County with the same number.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: US 89 on March 14, 2019, 01:28:02 PM
Three Utah state highways end at the Idaho line and continue on the other side as county roads. UT 42 doesn't appear to have an end sign, but 23 and 200 do:

UT 23: https://goo.gl/maps/fJFVfFDfRRA2
UT 200: https://goo.gl/maps/uu2on6pyZ6s
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: formulanone on March 14, 2019, 06:09:32 PM
I wonder what the eastern end of SR 299 in California at the Nevada border looks like?  Looks like it will be up to Mad Max to find out...LOL!

Rick
Is there a joke Iím missing here?

There's no GSV past there (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5574306,-119.999249,3a,90y,19.78h,94.08t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1soolV5lDKxyDToVI-odFXOw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DoolV5lDKxyDToVI-odFXOw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D105.89578%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100) (but an old NV-8A shield) in that high desert terrain.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: sparker on March 14, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
I wonder what the eastern end of SR 299 in California at the Nevada border looks like?  Looks like it will be up to Mad Max to find out...LOL!

Rick

Is there a joke Iím missing here?

Our own Max Rockatansky has been keeping himself busy documenting pretty much any and all CA state highways with photo logs; he'll likely be covering the east end of CA 299 at some point -- at which time we'll know whether an "END" shield assembly exists.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on March 14, 2019, 06:31:34 PM
MN 36/WIS 64 have dual end/begin on the new St. Croix crossing. WIS 64 formerly had one at the old lift bridge.

SD 10 has an End where it becomes MN 28.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: 1995hoo on March 14, 2019, 07:51:04 PM
I wonder what the eastern end of SR 299 in California at the Nevada border looks like?  Looks like it will be up to Mad Max to find out...LOL!

Rick
Is there a joke Iím missing here?

There's no GSV past there (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5574306,-119.999249,3a,90y,19.78h,94.08t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1soolV5lDKxyDToVI-odFXOw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DoolV5lDKxyDToVI-odFXOw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D105.89578%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100) (but an old NV-8A shield) in that high desert terrain.


Yeah, I looked that up before making my comment, and indeed thatís why I made the comment (that is, since there was Street View I didnít get why he was wondering what the end looked like). But sparker clarified it.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Revive 755 on March 14, 2019, 10:05:33 PM
At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131 (https://goo.gl/maps/2QpxqBQV6FH2)
*NB IL 137 (https://goo.gl/maps/PKEsNtzoqHq)
*NB IL 47 (https://goo.gl/maps/oxyB9VRQdpD2)
*NB IL 76 (https://goo.gl/maps/Dt4447k5csS2)
*IL 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/EQaTn4dfkoD2)
*IL 26 (https://goo.gl/maps/jLfXSbLX1NL2)
*IL 84 (https://goo.gl/maps/dcNrLaud7P62)

Missouri Border
IL 150 (https://goo.gl/maps/meKBXDHC6PF2)

Kentucky Border
IL 13 (https://goo.gl/maps/xvFxBLcYVK72)

Indiana Border
IL 141 (https://goo.gl/maps/v24rJ2Khbd32)
IL 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/X5YmnaRE6aq)
IL 9 (https://goo.gl/maps/o1ECacZ8Qo52)

Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Alabama 41 south at the Florida state line:

(https://www.aaroads.com/al/041/al-041-s-at-fl-line-1.jpg)

U.S. 29/Alabama 113 south at the Florida state line:

(https://www.aaroads.com/al/029/us-029-al-113-s-at-fl-line-1.jpg)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: kphoger on March 15, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
Question:  Do you think there should be an END sign at a state line that bisects an MSR?

Random example:  KS-52 continues into Missouri as MO-52.  Should there be a sign saying END KS-52, or would that simply confuse drivers more than it would help them?
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: 1 on March 15, 2019, 02:46:52 PM
Question:  Do you think there should be an END sign at a state line that bisects an MSR?

Random example:  KS-52 continues into Missouri as MO-52.  Should there be a sign saying END KS-52, or would that simply confuse drivers more than it would help them?

There should not be an end sign. The route doesn't end; it just continues into a different state.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: kphoger on March 15, 2019, 02:49:04 PM

Question:  Do you think there should be an END sign at a state line that bisects an MSR?

Random example:  KS-52 continues into Missouri as MO-52.  Should there be a sign saying END KS-52, or would that simply confuse drivers more than it would help them?

There should not be an end sign. The route doesn't end; it just continues into a different state.

Is your answer the same or different if the number changes at the state line?
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: 1 on March 15, 2019, 03:04:45 PM

Question:  Do you think there should be an END sign at a state line that bisects an MSR?

Random example:  KS-52 continues into Missouri as MO-52.  Should there be a sign saying END KS-52, or would that simply confuse drivers more than it would help them?

There should not be an end sign. The route doesn't end; it just continues into a different state.

Is your answer the same or different if the number changes at the state line?

If the number changes at the state line, there should be a sign. It has nothing to do with the state line; it would also be the case if the number changed within a state, like US 206 and NJ 54. (I can't find any examples that are both state routes where one is a logical extension of the other.)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: odditude on March 15, 2019, 03:05:46 PM

Question:  Do you think there should be an END sign at a state line that bisects an MSR?

Random example:  KS-52 continues into Missouri as MO-52.  Should there be a sign saying END KS-52, or would that simply confuse drivers more than it would help them?

There should not be an end sign. The route doesn't end; it just continues into a different state.

Is your answer the same or different if the number changes at the state line?
i'd say the best option is END X followed by BEGIN Y if the numbers differ.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Flint1979 on March 15, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
One example in Michigan I can think of that continues as the same route number into the next state is M-49 and OH-49, a few miles east of the tri-point between Indiana, Ohio and Michigan. Michigan has a M-49 sign right away, Ohio's first OH-49 sign is about a half mile south of the state line and neither of them have an end sign.

M-99/OH-15 is the next one over and there is no end sign for either highway there either. Michigan simply has an M-99 sign and Ohio has a OH-15 sign again about a half mile from the state line.

At M-52 and OH-109 Ohio does a better job than Michigan at this one since Michigan doesn't have the Welcome to Michigan sign right at the state line and Ohio does. M-52's first sign is right next to the Welcome to Michigan sign. You can see the Michigan sign from the state line but it should be closer to the state line. The Michigan sign is a little north of the state line on US-24 too.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: kphoger on March 15, 2019, 03:48:47 PM
M-99/OH-15 is the next one over and there is no end sign for either highway there either. Michigan simply has an M-99 sign and Ohio has a OH-15 sign again about a half mile from the state line.

I think this is my preference.  Just sign the new highway's number, no need to say the old one is ending.  The exception is if the road continues not as a state highway.  Then I think it's entirely appropriate to sign the state highway's endpoint.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: sparker on March 15, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
Personally, my choice would be a sign assembly with the new state's route shield -- regardless of whether the number continues or not -- appended to the "entering (state X)" sign, with a forward (up-arrow) indicator below the sign.  Gets the entire job done with one sign assembly!     
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: txstateends on March 15, 2019, 08:54:45 PM
I don't think there are any examples in TX, not that they are flush with posted END signs to begin with. (/pun)
For example, I looked where TX 207 ends at the OK panhandle border.  You get a South TX 207 assembly and a county line sign, followed by the old Texas stone state-shape monument sign, then the "Welcome to Texas" BGS.  Nothing else.  Nothing on the OK side, since the part of the road there is a county road.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Flint1979 on March 15, 2019, 10:43:09 PM
M-99/OH-15 is the next one over and there is no end sign for either highway there either. Michigan simply has an M-99 sign and Ohio has a OH-15 sign again about a half mile from the state line.

I think this is my preference.  Just sign the new highway's number, no need to say the old one is ending.  The exception is if the road continues not as a state highway.  Then I think it's entirely appropriate to sign the state highway's endpoint.
We use to have a three state continuation with Indiana and Ohio. IN-120, M-120 and OH-120, both Indiana and Ohio still have theirs in the same place but Michigan went and put M-120 on another highway in a different part of the state. In between Indiana and Ohio it's a county road in Michigan.

This obviously isn't anywhere near a state line but in my city (Saginaw) M-84 ends at M-58 and M-58 is a one way street and in both directions before the junction they have a BEGIN sign above the M-84 sign and an arrow pointing to the north. I don't think I ever noticed that anywhere else.

I guess I can see why they would have an END sign at the state line though if that's where that route ends at. I would put it on the next state to sign it properly past that point.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Flint1979 on March 16, 2019, 03:48:11 PM
This is the sign I'm talking about which I think is a rare occurrence in Michigan.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190316/38ab00d400e2f3856a228a212dd88722.jpg)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Ian on March 16, 2019, 04:17:38 PM
The Maine Turnpike has a set of END (https://goo.gl/maps/m64CLsVoTzk) and BEGIN (https://goo.gl/maps/pi46FCndh9q) signs at the north end of the Piscataqua River Bridge along I-95 in Kittery. You'll also find a similar set of assemblies at the north end of the Turnpike in Augusta.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: OracleUsr on March 16, 2019, 11:10:25 PM
GA 35 ends at the Florida line on its concurrency with US 319 between Thomasville and Tallahassee, and there at least used to be an END 35 sign at the border.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: formulanone on March 19, 2019, 05:15:42 PM
This one of those "I swear I've seen it dozens of times, but can't find many examples moments"  (IS2IDOT BCFME) so here's the only one I can find right now...

...Iowa 163 on US 34 entering Illinois:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/28090874767_ca084a1bf1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JNi5p2)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Kulerage on March 19, 2019, 08:19:54 PM
Well I didn't find an End/Begin sign, but instead one that simply says the highway's cardinal direction at the state line, so it kinda counts? The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.771103,-83.1113741,3a,25.9y,0.58h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSSYP8I6RF7YfmRHB9inKdg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: roadman65 on March 19, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
GA has one for GA 520 at the AL State Line along US 280 and two for both GA 3 and 300 on US 19 at the FL State Line.  I had photos submitted to Geoff Hatchard when he had his site for GA ends when him and JT Legg had one also.  He featured all of mine that I gave him and some Trent took as well.

Have to check my boxes as I just moved and still have not gone through my pics of old before digital.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: kphoger on March 20, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).

Well, it would be tough to find older GSV still in use, considering it was launched 12 years ago.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: ilpt4u on March 20, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131 (https://goo.gl/maps/2QpxqBQV6FH2)
*NB IL 137 (https://goo.gl/maps/PKEsNtzoqHq)
*NB IL 47 (https://goo.gl/maps/oxyB9VRQdpD2)
*NB IL 76 (https://goo.gl/maps/Dt4447k5csS2)
*IL 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/EQaTn4dfkoD2)
*IL 26 (https://goo.gl/maps/jLfXSbLX1NL2)
*IL 84 (https://goo.gl/maps/dcNrLaud7P62)

Missouri Border
IL 150 (https://goo.gl/maps/meKBXDHC6PF2)

Kentucky Border
IL 13 (https://goo.gl/maps/xvFxBLcYVK72)

Indiana Border
IL 141 (https://goo.gl/maps/v24rJ2Khbd32)
IL 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/X5YmnaRE6aq)
IL 9 (https://goo.gl/maps/o1ECacZ8Qo52)
You can add IL 1 for the Kentucky Border list, right before one boards the Cave-in-Rock Ferry across the Ohio

IL 146 does NOT have one at the Mississippi River crossing to Cape Girardeau, MO
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: kphoger on March 21, 2019, 12:22:23 PM
At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131 (https://goo.gl/maps/2QpxqBQV6FH2)
*NB IL 137 (https://goo.gl/maps/PKEsNtzoqHq)
*NB IL 47 (https://goo.gl/maps/oxyB9VRQdpD2)
*NB IL 76 (https://goo.gl/maps/Dt4447k5csS2)
*IL 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/EQaTn4dfkoD2)
*IL 26 (https://goo.gl/maps/jLfXSbLX1NL2)
*IL 84 (https://goo.gl/maps/dcNrLaud7P62)

Missouri Border
IL 150 (https://goo.gl/maps/meKBXDHC6PF2)

Kentucky Border
IL 13 (https://goo.gl/maps/xvFxBLcYVK72)

Indiana Border
IL 141 (https://goo.gl/maps/v24rJ2Khbd32)
IL 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/X5YmnaRE6aq)
IL 9 (https://goo.gl/maps/o1ECacZ8Qo52)

Iowa Border
IL 9 (https://goo.gl/maps/7PZKP9UWAVk)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Kulerage on March 21, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).

Well, it would be tough to find older GSV still in use, considering it was launched 12 years ago.
Usually the oldest I've seen that's the only one available is from 2009, so I thought it was cool.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: apeman33 on March 30, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
The only instance I've ever seen is that there is an "END 2" assembly where MO-2 becomes K-68 east of Louisburg. I didn't remember a corresponding sign for K-68 at the time I drove past there but Google maps show there is a "68 END" assembly on the Kansas side.

I've also been at the north end of K-7 as it becomes a Nebraska county road but don't remember seeing an "END 7" assembly.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: bzakharin on April 01, 2019, 03:17:49 PM
The closest I can think of in NJ (other than the county one I posted earlier) is this thank you sign on the Garden State Parkway approaching the NY State Line:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0649871,-74.0580433,3a,37.5y,352.59h,89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smEoar9B_Fbe8GywLvL4H0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
There is a matching one at the other end of the Parkway (as well as an actual END sign), but it's not at a state line.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: StogieGuy7 on April 01, 2019, 03:30:25 PM
Eastbound I-94/southbound I-41 at the Illinois state line....
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4957871,-87.9503511,3a,37.5y,202.46h,92.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI0D1LyuDFioD97yvzPbvpg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4957871,-87.9503511,3a,37.5y,202.46h,92.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI0D1LyuDFioD97yvzPbvpg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: cl94 on April 01, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
New York is...inconsistent. NYSDOT Region 9 generally places them, as seen here on NY 7 at the PA line (https://goo.gl/maps/Rj5EeHAMTTz). But at the other end of NY 7 at the VT line, no sign is present. Outside of R9, placement is very inconsistent
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: ErmineNotyours on April 01, 2019, 10:17:25 PM
Fuzzy I-95 end at Canadian border. (https://goo.gl/maps/aAjpruYxcow)
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Mrt90 on April 02, 2019, 03:06:43 PM
At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131 (https://goo.gl/maps/2QpxqBQV6FH2)
*NB IL 137 (https://goo.gl/maps/PKEsNtzoqHq)
*NB IL 47 (https://goo.gl/maps/oxyB9VRQdpD2)
*NB IL 76 (https://goo.gl/maps/Dt4447k5csS2)
*IL 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/EQaTn4dfkoD2)
*IL 26 (https://goo.gl/maps/jLfXSbLX1NL2)
*IL 84 (https://goo.gl/maps/dcNrLaud7P62)

Missouri Border
IL 150 (https://goo.gl/maps/meKBXDHC6PF2)

Kentucky Border
IL 13 (https://goo.gl/maps/xvFxBLcYVK72)

Indiana Border
IL 141 (https://goo.gl/maps/v24rJ2Khbd32)
IL 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/X5YmnaRE6aq)
IL 9 (https://goo.gl/maps/o1ECacZ8Qo52)

I live within 5 miles of IL 131/WI 31 and IL 173/WI 32.  At least in Kenosha County, it looks like there are no "end" signs on any state highways on the Wisconsin side (31, 32, or 83).  And when you are on WI 32 going south into Illinois, not only is there no end WI 32 sign on the Wisconsin side but I don't think there is a sign that tells you that you are on IL 137 until you get to the intersection with IL 173 which is almost 2.5 miles away.

Also, Highway 83 keeps the same number in Illinois and Wisconsin and there is an "end IL 83" sign but you probably have to drive for at least a mile to see a WI 83 sign.  And there is no "end WI 83" sign but there is an IL 83 sign right at the state line below the Illinois State Line/Lake County sign.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 04, 2019, 09:26:33 PM
Maryland SHA is already very inconsistent with END signs on state highways, and is even more inconsistent when those highways end at state lines. I havenít seen any yet and Iím not sure where any might exist.
Title: Re: End signs at state lines
Post by: Ian on April 08, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Fuzzy I-95 end at Canadian border. (https://goo.gl/maps/aAjpruYxcow)

Southbound even has a BEGIN counterpart...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/480/19877722144_fbcd5b9df4_z.jpg)