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Title: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 27, 2010, 06:15:29 PM
Looks like there may be some early-stage viewing opportunities if anyone is passing through the area during holiday travels: http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=49020

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I-69 is beginning to take shape through Obion County and is attracting considerable attention among area residents.
Overpasses for the interstate are rising around Union City and construction crews have cut off traffic to certain areas as they work on building up the interstate route around Union City.
Most noticeably, overpasses are beginning to take shape on Brevard Road, just west of the Union City Goodyear plant, and a second intersection on West Main Street.
Erwin White, I-69 project manager for northwest Tennessee, told The Messenger Monday that preliminary work is on schedule through this area for the interstate. In a telephone interview from his Jackson office, White said site preparation work is being done for the interstate project’s route through Obion County. He explained that Stage I construction work includes designing the structures (interchanges) and earthwork on the interstate.
It is that stage of the project that is beginning to change the landscape around Union City with dump trucks and heavy construction equipment carving out overpasses ...
For the Union City area, there are actually five interchanges planned along the I-69 route. The first interchange will be at Mayberry Road northeast of Union City and just south of a proposed weigh station and rest area.
Other proposed interchanges around Union City include one on State Route 21 (Jordan Highway) just north of Union City, the interchange on Brevard Road, an interchange on State Route 5 (West Main Street), an interchange on State Route 184 (East Old Troy Road just east of Belle Aire Subdivision), and a final interchange on West Reelfoot Avenue.
The West Reelfoot Avenue interchange will reconnect new construction of I-69 into the existing Highway 51 South to Troy. There are three interchanges planned for the Troy area, with the interstate veering due southeast of Highway 51 until it reconnects with Highway 51 just south of Troy. The proposed interchanges in Troy are located at State Route 21 just east of the city, an interchange at Troy-Polk Station Road and a final interchange south of town reconnecting with Highway 51 ...
Generally speaking, White said it costs about $6 million to $10 million per mile to build an interstate and interchanges cost an estimated $3 million to $5 million apiece to build.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 26, 2011, 10:02:56 AM
I deleted "Obion County Construction Progress" from thread title because new three-year TIP does not include any new non-I-269 projects.  Here is an article from Dyersburg newspaper emphasizing the money crunch regarding I-69:

http://www.stategazette.com/story/1731050.html

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The biggest obstacle to completing the superhighway known as I-69 is money. That was the consensus among speakers at a Mid-Continent Highway Coalition (I-69) meeting last week at the Dyersburg/Dyer County Chamber of Commerce ... John Ford of Ford Construction and vice president of transportation for the Dyersburg/Dyer County Chamber of Commerce said the state is hurting when it comes to receiving federal funding for projects and especially for I-69 ... His company is working on a 4-mile section of I-69 in Obion County at the cost of $32 million. Ford said Ford Construction is just one of 25 projects in the country involved in completing I-69 and one of only five in the state ... He stated the state of Tennessee did not include any I-69 jobs in the northern part of the state in their three-year road plan ... "The only I-69 funding in the three-year road plan going forward is the paving of two sections they have already built in Shelby County, and then I think it's about 2.3 miles at the very bottom section," said Ford ... Ford added the work was continuing on right-of-ways and engineering in the state ... "A lot of that has already been funded," said Ford ... According to Ford, the Tennessee Department of Transportation lets contracts for around $700 million-$800 million, which is about 2 percent of federal transportation funding. Ford said there is a proposal to cut the state's funding by 35 percent, which would be a cut of $281 million ... "I'm just saying, from our perspective there needs to be a lot of conversation with the governor and the commissioner of transportation," said Ford ... He noted the need for money to be specifically designated for I-69 ... Congressman Stephen Fincher was at the meeting and said the country is at a financial crossroads and infrastructure needs more attention paid to it ... "We take our infrastructure for granted," said Fincher. "And until the American public one day goes out in their car and knocks the front end from under the car, because there are potholes in the road as big as this room, I'm afraid we are not going to deal with it." ... "I just cannot propose a gas tax in this environment," said Fincher ... Fincher stated he and his colleagues were fighting to get a highway bill out ... Mid-Continent Highway Coalition Vice President Bill Revell gave an overall report on the construction of I-69 ... The whole construction of I-69 is divided into 32 sections of independent utilities ... "The reason they did that is because if they can't complete the whole highway someday, whatever they do complete the money won't be thrown away," said Revell, giving a comparison of Great River Road off of I-155 ... He added I-69 is very important due to the trade partners to the north and south, meaning Canada and Mexico. "It's critical we get this highway built," said Revell.

It will be interesting to see what alternatives will be presented for Tennessee in the upcoming multi-state Innovative Financing Study for I-69.  I hope AHTD will soon finalize contract with the consultant.  Here is link to Financing Study thread:

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2920.0
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on May 26, 2011, 04:35:42 PM
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"The reason they did that is because if they can't complete the whole highway someday, whatever they do complete the money won't be thrown away," said Revell, giving a comparison of Great River Road off of I-155 ...
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What exactly is the "Great River Road" off I-155 and why was it a waste?

rte66man
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: NE2 on May 26, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Probably SR 181, which seems to have been built to higher standards up to the abrupt end at SR 88.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 28, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
Although short on specifics, this August 10 article suggests that I-69 construction around Union City is ahead of schedule:
http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=59315

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State Commissioner of Transportation John Schroer got a first-hand look Tuesday at progress being made on I-69 in Obion County. Schroer and about 30 other state and local officials stopped on top of the Brevard Road overpass as part of the TDOT Projects Tour 2011 ... Schroer told the group that work on the Obion County segment of I-69 represents the first “pure” segment of the new interstate under construction in Tennessee. Work on the I-69 route through Obion County is ahead of schedule, according to Erwin White with the TDOT office in Jackson. On Tuesday, Schroer stressed the importance of the interstate project for Tennessee as well as the entire country ... Work on the I-69 route through Obion County is being done in “segments.” Construction is ahead of schedule in Obion County as the interstate route is beginning to take shape around Union City. In fact, during Tuesday’s briefing on Brevard Road, several concrete mixer trucks rumbled by and drowned out some the comments made about I-69. “It is a priority of mine to see firsthand the investments we are making in transportation projects across the state,” Schroer said. “These ‘viewing tours’ will also give us the opportunity to share valuable information about these projects with our elected officials and engage the public along the way.

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on October 05, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
This article indicates that the grading projects around Union City should be completed in early summer 2012 and that some projects on I-69/I-240 in Memphis should be let later this year:
http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=61719

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Construction on Interstate-69 is now under way in the Union City/Obion County area and is expected to be completed next year, according to Bill Revell, Tennessee chairman (and vice-president) of the Interstate-69 Coalition.
“Construction is expected to be completed on the four-mile SIU [Section of Independent Utility] by early summer 2012, with the exception of paving,” says Revell. “The pavement will not be applied to the SIU once it’s completed because other sections need to be built first.”
Shelby County is also currently making construction strides on its future I-69 Corridors.
In Shelby County, I-269, a western, semi-circular subsection of I-69, encompasses former U.S. Highway 385. The future I-269 subsection on the corridor is almost completed between Millington and Collierville. According to Revell, it is expected to be fully constructed by 2013.
The I-69 corridor will run west of U.S. Highway 51 and will be broken into three sections. It will then join Interstate-240, also a Future I-69 Corridor, and will run directly through Memphis, merging into Interstate-55 at Hernando, Mississippi. The route then runs east to Tunica, Mississippi. This particular section of I-69, running from Hernando to Tunica, is complete.
I-240 is currently in the process of acquiring right of way. I-69 construction lettings on I-240 are to begin later this year ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on October 05, 2011, 04:22:23 PM
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In Shelby County, I-269, a western, semi-circular subsection of I-69, encompasses former U.S. Highway 385.

That describes a whole lot of fail right there.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on October 05, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
That's by far not the only fail in the article.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: BamaZeus on October 06, 2011, 11:19:06 AM
I like where I-69 runs east to Tunica from Hernando :)
Title: I-69 in TN SIU 8 (Millington to Dyersburg) Update
Post by: Grzrd on October 13, 2011, 10:23:36 PM
I recently received an email update from Steve Chipman, Project Manager responsible for SIU 8, regarding progress on the SIU 8 FEIS.  Remarkably, an approximate 500 foot change in the alignment is anticipated to result in an approximate nine month delay in the issuance of a ROD for SIU 8. The current website estimate of 4th quarter 2011 issuance of FEIS can be found here:

http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/segment8/status.htm:

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From Millington to Dyersburg, Tennessee in Shelby, Tipton, Lauderdale, and Dyer Counties.
CURRENT PROJECT EVENTS:

2011:
2nd Qtr: The Environmental Consultant submits the Final EIS to TDOT for review and approval.
3rd Qtr:  TDOT submits the Final EIS to Federal Highway Administration for review and approval.
4th Qtr: Receive approval on the Final EIS from the Federal Highway Administration.

Pertinent portion of Mr. Chipman's response (I assume his references to "FEDS" were intended to be "FEIS"):

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The completion date for the final EIS is in the process of being adjusted to reflect the completion of additional technical studies along the north end of the corridor near Dyersburg.  In the second quarter of 2010, a property owner claimed in a letter to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that the corridor for I-69, SIU 8, would cross a landfill located in the north end near Dyersburg.  The information was passed on to us to investigate.  In the third quarter of 2010 we partnered with the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation on completing an Environmental Site Assessment of the area in questioned.  The information given to us indicated the potential landfill site would have been in operation in the early 1970's.  This was before any permit or reporting was required so the likely hood of finding any records on the landfill was slim to none.
 
The study was completed in the first quarter of 2011 and revealed the area was used for a landfill and the soil is not suitable for the construction of a highway .  Our next step was to look at moving the alignment far enough within the study area to avoid crossing the landfill area.  In the second quarter of 2011 it was determined that a shift in the alignment approximately 500 ft. east would avoid the landfill. Now we are in the process of completing technical studies for the line shift and incorporating the results into the FEDS.
 
At this time we anticipate the FEDS will be completed as follows;
 
       First quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be completed and submitted to TDOT for approval.
      Second quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be submitted to FHWA for approval.
      Third quarter of 2012, the record of decision signed.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on November 28, 2011, 07:58:57 AM
I drove in NW Tennessee yesterday to get some counties and to look along US 51 at what it would take to upgrade to I-69. Some observations:

- I-155 currently ends at US 412 east in Dyersburg. However, the freeway continues along US 51 north through the remainder of Dyer County into Obion County, complete with a speed limit of 70. This makes me wonder if I-155 was indeed supposed to be part of something bigger, like a routing of I-24 which was discussed in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2895.0).
- At Troy, TN, the freeway quickly ends and the speed limit drops accordingly as you transition onto a four-lane divided arterial.
- Between Troy, TN and Union City, TN US 51 remains a four-lane divided highway with at-grade intersections. A typical TN four-lane setup here.
- At Union City there is a bypass for US 51, but the bypass has a speed limit of 55 mph with at-grade intersections. I don't know where the construction for I-69 was in this area; I suspect it was a few miles to the north of the bypass from what I could tell. I didn't have time to investigate to see where the construction was.
- NE of Union City, US 51 resumes as a 70 mph freeway at it's interchange with TN 22 east. This setup ends just short of US 45E where what I suspect is Old US 51 (TN 214, Ken-Tenn Hwy) rejoins the alignment. It split off at Union City at the interchange with TN 22 east.

So between Dyersburg and Fulton, it doesn't seem like it would take much to upgrade to interstate standards. A bypass of Troy and Union City would all but do it. What I am curious about is how the TN section of I-69 will tie into the Purchase Pkwy with the complication of having the existing interchange with US 45E.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: NE2 on November 28, 2011, 08:41:41 AM
- I-155 currently ends at US 412 east in Dyersburg. However, the freeway continues along US 51 north through the remainder of Dyer County into Obion County, complete with a speed limit of 70. This makes me wonder if I-155 was indeed supposed to be part of something bigger, like a routing of I-24 which was discussed in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2895.0).
"The only difference between the governors' proposal and the approved corridor is that the corridor eliminates 41 miles of interstate highway to link Dyersburg and Jackson, Tenn., a segment of the governors' Jackson-to-Hayti compromise highway." http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3-wrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bmcFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1856,3598762&dq=interstate+24+dyersburg&hl=en

This is back in 1964, but Kurumi says I-155 construction didn't begin until the early 1970s.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on November 28, 2011, 08:57:39 AM
^ It appeared that the overpasses along US 51 northeast of US 412 were built around the same time as those along I-155.

I also drove US 412 between Jackson and Dyersburg, and it somewhere between a arterial and a freeway. Speed limit is 65 with many interchanges, but these interchanges are tight interchanges with secondary state routes, like this interchange: http://g.co/maps/qgyvr

US 412 is a full freeway around the east side of Dyersburg from TN 104 north to I-155.

It is also interesting to me that there are To I-40 signs along US 51 and I-155 going in either direction around the US 412 east interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on December 01, 2011, 11:03:28 AM
Here's a link to an interesting photo from last month's Kentucky I-69 signage ceremony:  Tennessee and I-69 Coalition officials posing with a "Tennessee" I-69 shield:
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1790054/photo/1584026.html

(http://i.imgur.com/HxhP4.jpg)

I wonder how long it will be before one actually appears in the field?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on December 01, 2011, 11:14:51 AM
^ I would be very surprised to see that in the field. Still, we can hope.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 01, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
very nice.

if Tennessee DOT doesn't make one appear in the field, someone else will.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on December 01, 2011, 03:30:22 PM
Here's a link to an interesting photo from last month's Kentucky I-69 signage ceremony:  Tennessee and I-69 Coalition officials posing with a "Tennessee" I-69 shield:
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1790054/photo/1584026.html

I wonder how long it will be before one actually appears in the field?

That Schorer guy looks a lot like Kentucky's governor. My first thought upon seeing that picture was, "WTF is that idiot doing holding a state-named shield from Tennessee when we don't even have them in Kentucky?"
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 01, 2011, 04:57:20 PM
Cody,

The Future I-69 construction in Union City runs North and west of the current bypass...it is also just north of the giant Goodyear Plant you may have seen.

I went through there with Billy a year ago, when construction was just beginning.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/12/western-tennesseekentucky-roadtrip.html
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 02, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
I keep looking for ariel imagery progress.  from around Union City, but have had no luck thus far
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mgk920 on December 02, 2011, 11:20:14 PM
I keep looking for ariel imagery progress.  from around Union City, but have had no luck thus far

Mapquest shows the cleared ROW and some early stages of construction:

http://mapq.st/uhQhQ5

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Future I-69 in Memphis
Post by: Grzrd on December 25, 2011, 05:24:46 PM
As part of its analysis, the June 2011 Southern Gateway Purpose and Need and Study Area Package (http://www.southerngatewayproject.com/library/CP-1%20Package%20with%20Agency%20Lts%20and%20Responses.pdf) has information regarding anticipated freeway construction in Memphis through 2030.

In regard to I-69, three new terrain projects are mentioned:

Project #2: Construct 4.8 miles of new freeway from south of TN 385 to the Tipton/Shelby county line (2020);

Project #12: Construct new freeway from TN 300 to the Shelby/Tipton county line (2020); and

Project #14: Construct new freeway for I-269 from I-69 to US 51 (2030).

I was a little surprised that construction of the final segment of I-269 is scheduled so far in the future; however, I guess it does make sense to have construction of the I-69/I-269 interchange be the final piece of the I-69 Corridor puzzle in the Memphis area.

The above information can be found at Figure 8: Planned and Programmed Freeway Capacity Projects (page 26 of document; page 30/112 of pdf), and Table 6: Active Projects Along Major Facilities in the Study Area (page 42 of document; page 46/112 of pdf).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 05, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
I keep looking for ariel imagery progress.  from around Union City, but have had no luck thus far
Mapquest shows the cleared ROW and some early stages of construction:
http://mapq.st/uhQhQ5
 :nod:
Mike
Looks like Bing has updated their aerial view:
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.455897975537205~-89.06645965576173&lvl=14&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Union%20City%2C%20TN&form=LMLTCC

EDIT

Even though there are currently no future funds allocated for non-I-269 I-69 Corridor projects in Tennessee,the Tennessee Department of Economic And Community Development is at least paying lip service to the importance of I-69 to NW Tennessee and that TDOT will work to complete it (page 8/13 of pdf):
http://www.tn.gov/ecd/pdf/Regiional_Strategic_Plans/Northwest.pdf

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...ECD staff and regional partners will develop long-term strategies for leveraging the completion of
several large projects including the Port of Cates Landing, I-69, the Haywood County megasite and the certification of foreign trade zones in the region ... TDOT will work to streamline the Industrial Access Program and to complete I-69, as well as to plan and complete Highway 641 to Kentucky ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 10, 2012, 02:52:54 AM
Looks like Bing has updated their aerial view:
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.455897975537205~-89.06645965576173&lvl=14&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Union%20City%2C%20TN&form=LMLTCC

And because you can trace Bing for OSM, here's the new alignment in OSM. ;)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.4449&lon=-89.057&zoom=14&layers=M
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2012, 04:31:05 PM
As part of its analysis, the June 2011 Southern Gateway Purpose and Need and Study Area Package (http://www.southerngatewayproject.com/library/CP-1%20Package%20with%20Agency%20Lts%20and%20Responses.pdf) has information regarding anticipated freeway construction in Memphis through 2030.
In regard to I-69, three new terrain projects are mentioned:
Project #2: Construct 4.8 miles of new freeway from south of TN 385 to the Tipton/Shelby county line (2020);
Project #12: Construct new freeway from TN 300 to the Shelby/Tipton county line (2020); and
Project #14: Construct new freeway for I-269 from I-69 to US 51 (2030).
Memphis MPO has posted its Direction 2040 Long Term Transportation Plan on the Direction 2040 website.  It looks like the new thought is to have all of I-69 from TN 300 to the Tipton County line, and I-269 from the interchange to TN 385, completed by 2020:
http://direction2040.com/library/Draft_Chapter_08%20(Implementation%20Plan).pdf

A map of the proposed highway transportation projects is on page 8-37 of the document and page 39/53 of the pdf, and the page describing the I-69 projects is on page 8-13 of the document and page 15/53 of the pdf.

New terrain I-69 from TN 300 to TN 385 is 12.83 miles in length and is projected to cost $99,031,574.
New terrain I-69 from east (should that be west?) of US 51 near Millington to the Tipton County line is 4.80 miles in length and projected to cost $37,058,429.
The new terrain I-269 section is included on the map as a 2020 project and I assume it is included in TN 300 to TN 385 I-69 project (which seems to be the case in this TDOT map: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/segment9/maps/segment_map.pdf).

Now whether their financial assumptions are accurate enough to allow this to happen is another story altogether ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 18, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
I recently received an email update from Steve Chipman, Project Manager responsible for SIU 8, regarding progress on the SIU 8 FEIS.
 At this time we anticipate the FEDS will be completed as follows;
      First quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be completed and submitted to TDOT for approval.
      Second quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be submitted to FHWA for approval.
      Third quarter of 2012, the record of decision signed.
New terrain I-69 from TN 300 to TN 385 is 12.83 miles in length and is projected to cost $99,031,574.
New terrain I-69 from east (should that be west?) of US 51 near Millington to the Tipton County line is 4.80 miles in length and projected to cost $37,058,429.
The new terrain I-269 section is included on the map as a 2020 project and I assume it is included in TN 300 to TN 385 I-69 project

My assumption was wrong.  I emailed a Comment to the Memphis MPO last night about it and received the following reply:

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The LRTP project that includes the I-69/I-269 interchange and the portion of the new highway from US-51 to the interchange is project ID 158: “I-69, East of US-51 near Millington to the Tipton County line.” It appears that the ID label isn’t showing on the map on page 8-37 in the draft LRTP. This portion of the I-69/I-269 project will connect with the existing SR-385 at US-51 and extend northwest/north to the Tipton County line, with a system interchange (no access to surface streets) where project ID 157: “I-69, SR-300 to SR-385,” ties in.

That will be an interesting project because it will be a combination SIU 8/SIU 9 project.  In addition to the money question, the SIU 8 FEIS and ROD need to be finalized in a timely manner for it to happen.  Time will tell ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 30, 2012, 02:56:24 PM
What I am curious about is how the TN section of I-69 will tie into the Purchase Pkwy with the complication of having the existing interchange with US 45E.
This article (http://murrayledger.com/news/construction-of-i--could-be-included-in-state-road/article_6c6bc26e-4b4b-11e1-9cc4-0019bb2963f4.html) indicates that KYTC and TDOT officials will meet soon to discuss the KY/TN state line (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fulton,+KY&hl=en&ll=36.499701,-88.898964&spn=0.066236,0.153637&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.435463,78.662109&oq=fulton+ky&hnear=Fulton,+Kentucky&t=h&z=13) connection:

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KYTC Second District Engineer Kevin McClearn of the Department of Highways District One and Two offices in Paducah ...  said the highway [I-69] will improve transportation, promote economic development and reduce congestion of highways ...  Some difficulty is expected at the Tennessee line where officials hope to connect with a major interchange near Fulton.
Burgeoning housing development in the area could cause complications ....
McClearn said both KTC and Tennessee Department of Transportation officials will likely meet soon to discuss details of how the roadway will connect with ongoing projects in the Volunteer State.
During the meeting, Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer and TDOT project engineers Erwin White and Steve Chipman, said three segments of the highway are “moving forward.” .... Construction in the Union City area is nearing completion, according to White.

It sounds like they need to preserve the corridor sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 19, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
In this article (which includes a photo of construction) (http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=67101), Project Manager Erwin White estimates that it will cost another $230 million to $300 million to complete I-69 in Obion County and that it might take ten to twenty years to do so:

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.... There are actually five new sections of I-69 in Obion County, as work on the interstate through Obion County is being done in phases. The interstate will enter Obion County off the Purchase Parkway and will extend along the existing Highway 51 for part of its route through the county. The interstate will split off from Highway 51 north of Union City and will extend around the west side of the city, across West Main Street, and then will cross West Reelfoot Avenue south of Union City and will parallel Highway 51 on the east until it reconnects with the highway south of Troy.
A majority of the work on the local leg of the interstate has been done on Section 4, which extends from just north of the Titan Tire plant southerly to south of West Main Street.
“Section 4 on the west and north of Union City is under phase 1 construction and is approximately 90 percent complete,” TDOT project manager Erwin White told The Messenger Tuesday.
So far, more than $30 million has been spent on construction of the interstate project in Obion County. It is estimated the cost to complete the interstate leg through Obion County will take at least another $230 to $300 million, according to  White.
He estimated it could take up to 10 years and possibly as long as 20 years to complete I-69 through Obion County.
“There is no new (federal) construction funding available right now,” Erwin told The Messenger Tuesday.
He said the state has completed the acquisition of all the right of ways necessary for the interstate through Obion County, except for the ROW acquisition in Section 3 southwest of Union City. He said the state is about 80 percent complete in acquiring the right of ways in that section ....

I wonder if TDOT will actively explore alternative financing options for the Obion County work?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 21, 2012, 08:19:17 AM
Memphis MPO has posted its Direction 2040 Long Term Transportation Plan on the Direction 2040 website.  It looks like the new thought is to have all of I-69 from TN 300 to the Tipton County line, and I-269 from the interchange to TN 385, completed by 2020:
http://direction2040.com/library/Draft_Chapter_08%20(Implementation%20Plan).pdf

Memphis Urban Area Metropolitan Planning Organization administrator Pragati Srivastava stated yesterday that the expectation is still to have I-69 completed through metro Memphis by 2020 (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/mar/21/mpo-administrator-recaps-plans-to-ccim/):

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“The TIP is literally where the rubber meets the road,” Srivastava said, “because in our TIP, all of the projects that we have identified in our long-range plan get the funding associated with those projects in the Transportation Improvement Program.”
The 2011-2014 TIP includes $883 million in total funding, with Tennessee and Mississippi state-sponsored projects reaching $329 million each. Tennessee locally sponsored projects are $204 million, while Mississippi locally sponsored projects are $21 million.
Major projects of the 2011-2014 TIP are completion of Interstate 269 through Tennessee and Mississippi, which Srivastava said “will be completed pretty soon,” as well as interstate widening projects, highway interchange improvements, and the preliminary phases of Interstate 69 – which is anticipated to be completed by 2020.

EDIT

I recently received an email update from Steve Chipman, Project Manager responsible for SIU 8, regarding progress on the SIU 8 FEIS ... I assume his references to "FEDS" were intended to be "FEIS" ... 
At this time we anticipate the FEDS will be completed as follows:
First quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be completed and submitted to TDOT for approval.
Second quarter of 2012, the FEDS will be submitted to FHWA for approval.
Third quarter of 2012, the record of decision signed.

I recently noticed this compact map of SIU 8 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/segment8/maps/i-69s03.pdf), which shows the connection to the northern terminus of I-269, as well as projected interchanges along the SIU 8 route.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 28, 2012, 12:22:31 PM
I recently received an email update from Steve Chipman, Project Manager responsible for SIU 8, regarding progress on the SIU 8 FEIS .... Third quarter of 2012, the record of decision signed.
I recently noticed this compact map of SIU 8 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/segment8/maps/i-69s03.pdf), which shows the connection to the northern terminus of I-269, as well as projected interchanges along the SIU 8 route.
FHWA is requiring that both SIU 14 and 15 are programmed with funding for the Engineer/Design Phase (phase that typically proceeds the completion of the Environmental Study/Assessment). As it stands now, LADOTD will modify the State TIP (i.e. STIP) in accordance with our requested TIP amendments for both SIU 14 and 15. Once that housekeeping issue is completed, we anticipate a ROD being signed for SIU-14 in late April.
(bottom quote from I-69 in LA ... (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4510.25) thread)

LaDOTD's experience with FHWA regarding the necessity for having funding programmed into a STIP before RODs could be issued for SIU 14 and SIU 15 caused me to wonder whether TDOT had the necessary funding programmed for SIU 8 in order to receive a ROD.  The short answer is that the Engineer/ Design funding is in place, and that the current best guess for the issuance of a SIU 8 ROD is that it should occur within a year.  TDOT's response to my email:

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We are anticipating having a FEIS by the end of the year and the ROD by year end or first quarter of 2013.  The answer to your second question is that we already have funding for Engineer/Design phase on SIU 7, 8, and 9.  We need money for acquisition and construction.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 22, 2012, 03:07:26 PM
This article (http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=70661) indicates that Phase 1 construction of Section 4 of SIU 7 near Union City is "nearing completion", but there is no money to proceed with Phase 2 construction:

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Progress on the local section of Interstate 69 continues to be stalled by a lack of federal funding.
Work on one local section of the interstate is continuing, and is actually ahead of schedule, according to Michael Harrison of Ford Construction.
Ford Construction has the contract for Section 4 of I-69, which extends from just north of the Titan Tire plant around to just south of West Main Street .... Phase 1 construction of Section 4 is “nearing completion,” according to Erwin White with the state Department of Transportation.
“Phase 1 construction refers to grading, structures, roadway tie-ins that are necessary to maintain traffic around and across the project, erosion control, etc.,” he stated.
Phase 2 construction for that section has not been budgeted. That phase involves the completion of the interstate base, asphalt paving, installing guardrails, installing signs and striping the interstate.

The entire local leg of I-69 will enter Obion County from South Fulton (Highway 51 South) and will continue along Highway 51 South until it veers southwesterly at Mayberry Road. The I-69 route winds north and west of Union City until it crosses over West Reelfoot Avenue and then continues south around Troy before reconnecting with Highway 51 South and continuing on to Dyersburg.
“It’s still ahead of schedule and it’ll be finished on time,” Harrison told The Messenger earlier this week about Phase 1 work on Section 4 of the interstate.
In all, there are five I-69 sections in Obion County, according to Erwin White, project manager for the state Department of Transportation. From his office in Jackson, White continues to monitor the progress of I-69 through West Tennessee.
The right of way acquisitions for Sections 1, 2 and 5 are complete, but no construction funding is budgeted for those sections, according to White.
The anticipated cost to complete I-69 through Obion County is estimated at $230 million to $300 million, according to White.
He said right of way acquisition is about 85 percent complete for Section 3, but no construction funding has been budgeted. That new section of interstate begins where the current work ends just south of West Main Street, and the section continues across East Old Troy Road (east of Bel Air Circle) until it intersects at Walker-Tanner Road.
Ford Construction crews have been working on the overpass at West Main Street and the extension of Section 4 where it connects to Section 3, which is in a field south of West Main Street.
“It won’t be much longer,” Harrison said.
However, until federal funding is allocated for the project, the interstate will remain covered with what Harrison called “incidental asphalt.” The final layer of gravel and asphalt paving will have to wait until funding is approved and contracts are signed for the work.
“If they don’t let any more sections ... it’ll stay closed,”
Harrison said.
(bold emphasis added by me)

Looks like the money fairy is MIA in NW Tennessee, too.  :-(
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on May 22, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
However, until federal funding is allocated..."

Because they, like just about everyone else, would prefer to feed off the Federal teet until it's completely dried up instead of making their own milk.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mightyace on May 22, 2012, 05:03:13 PM
Not 100% of the time.

TN 840 has been funded 100% by the state so as to avoid stricter Federal environment regulations.

That's part of why it's TN 840 instead on I-840 like my avatar.

But, since TN is still paying for 840, they probably don't have much left to fund anything else without Federal aid.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sr641 on May 22, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
I-69 won't be done in Tennessee until about 2025.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 25, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
However, until federal funding is allocated..."
Because they, like just about everyone else, would prefer to feed off the Federal teet until it's completely dried up instead of making their own milk.

This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=70821), in addition to having a "tease" photo of a "Tennessee" I-69 shield,

(http://i.imgur.com/WpF1T.jpg)

provides a figure of $1.5 billion as the cost estimate to complete I-69 through Tennessee:

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The amount of money it will take to complete I-69 from Michigan to Mexico is staggering — $25 billion.
It is estimated $1.5 billion will be needed to complete the interstate route through West Tennessee.
For Obion County, $230 million to $300 million is needed to complete the route from Fulton to the southern border of the county (loosely following Highway 51 South around Union City, Troy and Obion).

I-69 Coalition vice president Ed Revell at least pays lip service to some ideas to partially wean Tennessee's I-69 funding off of the federal teat:

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The federal government has taken a conflicting position on I-69, on one hand designating the interstate as a “high priority corridor” and a “corridor of national significance” and, then on the other hand, withholding federal funding for the interstate.
That’s a problem for Bill Revell, the former mayor of Dyersburg and the longtime I-69 Coalition vice president. He was the main speaker at the annual meeting of the I-69 West Tennessee Coalition, held in Union City Wednesday .... Revell said the coalition needs to develop a “new strategy” to fund and complete I-69 and get the project back on track.
 Among the ideas presented by Revell were:
 • A public/private partnership as a method of raising funds
 • Establishing toll roads in Tennessee
 • Gas tax indexing
 • The use of SAFETEA-LU (Safe Accountable Flexible Efficient Transportation Equity Act — A Legacy for Users) funding for I-69.

At least Revell is beginning to talk the talk ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 25, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=70821)

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The route of the country’s only unfinished interstate extends from Michigan through Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and to the southern tip of Texas at the Mexico border.

Somebody needs to tell them that there are at least 5 other "unfinished" Interstates.... I-22, I-49, I-73, I-74, & I-95
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Alps on May 26, 2012, 09:25:41 AM
This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=70821)

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The route of the country’s only unfinished interstate extends from Michigan through Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and to the southern tip of Texas at the Mexico border.

Somebody needs to tell them that there are at least 5 other "unfinished" Interstates.... I-22, I-49, I-73, I-74, & I-95
I-95 is the country's only true unfinished Interstate. All of the other ones are new or extended Interstates. Also, your list: I-99
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: vdeane on May 26, 2012, 11:50:05 AM
And I-86.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mightyace on June 01, 2012, 05:12:06 AM
I-69 Coalition vice president Ed Revell at least pays lip service to some ideas to partially wean Tennessee's I-69 funding off of the federal teat:

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The federal government has taken a conflicting position on I-69, on one hand designating the interstate as a “high priority corridor” and a “corridor of national significance” and, then on the other hand, withholding federal funding for the interstate.
That’s a problem for Bill Revell, the former mayor of Dyersburg and the longtime I-69 Coalition vice president. He was the main speaker at the annual meeting of the I-69 West Tennessee Coalition, held in Union City Wednesday .... Revell said the coalition needs to develop a “new strategy” to fund and complete I-69 and get the project back on track.
 Among the ideas presented by Revell were:
 • A public/private partnership as a method of raising funds
 • Establishing toll roads in Tennessee
 • Gas tax indexing
 • The use of SAFETEA-LU (Safe Accountable Flexible Efficient Transportation Equity Act — A Legacy for Users) funding for I-69.

At least Revell is beginning to talk the talk ...

Tennessee did pass the Tennessee Tollway Act  (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tollway/default.shtml) in 2007.  However, nothing has come out of it other than feasibility studies.
Title: Indiana Bat to Alter Route of Tennessee's I-69?
Post by: Grzrd on June 30, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
I recently received an email update from Steve Chipman, Project Manager responsible for SIU 8, regarding progress on the SIU 8 FEIS.  Remarkably, an approximate 500 foot change in the alignment is anticipated to result in an approximate nine month delay in the issuance of a ROD for SIU 8
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the area was used for a landfill and the soil is not suitable for the construction of a highway ... it was determined that a shift in the alignment approximately 500 ft. east would avoid the landfill.
I recently noticed this compact map of SIU 8 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/segment8/maps/i-69s03.pdf), which shows the connection to the northern terminus of I-269, as well as projected interchanges along the SIU 8 route.
TDOT's response to my email:
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We are anticipating having a FEIS by the end of the year and the ROD by year end or first quarter of 2013.
More articles from the Evansville Courier Press. I ... am not grasping the bat issue. Will I-69 be built or could it become like US 31 near Benton Harbor, Michigan where there will be a permanent gap?
Indiana bat halts land clearing for I-69 until October (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/01/indiana-bat-halts-i-69-work-until-october/?partner=popular)
I'm under the impression that the bat issue isn't going to harm the overall timeline and that Section 4 will still be done in 2014. Parts of that section can still be worked upon this summer, just not the parts with those trees for the bats.
(bottom two of the above quotes from Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg141477#msg141477) thread)

This TV video report (http://www.wmctv.com/story/18918655/tdot-works) indicates that the Indiana bat is also an issue for Tennessee's I-69 SIU 8 that may cause another alteration in terms of feet in the routing of SIU 8:

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You may shake your head, but an endangered bat could force a new route for the proposed Interstate 69 through a portion of West Tennessee
TDOT crews are already hard at work looking for this endangered mammal that could have a big impact on that interstate.
It's called the Indiana Bat.
It's gray, black, or brown in color and weighs as much as three pennies.
This miniature mammal could determine where Interstate 69 travels from Millington to Dyersburg.
"We're searching for bats," said TDOT Community Relations Officer Nichole Lawrence.
TDOT officials say the endangered bat has already been spotted in East and Middle Tennessee.
They are already searching in rural areas near Covington, Ripley, and Dyersburg ....
Even though the route has been decided, the Indiana Bat could shift the interstate a few feet if a habitat is located.
"It's an endangered species and it's a bat so anytime federal dollars are used for a federal project, we have to make sure the bat or other species isn't in the area," Lawrence said ....
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 07, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
TDOT's August 3 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2012/Notices/notAug3.pdf) includes the 2.667 mile section of I-269 from the Mississippi state line to TN 385.
^ I am looking at the plans now, and it appears that this segment will be signed as I-269 when finished. :o
(above two quotes from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg159213#msg159213) thread)

In another thread discussing MAP-21 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7067.msg158704#msg158704), I propose the following:

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Since MAP-21 apparently contemplates allowing "TO" and "TEMPORARY" signage for I-69 ... I would like to see ... all I-69 overlaps in Memphis immediately add I-69 signage; and ... Have the section of US 51 parallel to the new terrain SIU 9 I-69 corridor immediately be signed as TEMPORARY I-69.

Even if TDOT does not immediately install I-69 signage in metro Memphis, I wonder if I-69 signs will be installed in some form or fashion when the above I-269 segment is opened for travel in 2015?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: roadman65 on July 07, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
The bigger question is will I-155 retain its number when its eastern terminus will be at I-69?  It could no longer use the first digit odd principle if it terminates at two interstates. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: vdeane on July 07, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
Why would they renumber it just to conform to a numbering convention that nobody uses anyways?  Roads that connect at both ends to an interstate but aren't a bypass are kinda in a gray area anyways.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on July 07, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
The bigger question is will I-155 retain its number when its eastern terminus will be at I-69?  It could no longer use the first digit odd principle if it terminates at two interstates. 
Why would they renumber it just to conform to a numbering convention that nobody uses anyways?  Roads that connect at both ends to an interstate but aren't a bypass are kinda in a gray area anyways.

They could always decommission it and just call it US 412, since that number is as out-of-compliance as an I-155 that had interstates at both termini would be.  :spin:
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: english si on July 07, 2012, 01:58:30 PM
US 412 is less compliant than I-155 meeting another interstate at it's far end, surely? There's bag loads of precedent for 3dis that are odd as they don't join back to their parent route or any siblings (plus other ones that do 'keep it in the family').

I-135 (KS), I-155 (IL), I-170 (MO) - another that the route at the far end became interstate later, I-195 (RI-MA) - meets a sibling at far end, I-196 (MI), I-335 (KS), I-355 (IL), I-376 (PA), I-380 (PA), I-390 (NY) - far end became interstate later, I-395 (CT-MA), I-505 (CA), I-520 (GA-SC) - meets parent at both ends, I-580 (CA), I-590 (NY) - meets siblings at both ends, I-780(CA) and I-980 (CA) - meets two siblings.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: TheStranger on July 07, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
The bigger question is will I-155 retain its number when its eastern terminus will be at I-69?  It could no longer use the first digit odd principle if it terminates at two interstates. 

The rule really only is that it doesn't terminate at its parent (the Illinois usage of odd 3dis and California's I-505 come to mind), with the extended I-520 and I-376 being the two recent exceptions to this.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: roadman65 on July 07, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
The bigger question is will I-155 retain its number when its eastern terminus will be at I-69?  It could no longer use the first digit odd principle if it terminates at two interstates. 
Why would they renumber it just to conform to a numbering convention that nobody uses anyways?  Roads that connect at both ends to an interstate but aren't a bypass are kinda in a gray area anyways.

They could always decommission it and just call it US 412, since that number is as out-of-compliance as an I-155 that had interstates at both termini would be.  :spin:
Well stranger things have happened before.
Anyway the real thing I was getting at I was totally unsure of how exactly the numbering scheme really worked for 3 digits.  I was told why I-684 in NYS was allowed to be first digit even though it is a spur of its parent and not a loop.  It is because both terminuses interchange with other interstates.  Then someone wrote into Wikipedia about I-495 being a violation because its 1980's extension past I-295 to Eastern Long Island near Riverhead requires it to be a first digit odd cause it ends at a non interstate facility as before it connected to two interstates at each end.  Remember, originally I-495 was to cross Manhattan and be NJ 495 is now.   So it would have connected its parent in Secuacus, NJ and I-78 then I-295 in Queens under its original scheme.  I am well aware of I-376 breaking the rules and I have seen some suggestions on here or other roadgeek sites that this should be changed or in a perfect world swap places with I-476 would be best is my suggestion.

I could really care less what they call it as I do not loose any sleep like many do on this forumover roads not conforming to FHWA standards.  Heck call it plain ol US 412 that is not in the grid or even call it I-238 eastern extension. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 13, 2012, 11:08:31 AM
Memphis Urban Area Metropolitan Planning Organization administrator Pragati Srivastava stated yesterday that the expectation is still to have I-69 completed through metro Memphis by 2020 (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/mar/21/mpo-administrator-recaps-plans-to-ccim/):
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“The TIP is literally where the rubber meets the road,” Srivastava said, “because in our TIP, all of the projects that we have identified in our long-range plan get the funding associated with those projects in the Transportation Improvement Program ....”
Major projects of the 2011-2014 TIP are ... the preliminary phases of Interstate 69 – which is anticipated to be completed by 2020.
However, until federal funding is allocated..."
Because they, like just about everyone else, would prefer to feed off the Federal teet until it's completely dried up instead of making their own milk.
This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=70821) ... [mentions that] ... I-69 Coalition vice president Ed Revell at least pays lip service to some ideas to partially wean Tennessee's I-69 funding off of the federal teat:
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Among the ideas presented by Revell were:
 • A public/private partnership as a method of raising funds
 • Establishing toll roads in Tennessee
 • Gas tax indexing
 • The use of SAFETEA-LU (Safe Accountable Flexible Efficient Transportation Equity Act — A Legacy for Users) funding for I-69.


After seeing the scheduled lettings for the remaining sections of Tennessee's I-269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg159213#msg159213), I emailed Ms. Srivastava and asked what the game plan is for I-69 in metro Memphis through 2020.  Given her March comments, I was a little surprised by her response (and caused to wonder how they could include a 2020 completion date in the 2040 LRTP  :hmm:):

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I-69 is a highway of national significance, reaching far beyond the borders of Tennessee.  So far our investments in I-69 total more than $200 million, most of which was comprised of federal earmarks with some state matching funds.  At this time there is no further federal funding dedicated to the I-69 corridor.  Without a commitment on the federal level, Tennessee and other I-69 corridor states, are faced with difficult choices on how to proceed with the development of I-69.  It is difficult to continue our efforts to engage the public regarding I-69 projects when we are unable to define schedules and provide property owners with the information they desire.  These are the reasons TDOT has made the decision to postpone any further public meetings and design work on the various segments of I-69 until there is a dedicated funding source.   When and if the funding issue is resolved, TDOT will be ready to resume work on I-69.

It will be interesting to see if TDOT either examines alternative forms of financing (such as those suggested by the I-69 Coalition) or continues to sit back and wait on the federal government...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mightyace on July 13, 2012, 09:03:12 PM
As I've mentioned on more than one occasion, Tennessee has a tollway authority, even though it's dormant.  The hard part would be getting to feds to allow parts of I-69 to be a toll road.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on July 16, 2012, 09:16:27 AM
The hard part would be getting to feds to allow parts of I-69 to be a toll road.

I believe that a bypass along US 77 that will be a portion of I-69 in south Texas is going to be built as a toll facility.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: bugo on July 16, 2012, 11:56:11 AM
Is there a real need for US 77 to be a freeway?  Isn't it a 4 lane divided road from Victoria to Harlingen except for a few short stretches?  From the looks on the map, there are long stretches of nothing.  Isn't that good enough?  What is the speed limit (I'm guessing 70.)  If there are small towns it still goes through, then by all means bypass them but building a new interstate next to a perfectly good 4 lane highway seems wasteful to me.

And why is US 281 being upgraded when it runs 20-25 miles west and parallel to US 77?  The whole I-69 deal stinks of pork.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on July 16, 2012, 11:57:26 AM
Is there a real need for US 77 to be a freeway?  Isn't it a 4 lane divided road from Victoria to Harlingen except for a few short stretches?  From the looks on the map, there are long stretches of nothing.  Isn't that good enough?  What is the speed limit (I'm guessing 70.)  If there are small towns it still goes through, then by all means bypass them but building a new interstate next to a perfectly good 4 lane highway seems wasteful to me.

I believe the road in between the small towns will be upgraded to interstate standards, but bypasses will be built around the towns. The bypasses will be tolled, I believe.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on July 16, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
Is there a real need for US 77 to be a freeway?  Isn't it a 4 lane divided road from Victoria to Harlingen except for a few short stretches?  From the looks on the map, there are long stretches of nothing.  Isn't that good enough?  What is the speed limit (I'm guessing 70.)  If there are small towns it still goes through, then by all means bypass them but building a new interstate next to a perfectly good 4 lane highway seems wasteful to me.

And why is US 281 being upgraded when it runs 20-25 miles west and parallel to US 77?  The whole I-69 deal stinks of pork.

Well...they're not exactly building a new Interstate....just upgrading the existing highway with grade seperated crossovers and ramps to the ranch entrances, with bypasses where needed. Not nearly as expensive.

I can agree with you on US 281, though...that sounds like more overkill to me.

I still say, though, that signing US 77 as "I-69" violates the spirit of the original intended I-69 corridor, which was US 59 to Laredo. I'd prefer an extended I-37 for US 77 myself, and save I-69 for when the Laredo-Houston segments are upgraded. But, they've made their decision, I guess.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on July 16, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Is there a real need for US 77 to be a freeway?  Isn't it a 4 lane divided road from Victoria to Harlingen except for a few short stretches?  From the looks on the map, there are long stretches of nothing.  Isn't that good enough?  What is the speed limit (I'm guessing 70.)  If there are small towns it still goes through, then by all means bypass them but building a new interstate next to a perfectly good 4 lane highway seems wasteful to me.

I believe the road in between the small towns will be upgraded to interstate standards, but bypasses will be built around the towns. The bypasses will be tolled, I believe.

I thought that tolling the bypasses was just one option of many, and I had heard that they had found a way to fund the bypasses without tolling.  I'll check and see...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on July 16, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
Oh...and shouldn't these last few posts be moved to the "I-69 in TX" thread?? Not quite TN, I reckon... :spin:
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on July 16, 2012, 01:38:17 PM
Oh...and shouldn't these last few posts be moved to the "I-69 in TX" thread?? Not quite TN, I reckon... :spin:

Yeah...sorry for the slight off-topic posting. It is always tricky when things in one thread get brought up that fits better in another. :colorful:
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Alps on July 16, 2012, 07:49:07 PM
It's part of the flow of discussion. You may want to raise it there also, but it's probably run its course here.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 16, 2012, 09:56:29 PM
As I've mentioned on more than one occasion, Tennessee has a tollway authority, even though it's dormant.  The hard part would be getting to feds to allow parts of I-69 to be a toll road.

In this thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7186.msg161116#msg161116), I interpret MAP-21 as permitting tolls on new terrain interstates because such construction is "initial construction of a highway":

I wondered how MAP-21 (http://www.rules.house.gov/Media/file/PDF_112_2/LegislativeText/CRPT-112hrpt-HR4348.pdf) addresses the issue of tolling.  Section 1512(a)(1)(A) [pages 167-68/599 of pdf] appears to allow tolling of new terrain sections of interstates:
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SEC. 1512. TOLLING.
(a) AMENDMENT TO TOLLING PROVISION.—Section 129(a) of title 23, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
‘‘(a) BASIC PROGRAM.—
‘‘(1) AUTHORIZATION FOR FEDERAL PARTICIPATION.—Subject to the provisions of this section, Federal participation shall be
permitted on the same basis and in the same manner as construction of toll-free highways is permitted under this chapter
in the—
‘‘(A) initial construction of a toll highway, bridge, or tunnel or approach to the highway, bridge, or tunnel

Even with tolls allowed, the question would be whether there would be sufficient traffic volume along Tennessee's I-69 corridor to generate enough money from the tolls to account for a high percentage of construction costs.  Also, if tolls were to be implemented, then there would probably need to be some sort of mechanism around the I-155 bridge to account for potential shunpikers traveling on I-55 from Memphis to Dyersburg, as suggested below (even though the quote is in an entirely different context):

This future I-69 (when fully completed through southern Arkansas and northern Louisiana) will greatly alleviate a lot of the heavy truck traffic that's clogging up I-30/I-40 (aside from the split speed limit that buffers car traffic as well).
Even if Tennessee doesn't build up US51 (it's a pain right now), the easy alternative is I-55 north to I-155 to Dyersburg.
Sykotyk
(above quote from I-69 in TX (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg118455#msg118455) thread)

At the very least, I believe that Tennessee will conduct a toll feasibility study for I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 20, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
TDOT has released its 2013-15 3-Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/TDOT3yrPlan.pdf) and an accompanying Regional Project Highlights (http://news.tn.gov/system/files/Regional%20Fact%20Sheets.pdf) sheet.
(above quote from Tennessee (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg143748#msg143748) thread)

This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=72710) reports that Congressman Stephen Fincher recently assured Obion County officals that MAP-21 keeps federal funding "in place" for I-69:

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Congressman Stephen Fincher made his first appearance at the Obion County Courthouse Monday afternoon a very memorable one .... Topics covered during the meeting included ... I-69 ...
Fincher informed the more than 40 people at the meeting that a two-year federal transportation bill has passed, which could provide funding for such projects as I-69. He explained that he and others in Congress pushed for a five-year bill, but he said the two-year transportation legislation that was passed will at least keep federal funding in place for such projects as I-69 ...

It's true that MAP-21 could provide funding for I-69; however, since MAP-21 contains no federal earmarks for specific projects and no non-I-269 projects are included in the 2013-15 3-Year Plan, I doubt TDOT will suddenly change their priorities to include I-69 project(s).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 02, 2012, 06:41:35 PM
I doubt TDOT will suddenly change their priorities to include I-69 project(s).

This article (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/aug/3/congestion-woes/) suggests that lack of progress on I-69 in Arkansas and Louisiana has moved I-69 towards the bottom of TDOT's priorities:

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Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer told the Regional Logistics Council Thursday, Aug. 2, that his office has the “right priority list” of road projects for the Memphis area ....
the state is not moving ahead with any funding of the Tennessee portion of the Interstate 69 project until or unless there is a dedicated source of funding.
The $140 million the state has spent on the north-south interstate so far has been federal highway fund money.
“We have 1,500 projects and $9.5 billion worth of work. I-69 is an important road if it is built to completion north to south. It is, in my opinion, not as important if it’s only built from Mississippi to Kentucky,” Schroer said in response to a question about I-69. “We are spending our money on other projects that have a larger, more immediate impact and using the limited dollars we have to impact more people throughout the state. Until we get dedicated funding for I-69 we won’t be spending any more money on it.

Would a study demonstrate the feasibility of tolls for I-69?

EDIT

That Schorer guy looks a lot like Kentucky's governor. My first thought upon seeing that picture was, "WTF is that idiot doing holding a state-named shield from Tennessee when we don't even have them in Kentucky?"

I guess below may be the last Tennessee I-69 shield Schroer will ever hold:
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1790054/photo/1584026.html
(http://i.imgur.com/HxhP4.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on September 05, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
This article (http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=70661) indicates that Phase 1 construction of Section 4 of SIU 7 near Union City is "nearing completion", but there is no money to proceed with Phase 2 construction:
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Phase 1 construction of Section 4 is “nearing completion,” according to Erwin White with the state Department of Transportation.
“Phase 1 construction refers to grading, structures, roadway tie-ins that are necessary to maintain traffic around and across the project, erosion control, etc.,” he stated.
Phase 2 construction for that section has not been budgeted. That phase involves the completion of the interstate base, asphalt paving, installing guardrails, installing signs and striping the interstate .... However, until federal funding is allocated for the project, the interstate will remain covered with what [Michael Harrison of Ford Construction] called “incidental asphalt.” The final layer of gravel and asphalt paving will have to wait until funding is approved and contracts are signed for the work.
“If they don’t let any more sections ... it’ll stay closed,” Harrison said.
This article (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/aug/3/congestion-woes/) suggests that lack of progress on I-69 in Arkansas and Louisiana has moved I-69 towards the bottom of TDOT's priorities:
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Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer ... “We have 1,500 projects and $9.5 billion worth of work. I-69 is an important road if it is built to completion north to south. It is, in my opinion, not as important if it’s only built from Mississippi to Kentucky,” Schroer said in response to a question about I-69. “We are spending our money on other projects that have a larger, more immediate impact and using the limited dollars we have to impact more people throughout the state. Until we get dedicated funding for I-69 we won’t be spending any more money on it.”

TDOT recently posted the Schedule for Commissioner Schroer's upcoming Region 4 bus tour (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tour/schedules/Region4ProjectsTour2012SCHEDULE82412.pdf) and it is notable that, even though Obion County's first I-69 project is either complete or nearly complete, Commissioner Schroer did not include a visit to it on the bus tour.  I guess it would be a pointless visit since it will probably sit unused for a long time.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on September 18, 2012, 03:38:29 PM
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We are anticipating having a FEIS by the end of the year and the ROD by year end or first quarter of 2013.  The answer to your second question is that we already have funding for Engineer/Design phase on SIU 7, 8, and 9.  We need money for acquisition and construction.
This TV video report (http://www.wmctv.com/story/18918655/tdot-works) indicates that the Indiana bat is also an issue for Tennessee's I-69 SIU 8
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You may shake your head, but an endangered bat could force a new route for the proposed Interstate 69 through a portion of West Tennessee ... It's called the Indiana Bat ... This miniature mammal could determine where Interstate 69 travels from Millington to Dyersburg.
"We're searching for bats," said TDOT Community Relations Officer Nichole Lawrence.

An email I recently received from TDOT indicates that no bats were found, but the anticipated date for receiving a Record of Decision on the Millington to Dyersburg SIU 8 section of I-69 has been pushed back to the third quarter of 2013:

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The Indiana bat study has added some to time to the completion of the FEIS.  The study was completed in August and no Indiana Bats were found.  The consultant is working  hard to have the FEIS submitted to TDOT for review by year end.   We anticipate having a ROD around the 3 quarter of 2013.

The email also confirms the (hopefully) temporary "deep sleep" of I-69 in Tennessee by indicating that even all design work is coming to a halt:

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We have nearly spent all of the federal earmark dollars for I-69 and there are no further federal dollars dedicated to the I-69 project at this time.  Federal dollars will be used to fund 80% of the project and without a commitment at the federal level it is difficult for us to continue our efforts to develop the project.  Therefore, we have made the decision to postpone any further design work on the various segments of I-69 until there is a dedicated funding source.  When the funding issue is resolved, TDOT will be ready to resume work.

I'm beginning to wonder if TDOT's decision to shut down I-69 will have an impact on Mississippi DOT's desire to complete the Tunica area to Mississippi River Bridge SIU 11 of Interstate 69?  LaDOTD and AHTD are already moving at a glacial pace in Louisiana and Arkansas.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 14, 2012, 08:18:43 PM
This article (http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=70661) indicates that Phase 1 construction of Section 4 of SIU 7 near Union City is "nearing completion", but there is no money to proceed with Phase 2 construction:
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Progress on the local section of Interstate 69 continues to be stalled by a lack of federal funding ... Work on one local section of the interstate is continuing, and is actually ahead of schedule, according to Michael Harrison of Ford Construction ... Ford Construction has the contract for Section 4 of I-69, which extends from just north of the Titan Tire plant around to just south of West Main Street .... Phase 1 construction of Section 4 is “nearing completion,” according to Erwin White with the state Department of Transportation.
“Phase 1 construction refers to grading, structures, roadway tie-ins that are necessary to maintain traffic around and across the project, erosion control, etc.,” he stated .... However, until federal funding is allocated for the project, the interstate will remain covered with what Harrison called “incidental asphalt.” The final layer of gravel and asphalt paving will have to wait until funding is approved and contracts are signed for the work.
“If they don’t let any more sections ... it’ll stay closed,” Harrison said.

This brief Oct. 29 article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=76691) indicates that the Section 4 work is "winding down":

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Work on the local leg of the interstate is winding down this fall, with no new federal funding allocated for the project locally.

The article also has a photo of construction on an overpass:
(http://i.imgur.com/5Zhmt.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on December 25, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
the west TN politicos ... were more interested in better routes from their region to Nashville than getting from Union City and Dyersburg to Memphis, hence the ridiculously overbuilt TN 22 freeway, US 412 from Jackson to Dyersburg, etc.  The parts of US 51 freeway north of Dyersburg also fit in this mold.
And now those politicians are gone, and the ones that replaced them aren't particularly interested in diverting resources to an area they think got disproportionate attention from the 60s through 80s, hence the lack of I-69 progress ... it'll be a while before the political pressure is there again.
(above quote from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg191192#msg191192) thread)

This Memphis Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/dec/24/no-headline---evergreen_interstate/) article reports that at least one west Tennessee legislator thinks TDOT Commissioner John Schroer needs to explain to the state legislature his decision to halt I-69 work for the foreseeable future because of the legislator's perception of an east Tennessee bias on the part of Schroer:

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state Sen. Jim Kyle, D-Memphis and the Senate's Democratic minority leader., said I-69 is "certainly dead in Tennessee" at least for now, and he is critical of the process.
"This is touted as a huge economic engine for every state touched by I-69," Kyle said. "For the commissioner to just do that I think is unusual.We've never had any public discussion of that decision with the legislature, particularly in the affected counties. They get a huge percentage of federal funding.
"As near as I can tell, the justification he gave has never been explained to a legislative committee and I think it should be. I intend to ask the (Senate) Transportation Committee to hold hearings on the matter. It's another example that the focus of this administration is east of the Tennessee River. It's something especially we Shelby County and West Tennessee legislators need to ask."

The article also reports that TDOT's current estimate to complete I-69 through Tennessee is $1.5 billion to $2 billion:

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Tennessee has invested about $200 million in the I-69 corridor, which parallels the Mississippi River and U.S. 51, in planning, design and right-of-way acquisition. TDOT estimates it will take from $1.5 billion to $2 billion to build and complete the project through the state, according to Nichole Lawrence, TDOT's West Tennessee community relations officer.

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The article also reports that Schroer not only wants dedicated funding for I-69 in Tennessee before proceeding with construction, but also wants dedicated funding for I-69 in other states along the route, as well:

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... B.J. Doughty, TDOT's director of communications and community relations.
"They (the federal government) have not said they are going to dedicate funding for it. What the commissioner wants is some dedicated funding for I-69, not only to Tennessee but to other states as well. We're ready to proceed when there is dedicated funding."
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on December 26, 2012, 02:23:56 AM
The real root of the distrust here goes back to the botched 840 planning.  The state spent tens of millions of dollars, maybe even hundreds of millions, that could have gone toward matching the federal share on other projects (I-69, TN 385, I-475, US 27, etc.) to avoid doing a federal EIS on 840 (and dug in their heels under West Tennessee governors like Sundquist and McWherter, I might add), and then the state dragged the construction out so long that the EIS and inevitable lawsuits really wouldn't have delayed its completion much.

I think politically the winds aren't right at the moment, but eventually the Democrats will figure out again how to run statewide candidates in the south who can go back to the Whitten/Byrd days of "tax the rich yankees and spend it here in the south," or the southern GOP will figure out how to run on that platform again instead of the zealously-anti-(non-military)-pork one.  That's the politics that built roads like I-68, I-22, and the original I-49, for better or for worse.  But I wouldn't count on the rump Tennessee Democrats like Kyle to make that happen; Memphis is basically at the bottom of the state GOP's Christmas Card list, after decades of Democrats running roughshod at the state level, and it's gonna be a while before the GOP is done returning he favor.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 05, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
This Memphis Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/dec/24/no-headline---evergreen_interstate/) article reports that .... Schroer not only wants dedicated funding for I-69 in Tennessee before proceeding with construction, but also wants dedicated funding for I-69 in other states along the route, as well

This may be confused reporting, but this Jan. 4 article (http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20130105/NEWS01/301050015/Road-projects-planned-TDOT-commissioner-discusses-work-Northwest-Tennessee) reports that limited I-69 construction will continue in northwest Tennessee:

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Schroer said the I-69 corridor in Tennessee has been in the planning stage for more than 20 years. He said the entire project will cost about $2 billion.
“We’re about to complete I-269 and connect it to I-55 through Mississippi,” he said. “We’re also doing some work in the northwest part of the state.”
Schroer said the northwest portion of I-69 will be completed within five to eight years, depending on state funding. He said additional parts of the interstate will require additional funding from a federal grant.

Every other article/editorial that I have read on this subject indicates that I-69 construction in Tennessee is coming to a complete halt.  Maybe finishing the I-155 to Kentucky state line Section of Independent Utility 7 ("SIU 7") to some degree is still "live"?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 08, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
This may be confused reporting, but this Jan. 4 article (http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20130105/NEWS01/301050015/Road-projects-planned-TDOT-commissioner-discusses-work-Northwest-Tennessee) reports that limited I-69 construction will continue in northwest Tennessee:
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Schroer said the northwest portion of I-69 will be completed within five to eight years, depending on state funding. He said additional parts of the interstate will require additional funding from a federal grant.
Maybe finishing the I-155 to Kentucky state line Section of Independent Utility 7 ("SIU 7") to some degree is still "live"?

TDOT Commissioner Schroer has a guest column in the Jan. 8 Memphis Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/jan/08/guest-column-xxyxyxxy/) in which he speaks about I-69 construction between "Memphis and Dyersburg":

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The decision to halt work on the segment of Interstate 69 in West Tennessee is the right decision for now ....
Currently, there are no more congressional earmarks, no promises and no commitments on the federal level to help us finish this highway. That leaves TDOT staring at a $1.5 billion price tag to build 65 miles of new highway between Memphis and Dyersburg.

It sounds to me like he is saying that work will continue on SIU 7 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf) and that the above Jan 4 article reported the situation correctly.

This future I-69 (when fully completed through southern Arkansas and northern Louisiana) will greatly alleviate a lot of the heavy truck traffic that's clogging up I-30/I-40 (aside from the split speed limit that buffers car traffic as well).
Even if Tennessee doesn't build up US51 (it's a pain right now), the easy alternative is I-55 north to I-155 to Dyersburg.
Sykotyk
(above quote from I-69 in TX (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg118455#msg118455) thread)

Completing SIU 7 would make sense in terms of connecting I-155 to I-69 in Kentucky and Indiana.  Schroer has a legitimate point that it is hard to justify I-69 from Dyersburg to Shreveport without more committed funding.  It will be interesting to see if any more Union City I-69 projects will get funding in the next year or so.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 08, 2013, 11:51:52 AM
The section from Dyersburg to South Fulton is all freeway except for South Union. Isn't the section under construction there designed to provide a full freeway bypass of South Union (which will then be a good candidate for the "Bypasses of Bypasses" thread)?

Once that's done, the route will be a full limited access freeway all the way from I-55 in Missouri to the end of the Pennyrile Parkway in Henderson for northbound traffic. Southbound traffic will have to stop at the end of the ramp that carries US 51 off the Fulton/South Fulton bypass.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 08, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
I imagine the most expensive part of the Dyersburg to Fulton segment will be reworking the interchange with US 45E at South Fulton, KY.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 08, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
I imagine the most expensive part of the Dyersburg to Fulton segment will be reworking the interchange with US 45E at South Fulton, KY.

Only thing I've ever noticed that is not up to Interstate standards, besides the interchange, is the U-turn required for northbound US 51/45W traffic to access Ken-Tenn Road, TN Secondary (mumble) and the obvious old routing of US 51/45W.

A flyover northbound and some widening on the southbound ramp ought to knock out the problems at the state line interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 04, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
As I've mentioned on more than one occasion, Tennessee has a tollway authority, even though it's dormant.  The hard part would be getting to feds to allow parts of I-69 to be a toll road.
Even with tolls allowed, the question would be whether there would be sufficient traffic volume along Tennessee's I-69 corridor to generate enough money from the tolls to account for a high percentage of construction costs.

This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1937580.html) reports that traffic studies have indicated that I-69 would not generate enough traffic to support tolls:

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State Rep. Bill Sanderson addressed approximately 75 residents .... After Sanderson's detailed update on what is transpiring in Nashville he fielded questions from the audience, and Dyersburg Alderman Bob Kirk .... asked if there was a possibility of installing a toll road to generate revenue for the corridor. Sanderson responded that Schroer previously had addressed the use of toll roads to fund I-69. However, traffic studies indicated that there would not be enough traffic to generate the required revenue.

Attendees were also encouraged to attend a Feb. 22 meeting with Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer:

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... Dyersburg Alderman Bob Kirk immediately asked about the status of Interstate 69. Sanderson responded that he had just met with Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer, who is concerned about the current funding for the I-69 corridor or lack thereof. Schroer pointed to vehicles extending their gas mileage as well as the costs of asphalt rising. Also Sanderson stated that I-69 began as a federal earmark to construct a highway that runs north and south from Michigan to Texas. Currently there are no federal earmarks to complete the highway.
"There is no urgency in his (Schroer's) voice to complete it," said Sanderson.
Everyone was encouraged to attend a public meeting with Schroer set to take place at the Chamber on Friday, Feb. 22 at noon. Sanderson said that interested individuals should come and stress the importance of completing at least the portions that are half done in Union City and Memphis.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 12, 2013, 07:41:36 PM
This may be confused reporting, but this Jan. 4 article (http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20130105/NEWS01/301050015/Road-projects-planned-TDOT-commissioner-discusses-work-Northwest-Tennessee) reports that limited I-69 construction will continue in northwest Tennessee:
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Schroer said the northwest portion of I-69 will be completed within five to eight years, depending on state funding. He said additional parts of the interstate will require additional funding from a federal grant.
TDOT Commissioner Schroer has a guest column in the Jan. 8 Memphis Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/jan/08/guest-column-xxyxyxxy/) in which he speaks about I-69 construction between "Memphis and Dyersburg":
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The decision to halt work on the segment of Interstate 69 in West Tennessee is the right decision for now ....
Currently, there are no more congressional earmarks, no promises and no commitments on the federal level to help us finish this highway. That leaves TDOT staring at a $1.5 billion price tag to build 65 miles of new highway between Memphis and Dyersburg.

This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) seems to bring some clarity to Schroer's remarks by reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher indicating that construction on the Union City and Memphis sections of I-69 will proceed, but the section between Troy and Memphis is being halted:

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Congressman Fincher stated the Tennessee Department of Transportation is slated to receive approximately $1 billion per year for the next three years. He stressed the importance of spending as much of the money on the I-69 project as possible, because the completion of the interstate highway will lead to the creation of jobs.
“It will change forever the landscape of this district,” Fincher said.
“Memphis is where everything is coming together. You’ve got the rail, the air, the water and the roads. The problem is the bridge that’s going to be built over the Mississippi River. That’s a funding problem. They’re talking about a toll. They’re talking about a lot of things. We are all for I-69. We’re working every day to secure more funding.”
Fincher mentioned that mayors and other elected official could apply for a grant for “Roads of National Significance” that could possible provide additional funding. He explained there is $1 billion in the fund, and Tennessee could possibly get some of the funding.
Fincher stated, over the next three or four years, the lower part of the I-69 project will be completed around Union City, which will cost approximately $100 million. It will cost another $100 million to complete the I-69 project from Memphis to the Mississippi border.
“The problem is between Troy and Memphis,” Fincher said. “All of that area, from what a commissioner told me, will be halted (due to insufficient funding).
And to me, that’s a problem.”

I'm guessing that "Memphis to the Mississippi border" means from an I-69/I-269 interchange near Millington to the Mississippi state line. It will now be interesting to see if any I-69 projects show up in a couple of months in the next TIP.



This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1937580.html) reports that .... Attendees were also encouraged to attend a Feb. 22 meeting with Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer

It would be nice if Commissioner Schroer will set forth a timeline for completion of the Union City and Memphis segments at the February 22 meeting.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 24, 2013, 02:11:19 AM
This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1937580.html) reports that .... Attendees were also encouraged to attend a Feb. 22 meeting with Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer

This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1944253.html) reports that Schroer estimated in the February 22 meeting that it will take three to four years to complete the section in Union City (excluding paving), and approximately ten years to complete it to Troy:

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Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer's visit to Dyer County on Friday afternoon was not as painful as some local leaders may have expected ....
Schroer said I-69 projects from both the north and south have begun, with three segments in Union City partially complete. With right-of-way purchases and plans drawn, Schroer said the cost to complete the road to Troy will still take $120 million, half the funds available in the state transportation budget.
"We are committed to getting this section done," said Schroer, who estimates it will take four years to complete the second and third segments of the highway through Union City and a little longer to complete the paving. "We will be following that into Troy."
Schroer expects that leg of the project to take $60 million. Work on that portion, too, will be divided.
"(We will divide that into) two segments," said Schroer. "That will probably take somewhere around a 10-year program."

When that section is complete, Schroer said Tennessee will have the north and south sides of I-69 complete.
"(We will just be) waiting on the middle section," said Schroer, who said that middle section - SIU 8 - consists of 65 miles between Millington and Dyersburg. "(That cost is estimated at) $1.2 billion to 1.5 billion in today's dollars." ....



New terrain I-69 from TN 300 to TN 385 is 12.83 miles in length and is projected to cost $99,031,574.
New terrain I-69 from east ... of US 51 near Millington to the Tipton County line is 4.80 miles in length and projected to cost $37,058,429.
I emailed a Comment to the Memphis MPO last night about it and received the following reply:
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The LRTP project that includes the I-69/I-269 interchange and the portion of the new highway from US-51 to the interchange is project ID 158: “I-69, East of US-51 near Millington to the Tipton County line. ... This portion of the I-69/I-269 project will connect with the existing SR-385 at US-51 and extend northwest/north to the Tipton County line, with a system interchange (no access to surface streets) where project ID 157: “I-69, SR-300 to SR-385,” ties in.
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Schroer said Tennessee will have the ... south side ... of I-69 complete.

I'm not convinced that Schroer included the SIU 9 TN 300 to TN 385/Future I-269 new terrain "south side" section in his financial calculations.  Nevertheless, he appears to be committed to completing the near-Kentucky state line to Troy SIU 7 section in a slow-but-steady fashion; in other words, I-69 in Tennessee is not completely dead.



I imagine the most expensive part of the Dyersburg to Fulton segment will be reworking the interchange with US 45E at South Fulton, KY.
A flyover northbound and some widening on the southbound ramp ought to knock out the problems at the state line interchange.

I'm not sure Schroer's comments addressed the cost of the state line tie-in, either.  However, I received an email in January from TDOT indicating that Kentucky and Tennessee are currently doing preliminary work on the state line connection:

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TDOT and Kentucky are working together to define the corridor at the state line.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: thefro on February 25, 2013, 09:21:21 AM
This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1937580.html) reports that .... Attendees were also encouraged to attend a Feb. 22 meeting with Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer

This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1944253.html) reports that Schroer estimated in the February 22 meeting that it will take three to four years to complete the section in Union City (excluding paving), and approximately ten years to complete it to Troy:

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Tennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer's visit to Dyer County on Friday afternoon was not as painful as some local leaders may have expected ....
Schroer said I-69 projects from both the north and south have begun, with three segments in Union City partially complete. With right-of-way purchases and plans drawn, Schroer said the cost to complete the road to Troy will still take $120 million, half the funds available in the state transportation budget.
"We are committed to getting this section done," said Schroer, who estimates it will take four years to complete the second and third segments of the highway through Union City and a little longer to complete the paving. "We will be following that into Troy."
Schroer expects that leg of the project to take $60 million. Work on that portion, too, will be divided.
"(We will divide that into) two segments," said Schroer. "That will probably take somewhere around a 10-year program."

When that section is complete, Schroer said Tennessee will have the north and south sides of I-69 complete.
"(We will just be) waiting on the middle section," said Schroer, who said that middle section - SIU 8 - consists of 65 miles between Millington and Dyersburg. "(That cost is estimated at) $1.2 billion to 1.5 billion in today's dollars." ....



New terrain I-69 from TN 300 to TN 385 is 12.83 miles in length and is projected to cost $99,031,574.
New terrain I-69 from east ... of US 51 near Millington to the Tipton County line is 4.80 miles in length and projected to cost $37,058,429.
I emailed a Comment to the Memphis MPO last night about it and received the following reply:
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The LRTP project that includes the I-69/I-269 interchange and the portion of the new highway from US-51 to the interchange is project ID 158: “I-69, East of US-51 near Millington to the Tipton County line. ... This portion of the I-69/I-269 project will connect with the existing SR-385 at US-51 and extend northwest/north to the Tipton County line, with a system interchange (no access to surface streets) where project ID 157: “I-69, SR-300 to SR-385,” ties in.
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Schroer said Tennessee will have the ... south side ... of I-69 complete.

I'm not convinced that Schroer included the SIU 9 TN 300 to TN 385/Future I-269 new terrain "south side" section in his financial calculations.  Nevertheless, he appears to be committed to completing the near-Kentucky state line to Troy SIU 7 section in a slow-but-steady fashion; in other words, I-69 in Tennessee is not completely dead.

That's key to help justify the I-69 parkway upgrades in Kentucky (helps a bit in Indiana too, but they're going to complete their sections to Indianapolis at this point since SR 37 has the traffic to justify it already).  You can still get interstate access to Memphis from Dyersburg via I-155/I-55.

I don't see any huge urgency to build SIU 8 in the next 10-15 years without dedicated federal money, given the current pace the various other I-69 projects are on.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 26, 2013, 08:17:45 AM
This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1944253.html)
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"We are committed to getting this section done," said Schroer, who estimates it will take four years to complete the second and third segments of the highway through Union City and a little longer to complete the paving. "We will be following that into Troy."
Schroer expects that leg of the project to take $60 million. Work on that portion, too, will be divided.
"(We will divide that into) two segments," said Schroer. "That will probably take somewhere around a 10-year program

A Union City Messenger reporter spoke with Schroer after the February 22 meeting (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=80845) and Schroer provided a little more detail about the respective timelines associated with the ten year program to complete I-69 to Troy:

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“We’re in the process of starting construction on the second of three phases (of I-69 around Union City). We should do that within the next year to 18 months and when that’s completed we’ll start on the third section and once those sections are all done, then we’ll pave. They are about two-year projects, so I would say somewhere in the next six to eight years the section around Union City will be completed,” Schroer told The Messenger after Friday’s meeting.
“Then you go down to Troy and you’ve got two more projects there. Those are $30 million projects each and they’re probably 36-month projects, so for the completion of the whole area it will be about 10 years,” he said.

Estimated cost to complete I-69 through Obion County:

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The route through Obion County (from Fulton, Ky., to the southern border of the county) has been estimated to cost from $230 to $300 million.

The article neither mentions projects in the Memphis area nor mentions projects related to the Kentucky state line tie-in.



Tennessee and I-69 Coalition officials posing with a "Tennessee" I-69 shield:
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1790054/photo/1584026.html
(http://i.imgur.com/HxhP4.jpg)
That Schorer guy looks a lot like Kentucky's governor

Not that it matters, but speaking of Kentucky, I believe the photo's caption had a mistake and that is the Kentucky governor in the photo.  Here is a photo of Schroer from a recent article:

(http://i.imgur.com/8zauakC.jpg)

Belated nice catch.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 27, 2013, 05:26:12 PM
I recently received an email update from TDOT reflecting Commissioner Schroer's comments re SIU 7:

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The focus is to finish what has been started on SIU7.   It is not our intentions to build a road to nowhere so we are going to focus on finishing SIU 7.  This will give us a connection from the Kentucky State line to I-155 at Dyersburg.  We estimate that it could take about 10 years to accomplish this.



This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) ... reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher indicating that construction on the ... Memphis sections of I-69 will proceed:
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... It will cost another $100 million to complete the I-69 project from Memphis to the Mississippi border.
“The problem is between Troy and Memphis,” Fincher said
Memphis MPO has posted its Direction 2040 Long Term Transportation Plan on the Direction 2040 website.  It looks like the new thought is to have all of I-69 from TN 300 to the Tipton County line, and I-269 from the interchange to TN 385, completed by 2020:
http://direction2040.com/library/Draft_Chapter_08%20(Implementation%20Plan).pdf ...
New terrain I-69 from TN 300 to TN 385 is 12.83 miles in length and is projected to cost $99,031,574.
New terrain I-69 from east ... of US 51 near Millington to the Tipton County line is 4.80 miles in length and projected to cost $37,058,429.
The Memphis MPO recently approved its Priority List from its November 15 Agenda (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77)
(bottom quote from Tennessee (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg188898#msg188898) thread, with the post containing an image of the Priority List)

The TDOT email also addresses SIU 9 in Memphis:

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The I-69 projects in Memphis compete with other projects for dollars and there are more projects in the Memphis area than there are dollars.  It will depend on the ranking of I-69 in the list of projects that are important to the  area.

Since the above November 15, 2012 Memphis MPO ranking does not include any I-69 projects, I suspect Congressman Fincher may have been a little too optimistic in his assessment; however, it may be possible for I-69 to bubble up the priority chain in order to come close to meeting the 2020 goal, particularly with Tennessee scheduled to complete all of its other sections of I-269 by 2015 and Mississippi scheduled to complete its portion of I-269 by 2018.



Finally, in regard to SIU 8 (Millington to Dyersburg), the email ventures a best guess as to the respective times when the Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision may be issued:

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At this time I anticipate the FEIS for SIU 8 will be approved by FHWA this spring followed with the ROD later in the summer of this year.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 27, 2013, 08:28:16 PM
This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) ... reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher

Congressman Fincher posted a blog in the Dyersburg State Gazette (http://www.stategazette.com/blogs/1676/entry/51892/) today; interestingly, he looks to Wisconsin as providing a case example of why Tennessee should complete its section of I-69:

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At a time when our economy is sluggish, unemployment is high, budgets are tight and economic opportunities are limited, Tennessee should say YES to prioritizing its limited funds in smart projects that produce maximum economic gains. I-69 is such a project .... Just look at Wisconsin, between 1990 and 2001, 88 percent of the state's new and expanded manufacturing facilities decided to relocate within five miles of the "Corridors 2020" highway. This new highway links the state's key economic centers, illustrating the importance of an easily accessible goods movement infrastructure in business location decisions. Simply put, communities not connected to the interstate system are not considered by businesses as candidates for major industrial or business facilities.
Bottom line, I-69 is a smart project and should be made a priority. It creates opportunities for folks today and generations to come.

I guess he is telling the folks in Dyersburg to keep hanging in there.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on March 01, 2013, 04:36:05 AM
Wisconsin also chose to pump a good chunk of state money into their Corridors 2020 program.  Even Mississippi did as well, both with their 1987 Highway Program (the main reason they finished their portion of US 78 eons before Alabama) and the Vision 21 follow-up.  Is Tennessee willing to do the same?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mgk920 on March 01, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Also, nearly all of Wisconsin's 'Corridors 2020' roads are not interstates, simply important rural two-lane roads that were upgraded to various levels of four lanes since the mid-1980s.  It is at the top of my list of reasons why Wisconsin was able to withstand the recessions of the past couple of decades better than other states, despite all of the state's other warts.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: HandsomeRob on March 20, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Google Maps now shows I-69 running along US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, as well as sections of the new Union City bypass. Is any of this real, or is Google just doing some wishful thinking?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on March 20, 2013, 01:38:23 PM
Google Maps now shows I-69 running along US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, as well as sections of the new Union City bypass. Is any of this real, or is Google just doing some wishful thinking?

This is yet another example of Google being quite overzealous with showing future routes on their maps. See this thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2001.725) for many more examples.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on March 21, 2013, 12:05:10 AM
Google Maps now shows I-69 running along US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, as well as sections of the new Union City bypass. Is any of this real, or is Google just doing some wishful thinking?

This is yet another example of Google being quite overzealous with showing future routes on their maps. See this thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2001.725) for many more examples.

Speaking of, I sat next to my counterpart from the two westernmost Kentucky highway districts today, who had reported to Google the erroneous marking of I-69 on the Pennyrile Parkway and I-66 on the WK Parkway. He said he got a response from Google that said, in effect, we don't know what you're referring to.

When Google won't even respond in a positive manner to a transportation official reporting an error on their maps, it makes you wonder how important accuracy is to them.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 01, 2013, 02:25:17 PM
I recently received an email update from TDOT reflecting Commissioner Schroer's comments re SIU 7:
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The focus is to finish what has been started on SIU7.   It is not our intentions to build a road to nowhere so we are going to focus on finishing SIU 7.  This will give us a connection from the Kentucky State line to I-155 at Dyersburg.  We estimate that it could take about 10 years to accomplish this.
Google Maps now shows I-69 running along US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, as well as sections of the new Union City bypass. Is any of this real, or is Google just doing some wishful thinking?

I decided to ask TDOT if they had any plans to sign the US 51 freeway between I-155 and Troy as I-69 and suggested that it would be similar to I-69 signage in Mississippi, Kentucky and Texas (and that they could possibly receive some exceptions from current interstate standards).  To make a long story short, TDOT is going to content itself with "Future I-69 Corridor" signage until more work is completed:

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... we have received approval from the Federal Highway Administration to sign the existing corridors as future I-69.  We will review the need to sign a section as more work is completed and connectivity with other sections and facilities warrant signing.    Google made the decision to show I-69 on their maps without input from TDOT.

Are "Future I-69 Corridor" signs currently posted along the US 51 corridor?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on April 01, 2013, 08:22:25 PM
Are "Future I-69 Corridor" signs currently posted along the US 51 corridor?

Yes, and they have been since at least the summer of 2006.

(http://www.millenniumhwy.net/June_2006_Day_2/June_2006_Day_2-Images/45.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 16, 2013, 03:59:20 PM
^ Thanks for the photo.



A Union City Messenger reporter spoke with Schroer after the February 22 meeting (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=80845) and Schroer provided a little more detail about the respective timelines associated with the ten year program to complete I-69 to Troy:
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“We’re in the process of starting construction on the second of three phases (of I-69 around Union City). We should do that within the next year to 18 months...

TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/n8gsJyC.jpg)

edit

This article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=82930) provides some local details regarding the location of the project:

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... a critical 2.9-mile section of I-69 southwest of Union City has been included in Schroer’s three-year transportation plan .... In his transportation plan, the 2.9-mile segment from just south of West Main Street to Highway 51 South near the Hampton Inn will be completed [have construction begin?] in the 2014 fiscal year.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 29, 2013, 10:45:50 PM
The Memphis MPO recently approved its Priority List from its November 15 Agenda (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77)
(quote from Tennessee (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg188898#msg188898) thread, with the post containing an image of the Priority List) ....
the above November 15, 2012 Memphis MPO ranking does not include any I-69 projects
TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf)

The Memphis MPO has posted its 4-25-2013 TPB Meeting Minutes (http://memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/TPB%20Meeting%20Minutes%2004.25.2013.pdf) and the Minutes indicate that the MPO wants to investigate whether TDOT intends to apply for a 2013 TIGER grant for a rural section of I-69 (pp. 2-3, 5/5 of pdf):

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3) Memphis MPO Coordinator’s Report ....
e. 2013 TIGER Funding Notice
 Criteria and selection process is very similar to previous TIGER funding.
 Obligation deadline of June 2014 is a shorter timeline than before.
Mayor Mark Luttrell asked about the funding match for TIGER grants. Ms. Pragati Srivastava commented that more local or private match is generally better, and that a 50% match was common ....
Other Business ....
d. Mr. Rick McClanahan asked if TDOT had any proposed projects associated with the latest round of TIGER grant funding, including
the possibility of Austin Peay Highway, I-40/I-240 interchange, or I-69 in the rural areas. Mr. Carlos McCloud indicated that TDOT is currently developing a long range transportation plan and he would check if any of the projects were included.

Although I doubt TDOT will use a 2013 TIGER application for an Obion County section of I-69, the question indicates that I-69 may still be on the long-range radar of the Memphis MPO, and possibly be included on MPO Priority Lists in the relatively near future if some progress can be made on I-69 north of Memphis.

edit

Here is a link to USDOT's TIGER Grant page (http://www.dot.gov/tiger).

second edit

Since I made the above post, the Memphis MPO has updated its website. Above, I updated the link to the April 25 Minutes.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 01, 2013, 02:49:39 PM
This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) seems to bring some clarity to Schroer's remarks by reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher indicating that construction on the Union City and Memphis sections of I-69 will proceed, but the section between Troy and Memphis is being halted:
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Fincher stated, over the next three or four years, the lower part of the I-69 project will be completed around Union City, which will cost approximately $100 million. It will cost another $100 million to complete the I-69 project from Memphis to the Mississippi border.
The problem is between Troy and Memphis,” Fincher said. “All of that area, from what a commissioner told me, will be halted (due to insufficient funding).And to me, that’s a problem.
it's more the northern part of 8 that isn't really justified based on traffic now (and being stuck with a half-finished SIU 7 that they need to finish to justify the hardly-used stuff that's already built, which they started because it was all that had gotten environmental clearance when they had the money).  SIU 9 has fairly immediate need, and suburban growth is finally getting up towards Covington (hence the TN 14 widening parallel to US 51 to the east), justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.  And TDOT is probably going to be done with I-269 (except the stub to I-69 at Millington, which is pointless to build except as part of the I-69 contract) before MDOT meets up.
SIU 7 and SIU 9 are logical extensions of existing freeways to provide regional connectivity, as is the southern part of SIU 8.
(lordsutch quotes from Interstate 22 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg229568#msg229568) thread)

In reading the recent discussion about I-69 on the Interstate 22 thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg228640#msg228640), I started thinking about SIU 8 and whether Commissioner Schroer's announcement that work between Troy and Memphis will be halted due to a lack of funding may make the FHWA hesitant to issue a Record of Decision ("ROD") for SIU 8 (I think a necessary part of a FEIS and/or ROD is a proposed timetable for completion of the project based on realistic financial projections).  That would not necessarily be a bad thing, except for lordsutch's observation that the southern part of SIU 8 currently makes some sense, and I believe it would be nice to have a ROD when the time comes.

Related to lordsutch's observation, I am concerned about the southernmost section of SIU 8, from the I-269 interchange to the Tipton County line, and whether lack of progress on that section could also stall progress on SIU 9. The Memphis MPO's 2011-14 TIP (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/2011-14%20TIP%20Current%2005.21.13.pdf) included a provison for preliminary engineering work for I-269 from US 51 to the I-69/I-269 interchange, and then for I-69 to the Tipton County line (page 34/184 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/7GaTf47.png)

At the time of the 2011-14 TIP, it was anticipated that a ROD would be issued for SIU 8 by the end of 2011, and that preliminary engineering work could begin after the issuance of the ROD.  However, since a ROD still has not been issued, I am guessing that the work was never performed (just my guess). The project is not among the proposed list of projects for the 2014-17 TIP (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/2014-17-tip/2014-17-tip-project-list-modified-includes-funding.pdf). If the FHWA declines to issue a ROD for SIU 8, then working on SIU 9 may become less attractive to Memphis officials.

Also, as inclusion in the Memphis MPO TIP indicates, work on the I-69 section from the I-269 interchange to the Tipton County line appears to be in the "Memphis pot of money" and possibly not subject to Commissioner Schroer's pronouncement.  It will be interesting to see whether or not FHWA issues a ROD for SIU 8 in the near future.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 12, 2013, 06:57:34 PM
In reading the recent discussion about I-69 on the Interstate 22 thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg228640#msg228640), I started thinking about SIU 8 and whether Commissioner Schroer's announcement that work between Troy and Memphis will be halted due to a lack of funding may make the FHWA hesitant to issue a Record of Decision ("ROD") for SIU 8

Slow progress is being made on the SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement ("FEIS").  A recent email from TDOT indicates that the consultant has submitted a copy to TDOT for their review and that it may be available for public comment in early 2014:

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The FEIS is not ready for distribution.   The environmental consultant working on the document has submitted a copy to TDOT to review for approval.  TDOT’s review will take about 30 days.  If there are any corrections then it will be returned to the consultant to correct and return to TDOT within 25-30 days.   If there are no corrections then a copy will be forward to FHWA for review.  The FEIS could be ready for the public to review by the first quarter of 2014.

I assume that the FHWA FEIS review would raise any red flags that would prevent the issuance of a ROD.   
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on October 28, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf)
Slow progress is being made on the SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement ("FEIS").  A recent email from TDOT indicates that the consultant has submitted a copy to TDOT for their review and that it may be available for public comment in early 2014

I emailed TDOT and asked for updates on the anticipated letting date for the Obion County project and on the SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement process.  The response:

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At this time TDOT and FHWA are in the process of reviewing the final Environmental Impact Statement.  I know that both agencies have submitted comments on the document to the consultant to provide additional information. The current anticipated letting date for the SIU  7 project is summer of 2014.

Rollin' down the glacier........ 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on December 12, 2013, 12:32:13 PM
This article (http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=70661) indicates that Phase 1 construction of Section 4 of SIU 7 near Union City is "nearing completion", but there is no money to proceed with Phase 2 construction:
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However, until federal funding is allocated for the project, the interstate will remain covered with what Harrison called “incidental asphalt.” The final layer of gravel and asphalt paving will have to wait until funding is approved and contracts are signed for the work.
This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1944253.html)
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"We are committed to getting this section done," said Schroer, who estimates it will take four years to complete the second and third segments of the highway through Union City and a little longer to complete the paving.

I recently noticed that Google Maps has April 2012 imagery that shows significant progress on bridges and ramps.  Here is a view from the Brevard Road overpass (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Union+City,+TN&hl=en&ll=36.448946,-89.072169&spn=0.000701,0.001206&sll=32.678125,-83.178297&sspn=6.009291,9.876709&oq=union+city+tn&t=h&hnear=Union+City,+Obion,+Tennessee&z=20&layer=c&cbll=36.448946,-89.072169&panoid=atnDHRza-Qx-6oGNgZE2uA&cbp=12,4.33,,1,3.8).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 29, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
What I am curious about is how the TN section of I-69 will tie into the Purchase Pkwy with the complication of having the existing interchange with US 45E.
KYTC has posted the 2014 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2014-Highway-Plan.aspx). The Project Listing (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2014RecommendedProjectListing.pdf) page includes "reconstruct and improve" I-69 from the KY/TN state line to milepost 1.66, with preliminary work scheduled to begin 2014 (page 43/139 of pdf)
(bottom quote from I-69 in KY (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3518.msg273651#msg273651) thread)

After seeing the state line work included in Kentucky's Recommended Plan, I emailed TDOT and asked for an update of the situation on their side of the state line.

My question:

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I recently noticed that KYTC has included an I-69 TN/KY state line project in its 2014 Recommended Highway Plan (page 43):
http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2014RecommendedProjectListing.pdf
With the above project in mind, I assume that TDOT has committed to remaining on the US 51 corridor in that area and upgrading the current interchange in that area.  Is that a safe assumption? If so, has TDOT finalized plans on how to upgrade the US 45E interchange to meet current interstate standards?
My understanding is that Commissioner Schroer has committed to completing I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.
 
The response:

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I want to thank you for contacting our office about the I-69 project in Obion County.  You ask about the corridor for the section of I-68 [sic] from Union City to the Kentucky line.  This section will follow existing US 51 to the Kentucky Purchase Parkway.  Kentucky is currently work [sic] TDOT on the completion of the environmental reevaluation at the Kentucky line.   The Final Environmental Impact Statement did not identify the connector to the Purchase Parkway so the document has to be reevaluated to include the connector to the Purchase Parkway. 
TDOT has not started developing plans on the upgrade to US 45 E  or US 51.

You are correct that Commissioner Schroer has committed to completing I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.

At least they are doing some preliminary environmental work on the connection.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on January 30, 2014, 04:59:36 AM
That interchange is a little nastier than most of the others, between the combined high school & middle school sitting right by it and the TN 214 interchange immediately to the west. Probably the best you can do at a reasonable price is build a better, 2-lane southbound ramp and a two-lane flyover northbound and divert TN 214 onto a new connector road over to US 45E, removing the existing partial interchange for TN 214.

You probably also need to close or move exit 0 on the Purchase; probably the best solution is a split diamond with frontage roads between KY 166 and US 51, which would also help access to the Walmart on KY 166.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 04, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
I emailed TDOT and asked for an update of the situation on their side of the state line.
The response:
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I want to thank you for contacting our office about the I-69 project in Obion County ... You are correct that Commissioner Schroer has committed to completing I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.

This TV video report (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/Tennessee-town-hoping-new-interstate-will-bring-new-business-243430981.html) has some footage of the work in Obion County and confirms the current ten-year timetable;

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People in Union City, Tennessee are hoping that I-69 provides an economic shot in the arm. The superhighway connecting the Canadian border to the Mexican border that will run right through Northwest Tennessee ....
The Tennessee Department of Transportation estimates it could be ten years before the highway is completed because the road isn't being built all at once.
"We try to do it in phases. It's a little more affordable when we do it in phases," TDOT spokesperson Nichole Lawrence said. TDOT also said that the state has spent about 68-million on the Obion County part of I-69 so far.



TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf)

The video also reports that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project will be let in May, 2014.



If you've ever been to Union City, the first question that would come to your mind is, "What on earth is there to see from an observation tower?"
(above quote from Memphis and Saint Louis after a bad New Madrid earthquake (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6535.msg204798#msg204798) thread)

Apparently, the observation tower at Discovery Park of America provides a great view of the I-69 roadwork.  :D
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 11, 2014, 02:07:06 PM
SIU 7 and SIU 9 are logical extensions of existing freeways to provide regional connectivity, as is the southern part of SIU 8.
(lordsutch quote from Interstate 22 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg229762#msg229762) thread)
In reading the recent discussion about I-69 on the Interstate 22 thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg228640#msg228640), I started thinking about SIU 8 and whether Commissioner Schroer's announcement that work between Troy and Memphis will be halted due to a lack of funding may make the FHWA hesitant to issue a Record of Decision ("ROD") for SIU 8 (I think a necessary part of a FEIS and/or ROD is a proposed timetable for completion of the project based on realistic financial projections).  That would not necessarily be a bad thing, except for lordsutch's observation that the southern part of SIU 8 currently makes some sense, and I believe it would be nice to have a ROD when the time comes.
Related to lordsutch's observation, I am concerned about the southernmost section of SIU 8, from the I-269 interchange to the Tipton County line, and whether lack of progress on that section could also stall progress on SIU 9 ....
as inclusion in the Memphis MPO TIP indicates, work on the I-69 section from the I-269 interchange to the Tipton County line appears to be in the "Memphis pot of money" and possibly not subject to Commissioner Schroer's pronouncement.

I am a little skeptical about the accuracy of the reporting, but this article (http://wreg.com/2014/02/10/tdot-could-lose-900-million-in-funding/) reports that TDOT is submitting alternative budgets to the state legislature because of the possibility of a loss of federal funding; the budget assuming the presence of federal money reportedly includes I-69 projects in northern Shelby County:

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The Tennessee Department of Transportation’s budget could be short $900 million due to a funding shortage on the federal level ....
As congress scrambles to come up with the money TDOT is presenting two budgets to the state.
One project includes
construction like 240 and Airways, the I-69 projects in northern Shelby County, and another budget that basically puts the breaks on road construction because of funding.



I emailed TDOT and asked for updates on ... the SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement process.  The response:
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At this time TDOT and FHWA are in the process of reviewing the final Environmental Impact Statement.  I know that both agencies have submitted comments on the document to the consultant to provide additional information.

With the reported northern Shelby County I-69 budget in mind, it would be nice if the SIU 8 FEIS will be made available for public comment in the near future.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Chris on February 11, 2014, 03:33:18 PM
I recently noticed that Google Maps has April 2012 imagery that shows significant progress on bridges and ramps.  Here is a view from the Brevard Road overpass (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Union+City,+TN&hl=en&ll=36.448946,-89.072169&spn=0.000701,0.001206&sll=32.678125,-83.178297&sspn=6.009291,9.876709&oq=union+city+tn&t=h&hnear=Union+City,+Obion,+Tennessee&z=20&layer=c&cbll=36.448946,-89.072169&panoid=atnDHRza-Qx-6oGNgZE2uA&cbp=12,4.33,,1,3.8).

Google Earth has November 2013 imagery of Union City. It basically shows the new alignment in the same condition (no asphalt yet). It also shows this new freeway alignment won't improve travel much until it is extended on either side. (in fact, the northern end is in a field).

(http://i.imgur.com/QAEbOF1.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 21, 2014, 09:44:49 PM
I emailed TDOT and asked for updates on ... the SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement process.  The response:
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At this time TDOT and FHWA are in the process of reviewing the final Environmental Impact Statement.  I know that both agencies have submitted comments on the document to the consultant to provide additional information.

Here is an email update from TDOT regarding the SIU 8 FEIS:

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The document will be ready for public viewing in the winter of 2014-15.  It will be published in the Federal Register and the public may comment.  The public will have at least 30 days to comment.  The Record of Decision can’t be signed until the Notice of Availability for the FEIS has been published and 30 days has passed.  Comments on the FEIS are addressed in the Record of Decision. 
The current budget does not include any money for I 69 SIU 8 and 9.  We are still waiting on a funding source.   The budget does include money to finish a portion of I-69 in Obion County where the right-of-way has been purchased.

I suppose they are waiting for a funding source to appear in order to plausibly represent a funding stream for SIU 8 that would justify the issuance a Record of Decision.



recent Comments (http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketBrowser;rpp=25;po=0;dct=PS;D=FHWA-2013-0050;refD=FHWA-2013-0050-0001) to the Draft Highway Primary Freight Network Plan (http://www.ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/infrastructure/pfn/index.htm)
(above quote from I-69 in TX (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg278379#msg278379) thread)

In its Comments Letter (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FHWA-2013-0050-0112), the Memphis MPO writes the following:

(http://i.imgur.com/9etxIba.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/cIOdCd3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Lf45etD.jpg)

Accompanying the Comments Letter is a Comments Map (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FHWA-2013-0050-0112):

(http://i.imgur.com/16ALcq1.jpg)

I find it interesting that they included the future, currently unfunded, new terrain I-69 SIU 9 as comprising part of I-269's freight connectivity.  On the other hand, none of SIU 8 (including the little "thumb" within the Memphis MPO boundary) appears on the map as being part of I-269's freight connectivity.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: andy3175 on February 23, 2014, 12:30:48 AM
Has there been any discussion or concurrence on whether I-240 will be retained as a designation along the north-south segment of I-69? I have wondered if an I-69/240 shared alignment makes sense or not. It might be worthwhile to call that segment of freeway I-69 alone, and leave I-240 on the southeastern quadrant of  the Memphis inner belt route (between I-55/69 and I-40 east). Obviously such a decision would become more important once Tennessee decides to sign its portion of I-69 that has been formally accepted/approved.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on February 23, 2014, 06:39:34 AM
It would seem they could go ahead and designate I-69 over I-240 to its junction with I-40.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 18, 2014, 01:25:04 PM
Has there been any discussion or concurrence on whether I-240 will be retained as a designation along the north-south segment of I-69? I have wondered if an I-69/240 shared alignment makes sense or not. It might be worthwhile to call that segment of freeway I-69 alone, and leave I-240 on the southeastern quadrant of  the Memphis inner belt route (between I-55/69 and I-40 east). Obviously such a decision would become more important once Tennessee decides to sign its portion of I-69 that has been formally accepted/approved.
It would seem they could go ahead and designate I-69 over I-240 to its junction with I-40.

I recently had a Q & A with the Memphis MPO:

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Q: In the PFN Comment, a request is also made to include I-69/I-240 in the PFN.  Since I-69 is expressly referenced in the Comment, does the Memphis MPO have any plans to request that TDOT install I-69 signage along I-69/I-55, I-69/I-240, and I-69/I-40?  Related to this question, wouldn't it make sense to drop I-240 from the I-69/I-240 designation?

A: In regards to your question regarding signage, it does not seem appropriate to us to replace all signage until I-69 provides a completed connection to other regions. Ultimately, this decision lies with TDOT as they are the project manager for those roads. Also, regardless of the status of I-69/I-269, the north/south portion of I-40/I-240 that runs through downtown Memphis will still serve as part of that highway and thus would not benefit the wayfinding of drivers by dropping I-240 from the signage.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mwb1848 on March 19, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
Has there been any discussion or concurrence on whether I-240 will be retained as a designation along the north-south segment of I-69? I have wondered if an I-69/240 shared alignment makes sense or not. It might be worthwhile to call that segment of freeway I-69 alone, and leave I-240 on the southeastern quadrant of  the Memphis inner belt route (between I-55/69 and I-40 east). Obviously such a decision would become more important once Tennessee decides to sign its portion of I-69 that has been formally accepted/approved.
It would seem they could go ahead and designate I-69 over I-240 to its junction with I-40.

I recently had a Q & A with the Memphis MPO:

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Q: In the PFN Comment, a request is also made to include I-69/I-240 in the PFN.  Since I-69 is expressly referenced in the Comment, does the Memphis MPO have any plans to request that TDOT install I-69 signage along I-69/I-55, I-69/I-240, and I-69/I-40?  Related to this question, wouldn't it make sense to drop I-240 from the I-69/I-240 designation?

A: In regards to your question regarding signage, it does not seem appropriate to us to replace all signage until I-69 provides a completed connection to other regions. Ultimately, this decision lies with TDOT as they are the project manager for those roads. Also, regardless of the status of I-69/I-269, the north/south portion of I-40/I-240 that runs through downtown Memphis will still serve as part of that highway and thus would not benefit the wayfinding of drivers by dropping I-240 from the signage.

Nothing about the numbering or signing of Interstates in the Memphis area seems designed to "benefit the wayfinding of drivers".

These are the people that have signs on NB I-55 at I-240 telling Little Rock traffic to go one way and St Louis traffic to go another only to be re-joined on the other side of the Mississippi River.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.072348,-90.025701,3a,90y,1.89h,98.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYgo2LYRSQubHfjLOrUiTeA!2e0

An I-240/I-69 joint designation through Downtown would be incredibly redundant.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: NE2 on March 19, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
These are the people that have signs on NB I-55 at I-240 telling Little Rock traffic to go one way and St Louis traffic to go another only to be re-joined on the other side of the Mississippi River.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.072348,-90.025701,3a,90y,1.89h,98.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYgo2LYRSQubHfjLOrUiTeA!2e0
I can think of several benefits to this (distributing long-distance traffic more equally, avoiding weaving in Arkansas) but chances are they just used the control cities for I-40 and I-55 without thinking.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mwb1848 on March 19, 2014, 11:07:35 AM
Perhaps I'm just feeling uncharitable toward TDOT.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 04, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
This TV video report (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/Tennessee-town-hoping-new-interstate-will-bring-new-business-243430981.html) ....
TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf)
The video also reports that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project will be let in May, 2014.

TDOT has posted its proposed 2015-17 Three Year Program (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/news/2014/ThreeYearProgram2015-2017.pdf) and the Region 4 Project Highlights Sheet (https://news.tn.gov/sites/default/files/4-3-14%20Regional%20Fact%20Sheets_0.pdf) describes a 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 budgeted for FY 2017 construction (page 4/4 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/i46q5fn.png)

Assuming the 2.9 mile project scheduled for May 2014 is let, a FY 2017 letting for the 4.9 mile segment of the Union City US 51 to US 51 "loop" should mean that construction will have started on the entire "loop" in 2017.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 26, 2014, 05:04:53 PM
This TV video report (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/Tennessee-town-hoping-new-interstate-will-bring-new-business-243430981.html) ....
TDOT released its FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) today and it includes 2.9 miles of FY 2014 construction on I-69 in Obion County from south of US 51 to south of TN 5 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i69/documents/i69.pdf)
The video also reports that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project will be let in May, 2014.
TDOT has posted its proposed 2015-17 Three Year Program (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/news/2014/ThreeYearProgram2015-2017.pdf) and the Region 4 Project Highlights Sheet (https://news.tn.gov/sites/default/files/4-3-14%20Regional%20Fact%20Sheets_0.pdf) describes a 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 budgeted for FY 2017 construction (page 4/4 of pdf)

The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not among the projects listed for the May 23 letting:

http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/letting_052314.htm

I'm a little surprised that the 2.9 mile project is not included in the May 23 letting because I had been really surprised that the 4.9 mile project had been included in the recent "worst-case funding/focus on maintenance" Three Year Plan.  Oh well, what's a few more months in the grand scheme of things?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 23, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
There is little love for this interstate in Nashville over at the Capitol.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 14, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not among the projects listed for the May 23 letting:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/letting_052314.htm
There is little love for this interstate in Nashville over at the Capitol.

The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project was also not among the projects for the July 11 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notJuly11.pdf) and this article (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/07/14/tennessee-road-projects-face-delay-funds-cut/12648975/) reports that the project may be pushed back to FY 2015 unless Congress replenishes the Highway Trust Fund:

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The future of 13 Tennessee road-widening projects totaling more than $200 million hangs in the balance as federal funds for the nation's highways could wither in August.
Unless Congress intervenes with a federal allocation to refresh the Highway Trust Fund, federal transportation leaders will start cutting money sent to state agencies by Aug. 1, triggering cutbacks in states' road projects.
In Tennessee, TDOT Commissioner John Schroer has set a list of 13 road projects the agency originally planned to launch in fiscal year 2014 but is now pushing back to 2015 because of the highway funding crisis ....
Other projects facing delay include the $66.4 million construction on Interstate 69 in Obion County ...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 15, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
this article (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/07/14/tennessee-road-projects-face-delay-funds-cut/12648975/):
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Other projects facing delay include the $66.4 million construction on Interstate 69 in Obion County ...

I recently asked TDOT about the approximate $22 million per mile estimated cost for the project and the response is as follows:

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The project that was listed in this story was Obion County I-69 From South of SR 3 (US 51) to South of SR 5, approximately 2.9 miles in length ....
we are doing a grade and drain project first;  then coming back later with a paving project (except for the county roads and we will be doing the paving those connections).  Yes-- there are several large structures and retaining walls that will substantially increase the cost for this project.  Normally I give an “estimate” of approximately 10M a mile for an interstate type facility.  But interchanges and structures always increase the costs.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on July 18, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/local-news/delayed-welcome-i55-visitors-center-in-memphis-still-missing_06595274) reports that a revised Welcome Center along northbound I-55/(currently unsigned) I-69 in Memphis (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitehaven,+Memphis,+TN/@35.0412105,-90.0050227,851m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d5634afb98f3db:0x9e1c9424014bf780) is about to go to bid again:

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Northbound interstate travelers through Memphis have a little tougher time than other motorists finding a restroom after crossing into Tennessee, learning about local attractions or asking questions of locals.
Tennessee’s I-55 Welcome Center in Whitehaven, demolished several years ago, has yet to be replaced. The 14 acres sit empty except for artist’s Tom Wuchina’s Pyradoptics, a sculpture of 100 posts that seem to change colors for those in passing vehicles.
The Tennessee Department of Transportation unveiled plans in 2010 to replace the aging welcome center there with a facility that would generate as much or more energy than it consumed.
The building would be the first owned by the state to be a “net-zero energy’’ facility.

The budget is $3.75 million total, including $1.8 million for the building. But last summer the low bid for the new structure came in at $3.4 million. The state asked architects to redesign the structure with intentions of seeking a new round of bids.
Construction documents are with the state fire marshal’s office awaiting approval, TDOT spokesman Nichole Lawrence said. Once the fire marshal signs off, the project will go to bid again.
“The revised design is more efficient by consolidating some building spaces, while preserving all of the restroom and tourism capacity anticipated with the completion of the I-69 corridor,”
said David Roberson, spokesman for the Tennessee Department of General Services.
The state still intends for the new welcome center to be the first net-zero energy building Tennessee owns. Solar panels will be installed on the roof.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 06, 2014, 12:27:23 PM
The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project was also not among the projects for the July 11 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notJuly11.pdf) and this article (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/07/14/tennessee-road-projects-face-delay-funds-cut/12648975/) reports that the project may be pushed back to FY 2015 unless Congress replenishes the Highway Trust Fund

Since Congress provided a Highway Trust Fund "patch" until May, 2015, I emailed TDOT to ask about the anticipated letting date for this project and they responded that it is currently on track to be let in the December 5 letting.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 17, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Due to uncertainties associated with federal funding, TDOT Commissioner Schroer has delayed several projects, including construction of the I-55/Crump Boulevard interchange and ROW acquisition on the Lamar Corridor.  Here is a list of the projects delayed from FY 2015 to FY 2106 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/funding/Statusof13ShiftedProjects-10-30-14.pdf) and a letter from Schroer to the Tennessee General Assembly (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/funding/HwyTrustFundandDelayedProjectsLetterOct%2024-2014.pdf) explaining his decision.
It looks like projects in Tennessee will continue to be delayed until the U.S. Congress enacts the next multi-year reauthorization.
(above quote from Tennessee (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg2018016#msg2018016) thread)
The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project was also not among the projects for the July 11 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notJuly11.pdf) and this article (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/07/14/tennessee-road-projects-face-delay-funds-cut/12648975/) reports that the project may be pushed back to FY 2015 unless Congress replenishes the Highway Trust Fund
Since Congress provided a Highway Trust Fund "patch" until May, 2015, I emailed TDOT to ask about the anticipated letting date for this project and they responded that it is currently on track to be let in the December 5 letting.

After noticing that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not included in the December 5 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notDec5.pdf), I emailed TDOT to find out the new projected letting date, which is August, 2015:

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... this project has now been placed in the August 2015 Letting. As I have stated before, that is dependent on the availability of funding.

I get the distinct impression that TDOT will continue to push back work on I-69 in Obion County until a new multi-year reauthorization is enacted.  After the mid-term elections, I had read some articles indicating that it would be realistic to hope that the two parties could agree on a new reauthorization in order to show the country that they can accomplish something.  However, this November 10 Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/can-a-new-congress-bail-out-transportation-in-5-months/2014/11/10/2cb84e60-6832-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html) provides a gloomier assessment that a new reauthorization bill may not occur until after the next President is sworn in in 2017:

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While transportation committees in the House and the Senate may now work with greater harmony to craft a transportation policy bill, it will fall to the finance committees to come up with the money.
“I don’t know if the election has changed things that dramatically on the funding side, the revenue side,” said Jim Tymon of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO). “I don’t think it provided a clear path forward, either.”
Tymon, until recently the staff director for the House transportation committee, played an integral role in drafting the past three transportation bills.
Given that a new Congress takes time to get organized, Tymon says that unless House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and incoming Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) agree to make a transportation bill a top priority, “it’s going to be tough for them to meet this end-of-May deadline.”
“If they were just dealing with policy, this is definitely an area where Congress and the administration could cut a deal in the first five months of the year,” Tymon said. “But the $100 billion question is, how do they pay for it?” ....
A longtime observer of the process predicted that the most likely outcome when the May deadline rolls around is another extension with a patchwork of additional funding sources, something less than the six-year bill state officials say is vital if they are to make decisions about multi-year projects.

“Either you’re doing a short-term extension through the end of the [2015] fiscal year or through the end of the calendar year,” said the observer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is involved in the discussions, “or Congress just says, ‘We can find two years of money for you; we’re going to a more streamlined authorization bill that extends the programs for two years with minimal policy changes. We’ll see you back here in 2017.’­ ”

The possible delay on a multi-year reauthorization probably means no progress on I-69 In Obion County for a long time.

edit

Here is an email update from TDOT regarding the SIU 8 FEIS:
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The document will be ready for public viewing in the winter of 2014-15 ... The current budget does not include any money for I 69 SIU 8 and 9.  We are still waiting on a funding source.   The budget does include money to finish a portion of I-69 in Obion County where the right-of-way has been purchased.
I suppose they are waiting for a funding source to appear in order to plausibly represent a funding stream for SIU 8 that would justify the issuance a Record of Decision.

I also suspect that a SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement will not be issued until a new multi-year reauthorization is passed.  If so, and if time marches on, will the current Draft Environmental Impact Statement have to be scrapped and the environmental process have to be restarted?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on December 29, 2014, 03:02:53 PM
I imagine the most expensive part of the Dyersburg to Fulton segment will be reworking the interchange with US 45E at South Fulton, KY.
Only thing I've ever noticed that is not up to Interstate standards, besides the interchange, is the U-turn required for northbound US 51/45W traffic to access Ken-Tenn Road, TN Secondary (mumble) and the obvious old routing of US 51/45W.
A flyover northbound and some widening on the southbound ramp ought to knock out the problems at the state line interchange.

This article (http://www.reporter-times.com/slow-ride-to-mexico-states-face-obstacles-in-effort-to/article_96738df2-e99f-5a10-b45a-13288aac9755.html) examines the progress (or lack thereof) being made on I-69 in six different states.  In regard to Tennessee, the article quotes Steve Chipman, TDOT's I-69 Project Manager, as saying that TDOT is actively working on the plans for the tie-in to the Purchase Parkway, and it also includes Chipman's assessment of the impact of lack of progress on SIU 8:

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Tennessee is in a holding pattern when it comes to I-69. The state has made some progress near its borders with Kentucky and Mississippi, but the middle section is a long way from being complete ....
Nichole Lawrence, spokeswoman for the Tennessee Department of Transportation ....
estimates completing I-69 in Tennessee will cost about $2 billion. She said the state's transportation department operates on an annual budget of about $980 million.
Despite the gap in the middle of the state, progress has been made at either end. The entire I-69 route from Canada to Mexico is broken up into sections of independent utility, which are referred to as SIUs. Tennessee has acquired all the right of way needed for SIU 7, which stretches from the Kentucky border to Dyersburg. The state is working on plans to tie into Kentucky's Purchase Parkway, said Steve Chipman, I-69 project manager in Tennessee.
SIU 8, stretching from Dyersburg to Millington
, has been broken up into 13 smaller projects. Some of those have been completed, but others have been postponed due to a lack of funding, Chipman said.
Dyersburg to Millington is new construction, and there has been some resistance from people along that route, but most of the criticism relates to time, Chipman said.
"Overall, the resistance is to how long it will take," he said. "It takes a long time."
Part of that impatience comes from the benefits expected from the interstate's construction. For example, Lauderdale County is between two areas that are growing, Chipman said. In this rural area, hospitals have closed and potential new businesses have passed it over because it lacks interstate access, he said.

The areas around Memphis, to the south, however, are dealing with the opposite problem. The areas around the city are growing, and it's also a major freight route, which creates a lot of traffic ....
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 19, 2015, 03:12:35 PM
materials from a January 14, 2015 I-69 Texas Status Update Briefing (http://i69texasalliance.com/resource.html). .... One of the materials from the January 14 presentation is a Status of National I-69 System map (http://i69texasalliance.com/ResourcesPDFs/I69.National_Status_Map.July2014.pdf)
(above quote from I-69 in TX (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg2035563#msg2035563) thread)

In regard to I-69 in Tennessee, the National I-69 System map includes TN 385 and US 51 from Dyersburg to just south of Union City as part of the "Existing I-69 system":

(http://i.imgur.com/1kZeUJD.png)

and includes a graph showing that 62 of Tennessee's 171 miles of I-69 are open to traffic:

(http://i.imgur.com/f3u9jDe.png)

I believe that the TN 385 and US 51 sections included in the map as part of the I-69 system are interstate-grade construction, but I am unaware of FHWA having designated those sections as I-69 (US 51) and/or I-269 (TN 385).  Are these sections part of the "unsigned I-69" in Tennessee?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 06:37:26 AM
They are unsigned, but have future I-69 or I-269 signs up. Ditto for I-69 through midtown Memphis. I am not sure when TDOT will post legit I-69 or I-269 shields. Maybe they will once I-269 opens to MS 302 later this year.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on January 20, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
They are unsigned, but have future I-69 or I-269 signs up. Ditto for I-69 through midtown Memphis. I am not sure when TDOT will post legit I-69 or I-269 shields. Maybe they will once I-269 opens to MS 302 later this year.

Technically they're Future I-69 (or I-269) Corridor signs, not NC-style "Future I-73/74" shields.

As of two weeks ago there's not any paving done at all on the ramps at future I-269 and US 72, just grading, and the overpasses are still incomplete, so if TDOT is opening that segment sometime this year they're going to have to get the lead out.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 23, 2015, 12:38:18 PM
After noticing that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not included in the December 5 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notDec5.pdf), I emailed TDOT to find out the new projected letting date, which is August, 2015:
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... this project has now been placed in the August 2015 Letting. As I have stated before, that is dependent on the availability of funding.
I get the distinct impression that TDOT will continue to push back work on I-69 in Obion County until a new multi-year reauthorization is enacted

AASHTO has posted "Nation at a Crossroads" (https://invest.transportation.org/), an infographic that makes the case for Congress to get its act together and pass a long-term highway reauthorization bill that will allow state DOTs to plan and build new major highway projects.  New terrain construction for I-69 SIU 7 (I-155 to KY state line) is included as one of Tennessee's five "critical projects" that could be addressed with a reauthorization:

(http://i.imgur.com/pY1NE26.png)

I also assume that passage of a long-term reauthorization would increase the chances of TDOT at least pursuing a Record of Decision for I-69 SIU 8 (Millington to I-155).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on March 25, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
Some of those "critical ptojects" seem to be nothing more than widening arterial roads that would benefit local motorists only.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: NE2 on March 25, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
I can't make that site work in Firefox or IE.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 10, 2015, 10:06:16 AM
After seeing the state line work included in Kentucky's Recommended Plan, I emailed TDOT and asked for an update of the situation on their side of the state line ....
The response:
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.... You are correct that Commissioner Schroer has committed to completing I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.
TDOT has posted its proposed 2015-17 Three Year Program (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/news/2014/ThreeYearProgram2015-2017.pdf) and the Region 4 Project Highlights Sheet (https://news.tn.gov/sites/default/files/4-3-14%20Regional%20Fact%20Sheets_0.pdf) describes a 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 budgeted for FY 2017 construction (page 4/4 of pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/i46q5fn.png)

TDOT has posted its Fiscal Years 2016 - 2018 Proposed Comprehensive Multimodal Program (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/ThreeYearProgram-TDOT-2016-2018.pdf) and construction for the 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 has been pushed back to FY 2018:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZyelE88.png)

It sure would be nice to have a long-term reauthorization to help TDOT fulfill Commissioner Schroer's commitment to finish I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 25, 2015, 09:42:20 PM
This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) seems to bring some clarity to Schroer's remarks by reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher indicating that construction on the Union City and Memphis sections of I-69 will proceed, but the section between Troy and Memphis is being halted:
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“Memphis is where everything is coming together. You’ve got the rail, the air, the water and the roads. The problem is the bridge that’s going to be built over the Mississippi River. That’s a funding problem. They’re talking about a toll. They’re talking about a lot of things. We are all for I-69. We’re working every day to secure more funding.” ....
Fincher stated ... It will cost another $100 million to complete the I-69 project from Memphis to the Mississippi border.

This April 24, 2015 article (http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2015/04/24/congressman-cohen-introduces-two-aerotropolis.html) reports that U.S. Congressman Steve Cohen has introduced two aerotropolis-related bills that, if passed, could provide quasi-dedicated funding for both I-69 (presumably the $100 million Memphis section) and the Southern Gateway [Third] bridge (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3523.msg86336#msg86336):

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Thursday, U.S. Congressman Steve Cohen introduced two bills that aim at boosting the development of aerotropolis transportation systems in Memphis and throughout the country.
Aerotropolis refers to the perspective of urban development focused on promoting diverse development surrounding airports ....
Cohen’s Aerotropolis Act of 2015 and the Leading and Expediting Aerotropolis Development (LEAD) Act of 2015 work to speed the development of aerotropolis projects to help enhance economic competitiveness and spur job growth in cities like Memphis.
“The Memphis Aerotropolis is both a transportation network and an economic development engine for the Mid-South,” Cohen said. “With the need to ship and receive goods quickly and efficiently growing by the day, establishing aerotropolis transportation systems in Memphis and across the country will kick-start economic growth, create jobs, improve our freight transportation network and enable us to compete more effectively in the modern global economy.”
Cohen’s Aerotropolis Act of 2015 would amend the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Act: A Legacy for Users (SAFETEA–LU) to clarify that aerotropolis-related projects are eligible to receive funds under the Projects of National and Regional Significance Program.
The program funds projects with significant national economic benefits that cannot be funded through traditional funding mechanisms. The development of many aerotropolis transportation systems throughout the country is slowed because of a lack of funding for pre-construction activities, Cohen said.
The Leading and Expediting Aerotropolis Development (LEAD) Act of 2015 would establish a grant program to provide funding assistance to local entities for the planning, design, environmental review, and land acquisition for aerotropolis transportation system projects.
By providing a small influx of money in the pre-construction phase, the bill would help localities dramatically expedite project delivery, enhance U.S. competitiveness, and create jobs, Cohen said.
Both measures have the potential to help fund the Third Bridge, I-69 and I-22/78 Corridor projects.

Above said, I suspect that, of the three above-listed projects, the Lamar [I-22/78] Corridor (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15376.msg2064442#msg2064442) would be first in line for any funding resulting from the two bills; however, the $100 million price tag for I-69 is relatively cheap compared to the price tags for the other two projects (although simply advancing the environmental process for the Southern Gateway should not be terribly expensive).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Wayward Memphian on May 28, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
Memphis needed the southern gateway bridge 20 years ago and a northern gateway bridge that ties I-555/I-55 and TN 385/I-69 together.  Oh well, one can dream
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on May 28, 2015, 07:16:54 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if when the Memphis & Arkansas is closed for the Crump interchange rebuild that TDOT and AHTD "discover" that it's cheaper to rebuild it than repair it. We already know it can't be retrofitted; they pretty much expect it to fall in the river whenever New Madrid decides to finally go off, along with the other bridges next to it.

An earthquake-proofed Southern Gateway would be nice but until M&A falls into the river I'm not sure anyone will make it a real priority. I don't think a northern crossing is needed as well, though; unlike St Louis the metro area just doesn't generate enough traffic to justify a crossing up there too.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 29, 2015, 05:00:09 PM
Personally, once the Union City bypass connects with the Purchase Parkway, they should slap on Interstate 69 shields from Interstate 155's terminus to Interstate 24. It probably won't happen that fast, and it will need approval. But in a perfect world, that's what I think should happen.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on May 30, 2015, 07:44:52 AM
That would still require a freeway-grade connection at the south end of the Purchase Pkwy.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: thefro on May 31, 2015, 08:14:09 AM
Personally, once the Union City bypass connects with the Purchase Parkway, they should slap on Interstate 69 shields from Interstate 155's terminus to Interstate 24. It probably won't happen that fast, and it will need approval. But in a perfect world, that's what I think should happen.

Kentucky's going to have the Purchase Parkway signed as I-69 well before TN completes the Union City bypass, and probably all the work done there as well.

There was one report a month ago that we would see I-69 signs on the Purchase Parkway later this year (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/28792197/purchase-parkway-transitioning-to-i-69).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Wayward Memphian on May 31, 2015, 07:50:24 PM
That would still require a freeway-grade connection at the south end of the Purchase Pkwy.

Explain I-49 in Northwest Arkansas, as there's a section that's not freeway to the Missouri line.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on May 31, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
Note that in NW Ark they're not signing I-49 through Bella Vista; the designation just ends with the freeway.

Given the short substandard section in question, FHWA might let them get away with I-69 signing on an interim basis if the median crossings are closed (particularly the one on the west leg of the interchange), but I think they'd want to see plans at least for I-69 to become the mainline route.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on June 10, 2015, 10:27:48 AM
After noticing that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not included in the December 5 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notDec5.pdf), I emailed TDOT to find out the new projected letting date, which is August, 2015:
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... this project has now been placed in the August 2015 Letting. As I have stated before, that is dependent on the availability of funding.
It sure would be nice to have a long-term reauthorization to help TDOT fulfill Commissioner Schroer's commitment to finish I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.

In a mild surprise since Congress only approved a two-month funding patch through July 31 instead of a long-term reauthorization, TDOT has announced (http://wkms.org/post/tdot-makes-progress-i-69-future-funding-uncertain) that it will have a letting for the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project this year:

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The Tennessee Department of Transportation says they will have a contract letting for construction on a portion of I-69 in northwest Tennessee will begin this year.
T-DOT Spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said funding is secured for grade and drainage construction along a section of the planned route between US-51 and State Route 5 near Union City. But she said TDOT can’t make plans for the other sections since money from the Federal Highway Trust Fund is only secured through July.

Maybe they will get I-69 SIU 7 done within ten years .......
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on June 10, 2015, 09:15:27 PM
An excuse to go up the elevator at Discovery Park again in a couple of years for more photos...

Shame it *still* won't be a useful bypass of the Union City commercial strip until they build the eastward extension to the existing freeway, section 5 (and pave the other sections of course). Still not sure what TDOT was thinking when they avoided using the north side of the existing bypass.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on June 11, 2015, 08:06:24 AM
An excuse to go up the elevator at Discovery Park again in a couple of years for more photos...

Shame it *still* won't be a useful bypass of the Union City commercial strip until they build the eastward extension to the existing freeway, section 5 (and pave the other sections of course). Still not sure what TDOT was thinking when they avoided using the north side of the existing bypass.

The road itself would have been fine to convert to a freeway, but the interchanges would have been difficult to work in. Plus, the area around TN 22 would be a non-conventional interchange due to not only having an interchange with TN 22, but also having to divert I-69 from the US 51 alignment in that area to avoid the commercial strip.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2015, 01:23:59 PM
Open commercial strip = folks engaged in local commerce.  a bypassed commercial strip = folks bypassing local commerce.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Scott5114 on June 11, 2015, 03:25:55 PM
Open commercial strip = folks engaged in local commerce.  a bypassed commercial strip = folks bypassing local commerce.

So folks engaged in other commerce should have to slow down and wait for the local commerce people, whose local commerce is likewise delayed by people passing through town with no need or interest in stopping?

Can't say I've ever been passing through a town and stopped at the Ace Hardware on a whim. Or anywhere other than food/gas, really.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on June 11, 2015, 03:52:21 PM
The road itself would have been fine to convert to a freeway, but the interchanges would have been difficult to work in. Plus, the area around TN 22 would be a non-conventional interchange due to not only having an interchange with TN 22, but also having to divert I-69 from the US 51 alignment in that area to avoid the commercial strip.

There is no commercial strip (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Union+City,+TN+38261/@36.4412138,-89.0348039,6044m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x887911ca3ae6c77b:0x45c7d08fa317af07!6m1!1e1) at the TN 22 interchange; all the commercial frontage is at the southern end of the bypass. The bypass is partially access-controlled with just a few at-grades - there's even a frontage road. Last I went through that part some of it was even signed at 70 mph!

All you'd need is a folded diamond at TN 21 and a local access interchange where you'd bend from the US 51 bypass to the I-69 alignment west of Discovery Park. Close the rest of the at-grades in between and you'd save a boatload of money.

Edit: Illustrating my point here. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lordsutch/18718932211/in/photostream/lightbox/)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2015, 09:07:07 PM
Open commercial strip = folks engaged in local commerce.  a bypassed commercial strip = folks bypassing local commerce.

So folks engaged in other commerce should have to slow down and wait for the local commerce people, whose local commerce is likewise delayed by people passing through town with no need or interest in stopping?

Can't say I've ever been passing through a town and stopped at the Ace Hardware on a whim. Or anywhere other than food/gas, really.

I have stopped at a few stores to see what I can find on the clearance racks and items that have been marked out of stock but still desirable doing just that.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Scott5114 on June 12, 2015, 12:15:47 AM
Open commercial strip = folks engaged in local commerce.  a bypassed commercial strip = folks bypassing local commerce.

So folks engaged in other commerce should have to slow down and wait for the local commerce people, whose local commerce is likewise delayed by people passing through town with no need or interest in stopping?

Can't say I've ever been passing through a town and stopped at the Ace Hardware on a whim. Or anywhere other than food/gas, really.

I have stopped at a few stores to see what I can find on the clearance racks and items that have been marked out of stock but still desirable doing just that.

I can assure you that you're far from typical. The typical driver has a destination they want to get to and slowing down to go through a town is a frustration, not a chance to jump at some trinket store.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on June 12, 2015, 06:59:39 AM
The road itself would have been fine to convert to a freeway, but the interchanges would have been difficult to work in. Plus, the area around TN 22 would be a non-conventional interchange due to not only having an interchange with TN 22, but also having to divert I-69 from the US 51 alignment in that area to avoid the commercial strip.

There is no commercial strip (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Union+City,+TN+38261/@36.4412138,-89.0348039,6044m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x887911ca3ae6c77b:0x45c7d08fa317af07!6m1!1e1) at the TN 22 interchange; all the commercial frontage is at the southern end of the bypass. The bypass is partially access-controlled with just a few at-grades - there's even a frontage road. Last I went through that part some of it was even signed at 70 mph!

All you'd need is a folded diamond at TN 21 and a local access interchange where you'd bend from the US 51 bypass to the I-69 alignment west of Discovery Park. Close the rest of the at-grades in between and you'd save a boatload of money.

Edit: Illustrating my point here. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lordsutch/18718932211/in/photostream/lightbox/)

That would be easier than using the entirety of the bypass, and for some reason I didn't think of a folded diamond at TN 22 interchange. It would have been nice if all of the bypass could be used, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 12, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
Is state highway 22 still planned to become an 3 digit Interstate 69 spur?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on June 13, 2015, 11:49:49 AM
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Is state highway 22 still planned to become an 3 digit Interstate 69 spur?

Local politicians would like it, but there are no firm plans that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 01, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
After noticing that the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not included in the December 5 letting (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2014/Notices/notDec5.pdf), I emailed TDOT to find out the new projected letting date, which is August, 2015:
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... this project has now been placed in the August 2015 Letting. As I have stated before, that is dependent on the availability of funding.
In a mild surprise since Congress only approved a two-month funding patch through July 31 instead of a long-term reauthorization, TDOT has announced (http://wkms.org/post/tdot-makes-progress-i-69-future-funding-uncertain) that it will have a letting for the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project this year
An excuse to go up the elevator at Discovery Park again in a couple of years for more photos...

Don't book your reservations quite yet. The south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project is not included in TDOT's August 28 letting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_August2015_Notice.pdf).  As reported in this article (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765678458/Congress-passes-3-month-highway-transit-aid-patch.html), Congress failed to pass a long-term reauthorization by July 31 and instead passed a three-month "patch":

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Congress sent President Barack Obama a three-month bill to keep highway and transit money flowing to states on Thursday, one day before the deadline for a cutoff of funds.
Earlier in the day, the Senate passed a sweeping, long-term transportation bill, setting up discussions with the House this fall on what the future course of transportation policy should be and how to pay for programs ....
Lawmakers said they hope the 3-month patch — the 34th short-term transportation extension since 2009 — will be Congress' last. It extends the government's authority to process aid payments to states through Oct. 29. Without congressional action, that authority would have expired at midnight Friday.

Despite TDOT's announcement, I'm not convinced that they will let the project in the absence of a long-term reauthorization. I'm also not convinced that Congress will pass a long-term reauthorization by October 29. Could be a long wait.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on August 25, 2015, 02:50:52 PM
This article (http://www.dresdenenterprise.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=218) ... reporting on comments made by Eighth District U.S. Rep. Stephen Fincher indicating that construction on the ... Memphis sections of I-69 will proceed:
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... It will cost another $100 million to complete the I-69 project from Memphis to the Mississippi border.
“The problem is between Troy and Memphis,” Fincher said
Congressman Fincher posted a blog in the Dyersburg State Gazette (http://www.stategazette.com/blogs/1676/entry/51892/) today; interestingly, he looks to Wisconsin as providing a case example of why Tennessee should complete its section of I-69:
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At a time when our economy is sluggish, unemployment is high, budgets are tight and economic opportunities are limited, Tennessee should say YES to prioritizing its limited funds in smart projects that produce maximum economic gains. I-69 is such a project .... Just look at Wisconsin, between 1990 and 2001, 88 percent of the state's new and expanded manufacturing facilities decided to relocate within five miles of the "Corridors 2020" highway. This new highway links the state's key economic centers, illustrating the importance of an easily accessible goods movement infrastructure in business location decisions. Simply put, communities not connected to the interstate system are not considered by businesses as candidates for major industrial or business facilities.
Bottom line, I-69 is a smart project and should be made a priority. It creates opportunities for folks today and generations to come.

This article (http://wkms.org/post/congressman-fincher-says-tn-shouldnt-raise-gas-tax-i-69-project) reports Congressman Fincher as saying that I-69 is an economic necessity for western Tennessee and that it will change the whole southeast forever; however, he will not support a gas tax increase to help get it built:

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Tennessee’s 8th district Congressman Stephen Fincher says the construction of Interstate 69 is critical to the western part of the state, but says his support falls short of increasing the gas tax ....
Fincher says it’s an economic necessity for western Tennessee to get I-69 built.  And although part of the project is federally funded, he would not support a raise in the gas tax to fund the state’ end.
"All of the bureaucratic problems that we have, all of the regulatory problems that cost so much—every dollar we spend now to build a road, 50 cents goes to regulation," said Fincher. "Until you get that under control, I can’t go to the hard working tax-payers of this district and ask them to pay more taxes.”
Fincher says he would support seeking alternative methods, like private funding, to bolster the project.
"There are solutions being talked about: I've had meetings, two weeks ago, in New York, about private sector money coming into infrastructure," said Fincher. "But it's key that if America's gonna get back on top, we have to invest in our infrastructure. I'm totally 100% in, but until we get the bureaucratic problems and regulatory problems under control, I can't come to my constituents and raise the gas tax. But we gotta fix it, it's got to be fixed.
"I-69 will change west Tennessee, it's gonna change the whole southeast forever."

It would be interesting to hear more specifics about the bureaucratic problems and the regulatory problems.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on August 25, 2015, 04:16:05 PM
The biggest thing that has contributed to the extreme cost increases of building roads:
Skyrocketing prices of building materials.

Concrete, steel, copper, plastics and just about any other material that can be used for manufacturing has seen its costs increase at least 2 to 4 times, if not more, since the last time the federal gas tax was hiked more than 20 years ago.

Globalization drove up demand for commodities like steel and concrete to an extreme. There might be some glimmer of hope for some price decreases as the economy in China and some other parts of the world goes into the toilet (as well as the price of oil trading below $40 per barrel).

Regulation does play a part in the rising costs with all the studies, hearings, law suits and on and on. All of that stuff costs TIME. And commodities prices, labor prices, etc. do not stand still for time. It's easy to see the disconnect and how it can cause the estimate for a major road project to be totally busted in a short amount of time. The government simply must figure out some way to actually start ELIMINATING red tape and streamlining procedures. For the longest time government has only known how to complicate things and slow progress down to nothing.

And then there's always the possibility some key, connected people are getting paid a fortune out of those taxpayer dollars directed at a big project like a new super highway or commuter rail line. I really have to wonder about it when it comes to rail. Some light rail lines are hardly any better than a glorified trolley car service, yet a single line often costs into the billions of dollars. With superhighways, I know the government keeps changing safety standards. While the changes might be for the better they often result in a highway costing a whole lot more to build.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Henry on August 26, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

This article (http://wkms.org/post/congressman-fincher-says-tn-shouldnt-raise-gas-tax-i-69-project) reports Congressman Fincher as saying that I-69 is an economic necessity for western Tennessee and that it will change the whole southeast forever; however, he will not support a gas tax increase to help get it built:

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Tennessee’s 8th district Congressman Stephen Fincher says the construction of Interstate 69 is critical to the western part of the state, but says his support falls short of increasing the gas tax ....
Fincher says it’s an economic necessity for western Tennessee to get I-69 built.  And although part of the project is federally funded, he would not support a raise in the gas tax to fund the state’ end.
"All of the bureaucratic problems that we have, all of the regulatory problems that cost so much—every dollar we spend now to build a road, 50 cents goes to regulation," said Fincher. "Until you get that under control, I can’t go to the hard working tax-payers of this district and ask them to pay more taxes.”
Fincher says he would support seeking alternative methods, like private funding, to bolster the project.
"There are solutions being talked about: I've had meetings, two weeks ago, in New York, about private sector money coming into infrastructure," said Fincher. "But it's key that if America's gonna get back on top, we have to invest in our infrastructure. I'm totally 100% in, but until we get the bureaucratic problems and regulatory problems under control, I can't come to my constituents and raise the gas tax. But we gotta fix it, it's got to be fixed.
"I-69 will change west Tennessee, it's gonna change the whole southeast forever."

It would be interesting to hear more specifics about the bureaucratic problems and the regulatory problems.
The only other alternative would be to put tolls on the major routes like I-40, I-65 and I-75, and I don't think he'd go for it either; hopefully I'm wrong on that.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on September 06, 2015, 03:09:01 PM
This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/local-news/delayed-welcome-i55-visitors-center-in-memphis-still-missing_06595274) reports that a revised Welcome Center along northbound I-55/(currently unsigned) I-69 in Memphis (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitehaven,+Memphis,+TN/@35.0412105,-90.0050227,851m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d5634afb98f3db:0x9e1c9424014bf780) is about to go to bid again:
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Tennessee’s I-55 Welcome Center in Whitehaven, demolished several years ago, has yet to be replaced.
“The revised design is more efficient by consolidating some building spaces, while preserving all of the restroom and tourism capacity anticipated with the completion of the I-69 corridor,” said David Roberson, spokesman for the Tennessee Department of General Services.
The state still intends for the new welcome center to be the first net-zero energy building Tennessee owns. Solar panels will be installed on the roof.

The Jackson Tourism website (http://jacksontn.com/tourism/news/detail/165) has posted an article about the August 28 groundbreaking for the Memphis I-55/(currently unsigned) I-69 Welcome Center that projects an opening in Fall 2016:

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The Tennessee Departments of Transportation and Tourist Development held a groundbreaking ceremony for the new I-55 Memphis Welcome Center Aug. 28. Commissioner John Schroer, Tennessee Department of Transportation, Commissioner Kevin Triplett, Tennessee Department of Tourist Development, Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton and Memphis Convention & Visitors Bureau president & CEO Kevin Kane provided remarks ....
The new 1-55 Welcome Center will feature a modern, energy-efficient design, drawing on the Memphis brand strategy in welcoming visitors to West Tennessee. Tennessee currently has 14 Welcome Centers, all constructed by TDOT and operated by Tourist Development ....
The I-55 Center will be located at 3910 Interstate 55, Mile Marker 3.10 north bound on the Tennessee line, and is expected to open to the public in the fall of 2016.  Interstate 55 is approximately 964 miles that starts in Illinois and runs through Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana. It is the only interstate that crosses the Mississippi River twice – in Memphis and St. Louis, Missouri.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on October 11, 2015, 11:31:37 AM
The Jackson Tourism website (http://jacksontn.com/tourism/news/detail/165) has posted an article about the August 28 groundbreaking for the Memphis I-55/(currently unsigned) I-69 Welcome Center that projects an opening in Fall 2016

This October 5 article (http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2015/10/05/state-begins-construction-on-futuristic-new.html), which includes four slides depicting what the I-55/69 Welcome Center will look like, reports that the construction permit was obtained on October 2:

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Tennessee's newest welcome center, coming to I-55 in Memphis, will show off a futuristic first for visitors to the state.
The new I-55 Welcome Center is replacing a defunct facility on northbound I-55 — which had been demolished several years ago — to make way for the state’s first net-zero energy building, according to the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
As a net-zero energy building, the visitor center is projected to generate more energy that it will use over the course of a year. The new facility will include a modern design equipped with Memphis branding to welcome visitors to West Tennessee when it opens in fall 2016.
TDOT filed a $2.11 million permit with the Shelby County Department of Construction Code Enforcement on Oct. 2 to begin construction on a new visitor center on the Mississippi-Tennessee state line.
TDOT commissioner John Schroer, Tennessee Department of Tourist Development commissioner Kevin Triplett, Memphis Mayor A C Wharton and Memphis Convention & Visitors Bureau president/CEO Kevin Kane broke ground on the I-55 Welcome Center Replacement Project, located at 3910 I-55, on Aug. 28.

Also, this October 4 article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/business/real-estate/construction-starting-soon-on-i-55-welcome-center-ep-1216577395-323466291.html) reports on the upcoming construction and includes both a photograph and a video featuring the currently existing sculpture called "Pyradoptics".
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 15, 2015, 02:59:10 PM
Does anyone know when we might see actual Interstate 69 signs in the state of Tennessee? I think it should have at least been signed in Memphis by now, given Interstate 269 will be complete in a few years.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on October 15, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
Does anyone know when we might see actual Interstate 69 signs in the state of Tennessee? I think it should have at least been signed in Memphis by now, given Interstate 269 will be complete in a few years.

Maybe they're waiting to sign it until they do the eight-laning of midtown I-240. I guess it would make sense to decommission midtown I-240 and replace it with I-69 (along with renumbering the exits) as part of the same project.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 16, 2015, 06:25:09 PM
When will that happen? Is there a date for construction on the project?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 09, 2015, 02:31:35 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee:

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Joined by Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John Schroer, Haslam also released two transportation projects lists: a list of 181 backlogged projects that will not be completed or at least under contract until 2034; and a list of 765 new project needs that cannot be considered until 2022 at the earliest, if ever.

In a mild surprise to me, I-69 SIU 8 is included in the backlogged projects list (along with the remaining SIU 7 and SIU 9 projects), even though a Final Environmental Impact Statement has not been released:

(http://i.imgur.com/yOX796W.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uw1iCa6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/cONPAjf.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7rsrisU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/trKxifo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/oPBKL6I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/TUlQAGy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/H34urcS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/pl5blkC.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gjM9mVH.png)

In a bit of a disappointment, the state line connection to Kentucky is considered a "new" project that cannot currently be considered until 2022, at the earliest:

(http://i.imgur.com/syTSQOW.png)

With the state line section aside, I think it would be miraculous if the rest of I-69 were let by 2034 with increased transportation funding.  Also, as a side note, the Shelby County "From 0.8 mile east of US 51 to 0.5 mile south of SR 388" project includes the final section of I-269.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 24, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of ...currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf) ... :
(http://i.imgur.com/pl5blkC.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gjM9mVH.png)

This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/business/logistics/Memphis-backlog-of-uncompleted-road-projects-nears-1-billion-352338291.html) reports that Shelby County currently has approximately $1 billion worth of backlogged projects, that Shelby County's backlogged I-69 projects total approximately $423 million, and that Shelby County officials believe that I-69 is a national project to which the federal government needs to provide greater support:

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... Gov. Bill Haslam ... recently stood on BNSF property with traffic roaring in the background and talked about the state’s $6 billion backlog of transportation projects, including at least $934 million that touch Shelby County. Haslam said he wants to work with lawmakers to come up with a plan to fix the issue before he leaves office in 2018 ....
While Shelby’s backlogged projects are all over the map, transportation and logistics industry experts listed Lamar’s $229 million fix as the No. 1 thing that would help move freight through and within Memphis ....
Dexter Muller, a senior advisor for the Greater Memphis Chamber
....
Beyond the Lamar corridor, a proposed $43 million revamp of the Airways-I-240 interchange and projects related to I-69, the so-called NAFTA Highway stretching from Mexico to Canada, are seen as key projects to Memphis area freight movement....
I-69 [is] considered as much national as local in significance, and Memphis chamber officials argue [it] should receive a larger proportion of federal support for that reason ....
Projects related to I-69 account for $423 million of the TDOT backlog: $50 million to extend I-69 along the I-240 Midtown leg and $373 million to buy right of way and build the road paralleling U.S. 51 from Frayser into Tipton County.
Muller said
I-69 would serve 40 percent of U.S. manufacturing industry. “That’s a roadway of national significance. The bottom line is the states can’t do this individually. A part of the reason we’re having this problem at the state level is the federal government hasn’t stepped up.”

Here is a snip of the I-240/69 project from the backlogged project list:

(http://i.imgur.com/Q104KH8.jpg)

With the Lamar Avenue improvements being the number one priority over I-69 SIUs 8 and 9 in Shelby County, maybe TDOT can focus on completing most of I-69 SIU 7 (I-155 to near Kentucky state line) in roughly the same amount of time that it will take to complete the Lamar Avenue upgrades.  Then, shift the I-69 focus southward to Shelby County.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 08, 2016, 03:15:17 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee .... I-69 SIU 8 is included in the backlogged projects list (along with the remaining SIU 7 and SIU 9 projects), even though a Final Environmental Impact Statement has not been released

For the first time since 2011, and probably as a result of passage of the FAST legislation, TDOT has updated its I-69 Segment 8 Status (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-8-status) page and projects the release of an I-69 SIU 8 Final Environmental Impact Statement ("FEIS") in the third quarter of 2016 and the issuance of an I-69 SIU 8 Record of Decision ("ROD") in the first quarter of 2017:

(http://i.imgur.com/V49ita1.png)

I wonder if further delays will result from Tennessee's effort to increase state-level transportation funding.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 08, 2016, 04:01:40 PM
Is Tennessee still considering building portions of Interstate 69 as a toll road?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 09, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
I'm not sure if I've heard of Tennessee building it as a toll road. It would be incredibly easy to shunpike it if only the new segments were built as a toll road, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 09, 2016, 02:27:17 PM
Is Tennessee still considering building portions of Interstate 69 as a toll road?
I'm not sure if I've heard of Tennessee building it as a toll road. It would be incredibly easy to shunpike it if only the new segments were built as a toll road, though.

This post (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg201506;topicseen#msg201506) quotes an article as indicating that traffic studies concluded that I-69 would not generate enough traffic to support tolls:

This article (http://www.stategazette.com/story/1937580.html) reports that traffic studies have indicated that I-69 would not generate enough traffic to support tolls:
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State Rep. Bill Sanderson addressed approximately 75 residents .... Dyersburg Alderman Bob Kirk .... asked if there was a possibility of installing a toll road to generate revenue for the corridor. Sanderson responded that Schroer previously had addressed the use of toll roads to fund I-69. However, traffic studies indicated that there would not be enough traffic to generate the required revenue.



TDOT has posted its Fiscal Years 2016 - 2018 Proposed Comprehensive Multimodal Program (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/ThreeYearProgram-TDOT-2016-2018.pdf) and construction for the 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 has been pushed back to FY 2018:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZyelE88.png)
It sure would be nice to have a long-term reauthorization to help TDOT fulfill Commissioner Schroer's commitment to finish I-69 SIU 7 in approximately ten years.
In a mild surprise since Congress only approved a two-month funding patch through July 31 instead of a long-term reauthorization, TDOT has announced (http://wkms.org/post/tdot-makes-progress-i-69-future-funding-uncertain) that it will have a letting for the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project this year:
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The Tennessee Department of Transportation says they will have a contract letting for construction on a portion of I-69 in northwest Tennessee will begin this year.
T-DOT Spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said funding is secured for grade and drainage construction along a section of the planned route between US-51 and State Route 5 near Union City.
Maybe they will get I-69 SIU 7 done within ten years .......

Even though TDOT did not let the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project in 2015, TDOT now dangles the possibility, on its I-69 Segment 7 Status page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-7-status), that both that project and the 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 will be let in 2016:

(http://i.imgur.com/ajZVk8G.jpg)

Two I-69 lettings in one calendar year would be remarkable and would help the effort to complete SIU 7 within a decade.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: thefro on January 11, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Good news.... would be a very positive sign if they can let both projects.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2016, 03:25:56 PM
In a mild surprise since Congress only approved a two-month funding patch through July 31 instead of a long-term reauthorization, TDOT has announced (http://wkms.org/post/tdot-makes-progress-i-69-future-funding-uncertain) that it will have a letting for the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project this year
Even though TDOT did not let the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project in 2015, TDOT now dangles the possibility, on its I-69 Segment 7 Status page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-7-status), that both that project and the 4.9 mile project from west of TN 21 to US 51 will be let in 2016:
(http://i.imgur.com/ajZVk8G.jpg)

Consistent with its information on the I-69 Segment 7 Status page, TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)

Allowing approximately 3.5 years to complete a grading and structures project by October 31, 2019 seems like an unnecessarily long period of time to do so.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 12, 2016, 12:33:32 PM
Consistent with its information on the I-69 Segment 7 Status page, TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)

Alas, the above project, Call No. 070, does not appear on the Apparent Low Bids for Letting of February 12, 2016 page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Feb12_apparent_bids.pdf). The wait continues ............



As a side note, TDOT has revised its I-69 pages and now has a Segment 7 Timeline page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-7-status) with the following information:

(http://i.imgur.com/TmJHjl8.png)



This October 5 article (http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2015/10/05/state-begins-construction-on-futuristic-new.html), which includes four slides depicting what the I-55/69 Welcome Center will look like, reports that the construction permit was obtained on October 2

This January 13, 2016 article and video (http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/construction-underway-on-new-welcome-center) provides an update on the I-55/69 "net zero energy" welcome center construction:

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Construction workers said they started on it about three months ago and they are about a month behind. It should be completed sometime this spring.
Once finished, it will be the state's first net zero energy building, meaning it is supposed to generate more energy than it will use in a year.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 12, 2016, 02:33:49 PM
Consistent with its information on the I-69 Segment 7 Status page, TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)
Alas, the above project, Call No. 070, does not appear on the Apparent Low Bids for Letting of February 12, 2016 page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Feb12_apparent_bids.pdf). The wait continues ............

But apparently not for long. The project appears on a March 4 Special Letting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_March_2016_Notice.pdf) as the only project (Call No. 001):

(http://i.imgur.com/t0BElbF.png)

Maybe TDOT is serious about continuing with SIU 7 .......
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on February 13, 2016, 05:21:00 PM
Consistent with its information on the I-69 Segment 7 Status page, TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)
Alas, the above project, Call No. 070, does not appear on the Apparent Low Bids for Letting of February 12, 2016 page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Feb12_apparent_bids.pdf). The wait continues ............

But apparently not for long. The project appears on a March 4 Special Letting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_March_2016_Notice.pdf) as the only project (Call No. 001):

(http://i.imgur.com/t0BElbF.png)

Maybe TDOT is serious about continuing with SIU 7 .......

I would hope so.  As already mentioned, this is the section of I69 that needs to have the highest priority.  Connect Fulton to Dyersburg and you have an all-interstate connection to Memphis.  And I suspect that most of the SB traffic is headed west on 40 anyway.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: brycecordry on February 15, 2016, 08:17:14 PM

I would hope so.  As already mentioned, this is the section of I69 that needs to have the highest priority.  Connect Fulton to Dyersburg and you have an all-interstate connection to Memphis.  And I suspect that most of the SB traffic is headed west on 40 anyway.

Perhaps what they can do, to alleviate the high cost and inconvenience to the residents is continue I-69 west, across the Mississippi on the Caruthersville Bridge, across on an 8-10 mile-long connector between I-155 and I-55, then extend it down I-55 into Arkansas. Add a brief concurrency with I-40 west and then down back across the Mississippi to rejoin the existing alignment in Mississippi. This would require much less construction than the US 51 plan, and even though it would require another river crossing, it would still cost less due to all the property and outer roads they would have to build. I have drafted it up on this link to view. LINK https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oBkHGBQhnA28NLRgwmksaYwuhc0&usp=sharing
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on February 16, 2016, 07:13:53 PM
Perhaps what they can do, to alleviate the high cost and inconvenience to the residents is continue I-69 west, across the Mississippi on the Caruthersville Bridge, across on an 8-10 mile-long connector between I-155 and I-55, then extend it down I-55 into Arkansas. Add a brief concurrency with I-40 west and then down back across the Mississippi to rejoin the existing alignment in Mississippi. This would require much less construction than the US 51 plan, and even though it would require another river crossing, it would still cost less due to all the property and outer roads they would have to build. I have drafted it up on this link to view. LINK https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oBkHGBQhnA28NLRgwmksaYwuhc0&usp=sharing

What inconvenience to residents? South of I-155, it's almost entirely a new terrain routing over farmland. Even the section between north Memphis and Millington avoids significant development. Besides which, as mentioned above, a bypass of US 51 from Memphis north to at least Covington is already needed; recently-widened TN 14 relieves some traffic but really only helps with the section from Millington through Atoka.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: brycecordry on February 16, 2016, 10:30:49 PM

What inconvenience to residents? South of I-155, it's almost entirely a new terrain routing over farmland. Even the section between north Memphis and Millington avoids significant development. Besides which, as mentioned above, a bypass of US 51 from Memphis north to at least Covington is already needed; recently-widened TN 14 relieves some traffic but really only helps with the section from Millington through Atoka.

I guess it would be less of an inconvenience to the residents and more of the fact that my proposal would greatly reduce the number of new miles needed to be constructed (instead putting them onto existing freeway). Furthermore with the new bridge people could bypass Memphis, even if still wanting to go on I-55 (I-69 to I-269 back to I-55)

As for the traffic issue, they can easily extend the beltway around, back to I-55/69 in Arkansas, and if they really want the routing of I-69, they can always complete the road and name it something like I-340.

I just believe that the proposed I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis is just simply Too Close To I-55 to be of national use.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Wayward Memphian on February 17, 2016, 12:24:05 AM

What inconvenience to residents? South of I-155, it's almost entirely a new terrain routing over farmland. Even the section between north Memphis and Millington avoids significant development. Besides which, as mentioned above, a bypass of US 51 from Memphis north to at least Covington is already needed; recently-widened TN 14 relieves some traffic but really only helps with the section from Millington through Atoka.

I guess it would be less of an inconvenience to the residents and more of the fact that my proposal would greatly reduce the number of new miles needed to be constructed (instead putting them onto existing freeway). Furthermore with the new bridge people could bypass Memphis, even if still wanting to go on I-55 (I-69 to I-269 back to I-55)

As for the traffic issue, they can easily extend the beltway around, back to I-55/69 in Arkansas, and if they really want the routing of I-69, they can always complete the road and name it something like I-340.

I just believe that the proposed I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis is just simply Too Close To I-55 to be of national use.
I would love to see new northern and southern bridges that would in effect make a complete loop around Memphis using  TN385/I-269. What you don't get is redundancy in this area way lacking considering the ever present New Madrid fault line. I-40 in Arkansas is stressed enough. I would gladly trade you the Memphis/LR leg for the stretch of I-70 between STL and KC.  We need more 4 lane limited access roads in this country, period. Memphis needs all the spokes it can get due to it's role as a giant distribution hub. Folks outside of the area just have no understanding how big of a hub it is. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 10, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
The project appears on a March 4 Special Letting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_March_2016_Notice.pdf) as the only project (Call No. 001)

TDOT has posted the Contract Award (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/CONST_March2016_Awards.pdf) for the project, with the winning bid coming in slightly under the estimate:

(http://i.imgur.com/AbnCouT.png)

Here is a snip of a project map from the Plans (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/PublicDocuments//Construction/Design_CADD_Files/March%204,%202016%20letting/101343-00-info-Rev-02-11-16.pdf) (p. 1/603 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/twKa8rN.png)



This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of ...currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf) ...
Here is a snip of the I-240/69 project from the backlogged project list:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q104KH8.jpg)

FWIW, TDOT now includes the above I-240/69 project, in addition to the four Memphis new terrain SIU 9 projects, on its Segment 9 Timeline page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-9-status):

(http://i.imgur.com/zl78el0.png)

Maybe TDOT is anticipating (hoping?) that some sort of federal dedicated funding for I-69 projects will emerge in the next few years.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on March 10, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
More likely now that 385 and the 40/240 interchanges are (mostly) done, the I-69 projects are in the next cluster of big-ticket projects in Memphis after the I-55/Riverside/Crump reconstruction and Walnut Grove/Kirby-Whitten in Shelby Farms. I don't see any new earmarked money coming anytime soon for anything.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Wayward Memphian on March 12, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
Consistent with its information on the I-69 Segment 7 Status page, TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)
Alas, the above project, Call No. 070, does not appear on the Apparent Low Bids for Letting of February 12, 2016 page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Feb12_apparent_bids.pdf). The wait continues ............

But apparently not for long. The project appears on a March 4 Special Letting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_March_2016_Notice.pdf) as the only project (Call No. 001):

(http://i.imgur.com/t0BElbF.png)

Maybe TDOT is serious about continuing with SIU 7 .......

I would hope so.  As already mentioned, this is the section of I69 that needs to have the highest priority.  Connect Fulton to Dyersburg and you have an all-interstate connection to Memphis.  And I suspect that most of the SB traffic is headed west on 40 anyway.

Nashville/Haslem wants to get busy getting folks to that new Megasite just east of Arlington. They tout it as being big enough for multiple superprojects. Adding road infrastructure in the area helps that along. I even had a friend in Nashville that works at the Capitol say they would be willing to build a runway if it meant landing an plane assembly line. It's all about legacy building time in Nashville.

Get I-69 helps the PR machine. It's missing on this puffpiece, bet they want to add it
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 25, 2016, 01:14:30 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of ...currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf) ...
This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/business/logistics/Memphis-backlog-of-uncompleted-road-projects-nears-1-billion-352338291.html):
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Projects related to I-69 account for $423 million of the TDOT backlog: ... $50 million to extend I-69 along the I-240 Midtown leg ...
Here is a snip of the I-240/69 project from the backlogged project list:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q104KH8.jpg)
TDOT now includes the above I-240/69 project, in addition to the four Memphis new terrain SIU 9 projects, on its Segment 9 Timeline page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/i69-segment-9-status):
(http://i.imgur.com/zl78el0.png)

Although it does not appear in TDOT's Shelby County listing in the Proposed Fiscal Years 2017-2019 Comprehensive Multimodal Program (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/FY_17-19_3_year_program_%283-29-2016%29.pdf), $1 million (combined federal and state funding) in estimated FY 2019 ROW acquisition costs for the above I-240/69 project does appear in the the Memphis MPO's FY 2017-20 TIP Project List (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/FY%202017-20%20Project%20List%20%28Compiled%29.pdf) that will be presented to its Transportation Policy Board for approval on May 5 (p. 1/8 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/s6h0yBC.png)
....
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6AaBVP.png)

Maybe the Memphis MPO wants to include this I-69 project in the TIP in order to help establish a priority for the time if and when Gov. Haslam and Commissioner Schroer persuade the Tennessee legislature to increase state-level funding for transportation.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on April 25, 2016, 01:30:38 PM
Although it does not appear in TDOT's Shelby County listing in the Proposed Fiscal Years 2017-2019 Comprehensive Multimodal Program (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/FY_17-19_3_year_program_%283-29-2016%29.pdf), $1 million (combined federal and state funding) in estimated ROW acquisition costs for the above I-240/69 project does appear in the the Memphis MPO's FY 2017-20 TIP Project List (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/FY%202017-20%20Project%20List%20%28Compiled%29.pdf) that will be presented to its Transportation Policy Board for approval on May 5 (p. 1/8 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/s6h0yBC.png)
....
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6AaBVP.png)

Maybe the Memphis MPO wants to include this I-69 project in the TIP in order to help establish a priority for the time if and when Gov. Haslam and Commissioner Schroer persuade the Tennessee legislature to increase state-level funding for transportation.

I went to a public meeting on this project about a decade ago. Basically the project is to widen Midtown I-240 between I-55 and I-40 from 6 to 8 through lanes; most of the work was originally planned in the current ROW by narrowing the inner shoulders and using 11-foot lanes, hence the low ROW acquisition costs. (I think I suggested using 10' inner lanes and keeping 12' outer lanes and limiting trucks to the two right-hand lanes.) I believe TDOT also planned to remove some of the loop ramps at the South Parkway cloverleaf. If I recall correctly, there are also some bridge clearance issues that may or may not be resolved too.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 21, 2016, 10:27:25 AM
After seeing the state line work included in Kentucky's Recommended Plan, I emailed TDOT and asked for an update of the situation on their side of the state line.
My question:
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I recently noticed that KYTC has included an I-69 TN/KY state line project in its 2014 Recommended Highway Plan (page 43):
http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2014RecommendedProjectListing.pdf
With the above project in mind, I assume that TDOT has committed to remaining on the US 51 corridor in that area and upgrading the current interchange in that area.  Is that a safe assumption? If so, has TDOT finalized plans on how to upgrade the US 45E interchange to meet current interstate standards?
The response:
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I want to thank you for contacting our office about the I-69 project in Obion County.  You ask about the corridor for the section of I-68 [sic] from Union City to the Kentucky line.  This section will follow existing US 51 to the Kentucky Purchase Parkway.  Kentucky is currently work [sic] TDOT on the completion of the environmental reevaluation at the Kentucky line.   The Final Environmental Impact Statement did not identify the connector to the Purchase Parkway so the document has to be reevaluated to include the connector to the Purchase Parkway. 
TDOT has not started developing plans on the upgrade to US 45 E  or US 51.
At least they are doing some preliminary environmental work on the connection.
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee ....
In a bit of a disappointment, the state line connection to Kentucky is considered a "new" project that cannot currently be considered until 2022, at the earliest:
(http://i.imgur.com/syTSQOW.png)

TDOT held a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting about the connection to Kentucky (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/event/obion-county-public-meeting-on-i-69), during which two alternative alignments were presented:

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The Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT), in association with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC), will host a Public Information Meeting on Thursday, December 3, 2015, in the Community Room of South Fulton City Hall, 700 Milton Counce Drive, South Fulton, TN 38257, to discuss one segment of the proposed Interstate 69 (Corridor 18) Segment of Independent Utility 7, which begins at the U.S. 412/U.S 51 interchange in Dyer County, Tennessee, and ends at the Purchase Parkway in Fulton County, Kentucky (map). The focus of the public meeting is the segment of the project that extends from U.S. 51 near Rogers Road in Obion County, Tennessee, to the Purchase Parkway near U.S. 51/U.S. 45E in Fulton County, Kentucky.  The length of this segment is approximately 3.2 miles.  Two alignment alternatives will be presented at the public meeting for this segment. Alternative 1 would bypass South Fulton, Tennessee and Fulton, Kentucky to the west, and generally follows the original alignment studied in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS).  Alternative 2 generally follows existing U.S. 51 in Tennessee and Purchase Parkway (U.S. 51 Bypass) in Kentucky.  Alternative 2 would require the reconstruction of the U.S. 51/U.S. 45E interchange as well as other system improvements ....
At the time of the approval of the Record of Decision (ROD) in September 2002, based on public comments, TDOT and KYTC agreed to defer the environmental analysis and alignment studies for the segment from U.S. 51 near Rogers Road in Tennessee into Fulton County, Kentucky until the KYTC was ready to address the project.  This meeting will request public input on the project and recently proposed alignment alternatives for this segment.

A Transcript of the meeting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Obion_Co_Pub_Mtg_I-69_120315_transcript.pdf) provides some clarification about the two alternatives resulting from questions by attendees.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on May 21, 2016, 07:00:37 PM



TDOT held a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting about the connection to Kentucky (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/event/obion-county-public-meeting-on-i-69), during which two alternative alignments were presented:

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The Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT), in association with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC), will host a Public Information Meeting on Thursday, December 3, 2015, in the Community Room of South Fulton City Hall, 700 Milton Counce Drive, South Fulton, TN 38257, to discuss one segment of the proposed Interstate 69 (Corridor 18) Segment of Independent Utility 7, which begins at the U.S. 412/U.S 51 interchange in Dyer County, Tennessee, and ends at the Purchase Parkway in Fulton County, Kentucky (map). The focus of the public meeting is the segment of the project that extends from U.S. 51 near Rogers Road in Obion County, Tennessee, to the Purchase Parkway near U.S. 51/U.S. 45E in Fulton County, Kentucky.  The length of this segment is approximately 3.2 miles.  Two alignment alternatives will be presented at the public meeting for this segment. Alternative 1 would bypass South Fulton, Tennessee and Fulton, Kentucky to the west, and generally follows the original alignment studied in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS).  Alternative 2 generally follows existing U.S. 51 in Tennessee and Purchase Parkway (U.S. 51 Bypass) in Kentucky.  Alternative 2 would require the reconstruction of the U.S. 51/U.S. 45E interchange as well as other system improvements ....
At the time of the approval of the Record of Decision (ROD) in September 2002, based on public comments, TDOT and KYTC agreed to defer the environmental analysis and alignment studies for the segment from U.S. 51 near Rogers Road in Tennessee into Fulton County, Kentucky until the KYTC was ready to address the project.  This meeting will request public input on the project and recently proposed alignment alternatives for this segment.

A Transcript of the meeting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Obion_Co_Pub_Mtg_I-69_120315_transcript.pdf) provides some clarification about the two alternatives resulting from questions by attendees.

Nice find. It'd be nice if TDOT or KYTC had posted the meeting exhibits on the website, since the thumbnail map in the notice was really low-scale.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on May 21, 2016, 10:29:57 PM
A Transcript of the meeting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Obion_Co_Pub_Mtg_I-69_120315_transcript.pdf) provides some clarification about the two alternatives resulting from questions by attendees.

Also from the transcript:
We believe that it's an important connector to get this built and getit around Union City and back onto 51 so that it basically shows some interstate continuity from, in
essence, Caruthersville, Missouri, all the way through Dyersburg, and up through Kentucky and through here. That is a connection that's a useable interstate
connector at that point, even without being built all the way straight through Tennessee to Memphis. 

I'm glad to see that TDOT recognizes that SIU7 should have the highest priority.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 21, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
An excuse to go up the elevator at Discovery Park again in a couple of years for more photos...
TDOT has posted the Contract Award (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/CONST_March2016_Awards.pdf) for the project
I'm glad to see that TDOT recognizes that SIU7 should have the highest priority.

This May 20 video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/32028845/progress-being-made-on-future-interstate-69-in-union-city) reports that construction from State Route 3 to State Route 5 should begin within the next thirty days (and be completed in 2019), which is apparently good news to the folks at Discovery Park:

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After years of delays, progress is being made on a major route you will eventually be able to take. A second segment of the new Interstate 69 in Union City, Tennessee, will begin in the next 30 days.
It's being build in different segments. The first was built a few years ago from State Route 5 to west of State Route 21.
Next month, construction begins on the second segment from State Route 3 to State Route 5. The final segment will connect the interstate to U.S. 51, which goes into Kentucky. The Tennessee Department of Transportation is still waiting for the funding to begin the third portion ....
Discovery Park CEO Jim Rippy says a new interstate could someday bring even more families to the area.
"It should increase our attendance dramatically, because the whole design was made to work with the interstate," Rippy said.

He says it felt like the project has been slowing down for the last six years or so, so the construction of the $50 million, 2-mile segment gives him hope the project will be completed.
"I can't wait to ride on it. I just want to get on it, and say it's finished," he said ....
Work on this part of the project is expected to be completed in 2019.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: thefro on June 07, 2016, 09:56:32 AM
Looks like there's going to be a groundbreaking ceremony today for the new section

http://wkms.org/post/tenn-transportation-officials-host-groundbreaking-i-69#stream/0
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: thefro on June 08, 2016, 03:04:46 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/32168462/work-begins-on-section-of-new-interstate-in-union-city
http://www.wbbjtv.com/2016/06/07/state-breaks-ground-on-phase-2-of-i-69/

Couple videos with footage from the groundbreaking above.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on October 29, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
A Transcript of the meeting (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Obion_Co_Pub_Mtg_I-69_120315_transcript.pdf) provides some clarification about the two alternatives resulting from questions by attendees.
Also from the transcript:
We believe that it's an important connector to get this built and getit around Union City and back onto 51 so that it basically shows some interstate continuity from, in
essence, Caruthersville, Missouri, all the way through Dyersburg, and up through Kentucky and through here. That is a connection that's a useable interstate
connector at that point, even without being built all the way straight through Tennessee to Memphis. 
I'm glad to see that TDOT recognizes that SIU7 should have the highest priority.

This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2016/10/28/-69-project-revived-but-not-memphis/92742980/) confirms that SIU 7 is the highest priority, with TDOT committed to completing it, but SIU 8 is still in the deep freeze:

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The Tennessee Department of Transportation, which had halted the interstate work because of a lack of federal funding, has decided to complete an approximately 45-mile portion of I-69 running from the Kentucky line to Dyersburg. There it will connect with I-155, a spur that crosses the Mississippi River and extends to I-55 near Hayti, Missouri.
The remaining portions of the planned I-69 route through West Tennessee, including parts in Lauderdale, Tipton and Shelby counties, will "continue to be in a held status until there is dedicated federal funding," TDOT spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said in an email.
Construction on the interstate resumed in the Union City area this summer after department officials determined "there would be value" in finishing just enough of I-69 to link it to I-55, a major north-south route that runs through Memphis, Lawrence said. "The long-term goal would be to establish interstate connectivity." ....
In 2012, after years of planning, right-of-way acquisition and some initial construction, TDOT officials said they were putting the I-69 project on hold until the federal government dedicated more money to it. Without dedicated federal funds, which generally cover 80-90 percent of the cost of building an interstate, the state would have to divert precious federal highway construction dollars from other projects across Tennessee to pay for I-69, they said.
However, Lawrence said the department recently decided it made sense to build the more limited I-69 route in Northwest Tennessee.
In Union City, located 115 miles northeast of Memphis, the $46.3 million segment now under construction covers 2.87 miles from Tenn. 5 around the west side of town to U.S. 51. Slated for completion in October 2019, it's one of five segments to be built in Obion County encompassing more than 20 miles and costing a total of $205.9 million.
Those segments will extend I-69 from the Kentucky line to south of the town of Troy, where the route will utilize a nearly 25-mile stretch of Highway 51 that needs only minimal upgrades to meet interstate standards.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Life in Paradise on October 29, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
I think that is a good and solid decision by Tennessee.  At least it gives people an option to get to Memphis on an interstate (although a bit out of the way).  Have they ever thought about getting I-69 rerouted to the Dyersburg east bypass and then go down US 412 and then split off, perhaps after Bells to connect up with I-40 to duplex into Memphis.  Don't know if US-412 is less developed, and a cheaper option to upgrade to an interstate.  At the least it would drop the mileage from about 65 miles to 40 miles of new or converted interstate.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on October 29, 2016, 03:39:12 PM
http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/kentucky/article111311962.html#navlink=SecList

I was in Union City last month. There is plenty of activity just south of Union City where the route will cross existing US 51, but none where it will tie into the freeway portion of US 51.

There is absolutely nothing going on to the north and west of town. No sign whatsoever of I-69 on TN 21 heading north (signed as east) toward the state line.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Tomahawkin on October 29, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
They should make it a toll road. The money generated could fund other projects in the Memphis area and in the state of Tennessee for that matter...
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on October 30, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Quotes from the article:
The remaining portions of the planned I-69 route through West Tennessee, including parts in Lauderdale, Tipton and Shelby counties, will "continue to be in a held status until there is dedicated federal funding," TDOT spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said in an email.

TDOT officials said they were putting the I-69 project on hold until the federal government dedicated more money to it. Without dedicated federal funds, which generally cover 80-90 percent of the cost of building an interstate, the state would have to divert precious federal highway construction dollars from other projects across Tennessee to pay for I-69, they said.

This is what bothers me about several states, including Tennessee here.  They have these grandiose plans that require a lot of money, yet instead of finding other sources, they complain that they can't suck any more from the Federal trough.  Face it, TDOT, Federal highway funding is **HIGHLY UNLIKELY** to increase anytime soon (if ever).  If you really want the project done, you should make it a priority and put some state money into it.

It is for a very similar reason why Corridor X (US 78/Future I-22) has been completed in Mississippi for over 20 years while Alabama just barely got their portion finished.  Mississippi made it a priority for completion and dedicated a fair bit of state money to the project, while Alabama dithered and then whined when Federal highway funding wasn't coming in fast enough.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: vdeane on October 30, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
Many states are still married to the old system where the state and federal governments gave the DOT large chunks of money that the DOT could spend as they liked, with enough to both maintain the system and do lots of new projects.  While some have adapted to the new reality of tight funding and getting dedicated sources for each and every project, many have not.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on October 30, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: Quotes from the article:
The remaining portions of the planned I-69 route through West Tennessee, including parts in Lauderdale, Tipton and Shelby counties, will "continue to be in a held status until there is dedicated federal funding," TDOT spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said in an email.

TDOT officials said they were putting the I-69 project on hold until the federal government dedicated more money to it. Without dedicated federal funds, which generally cover 80-90 percent of the cost of building an interstate, the state would have to divert precious federal highway construction dollars from other projects across Tennessee to pay for I-69, they said.

This is what bothers me about several states, including Tennessee here.  They have these grandiose plans that require a lot of money, yet instead of finding other sources, they complain that they can't suck any more from the Federal trough.  Face it, TDOT, Federal highway funding is **HIGHLY UNLIKELY** to increase anytime soon (if ever).  If you really want the project done, you should make it a priority and put some state money into it.

But the only reason that this project is even being done is because of the federal government and its desire to build a border-to-border I-69. If not for that federal legislation, Tennessee would probably be perfectly content to leave US 51 as it is. And Kentucky would have been just fine leaving the WK/Pennyrile and I-24/Purchase interchanges the way they were.

If the feds want I-69, then they should pony up the money to build it. Otherwise, Tennessee (and Kentucky and probably a bunch of the other affected states) probably do have higher construction priorities.

The feds decreed I-69. They should pay for it.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on October 30, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
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But the only reason that this project is even being done is because of the federal government certain influential members of Congress who pandered and brought the pork to their constituents and its their desire to build a border-to-border I-69.

FTFY, because that's really how I-69 came to be.  FHWA did not request this...it was dropped on them by Congress.  To say "the Feds decreed it" is a serious misnomer.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: vdeane on October 30, 2016, 06:34:07 PM
Congress decreed it.  And if there's no funding, it's not pork, it's an unfunded mandate (in this case, also congressional overreach; they should not be involved in the interstate system one bit).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on October 30, 2016, 07:41:13 PM
It's not like Tennessee hasn't sunk state money into projects in the past (notably SR 840); the issue is that the political center of gravity in TN has shifted to the Nashville/Chattanooga corridor from the period when west Tennessee was getting projects like the original US 51 and SR 22 freeway corridors.

As I've noted before, however, most of the west Tennessee priorities (except a new bridge, which realistically isn't going to happen unless tolled or the "old" I-55 bridge falls in the river) that were on the "list" before I-69 are going to be done in the next few years, so SIU 8 and the remainder of SIU 9 will be in position for traditional funding streams along with the US 45 south Jackson bypass.

Incidentally, I have no idea why they think they need dedicated funding for a 80-90% federal match since that's standard for any new construction project under NHPP. On the other hand, it could be a reporter just not understanding how new construction funding works.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on October 30, 2016, 10:47:48 PM
Congress decreed it.  And if there's no funding, it's not pork, it's an unfunded mandate (in this case, also congressional overreach; they should not be involved in the interstate system one bit).

You seriously don't think the people's elected representatives should be involved in deciding which roads get built?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: brycecordry on October 30, 2016, 11:29:36 PM

You seriously don't think the people's elected representatives should be involved in deciding which roads get built?

I believe that the congressmen are the people's liaisons to the government and how that operates. That said, due to the fact that our country has become too partisan, I believe that many representatives today work for their party and not the people they represent.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 02, 2016, 10:53:24 AM
Although it does not appear in TDOT's Shelby County listing in the Proposed Fiscal Years 2017-2019 Comprehensive Multimodal Program (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/FY_17-19_3_year_program_%283-29-2016%29.pdf), $1 million (combined federal and state funding) in estimated ROW acquisition costs for the above I-240/69 project does appear in the the Memphis MPO's FY 2017-20 TIP Project List (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/FY%202017-20%20Project%20List%20%28Compiled%29.pdf) that will be presented to its Transportation Policy Board for approval on May 5 (p. 1/8 of pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/s6h0yBC.png)
....
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6AaBVP.png)
Maybe the Memphis MPO wants to include this I-69 project in the TIP in order to help establish a priority for the time if and when Gov. Haslam and Commissioner Schroer persuade the Tennessee legislature to increase state-level funding for transportation.
I went to a public meeting on this project about a decade ago. Basically the project is to widen Midtown I-240 between I-55 and I-40 from 6 to 8 through lanes; most of the work was originally planned in the current ROW by narrowing the inner shoulders and using 11-foot lanes, hence the low ROW acquisition costs. (I think I suggested using 10' inner lanes and keeping 12' outer lanes and limiting trucks to the two right-hand lanes.) I believe TDOT also planned to remove some of the loop ramps at the South Parkway cloverleaf. If I recall correctly, there are also some bridge clearance issues that may or may not be resolved too.

The Memphis MPO adopted the TIP on August 25 (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/FY%202017-20%20TIP%20Document_Adopted%2008.25.16.pdf), and this project survived (p. 38/170 of pdf; p. 27 of document).  Also. it confirms that the end project is to widen from six lanes to eight lanes:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_02_11_16_10_49_53.png)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 02, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
When this is done, will Interstate 69 finally be signed through Memphis?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on November 02, 2016, 02:10:31 PM
When this is done, will Interstate 69 finally be signed through Memphis?

That's a good question. That would make the most sense, along with decommissioning I-240 along that segment.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on November 02, 2016, 05:44:04 PM
When this is done, will Interstate 69 finally be signed through Memphis?

That's a good question. That would make the most sense, along with decommissioning I-240 along that segment.

I've long advocated decommissioning that section of I-240 in favor of numbering it I-69, for junction continuity if nothing else since unsigned I-69 is actually the through north-south movement at the I-55/I-240 interchange.

Decommissioning midtown I-240 would also clear the path for correctly renumbering the former I-240's exits to eliminate the numbering discontinuity at the I-40/240 east interchange (rump I-240's exits could be renumbered west-to-east from I-55 to I-40).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 03, 2016, 03:27:07 PM
Somehow, I doubt that portion of 240 will be decommissioned. But since I've never been to Memphis, I can't claim any expertise on the matter.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 12:50:05 PM
Somehow, I doubt that portion of 240 will be decommissioned. But since I've never been to Memphis, I can't claim any expertise on the matter.
The only road in Memphis that I-69 will replace is SR 300.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 04, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
I posted these in the I-269 thread, but they are relevant here.

They are two maps of proposed I-69 Section 8 from I-155 south to I-269.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s01.pdf

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
I posted these in the I-269 thread, but they are relevant here.

They are two maps of proposed I-69 Section 8 from I-155 south to I-269.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s01.pdf

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf
So, let me get this straight.
Temporarily, when built, I-69 will curve left and become I-269? Weird.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on November 04, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
I posted these in the I-269 thread, but they are relevant here.

They are two maps of proposed I-69 Section 8 from I-155 south to I-269.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s01.pdf

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf
So, let me get this straight.
Temporarily, when built, I-69 will curve left and become I-269? Weird.

If SIU 9 to the south isn't built first, obviously the connection to I-269 & US 51 will need to be built as part of SIU 8. Presumably the future 69/269 interchange would be mostly built out at this point, much as when TN 385 was extended to TN 57 from US 72, the future I-269 interchange was mostly constructed except the NB 269 to WB 385 flyover.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
I posted these in the I-269 thread, but they are relevant here.

They are two maps of proposed I-69 Section 8 from I-155 south to I-269.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s01.pdf

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf
So, let me get this straight.
Temporarily, when built, I-69 will curve left and become I-269? Weird.

If SIU 9 to the south isn't built first, obviously the connection to I-269 & US 51 will need to be built as part of SIU 8. Presumably the future 69/269 interchange would be mostly built out at this point, much as when TN 385 was extended to TN 57 from US 72, the future I-269 interchange was mostly constructed except the NB 269 to WB 385 flyover.
Sounds cool. Also, Will TN 385 be co-signed with I-269 or just I-269?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on November 07, 2016, 08:46:06 PM
I recently emailed TDOT and asked them how the environmental process on SIU 8 was progressing. The pertinent part of the response:

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I want to thank you for your continued interest in I-69 through West Tennessee.  I understand you want to know if the “hold” status until dedicated funding can be identified means the environmental process will be put on hold  too for SIU 8, Dyersburg to Memphis.   The answer is that TDOT’s Environmental Division is working with the consultant on the completion of the Final Environmental Impact Statement.   Currently, we anticipate the completion of the FEIS in fourth quarter of 2017, subject to review times, internally and Federal Highway Administration.



Quote from: Quotes from the article:
The remaining portions of the planned I-69 route through West Tennessee, including parts in Lauderdale, Tipton and Shelby counties, will "continue to be in a held status until there is dedicated federal funding," TDOT spokeswoman Nichole Lawrence said in an email.
This is what bothers me about several states, including Tennessee here.  They have these grandiose plans that require a lot of money, yet instead of finding other sources, they complain that they can't suck any more from the Federal trough ....

To be fair, the article should have read "dedicated federal funding or increased state funding" Commissioner Schroer and Gov. Haslam toured the state late last year making the case for increased transportation funding*. This Oct. 5 article (http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/tdot-chief-tenn-gas-tax-hike-needed/article_4ac5061c-269d-573c-9fd9-bdbfc378690d.html) quotes Commissioner Schroer as saying that, after the election, Gov. Haslam will introduce a bill to the General Assembly, and one argument in favor of the bill is that Tennessee is falling behind neighboring states:

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Tennessee’s Commissioner of Transportation told local and state leaders Wednesday that the governor is working on a bill that could increase the gas tax across the Volunteer State.
Last November, Gov. Bill Haslam traveled the state to try to get lawmakers to raise the state’s motor vehicle fuels tax to fund improving the state’s roadways, but by January he decided against proposing the bill.
According to Transportation Commissioner John Schroer, the bill will be introduced in the 2017 General Assembly ....
“We’re really just talking about where we’re going and how transportation affects the economy and jobs across the state,” he said. “A good transportation network creates job opportunities in every region. This year, I only had $30 million to fund projects that can bring in jobs. I can’t do that much longer when competing with other states. We are one of five states that has done absolutely nothing to fund transportation. And I don’t want to be a state that does absolutely nothing.”
Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia have all changed their laws to ensure they could fund road projects.
North Carolina reduced the gas tax from 36 cents to 30 cents, but increased registration fees among other things, which enabled them to raise $352 million. Virginia threw out its gas tax and put a wholesale tax on gasoline that comes into the state, which increased its budget to $1.4 billion annually. And Georgia raised its gas tax 6 cents, put fees on electric cars and approved a hotel/motel fee to pay for roads.
According to Schroer, Tennessee can’t stay competitive with those kinds of numbers being spent on roads.
“Those states have done some pretty strong funding,” he said. “And our ability to come up with the money to do the types of projects that are job specific is getting harder and harder.”

At least Schroer is aware that Tennessee is doing nothing and is trying to change it.

This Oct. 20 article (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/20/haslam-still-working-gas-tax-plan-pitch/92469354/) reports that Gov. Haslam is still refining his plan:

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When the dust from this year's election settles, Tennessee lawmakers are expected to face the prospect of raising the state's gas tax, an idea Gov. Bill Haslam discussed on Thursday ....
For months, Haslam and members of his administration have been highlighting that the state's 21.4 cent per gallon tax has been in place for almost 30 years, as part of a larger effort to call for an increase.
Even with Tennessee's booming economy and continued population growth, which have helped bolster the state budget, the Haslam administration is hoping to convince Tennesseans and state lawmakers of the need for increasing the tax ....
On Thursday, Haslam said the details of a gas tax plan are still be discussed ....
Haslam balked at the idea of having the state borrow money to help pay for all the infrastructure needs, while equating Tennessee's road system to a farming operation that had been handed down from generation to generation.
"They passed it on to you debt free," he said. "Before you pass it on to your kids, I'm going to put some debt on it. Well that's just not right. You inherited something that's been this way for a long time. You shouldn't pass it on with debt when you didn't get it with debt. I feel real strongly about that." ....
When asked if he thinks the argument about not borrowing more money to address the state's infrastructure needs will convince not only Tennesseans but also lawmakers — who would ultimately have to approve a gas tax increase — Haslam said, "We'll see."

Incidentally, the timing of the SIU 8 FEIS would occur about the same time as a passed bill. They may have to identify a feasible source of funding for at least part of it. I don't recall the exact requirement.

edit

* I-69 was included as a project that would be expedited by increased transportation funding:

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2104792#msg2104792
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 07, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
This January 4 article (http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2017/01/04/haslam-talks-health-gas-tax/96127488/) reports that Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam recently spoke in Jackson and, among other things, promoted his idea of a gas tax that would be used to fund I-69, which he called "critical" to West Tennessee:

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Gas tax
Haslam wouldn’t say how much of an increase is being considered, but said he is in the middle of conversation with legislators about Tennessee’s first gas-tax increase in a quarter-century.
“We obviously have to do something that can get passed,” Haslam said. “I think everybody agrees we have to do something; the question now is what.”
While the state has some surplus money, it can’t be spent on an ongoing transportation plan, Haslam said.
Road projects have piled up across the state, leading to calls for a gas tax to provide for those backlogged projects.
Haslam said a tax needs to be reasonable while meeting needs in communities, such as Interstate 69, which he called “critical” to West Tennessee.

This January 3 article (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/politics/state/story/2017/jan/03/tennessee-lawmaker-gov-haslam-state-transportation-chief-mull-9-cent-gas-tax-increase/405696/) reports that Haslam has floated a trial balloon of a nine-cent gas tax increase and a twelve-cent diesel tax increase before making his official proposal.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on January 15, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
TDOT has posted the south of US 51 to south of TN 5 project on its February 12, 2016 Letting page (https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Const_February_2016_Notice.pdf):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdc9Ada.jpg)
Allowing approximately 3.5 years to complete a grading and structures project by October 31, 2019 seems like an unnecessarily long period of time to do so.

Google Maps has updated its imagery of I-69 construction on the south side of Union City (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3959247,-89.0953517,1673m/data=!3m1!1e3).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 15, 2017, 05:34:32 PM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on January 16, 2017, 08:09:12 AM
I've never understood why they didn't utilize more of the existing bypass.  At a minimum, the east-west leg of the existing bypass (from west of TN 21 to TN 22) could have easily been used, saving both time and money.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 16, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.

Segments 3, 4, and 5 all need to be complete to bypass Union City.  Segment 4 is built but not paved.  Segment 3 is being built.  Segment 5 has not had work done yet.

I have to assume they will do segment 5 next to complete the bypass and then pave it all at once.  That would give I-69 a functional bypass around Union City.

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Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: LM117 on January 16, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
Wasn't there a proposal for TN-22 to become an I-x69 between Union City and Martin? 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 16, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
As far as I know it is still a proposal.  From what I understand from various web pages (and AA Roads) is that the road is already built to interstate standards.

All they have to do is connect it to I-69.  Not sure how far those plans have gotten.

Hopefully they will build the interchange itself while building I-69, so all they have to do is make a short connection.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on January 16, 2017, 12:56:18 PM
^ Not completely Interstate-standard.  Some shoulder/median work would have to be done along TN 22 as well as lengthening some ramp acceleration lanes (particularly the NB on-ramp from US 45W in Union City), and the existing US 51/TN 22 interchange would need to be upgraded as well as it has at-grade junctions on TN 22.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 16, 2017, 04:13:48 PM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.

Segments 3, 4, and 5 all need to be complete to bypass Union City.  Segment 4 is built but not paved.  Segment 3 is being built.  Segment 5 has not had work done yet.

I have to assume they will do segment 5 next to complete the bypass and then pave it all at once.  That would give I-69 a functional bypass around Union City.

(http://wpsd.images.worldnow.com/images/10606217_G.jpg)

Your map isn't correct. Either that, or your descriptions are wrong. I was there back in the fall and drove TN 21 north all the way from US 51 to the state line. There is NO work visible where I-69 would cross TN 21.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 16, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.

Segments 3, 4, and 5 all need to be complete to bypass Union City.  Segment 4 is built but not paved.  Segment 3 is being built.  Segment 5 has not had work done yet.

I have to assume they will do segment 5 next to complete the bypass and then pave it all at once.  That would give I-69 a functional bypass around Union City.

(http://wpsd.images.worldnow.com/images/10606217_G.jpg)

I thought it was Section 3 that was built but not paved (the gray one).  And no work had been done on 4 (the green one).  And that work has just started on the 'pink' one.  At least this is what the 2016 NAIP imagery from TN supports (it shows grading work at the location for the US-51 interchange in the 'pink' section).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on January 17, 2017, 07:41:47 AM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.

Segments 3, 4, and 5 all need to be complete to bypass Union City.  Segment 4 is built but not paved.  Segment 3 is being built.  Segment 5 has not had work done yet.

I have to assume they will do segment 5 next to complete the bypass and then pave it all at once.  That would give I-69 a functional bypass around Union City.

(http://wpsd.images.worldnow.com/images/10606217_G.jpg)

I thought it was Section 3 that was built but not paved (the gray one).  And no work had been done on 4 (the green one).  And that work has just started on the 'pink' one.  At least this is what the 2016 NAIP imagery from TN supports (it shows grading work at the location for the US-51 interchange in the 'pink' section).

You are correct sir.  Was there a few months ago and visually confirmed.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 17, 2017, 09:12:31 AM
Why has there been nothing done on the north side of Union City? I was there back in the fall, and there is absolutely nothing visible from TN 21 going toward the state line. Seems to me that a bypass of US 51 from the north side of town to the south side would be of more use than the section that's under construction now.

Segments 3, 4, and 5 all need to be complete to bypass Union City.  Segment 4 is built but not paved.  Segment 3 is being built.  Segment 5 has not had work done yet.

I have to assume they will do segment 5 next to complete the bypass and then pave it all at once.  That would give I-69 a functional bypass around Union City.

(http://wpsd.images.worldnow.com/images/10606217_G.jpg)

I thought it was Section 3 that was built but not paved (the gray one).  And no work had been done on 4 (the green one).  And that work has just started on the 'pink' one.  At least this is what the 2016 NAIP imagery from TN supports (it shows grading work at the location for the US-51 interchange in the 'pink' section).

I think the numbers on that map are off.  My understanding was that:

Green - 5 - Not started
Gray - 4 - Built but not paved
Pink - 3 - Under construction
Blue - 2 - Not started
Red - 1 - Not started (Goes off the map.)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 17, 2017, 09:20:41 AM
^ Not completely Interstate-standard.  Some shoulder/median work would have to be done along TN 22 as well as lengthening some ramp acceleration lanes (particularly the NB on-ramp from US 45W in Union City), and the existing US 51/TN 22 interchange would need to be upgraded as well as it has at-grade junctions on TN 22.

My mistake.  Though it does not sound like there is not all that much to do, relatively speaking.

The big part is connecting I-x69 (TN-22) to the mainline north of Union City. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on January 17, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
Wasn't there a proposal for TN-22 to become an I-x69 between Union City and Martin? 

To elaborate on Froggie's response, there was a "proposal" from chamber of commerce types, but I don't think it ever had a lot of serious backing; I'm not even sure the Tyson chicken plant that motivated the extension of the TN 22 freeway as an eastern Union City bypass is still operating.

When I asked TDOT about connectivity to the TN 22 freeway from I-69, they indicated it would be indirect via the residual US 51 freeway stub rather than any connection directly aligned with TN 22.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: LM117 on January 17, 2017, 04:46:10 PM
Wasn't there a proposal for TN-22 to become an I-x69 between Union City and Martin? 

To elaborate on Froggie's response, there was a "proposal" from chamber of commerce types, but I don't think it ever had a lot of serious backing; I'm not even sure the Tyson chicken plant that motivated the extension of the TN 22 freeway as an eastern Union City bypass is still operating.

When I asked TDOT about connectivity to the TN 22 freeway from I-69, they indicated it would be indirect via the residual US 51 freeway stub rather than any connection directly aligned with TN 22.

According to Google Maps, the Tyson plant is still operating and based on what you just said about TDOT, it sounds like an I-x69 won't be happening anytime soon, if at all.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 18, 2017, 04:38:57 PM
Once the Interstate 155-to-Kentucky portion is complete, maybe they can make plans on constructing the Memphis-to-Interstate 155 segment. It probably won't be constructed for a long time, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on January 23, 2017, 11:55:15 PM
Once the Interstate 155-to-Kentucky portion is complete, maybe they can make plans on constructing the Memphis-to-Interstate 155 segment. It probably won't be constructed for a long time, though.

From what I understand from reading multiple articles concerning I-69 in Tennessee, it appears that TDOT is going to punt on completing SIU-8 between I-155 and I-269 in Millington until the feds commit funding to complete environmental studies, ROW acquisition and construction.  TDOT's current priority is completing the bypass around Union City.  Section 3 is under construction, and my understanding is Section 5 between TN-21 and US-51 north of Union City should be let sometime soon, depending on funding availability.  My suspicion is that TDOT would then focus on completing the bypass around Troy (Sections 1 and 2) and working with Kentucky to reconstruct the interchange with the Purchase Parkway at South Fulton.  Still, just getting I-69 completed from the Kentucky line to Dyersburg is many years off, and I doubt I'll see the road completed between Dyersburg and Millington in my lifetime. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on January 24, 2017, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler
From what I understand from reading multiple articles concerning I-69 in Tennessee, it appears that TDOT is going to punt on completing SIU-8 between I-155 and I-269 in Millington until the feds commit funding to complete environmental studies, ROW acquisition and construction.

Given that Federal highway funding is basically given as a block grant to the states, and it's up to the state as to what to do with it (subject to limitations such as which roads it can be used on and providing a state funding match, amongst others), it sounds like it's not enough of a TDOT priority to finish environmental studies.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on January 24, 2017, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler
From what I understand from reading multiple articles concerning I-69 in Tennessee, it appears that TDOT is going to punt on completing SIU-8 between I-155 and I-269 in Millington until the feds commit funding to complete environmental studies, ROW acquisition and construction.

Given that Federal highway funding is basically given as a block grant to the states, and it's up to the state as to what to do with it (subject to limitations such as which roads it can be used on and providing a state funding match, amongst others), it sounds like it's not enough of a TDOT priority to finish environmental studies.

I recall some years ago the Tennessee Legislature passed a bill authorizing toll roads with completing certain portions of I-69 in mind, but I think Tennessee would rather try to avoid building the Dyersburg-Millington section of I-69 if they could somehow convince the FHWA (and the states of Missouri and Arkansas) to route I-69 west along I-155 past Dyersburg and over the Mississippi River to I-55 near Hayti, Missouri, and then follow I-55 south to West Memphis, Arkansas.  Of course that would result in I-269 being an Interstate cul-de-sac at its northern end in Millington. 

Once I-69 is rerouted to West Memphis, Arkansas, one can make a decision for I-69 to cross back into Tennessee following I-55 and rejoin its originally planned route into Mississippi, or follow I-40 West to Little Rock and I-30 to Texarkana, where it could take over the planned I-369 spur route into Texas. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 25, 2017, 09:46:57 AM
Once I-69 is rerouted to West Memphis, Arkansas, one can make a decision for I-69 to cross back into Tennessee following I-55 and rejoin its originally planned route into Mississippi, or follow I-40 West to Little Rock and I-30 to Texarkana, where it could take over the planned I-369 spur route into Texas. 

I contend this is the more direct way to handle it. Spend the money that was going to be poured into I-69 and put it towards widening I-55, I-40, and I-30 along the inevitable multiplexes that would be created.

Or, instead of routing along I-55 and I-40, connect I-155 with the US 67 freeway.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on January 25, 2017, 06:02:53 PM
Once I-69 is rerouted to West Memphis, Arkansas, one can make a decision for I-69 to cross back into Tennessee following I-55 and rejoin its originally planned route into Mississippi, or follow I-40 West to Little Rock and I-30 to Texarkana, where it could take over the planned I-369 spur route into Texas. 

I contend this is the more direct way to handle it. Spend the money that was going to be poured into I-69 and put it towards widening I-55, I-40, and I-30 along the inevitable multiplexes that would be created.

Or, instead of routing along I-55 and I-40, connect I-155 with the US 67 freeway.

All well and good, but doing anything of the sort would require modifications to or a major rewrite of the HPC-18/20 authorizing legislation -- which wouldn't likely happen unless the congressional delegations of all five states affected -- along with those states' DOT's and the political structure that supports them -- would go along with the truncation and reroute.  And since it would affect AR and MS the most (bye-bye, Great River Bridge), such actions would likely stall or even die soon after introduction.  It's likely I-69 will be developed as planned, but on a very extended (close to glacial!) timeframe.   
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 26, 2017, 09:57:23 PM
I get the feeling that Tennessee wants the feds to pony up 100 percent of the costs of I-69, over and above what other highway money the state might get, since the construction of I-69 is basically a federal mandate -- and what amounts to an unfunded mandate of the money for 69 has to be siphoned from other projects Tennessee wants or needs more.

Of course, I don't think US 51 needs to be an interstate. It's fine as a four-lane surface route.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: cjk374 on January 27, 2017, 09:09:00 PM
Once I-69 is rerouted to West Memphis, Arkansas, one can make a decision for I-69 to cross back into Tennessee following I-55 and rejoin its originally planned route into Mississippi, or follow I-40 West to Little Rock and I-30 to Texarkana, where it could take over the planned I-369 spur route into Texas. 

I contend this is the more direct way to handle it. Spend the money that was going to be poured into I-69 and put it towards widening I-55, I-40, and I-30 along the inevitable multiplexes that would be created.

Or, instead of routing along I-55 and I-40, connect I-155 with the US 67 freeway.

This would be the biggest money saving move for Arkansas & Louisiana....maybe a couple million dollars of signs versus a few billion dollars of unneeded pavement in unneeded places.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on January 28, 2017, 02:35:57 AM
This would be the biggest money saving move for Arkansas & Louisiana....maybe a couple million dollars of signs versus a few billion dollars of unneeded pavement in unneeded places.

Except that it would kick I-69 completely out of LA and southern AR, and deny Shreveport the chance to complete its full loop. Unless Shreveport gets the I-49 Inner City Connector as a consolation, and US 165/US 425 is upgraded through LA/MS as a I-530 extension, there would be a revolt. Plus, that would violate the original HPC alignment passed by Congress for I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: cjk374 on January 28, 2017, 09:24:21 AM
This would be the biggest money saving move for Arkansas & Louisiana....maybe a couple million dollars of signs versus a few billion dollars of unneeded pavement in unneeded places.

Except that it would kick I-69 completely out of LA and southern AR, and deny Shreveport the chance to complete its full loop.

Shreveport really doesn't need I-69 to complete the loop. If they want it bad enough, they can build it.

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Unless Shreveport gets the I-49 Inner City Connector as a consolation, and US 165/US 425 is upgraded through LA/MS as a I-530 extension, there would be a revolt.

Personally, I don't see a problem with Shreveport getting the ICC built. It will take a lil bit more fighting with the NIMBYs, but I feel the DOTD will win.  I would also love to see the money planned to build I-69 shift to become funds for the US 165/425 upgrades. I feel like it would serve the public better.

Let them eat cake.  :-D

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Plus, that would violate the original HPC alignment passed by Congress for I-69.

HPCs can be rewritten & changed...right?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on January 29, 2017, 02:14:15 AM
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Plus, that would violate the original HPC alignment passed by Congress for I-69.

HPCs can be rewritten & changed...right?

In theory, yes -- they're just an amendable piece of legislation.  In practice, not so much.  The HPC's are often the closest thing to institutionalized earmarks in the federal transportation compendium; amending them without the approval of those representatives whose districts a corridor traverses is considered bad form by all but the most ideological of politicos (and can lead to loss of correspondent favors if not outright reprisals!).  The sole form of amendment to any of the 80-odd extant corridors that has passed muster to date is a reiterative corridor definition that adds a specific designation to one previously designated (such as HPC 72 overlaying HPC 1 but adding the I-49 designation to the language; HPC 10 was overwritten by HPC 45, which specified I-22 for the routing). 

However, the most common way to deal with a HPC that garners little local or national support after designation is to simply ignore it -- and just don't fund it!  Plenty of corridors have languished (e.g. 19, 43, 51) with little to show for the legislative effort save a "spot" project or two at best.  However, some corridors like HPC 18/I-69 have been around long enough to have built up a "lore" of sorts, whether positive or negative; that lore can, alternately, often publicize a corridor or call attention to its negative aspects.   
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on January 29, 2017, 02:22:48 AM
I certainly do not see Arkansas abandoning its portion of I-69 through the southern part of its state in favor of an I-40 and I-30 multiplexed routing to Texarkana. They're already building parts of the Monticello bypass. They have I-69 plans trying to go forward in the El Dorado and McGehee areas. But that route does involve a leap of faith that Mississippi can get its own portion of I-69 built and help fund construction of the Great River Bridge project.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 30, 2017, 07:46:05 AM
I certainly do not see Arkansas abandoning its portion of I-69 through the southern part of its state in favor of an I-40 and I-30 multiplexed routing to Texarkana. They're already building parts of the Monticello bypass. They have I-69 plans trying to go forward in the El Dorado and McGehee areas. But that route does involve a leap of faith that Mississippi can get its own portion of I-69 built and help fund construction of the Great River Bridge project.

If Arkansas can move forward with its portion then it would at least provide a nice alternative to US 278 and US 82 across the southern part of the state, assuming that the road is built completely with access control (unlike AR 530).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on January 30, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
Given the current crappy funding situation for highways I would not be surprised at all to see Arkansas treat its portion of the I-69 corridor the same way it has treated the Belle Vista bypass and AR-530 (future I-530 extension to I-69). Buy up the ROW needed, but only build a Super 2 road either with freeway style exits or just a limited number of at-grade intersections.

Individual states are being forced to pay most of the costs of these highway projects on their own. The federal government is no longer picking up a giant percentage of the tab. That's regardless of the fact the Interstate highway system does as much to benefit the entire nation on the whole as it does any individual state or local area. To compound the lunacy of the funding picture most states rely on flat gasoline tax levels that have done nothing at all to keep up with the insane price inflation rates of road construction costs. Oklahoma's funding model hasn't changed since the early 1990's. But I can guarantee no one anywhere (except maybe China) can build a new highway at early 1990's price levels.

When someone jokes, "we'll all probably be dead and gone before this road is finished," there is a lot more truth to it than mere humor.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 30, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
The juice is not there.  We shall see if State Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris (R) gives the nod to run for office of Governor.  There is a revolt going on in Tennessee at the moment in reference to road construction and taxing.  Middle Tennessee is growing leaps and bounds as compared to this area.  The current governor wants to raise the gas tax.  The majority of Tennesseans' are in opposition to this.

There is no juice and no cash to expand I-69 in NW Tennessee. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 31, 2017, 07:19:38 AM
The juice is not there.  We shall see if State Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris (R) gives the nod to run for office of Governor.  There is a revolt going on in Tennessee at the moment in reference to road construction and taxing.  Middle Tennessee is growing leaps and bounds as compared to this area.  The current governor wants to raise the gas tax.  The majority of Tennesseans' are in opposition to this.

There is no juice and no cash to expand I-69 in NW Tennessee. 

I know this is getting a bit off-topic, but I think that for the major freeways feeding into Nashville that clog up during rush hour (I-24 between downtown and Murfreesboro, I-65 between Franklin and downtown, and Vietnam Vets feeding into I-65), would benefit from toll lanes. Tennessee Highway Patrol heavily patrols the use of the HOV lanes, but the HOV lanes aren't having enough of an impact to reduce congestion, it would seem.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on January 31, 2017, 07:20:50 AM
The juice is not there.  We shall see if State Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris (R) gives the nod to run for office of Governor.  There is a revolt going on in Tennessee at the moment in reference to road construction and taxing.  Middle Tennessee is growing leaps and bounds as compared to this area.  The current governor wants to raise the gas tax.  The majority of Tennesseans' are in opposition to this.

There is no juice and no cash to expand I-69 in NW Tennessee.

With Trump's intent to renegotiate NAFTA, I would think the need for completing I-69 would become less a priority since there would no longer be the need for a seamless route from Canada to Mexico.  Most of the route has been finished north of Dyersburg, so I would say complete what's left to be finished between Indianapolis and Dyersburg, and call it good.  I'm curious if legislation will emerge in Congress to kill off I-69 south of Dyersburg, since there is no real need for the highway (and no real hope of it ever being built) south of that point.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on January 31, 2017, 10:17:23 AM
Progress should be allowed to continue on most of the I-69 projects in Texas regardless of NAFTA. There is well over one million people living in the Brownsville-Harlingen-McAllen-Edinburg MSA. It's by far the most populated area in the United States not directly connected to the rest of the Interstate highway system. It's pretty easy to justify a Houston-Corpus Christi Interstate connection. US-59 NE of Houston is a major trucking route, so that's another one that's easy to justify. Maybe those upgraded roads in Texas could carry a different Interstate number. But I don't know how costly it would be to change all those I-69 signs to something like "I-47".

Out of I-69 projects in Texas, I think the I-69W Victoria-George West-Freer-Laredo segment would be the very last to be completed. US-281 (I-69C) connects San Antonio with the far South Rio Grande Valley.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on January 31, 2017, 10:41:58 AM
The juice is not there.  We shall see if State Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris (R) gives the nod to run for office of Governor.  There is a revolt going on in Tennessee at the moment in reference to road construction and taxing.  Middle Tennessee is growing leaps and bounds as compared to this area.  The current governor wants to raise the gas tax.  The majority of Tennesseans' are in opposition to this.

There is no juice and no cash to expand I-69 in NW Tennessee.

With Trump's intent to renegotiate NAFTA, I would think the need for completing I-69 would become less a priority since there would no longer be the need for a seamless route from Canada to Mexico.  Most of the route has been finished north of Dyersburg, so I would say complete what's left to be finished between Indianapolis and Dyersburg, and call it good.  I'm curious if legislation will emerge in Congress to kill off I-69 south of Dyersburg, since there is no real need for the highway (and no real hope of it ever being built) south of that point.

I can't see Congress killing I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis, especially since I-269 needs a northern terminus for its loop around Greater Memphis, and I don't really think Memphis would take too kindly to being bypassed, which would especially happen if the Southern Gateway bypass was built and I-69 rerouted through there. (Would I-269 be extended along the old I-69 alignment between Tunica and I-55 if that happened?)

If the LA/southern AR/MS segments of I-69 were indeed revoked, then the Memphis/Union City/Evansville/Indianapolis segment should be redesignated with a new number...say, I-61 or I-63. Then, you could make a case for Laredo-Fleer-Corpus Christi-Victoria-Houston-Texarkana being I-47.

Still don't see it happening, since the consensus so far is to keep a single corridor defined by law.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Buck87 on January 31, 2017, 11:39:18 AM

If the LA/southern AR/MS segments of I-69 were indeed revoked, then the Memphis/Union City/Evansville/Indianapolis segment should be redesignated with a new number...say, I-61 or I-63. Then, you could make a case for Laredo-Fleer-Corpus Christi-Victoria-Houston-Texarkana being I-47.

I can agree on making the Texas portion I-47, but don't see any reason to change the number of the Indy-Memphis portion.

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on January 31, 2017, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK
I can't see Congress killing I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis, especially since I-269 needs a northern terminus for its loop around Greater Memphis, and I don't really think Memphis would take too kindly to being bypassed, which would especially happen if the Southern Gateway bypass was built and I-69 rerouted through there. (Would I-269 be extended along the old I-69 alignment between Tunica and I-55 if that happened?)

I think it would make more sense to build a new Mississippi River bridge near Tunica than 100 miles farther South where I-69 is currently proposed to cross.

A river crossing near Tunica would be more useful to a wider variety of traffic. It would do a lot more than just let gambling traffic on I-40 in Arkansas get to Tunica more easily. I-40 would have a more direct connection with I-22 and points farther Southeast. I-69 could possibly be directed on a route in Arkansas more likely to be built. If the bridge had tolls it would more likely generate the revenue needed to pay for itself. The Great River Bridge is not likely to have traffic counts high enough to place tolls on it; the entire thing would have to be funded with tax money.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on January 31, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
With Trump's intent to renegotiate NAFTA, I would think the need for completing I-69 would become less a priority since there would no longer be the need for a seamless route from Canada to Mexico.

HPC 18 has been there for 26 years and as a designated Interstate for 22 of those.  Somehow, I think the concept will outlast the Trump presidency, although any new development activities may be less forthcoming for the next few years (at least outside of TX and KY, where such impetus is motivated by local interests and the presence of existing facilities, respectively).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 06, 2017, 09:57:16 AM
Google maps has updated their satellite photos around Union City, Tenn.  It now shows the construction of Section 3 of Segment 7.

You can make out the roadbed and the interchanges with TN 184 and US 51

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4094609,-89.0908863,5035m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Anthony_JK on February 06, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK
I can't see Congress killing I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis, especially since I-269 needs a northern terminus for its loop around Greater Memphis, and I don't really think Memphis would take too kindly to being bypassed, which would especially happen if the Southern Gateway bypass was built and I-69 rerouted through there. (Would I-269 be extended along the old I-69 alignment between Tunica and I-55 if that happened?)

I think it would make more sense to build a new Mississippi River bridge near Tunica than 100 miles farther South where I-69 is currently proposed to cross.

A river crossing near Tunica would be more useful to a wider variety of traffic. It would do a lot more than just let gambling traffic on I-40 in Arkansas get to Tunica more easily. I-40 would have a more direct connection with I-22 and points farther Southeast. I-69 could possibly be directed on a route in Arkansas more likely to be built. If the bridge had tolls it would more likely generate the revenue needed to pay for itself. The Great River Bridge is not likely to have traffic counts high enough to place tolls on it; the entire thing would have to be funded with tax money.

The big issue, though, is that a Tunica Southern Crossing would be more suitable as either an extension of I-269 or a possible extension of I-22 to the west and northwest. Simply rerouting I-69 along I-30 and I-40 to West Memphis, then overlaying I-55 north of there would essentially bypass Metro Memphis, which would be a non-starter. The proposed location for the I-69 Mississippi River Bridge at least fills a feasible gap between the US 82 and US 49 bridges, while allowing for a direct access between Houston/Shreveport and Memphis.

I'm still under the assumption that I-69 will ultimately be built under its current alignment, even if delayed a bit due to funding issues. Simply pushing traffic onto existing corridors without upgrading them to meet the additional traffic is not smart planning, even if it saves money in the immediate smart term.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on February 06, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
I wasn't suggesting pushing I-69 onto I-40 and I-30. Nevertheless, a Mississippi River bridge crossing near Tunica (and possibly an extension of I-269 or I-22 to I-40) would be far more useful. My thought is that I-69 could cross there and cut down through Eastern Arkansas (from Marianna to Monticello and El Dorado on the way to Shreveport). I think it's more likely Arkansas would be able to build such an I-69 segment. Mississippi's financial situation casts a lot of doubt they'll be able to build their leg of I-69 in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on February 06, 2017, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280
I think it's more likely Arkansas would be able to build such an I-69 segment.

You have far more faith in Arkansas than the rest of us.  AHTD is only now getting a US 67 freeway up to Walnut Ridge and building some sort of bypass around Bella Vista.  Both have been on the books for a number of decades.  And at some point in the not too distant future, they'll have to address the I-55 river crossing with TDOT...it would not survive a "New Madrid" repeat (and it's questionable whether the I-40 DeSoto Bridge would, either).  All this points to priorities elsewhere and an unlikelihood of I-69 in Arkansas in the forseeable future.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on February 06, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280
I think it's more likely Arkansas would be able to build such an I-69 segment.

You have far more faith in Arkansas than the rest of us.  AHTD is only now getting a US 67 freeway up to Walnut Ridge and building some sort of bypass around Bella Vista.  Both have been on the books for a number of decades.  And at some point in the not too distant future, they'll have to address the I-55 river crossing with TDOT...it would not survive a "New Madrid" repeat (and it's questionable whether the I-40 DeSoto Bridge would, either).  All this points to priorities elsewhere and an unlikelihood of I-69 in Arkansas in the forseeable future.

Unless Congress brings back earmarks, which I don't see happening either.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on February 06, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
I didn't mean to imply the state of Arkansas was in great financial shape. But the state does appear to be in better economic shape than Mississippi. If Arkansas is going to complete road projects like US-67 (future I-57) and I-49 at a very slow, glacial pace I think Mississippi will make progress at an even slower pace.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 06, 2017, 03:34:25 PM
The Tunica (or north of Tunica) crossing into Arkansas would only be beneficial if you have a spur that would go west to about Forest City, so it would be some sort of bypass of Memphis.  Truth remains, though that if you cross the Mississippi that far north you not only have to span that river, but then require Arkansas to span the Arkansas River as well.  By putting the crossing near McGehee, you only have to cross the Mississippi (at a cost that would be close to that if done near Memphis).  Tis true, that the fact that there are only two crossings from Tenessee to Arkansas for almost 100 miles in each direction (OK, perhaps 50 miles to US49) will cause a major problem sometime in the future.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on February 06, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise
The Tunica (or north of Tunica) crossing into Arkansas would only be beneficial if you have a spur that would go west to about Forest City, so it would be some sort of bypass of Memphis.

I thought I suggested a Tunica Interstate crossing over the Mississippi hooking into I-40 in Arkansas. A few miles East of Forrest City would be good.

Quote from: Life in Paradise
Truth remains, though that if you cross the Mississippi that far north you not only have to span that river, but then require Arkansas to span the Arkansas River as well.  By putting the crossing near McGehee, you only have to cross the Mississippi (at a cost that would be close to that if done near Memphis).  Tis true, that the fact that there are only two crossings from Tenessee to Arkansas for almost 100 miles in each direction (OK, perhaps 50 miles to US49) will cause a major problem sometime in the future.

Another Arkansas River crossing would indeed be a penalty for putting that leg of I-69 on the West side of the Mississippi. But bridges over the Arkansas River do not need to be built nearly as high as those spanning the Mississippi. If the AR-1 bridge had adequate shoulders it could be incorporated into an I-69 route (with twin bridges spanning the river there). But it's not up to Interstate standards.

One bright side is people from Pine Bluff and other parts of SE Arkansas could make far more use of a Tunica crossing to the Memphis area than they would with one down at McGehee.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: adventurernumber1 on February 06, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
I think that the I-69 Great River Bridge should cross the Mississippi River where it is planned to do so. I also absolutely think that the Memphis area could use a third, large bridge across the river. I have always found I-69's planned routing across Arkansas to be quite peculiar - I don't seem to understand why it makes such a big bend in the state - is it meant to connect up with a possible I-530 extension?? Also, while I am aware that both Arkansas and Mississippi do not have much money to spend at all, and the possible fact that Mississippi is even worse off than Arkansas, AR will be quite busy with I-49 and a possible interstate designation for the US 67 corridor - perhaps I am to say that if we routed I-69 over the Mississippi River near Tunica, that would be giving AR a little too much of a burden when it comes to building interstates. While MS will be busy finishing up Interstate 22 and a possible future, far-fetched I-14 - which is all that I am aware of - it is not quite as much work as AR has on its platter. It would probably be best to route I-69 as is through that region of Mississippi, and it will even give the gambling region an interstate corridor.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: adventurernumber1 on February 07, 2017, 01:36:44 AM
Come to think of it, this is in the "I-69 in TN" thread, so we might be getting a bit off-topic. My apologies for contributing to the off-topic-ness.


EDIT: I'm no moderator, but since this has been a pretty lively discussion on I-69 in Mississippi and Arkansas, and where the I-69 Bridge should be, and more, it would probably be advised that this specific discussion be continued onto Page 4 of the "General I-69" thread: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13977.75
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on February 08, 2017, 09:32:56 PM
I think that the I-69 Great River Bridge should cross the Mississippi River where it is planned to do so. I also absolutely think that the Memphis area could use a third, large bridge across the river. I have always found I-69's planned routing across Arkansas to be quite peculiar - I don't seem to understand why it makes such a big bend in the state - is it meant to connect up with a possible I-530 extension?? Also, while I am aware that both Arkansas and Mississippi do not have much money to spend at all, and the possible fact that Mississippi is even worse off than Arkansas, AR will be quite busy with I-49 and a possible interstate designation for the US 67 corridor - perhaps I am to say that if we routed I-69 over the Mississippi River near Tunica, that would be giving AR a little too much of a burden when it comes to building interstates. While MS will be busy finishing up Interstate 22 and a possible future, far-fetched I-14 - which is all that I am aware of - it is not quite as much work as AR has on its platter. It would probably be best to route I-69 as is through that region of Mississippi, and it will even give the gambling region an interstate corridor.

The I-69 segment from Shreveport to Memphis was designed to address several regional issues:  the ongoing lack of development in Southern Arkansas (the presence of I-69 is intended to ameliorate the area's isolation), the lack of economic opportunity within the Mississippi Delta area along US 61, and the perceived need for a new (and possibly multimodal) bridge across the Mississippi River.  All are speculative, of course; as is the routing itself; its basic function can be accomplished by extant routings including a largely all-Interstate path that includes I-49, I-30, and I-40 -- although perennial congestion on the latter two may serve as an additional I-69 rationale.  That being said, the cross-AR route paralleling US 278 is specifically intended to segue straight to the Great River Bridge site, chosen because it's below the Arkansas River confluence with the Mississippi.  And, yes, the southern 530 (I- and AR) extension is intended to intersect I-69 west of Monticello; 530 south of Pine Bluff is legislatively a branch of the HPC 18/I-69 corridor.  However, all things considered, this segment of the I-69 overall corridor is widely considered to be the least pressing in terms of present or near-term need -- and equally considered to be the most politically motivated in terms of the planning & development process -- and broadly criticized as such.     
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on February 09, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Gov. Haslam is rolling out a push for a transportation funding bill (https://www.tn.gov/nexttennessee/topic/nt-the-improve-press-release) that includes increases in the gax tax and other fees; the accompanying project needs map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) shows several SIU 7 and SIU 8(!) projects being funded as part of the additional stream. It also includes the I-69/240 midtown widening project between I-40 and I-55.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: adventurernumber1 on February 09, 2017, 09:46:07 PM
I think that the I-69 Great River Bridge should cross the Mississippi River where it is planned to do so. I also absolutely think that the Memphis area could use a third, large bridge across the river. I have always found I-69's planned routing across Arkansas to be quite peculiar - I don't seem to understand why it makes such a big bend in the state - is it meant to connect up with a possible I-530 extension?? Also, while I am aware that both Arkansas and Mississippi do not have much money to spend at all, and the possible fact that Mississippi is even worse off than Arkansas, AR will be quite busy with I-49 and a possible interstate designation for the US 67 corridor - perhaps I am to say that if we routed I-69 over the Mississippi River near Tunica, that would be giving AR a little too much of a burden when it comes to building interstates. While MS will be busy finishing up Interstate 22 and a possible future, far-fetched I-14 - which is all that I am aware of - it is not quite as much work as AR has on its platter. It would probably be best to route I-69 as is through that region of Mississippi, and it will even give the gambling region an interstate corridor.

The I-69 segment from Shreveport to Memphis was designed to address several regional issues:  the ongoing lack of development in Southern Arkansas (the presence of I-69 is intended to ameliorate the area's isolation), the lack of economic opportunity within the Mississippi Delta area along US 61, and the perceived need for a new (and possibly multimodal) bridge across the Mississippi River.  All are speculative, of course; as is the routing itself; its basic function can be accomplished by extant routings including a largely all-Interstate path that includes I-49, I-30, and I-40 -- although perennial congestion on the latter two may serve as an additional I-69 rationale.  That being said, the cross-AR route paralleling US 278 is specifically intended to segue straight to the Great River Bridge site, chosen because it's below the Arkansas River confluence with the Mississippi.  And, yes, the southern 530 (I- and AR) extension is intended to intersect I-69 west of Monticello; 530 south of Pine Bluff is legislatively a branch of the HPC 18/I-69 corridor.  However, all things considered, this segment of the I-69 overall corridor is widely considered to be the least pressing in terms of present or near-term need -- and equally considered to be the most politically motivated in terms of the planning & development process -- and broadly criticized as such.     

Thank you for the information. I agree that Interstate 69 in Arkansas will probably be the last of it to be built.


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Now to stay on topic with Interstate 69 in Tennessee, I have a question about such. I feel silly for not knowing this already, and I also apologize if this has already been answered upthread, but what exactly is going to be the plan with Interstate 155?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on February 09, 2017, 09:56:30 PM
In short (and assuming the latter is ever built), I-155 will end at I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on February 10, 2017, 10:08:15 AM
Gov. Haslam is rolling out a push for a transportation funding bill (https://www.tn.gov/nexttennessee/topic/nt-the-improve-press-release) that includes increases in the gax tax and other fees; the accompanying project needs map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) shows several SIU 7 and SIU 8(!) projects being funded as part of the additional stream. It also includes the I-69/240 midtown widening project between I-40 and I-55.

So is this going to be voted on by the people or will this just be passed by the legislators? Are the chances good for it passing?

Also, I-65 from Nashville to the Kentucky State line and I-24 from I-40 to I-840 were listed in the projects list. I wonder if they're gonna involve adding new lanes.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Buck87 on February 10, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
Gov. Haslam is rolling out a push for a transportation funding bill (https://www.tn.gov/nexttennessee/topic/nt-the-improve-press-release) that includes increases in the gax tax and other fees; the accompanying project needs map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) shows several SIU 7 and SIU 8(!) projects being funded as part of the additional stream. It also includes the I-69/240 midtown widening project between I-40 and I-55.

So is this going to be voted on by the people or will this just be passed by the legislators? Are the chances good for it passing?

Also, I-65 from Nashville to the Kentucky State line and I-24 from I-40 to I-840 were listed in the projects list. I wonder if they're gonna involve adding new lanes.

The I-65 project has a vague title, but it does say an estimated cost of $397.4 Million for 51 miles, which sounds about right for 6 laning it, which is what that section needs IMO.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 10, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee:
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Joined by Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John Schroer, Haslam also released two transportation projects lists: a list of 181 backlogged projects that will not be completed or at least under contract until 2034; and a list of 765 new project needs that cannot be considered until 2022 at the earliest, if ever.
In a mild surprise to me, I-69 SIU 8 is included in the backlogged projects list (along with the remaining SIU 7 and SIU 9 projects), even though a Final Environmental Impact Statement has not been released ....
In a bit of a disappointment, the state line connection to Kentucky is considered a "new" project that cannot currently be considered until 2022, at the earliest
Gov. Haslam is rolling out a push for a transportation funding bill (https://www.tn.gov/nexttennessee/topic/nt-the-improve-press-release) that includes increases in the gax tax and other fees; the accompanying project needs map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) shows several SIU 7 and SIU 8(!) projects being funded as part of the additional stream. It also includes the I-69/240 midtown widening project between I-40 and I-55.

Al of the projects necessary to complete SIU 7 have apparently been included (including the Kentucky state line connection). It is interesting which SIU 8 projects were included: they are concentrated in Lauderdale County, in the middle of SIU 8. The IMPROVE Act map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) provides a good illustration:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_10_02_17_2_44_16.png)

I guess it was a "spread the wealth" approach to make it politically feasible.

Also, no new terrain SIU 9 projects were included. Maybe if the Lamar Avenue upgrades get the FASTLANE grant, then the money could be shifted to I-69 SIU 9.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on February 10, 2017, 03:12:24 PM

Gov. Haslam is rolling out a push for a transportation funding bill (https://www.tn.gov/nexttennessee/topic/nt-the-improve-press-release) that includes increases in the gax tax and other fees; the accompanying project needs map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) shows several SIU 7 and SIU 8(!) projects being funded as part of the additional stream. It also includes the I-69/240 midtown widening project between I-40 and I-55.

Al of the projects necessary to complete SIU 7 have apparently been included (including the Kentucky state line connection). It is interesting which SIU 8 projects were included: they are concentrated in Lauderdale County, in the middle of SIU 8. The IMPROVE Act map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) provides a good illustration:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_10_02_17_2_44_16.png)

I guess it was a "spread the wealth" approach to make it politically feasible.

Also, no new terrain SIU 9 projects were included. Maybe if the Lamar Avenue upgrades get the FASTLANE grant, then the money could be shifted to I-69 SIU 9.

That's great news. It's progress at least. Now I'm really hoping it passes (instead of wondering if it will) :sombrero:.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 11, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
I think that the I-69 Great River Bridge should cross the Mississippi River where it is planned to do so. I also absolutely think that the Memphis area could use a third, large bridge across the river. I have always found I-69's planned routing across Arkansas to be quite peculiar - I don't seem to understand why it makes such a big bend in the state - is it meant to connect up with a possible I-530 extension?? Also, while I am aware that both Arkansas and Mississippi do not have much money to spend at all, and the possible fact that Mississippi is even worse off than Arkansas, AR will be quite busy with I-49 and a possible interstate designation for the US 67 corridor - perhaps I am to say that if we routed I-69 over the Mississippi River near Tunica, that would be giving AR a little too much of a burden when it comes to building interstates. While MS will be busy finishing up Interstate 22 and a possible future, far-fetched I-14 - which is all that I am aware of - it is not quite as much work as AR has on its platter. It would probably be best to route I-69 as is through that region of Mississippi, and it will even give the gambling region an interstate corridor.

The I-69 segment from Shreveport to Memphis was designed to address several regional issues:  the ongoing lack of development in Southern Arkansas (the presence of I-69 is intended to ameliorate the area's isolation), the lack of economic opportunity within the Mississippi Delta area along US 61, and the perceived need for a new (and possibly multimodal) bridge across the Mississippi River.  All are speculative, of course; as is the routing itself; its basic function can be accomplished by extant routings including a largely all-Interstate path that includes I-49, I-30, and I-40 -- although perennial congestion on the latter two may serve as an additional I-69 rationale.  That being said, the cross-AR route paralleling US 278 is specifically intended to segue straight to the Great River Bridge site, chosen because it's below the Arkansas River confluence with the Mississippi.  And, yes, the southern 530 (I- and AR) extension is intended to intersect I-69 west of Monticello; 530 south of Pine Bluff is legislatively a branch of the HPC 18/I-69 corridor.  However, all things considered, this segment of the I-69 overall corridor is widely considered to be the least pressing in terms of present or near-term need -- and equally considered to be the most politically motivated in terms of the planning & development process -- and broadly criticized as such.     

Thank you for the information. I agree that Interstate 69 in Arkansas will probably be the last of it to be built.


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Now to stay on topic with Interstate 69 in Tennessee, I have a question about such. I feel silly for not knowing this already, and I also apologize if this has already been answered upthread, but what exactly is going to be the plan with Interstate 155?  :hmmm:

The I-69/I-155 Interchange will be built just to the west of Dyersburg.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Revive 755 on February 11, 2017, 08:42:49 PM
The I-69/I-155 Interchange will be built just to the west of Dyersburg.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf

Am I correct in assume only one of the two pairs of rest areas shown on that map is actually planned to be built and the other was just an alternative?  I do not recall Tennessee going for frequent rest areas as Iowa does on I-80 (seems to be one every 30 miles).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on February 11, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
TDOT hasn't gotten to the design stage, so the number of rest areas is up in the air at this point. I know there's also a welcome center planned for SIU 7 (but I don't think anything else is planned in either direction).

My guess is only one pair will ultimately be built to save costs, since existing US 51 just has one rest area between Millington and Dyersburg, but they may have different ideas.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Henry on February 13, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
Well, at least that's a start.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: aboges26 on February 14, 2017, 10:07:49 PM
The I-69/I-155 Interchange will be built just to the west of Dyersburg.

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/i-69s03.pdf

In the link to the map that you posted1, I notice I-155 written between where I-69 heads south and US 412 takes off southeast to Jackson, TN.  Is I-155 slated to stay signed on this segment for a possible extension down US 412 to I-40 if US 412 ever got upgraded to interstate?

The routing of I-69 between Memphis and I-155 seems to be a very strategic link to St. Louis for Memphis-St. Louis traffic to avoid crossing the Mississippi at the bottleneck that is the I-40/55 multiplex, especially by placing the interchange to the west of Dyersburg.  Furthermore, if US 412 was upgraded to interstate standards it would provide an alternative east-west interstate quality crossing of the Mississippi, providing a long detour/bypass around Memphis to the north (albeit far north).  Anyone know the earthquake rating of the I-155 bridge over the Mississippi?  Would it survive New Madrid quakes that the I-40 and I-50 bridges in Memphis?

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/35i1xue.jpg)

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(http://oi64.tinypic.com/9fsdh5.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on February 14, 2017, 10:27:32 PM
In the link to the map that you posted1, I notice I-155 written between where I-69 heads south and US 412 takes off southeast to Jackson, TN.  Is I-155 slated to stay signed on this segment for a possible extension down US 412 to I-40 if US 412 ever got upgraded to interstate?

I doubt it. US 412 to Jackson is a rural expressway with a 65 mph speed limit already, and I don't see TDOT upgrading the route more except maybe for spot safety improvements. If they were going to build it to freeway standards, they'd have done it when they built the TN 22 and US 51 freeways in the same region.

If it did have to be pressed into service as a temporary I-40 diversion route (or to replace the I-24 crossing at Paducah), TDOT could close pretty much all of the median crossings to keep traffic moving.

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Anyone know the earthquake rating of the I-155 bridge over the Mississippi?  Would it survive New Madrid quakes that the I-40 and I-50 bridges in Memphis?

I believe the I-155 bridge is at least as seismically safe as the I-40 ("new") bridge, as it dates from roughly the same period; both have had seismic retrofits since construction as well. The I-55 bridge will almost certainly collapse into the river in any big quake and retrofitting it has long been ruled out.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 14, 2017, 10:35:36 PM
Anyone know the earthquake rating of the I-155 bridge over the Mississippi?  Would it survive New Madrid quakes that the I-40 and I-50 bridges in Memphis?

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6535.msg2088849#msg2088849

This June 2011 study (http://www.southerngatewayproject.com/library/CP-1%20Package%20with%20Agency%20Lts%20and%20Responses.pdf) discusses which bridges may collapse if there is another "big one" (page 22/112 of pdf; page 18 of document):
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North of Memphis:
• I-155 in Dyersburg, Tennessee (75 miles north of Memphis) – This bridge is likely to collapse during an earthquake similar to the 1811-1812 events that occurred in the NMSZ ....
This article about repairs being made to the I-155 bridge (http://www.stategazette.com/story/2224733.html) made me think of this thread because of the understated way it discusses the potential impact of a large earthquake on the bridge:
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The I-155 Caruthersville Bridge is the northernmost bridge over the Lower Mississippi River, with the combined flow of the Upper Mississippi and the Ohio River ....
The Caruthersville Bridge sits in a geologically interesting place in that it is only 6 miles from the New Madrid Fault. A 1993/1994 study found that bedrock was located 2700 feet under the surface, so a significant earthquake event would almost certainly create severe liquefaction. The bridge as it stands would not hold up to liquefaction.
Otherwise, the article has some interesting historical and other information about the bridge.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: aboges26 on February 14, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Anyone know the earthquake rating of the I-155 bridge over the Mississippi?  Would it survive New Madrid quakes that the I-40 and I-50 bridges in Memphis?

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6535.msg2088849#msg2088849

This June 2011 study (http://www.southerngatewayproject.com/library/CP-1%20Package%20with%20Agency%20Lts%20and%20Responses.pdf) discusses which bridges may collapse if there is another "big one" (page 22/112 of pdf; page 18 of document):
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North of Memphis:
• I-155 in Dyersburg, Tennessee (75 miles north of Memphis) – This bridge is likely to collapse during an earthquake similar to the 1811-1812 events that occurred in the NMSZ ....
This article about repairs being made to the I-155 bridge (http://www.stategazette.com/story/2224733.html) made me think of this thread because of the understated way it discusses the potential impact of a large earthquake on the bridge:
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The I-155 Caruthersville Bridge is the northernmost bridge over the Lower Mississippi River, with the combined flow of the Upper Mississippi and the Ohio River ....
The Caruthersville Bridge sits in a geologically interesting place in that it is only 6 miles from the New Madrid Fault. A 1993/1994 study found that bedrock was located 2700 feet under the surface, so a significant earthquake event would almost certainly create severe liquefaction. The bridge as it stands would not hold up to liquefaction.
Otherwise, the article has some interesting historical and other information about the bridge.

Thank you for directing me, that sure makes me feel better to know its chances! 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on February 21, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
The Jackson Tourism website (http://jacksontn.com/tourism/news/detail/165) has posted an article about the August 28 groundbreaking for the Memphis I-55/(currently unsigned) I-69 Welcome Center that projects an opening in Fall 2016
This October 5 article (http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2015/10/05/state-begins-construction-on-futuristic-new.html), which includes four slides depicting what the I-55/69 Welcome Center will look like, reports that the construction permit was obtained on October 2

This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/money/2017/02/20/-55-center-designed-not-equipped-net-zero-energy-use/98150746/) (with an accompanying video) reports that the I-55/69 Welcome Center is now scheduled to open in mid-Spring and that it will not be a fully net-zero building at opening:

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Tennessee's newest Welcome Center in Memphis is designed — but not equipped — to use less energy than it generates when it opens in mid-spring.
The Welcome Center, perched off the northbound Interstate 55 lanes in Whitehaven, is nearly ready to offer travelers entering Tennessee from Mississippi a break as well as the usual information on things to do and see in Memphis and Tennessee.
Construction crews are down to the small, punch-list chores in completing the $2.1 million building.
But one item not on the to-do list: Installing enough solar panels to allow the building to generate as much or more electricity than it consumes. Such buildings are also known as "net-zero energy'' structures.
As built, the Welcome Center's photo voltaic solar array appears to cover less than half the south-facing rooftop. The panels are enough to generate 22 percent of the power needed for a net-zero building.

"We didn't have additional funds available,'' Nichole Lawrence, spokeswoman for the Tennessee Department of Transportation, said in an email. "The state may be able to add additional panels through an 'Energy Grant' as 'Federal' and/or 'State' programs are implemented and/or reauthorized.''
If and when that money becomes available, expanding the solar array will be easy, said architect Matt Seltzer of archimania.
Archimania designed the building to provide plenty of space to enlarge the solar-panel system "in a plug-and-play sort of manner until you either replaced or exceeded the amount of energy needed to keep this thing running over the course of a year,'' Seltzer said ....
The old welcome center on the same 14-acre site was demolished in spring 2012. The project was delayed in 2013 when bids came in over budget, forcing the state to redesign and rebid the work.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on March 01, 2017, 09:00:59 PM
This Jan. 25 article (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/politics/state/story/2017/jan/25/tennessee-sends-11-billion-seven-road-wish-list-trump/409517/) reports that I-69 in Obion County (SIU 7) was among seven projects submitted to the Trump Administration for consideration in the infrastructure plan:

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The Haslam administration has submitted a seven-item list of priority state road projects totaling $1.16 billion for President Donald Trump's administration to consider.
Tennessee is among states that have offered up such lists of "shovel ready" but unfunded projects to the National Governors Association at the request of Trump's then-transition team ....
The Volunteer State list includes a stretch of U.S. 127 in Cumberland and Fentress counties north of Chattanooga.
Trump's request didn't seek cost estimates but figures provided Wednesday by the Haslam officials to the Times Free Press shows a price tag on the planned improvements of the highway and bridges is projected at $159.4 million ....
In addition to U.S. 127, other projects on the list being forwarded to the Trump administration are:
* Alcoa Highway - Knox County/Blount County - $183.1 million
* Lamar Avenue - Memphis - $252 million
* I-440 - Nashville - $50 million
* State Route 109 - Wilson County - $18.5 million
* I-40 - Jackson - $66.3 million
* I-69 - Obion County - $236.7 million.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 19, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
Al of the projects necessary to complete SIU 7 have apparently been included (including the Kentucky state line connection). It is interesting which SIU 8 projects were included: they are concentrated in Lauderdale County, in the middle of SIU 8. The IMPROVE Act map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) provides a good illustration:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_10_02_17_2_44_16.png)
I guess it was a "spread the wealth" approach to make it politically feasible.
Also, no new terrain SIU 9 projects were included. Maybe if the Lamar Avenue upgrades get the FASTLANE grant, then the money could be shifted to I-69 SIU 9.

This article (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/politics/state/story/2017/apr/19/haslam-optimistic-gtax-bill-vote-today-oppone/423564/) reports that Gov. Haslam's IMPROVE Act legislation passed the Tennessee House and Senate today. It has to go back to the House for some minor reconciliation language, but it appears to be a done deal:

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The state House this afternoon approved Tennessee's first gas tax increase in 28 years, voting 60-37 for Republican Gov. Bill Haslam's proposed IMPROVE Act.
Senators quickly followed suit, voting 25-6 for the measure.
But the Senate-passed bill will have to go back to the House because it differs from the lower chamber's version.
The House vote came at the end of a nearly 4 1/2 hour debate in which the Republican majority warred with itself over the fuel increases to help the state tackle an estimated $10.5 billion backlog of 962 specifically identified road and bridge projects across the state ....

Now, in regard to SIU 8 and the Lauderdale County projects (as well as the Kentucky state line section), TDOT needs to hurry up and finish the respective Final Environmental Impact Statements and submit them to the FHWA for Records of Decision.
Title: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on April 19, 2017, 08:25:15 PM
Al of the projects necessary to complete SIU 7 have apparently been included (including the Kentucky state line connection). It is interesting which SIU 8 projects were included: they are concentrated in Lauderdale County, in the middle of SIU 8. The IMPROVE Act map (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) provides a good illustration:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_10_02_17_2_44_16.png)
I guess it was a "spread the wealth" approach to make it politically feasible.
Also, no new terrain SIU 9 projects were included. Maybe if the Lamar Avenue upgrades get the FASTLANE grant, then the money could be shifted to I-69 SIU 9.

This article (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/politics/state/story/2017/apr/19/haslam-optimistic-gtax-bill-vote-today-oppone/423564/) reports that Gov. Haslam's IMPROVE Act legislation passed the Tennessee House and Senate today. It has to go back to the House for some minor reconciliation language, but it appears to be a done deal:

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The state House this afternoon approved Tennessee's first gas tax increase in 28 years, voting 60-37 for Republican Gov. Bill Haslam's proposed IMPROVE Act.
Senators quickly followed suit, voting 25-6 for the measure.
But the Senate-passed bill will have to go back to the House because it differs from the lower chamber's version.
The House vote came at the end of a nearly 4 1/2 hour debate in which the Republican majority warred with itself over the fuel increases to help the state tackle an estimated $10.5 billion backlog of 962 specifically identified road and bridge projects across the state ....

Now, in regard to SIU 8 and the Lauderdale County projects (as well as the Kentucky state line section), TDOT needs to hurry up and finish the respective Final Environmental Impact Statements and submit them to the FHWA for Records of Decision.

That's great news. One step closer to completion between Indy and Memphis.

Also, it gets me a little closer to the prediction I made last year :bigass:. Although Section 6 in IN will cut it close
I wouldn't be suprised if, in the next decade, I-69 goes all the way from the TN-KY border near Fulton all the way to Canada.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on April 20, 2017, 08:15:45 AM
IMO if I-69 is completed northeast of Dyersburg it would be a functional corridor. I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis would be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on April 20, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
IMO if I-69 is completed northeast of Dyersburg it would be a functional corridor. I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis would be icing on the cake.

I agree. I think they can slowly work their way down to Memphis once they get SIU 7 done.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Henry on April 20, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
IMO if I-69 is completed northeast of Dyersburg it would be a functional corridor. I-69 between Dyersburg and Memphis would be icing on the cake.

I agree. I think they can slowly work their way down to Memphis once they get SIU 7 done.
It would be great to have a direct connection between Indy and Memphis. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but hopefully soon.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on May 08, 2017, 11:08:38 AM
I emailed TDOT a couple of weeks ago after the IMPROVE Act passed. I asked them about when they were going to list the projects they will be doing for their 3 year plan and also about the I-69 SIU 7. Here's the reply I got.

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The overall time frame for delivering projects on the Improve Act list is 13-14 years.  As far as the schedule for individual projects, we are currently working to develop a prioritization list for the next 3 years.  Please continue to visit our website at http://www.tn.gov/tdot/ over the upcoming days for a listing of these projects.

The I-69 SIU 7 from Troy to the Kentucky State Line has several construction projects that are at differing phases of development. Starting south and working towards the Kentucky they are as follows:

1)      From 1.2 miles south of SR  183 to 0.2 miles south of SR 21 (Troy/Rives Road)—the construction plans are near completion.
2)      From South of SR 21 (Troy/Rives Road) to South of SR 3 (US 51)—the construction plans are near completion.
3)      South of SR5 to West of SR 21-  this project is being staged constructed— we have already let a grade and drain project to a contractor and will follow up with a paving project to be let to contract in the future.
4)      From South of SR 5 to West of SR 21—this project is being staged constructed—we have already let a grade and drain project to a contractor and will follow up with a paving project to be let to contract in the future.
5)      From West of SR 21 to SR 3 (US 51) near Mayberry Road—the construction plans are near completion on this section as well.
6)      From Rogers Rd in Kentucky to SR 3 (US 45 W & US 51) in Obion County (5.0 miles)—this section is currently in the Environmental Phase with Preliminary Engineering  phase to follow.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on May 08, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
I emailed TDOT a couple of weeks ago after the IMPROVE Act passed. I asked them about when they were going to list the projects they will be doing for their 3 year plan and also about the I-69 SIU 7. Here's the reply I got.

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The overall time frame for delivering projects on the Improve Act list is 13-14 years.  As far as the schedule for individual projects, we are currently working to develop a prioritization list for the next 3 years.  Please continue to visit our website at http://www.tn.gov/tdot/ over the upcoming days for a listing of these projects.

The I-69 SIU 7 from Troy to the Kentucky State Line has several construction projects that are at differing phases of development. Starting south and working towards the Kentucky they are as follows:

1)      From 1.2 miles south of SR  183 to 0.2 miles south of SR 21 (Troy/Rives Road)—the construction plans are near completion.
2)      From South of SR 21 (Troy/Rives Road) to South of SR 3 (US 51)—the construction plans are near completion.
3)      South of SR5 to West of SR 21-  this project is being staged constructed— we have already let a grade and drain project to a contractor and will follow up with a paving project to be let to contract in the future.
4)      From South of SR 5 to West of SR 21—this project is being staged constructed—we have already let a grade and drain project to a contractor and will follow up with a paving project to be let to contract in the future.
5)      From West of SR 21 to SR 3 (US 51) near Mayberry Road—the construction plans are near completion on this section as well.
6)      From Rogers Rd in Kentucky to SR 3 (US 45 W & US 51) in Obion County (5.0 miles)—this section is currently in the Environmental Phase with Preliminary Engineering  phase to follow.

Looks like only 2 of the 6 segments have been let; the remainder in various planning stages -- with no time frame attached.  Not really all that encouraging for the near term -- probably completion is at least 7-10 years out.  This doesn't portend well for SIU 8 within a 20/25-or-so-year window!
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: I-39 on May 08, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
So when will we see a completed section of I-69 in Tennessee?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on May 08, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
So when will we see a completed section of I-69 in Tennessee?

Don't hold your breath!  The existing US 51 freeway needs at least inside shoulder widening from Dyersburg to Troy; there may be a few under height bridges to deal with as well.  The bypasses of Troy and Union City, while in progress, really don't connect to anything at their ends as of yet -- and the previous few posts indicate the rather slow process to get the remainder to the KY line developed.  I wouldn't expect to see the first I-69 reassurance signs for at least 5-7 years (and that's being optimistic!).   
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 08, 2017, 03:07:28 PM
I emailed TDOT a couple of weeks ago after the IMPROVE Act passed. I asked them about when they were going to list the projects they will be doing for their 3 year plan and also about the I-69 SIU 7. Here's the reply I got.
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.... 6)     From Rogers Rd in Kentucky to SR 3 (US 45 W & US 51) in Obion County (5.0 miles)—this section is currently in the Environmental Phase with Preliminary Engineering  phase to follow.

I can't tell if they chose Alternative 1 or Alternative 2 from the December, 2015 meeting (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2146133#msg2146133):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_25_05_16_11_54_38.png)

I guess they are still trying to figure it out in the environmental phase.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on May 08, 2017, 08:15:23 PM
So when will we see a completed section of I-69 in Tennessee?

Don't hold your breath!  The existing US 51 freeway needs at least inside shoulder widening from Dyersburg to Troy; there may be a few under height bridges to deal with as well.  The bypasses of Troy and Union City, while in progress, really don't connect to anything at their ends as of yet -- and the previous few posts indicate the rather slow process to get the remainder to the KY line developed.  I wouldn't expect to see the first I-69 reassurance signs for at least 5-7 years (and that's being optimistic!).   

I'm sure the inner shoulder will get a design exception. AFAIK none of the bridges are posted and, I believe, date from the 80s, so I'm pretty sure they were built to modern height standards (unlike the Kentucky parkways that weren't even built to the Interstate standards of the day).

A continuous freeway (with an interim configuration at South Fulton to close the median) could be in place within 5 years if TDOT acquires ROW and lets all 3 segments (except #6, which is more of a housekeeping item necessary for the long-term but not for current volumes) at once. My guess though is that it gets piecemealed over a longer period unless there's a big influx of federal money for shovel-ready projects.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 09, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)

There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)

No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on May 09, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)

Is TnDOT planning on widening this segment of 69/240?  It's certainly been in service for a while -- driven on it several times myself in the '90's and early '00's.  Since the I-40 interchange was rebuilt years ago, does this project involve the reconfiguration of the I-55 interchange at the south end -- or is it simply addressing the freeway in between the interchanges as a stand-alone project? 

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on May 09, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)

Is TnDOT planning on widening this segment of 69/240?  It's certainly been in service for a while -- driven on it several times myself in the '90's and early '00's.  Since the I-40 interchange was rebuilt years ago, does this project involve the reconfiguration of the I-55 interchange at the south end -- or is it simply addressing the freeway in between the interchanges as a stand-alone project? 



Yes, I believe this is for a widening project. I would imagine that at that point TDOT may elect to apply to extend I-69 north to I-40.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: lordsutch on May 10, 2017, 02:44:45 AM
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)

Is TnDOT planning on widening this segment of 69/240?  It's certainly been in service for a while -- driven on it several times myself in the '90's and early '00's.  Since the I-40 interchange was rebuilt years ago, does this project involve the reconfiguration of the I-55 interchange at the south end -- or is it simply addressing the freeway in between the interchanges as a stand-alone project? 

Yep, TDOT is planning to add a lane in each direction, partially by narrowing the lanes to 11' from 12' to minimize the needed ROW. The plans I saw back in the day (early 2000s) would also remove some of the loop ramps at South Parkway and improve a few of the other ramps.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: I-39 on May 20, 2017, 11:58:13 AM
So what are the plans to address US 51/Chickasaw Dr interchange? They'll need to fix that before the I-69 designation comes into TN.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 23, 2017, 04:03:18 PM
This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/money/2017/02/20/-55-center-designed-not-equipped-net-zero-energy-use/98150746/) (with an accompanying video) reports that the I-55/69 Welcome Center is now scheduled to open in mid-Spring and that it will not be a fully net-zero building at opening

This TV video (http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/new-state-of-the-art-tennessee-welcome-center-nearly-completed/718934110) reports that the opening for the I-55/69 Welcome Center is scheduled for June 23, should anyone be traveling that way this summer:

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Welcome to Tennessee. After more than three years, construction on a new welcome center is nearly completed ....
The Visitor Center has been designed to be Net-Zero Energy, meaning the building can generate more energy than it uses over the course of a year ....
The welcome center will have a help desk, family restrooms, a pet walk, and parking for big rigs and RV's ....
The welcome center officially opens June 23rd.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 24, 2017, 07:32:39 PM
I recently emailed TDOT with some questions about the various projects.

First, as expected, the goal is to finish SIU 7 first:

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Q: It looks like four SIU 7 projects are covered in the 3-yr. plan. Looking ahead, after the three years, is the next I-69 project scheduled to be from 1.2 miles south of SR 183 to 0.2 miles south of SR 21?
A: Yes, the goal is to complete all the sections for SIU 7 so that section will probably show up after the current three year plan.

Then, there is complicated coordination with Kentucky about the state line section:

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Q: Then, it seems like the state line section would be next, if ready. Have TDOT and KYTC chosen the corridor yet?
A: The state line section will depend on when it is ready.  At this time it depends on when Kentucky will complete their environmental document and the Bi-State agreement between states on the scope of work.

Finally, the wait for a SIU 8 Record of Decison (ROD) could be a couple of years away:

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Q: Finally, how is the FEIS on SIU 8 progressing? When do you expect a ROD on it?
A: I don't anticipate having a ROD until 2019 at the earliest.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: I-39 on May 24, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
I recently emailed TDOT with some questions about the various projects.

First, as expected, the goal is to finish SIU 7 first:

Quote
Q: It looks like four SIU 7 projects are covered in the 3-yr. plan. Looking ahead, after the three years, is the next I-69 project scheduled to be from 1.2 miles south of SR 183 to 0.2 miles south of SR 21?
A: Yes, the goal is to complete all the sections for SIU 7 so that section will probably show up after the current three year plan.

Then, there is complicated coordination with Kentucky about the state line section:

Quote
Q: Then, it seems like the state line section would be next, if ready. Have TDOT and KYTC chosen the corridor yet?
A: The state line section will depend on when it is ready.  At this time it depends on when Kentucky will complete their environmental document and the Bi-State agreement between states on the scope of work.

Finally, the wait for a SIU 8 Record of Decison (ROD) could be a couple of years away:

Quote
Q: Finally, how is the FEIS on SIU 8 progressing? When do you expect a ROD on it?
A: I don't anticipate having a ROD until 2019 at the earliest.

So the sections that are funded in the three year plan, are they going to be completed all the way and opened to traffic, or are they just grading and paving will come later (like the current situation)?

Also, are there any preliminary maps regarding what they are considering at the state line (or any info in general)?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: brycecordry on July 29, 2017, 12:33:32 AM
Also, are there any preliminary maps regarding what they are considering at the state line (or any info in general)?

This is nothing official, but here is my concept. But then again state politicians always seem to create problems that are not there! :-)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1URDteA8SWyaEIyb2tEV1I1Zjg/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on July 29, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
Also, are there any preliminary maps regarding what they are considering at the state line (or any info in general)?

This is nothing official, but here is my concept. But then again state politicians always seem to create problems that are not there! :-)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1URDteA8SWyaEIyb2tEV1I1Zjg/view?usp=sharing

That looks nice! Looks like it takes up minimal ROW
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on July 29, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
^ But it would run afoul of the northbound weigh station just north of the state line (and his rendering) unless he did something similar to what I did (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3618.msg2001930#msg2001930).

His is a bit more minimalist than mine, which may help with funding and construction.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: brycecordry on July 29, 2017, 07:43:43 PM
^ But it would run afoul of the northbound weigh station just north of the state line (and his rendering) unless he did something similar to what I did (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3618.msg2001930#msg2001930).

His is a bit more minimalist than mine, which may help with funding and construction.

They could add a little slip-ramp at the north end of the curve to lead to the NB entrance ramp, which would become a C/D road. After the exits for Eastwood Dr and the Weigh Station, the entrance ramp could merge on.

And yes, almost all of my designs are minimalist. My concept for I-70 widening across Missouri utilizes only the median for the added room, and on my planned I-45 extension to Sault Ste. Marie, MI, about 75% of the route is along existing divided highway.

Maybe that will help me advocate for my plans. :-)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mgk920 on July 29, 2017, 10:20:01 PM
Thoughts that I posted a year or two ago had better separation between the interstate freeway traffic and the local road network, especially with that school in the SW quadrant of the current interchange and the need to establish and maintain safe and convenient non-freeway connections between it and the city to the east.

Mike

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on July 30, 2017, 02:33:39 PM
I never understood the rationale for building a weigh station there. This is the only weigh station on a Kentucky parkway (the only other non-interstate semi-permanent weigh station I know of is on US 23 at the Floyd-Johnson county line, and I'd imagine it's not staffed all that often now due to the decline in coal truck traffic.) I'm pretty sure the construction of the Purchase Parkway in Kentucky predates the four-lane alignments of both US 51/45W and US 45E. I don't know the history of the weigh station or when it was built. I can foresee eliminating it and the KY 116/KY 166 interchange if necessary, since those routes can be accessed by either US 45 or the old US 51 alignment through Fulton.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 31, 2017, 08:34:30 PM
It is the only Parkway that actually terminates at a state line.  It could be that at the time the state received grant money from the Feds since it was at the state line.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on August 06, 2017, 01:24:27 AM
I never understood the rationale for building a weigh station there. This is the only weigh station on a Kentucky parkway (the only other non-interstate semi-permanent weigh station I know of is on US 23 at the Floyd-Johnson county line, and I'd imagine it's not staffed all that often now due to the decline in coal truck traffic.) I'm pretty sure the construction of the Purchase Parkway in Kentucky predates the four-lane alignments of both US 51/45W and US 45E. I don't know the history of the weigh station or when it was built. I can foresee eliminating it and the KY 116/KY 166 interchange if necessary, since those routes can be accessed by either US 45 or the old US 51 alignment through Fulton.

I wasn't really paying attention to "entry" facilities the times I've driven through KY (always driving a passenger car or SUV); so I don't know how extensive the weigh-station aspect of those facilities is.  So the question I'm throwing out there is:  are there weigh station facilities at most -- or even every -- Interstate entrances to the state?  If that is the case, it would seem that the facility on the Purchase Parkway is "the exception that proves the rule", likely placed because that is the only limited-access facility outside the Interstate system that crosses a state line.       
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on August 06, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
I never understood the rationale for building a weigh station there. This is the only weigh station on a Kentucky parkway (the only other non-interstate semi-permanent weigh station I know of is on US 23 at the Floyd-Johnson county line, and I'd imagine it's not staffed all that often now due to the decline in coal truck traffic.) I'm pretty sure the construction of the Purchase Parkway in Kentucky predates the four-lane alignments of both US 51/45W and US 45E. I don't know the history of the weigh station or when it was built. I can foresee eliminating it and the KY 116/KY 166 interchange if necessary, since those routes can be accessed by either US 45 or the old US 51 alignment through Fulton.

I wasn't really paying attention to "entry" facilities the times I've driven through KY (always driving a passenger car or SUV); so I don't know how extensive the weigh-station aspect of those facilities is.  So the question I'm throwing out there is:  are there weigh station facilities at most -- or even every -- Interstate entrances to the state?  If that is the case, it would seem that the facility on the Purchase Parkway is "the exception that proves the rule", likely placed because that is the only limited-access facility outside the Interstate system that crosses a state line.     

There are weigh stations on I-64 eastbound between Shelbyville and Frankfort, I-75 and I-71 south of their respective splits, I-75 north beyond Corbin, and I-24 eastbound beyond the Cumberland River. (Not sure about I-24 west beyond the Tennessee line.)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on August 06, 2017, 11:15:15 PM
I never understood the rationale for building a weigh station there. This is the only weigh station on a Kentucky parkway (the only other non-interstate semi-permanent weigh station I know of is on US 23 at the Floyd-Johnson county line, and I'd imagine it's not staffed all that often now due to the decline in coal truck traffic.) I'm pretty sure the construction of the Purchase Parkway in Kentucky predates the four-lane alignments of both US 51/45W and US 45E. I don't know the history of the weigh station or when it was built. I can foresee eliminating it and the KY 116/KY 166 interchange if necessary, since those routes can be accessed by either US 45 or the old US 51 alignment through Fulton.

I wasn't really paying attention to "entry" facilities the times I've driven through KY (always driving a passenger car or SUV); so I don't know how extensive the weigh-station aspect of those facilities is.  So the question I'm throwing out there is:  are there weigh station facilities at most -- or even every -- Interstate entrances to the state?  If that is the case, it would seem that the facility on the Purchase Parkway is "the exception that proves the rule", likely placed because that is the only limited-access facility outside the Interstate system that crosses a state line.     

There are weigh stations on I-64 eastbound between Shelbyville and Frankfort, I-75 and I-71 south of their respective splits, I-75 north beyond Corbin, and I-24 eastbound beyond the Cumberland River. (Not sure about I-24 west beyond the Tennessee line.)

Since those mentioned are quite some distance from the state entrance point on any given Interstate route, it may indicate that once the Purchase is eventually signed as I-69 any weigh station could conceivably be located anywhere along its length; placing it near the state line itself wouldn't be deemed necessary.  That would certainly simplify the design aspects of the line-crossing segment near Fulton.  But whether or not to attempt to retain the current facility at or adjacent to its present location for the sake of economy would be something that would have to be determined before a design is finalized for this segment of I-69. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on September 14, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
This TV video (http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/new-state-of-the-art-tennessee-welcome-center-nearly-completed/718934110) reports that the opening for the I-55/69 Welcome Center is scheduled for June 23, should anyone be traveling that way this summer:
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The welcome center officially opens June 23rd.

The grand opening was delayed because of bad weather (http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/money/business/development/2017/06/26/new-55-welcome-center-memphis-verge-opening/429249001/):

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Design changes delayed it. So did high bids and budget issues as well as utility and drainage work and, most recently, foul weather.
But now, the new Welcome Center is finally on the verge of opening for northbound motorists entering Memphis on I-55/69.
In fact, a grand opening had been set for last Friday, but state officials postponed the ceremony because of the threat of severe weather, said Pete Rosenboro, assistant commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Tourism Development.
"We are currently discussing the new date,'' he said by email on Monday.

On July 13, the welcome center started hosting guests (http://www.mckenziebanner.com/site/general/2017/07/13/tennessee-opens-i-55-memphis-welcome-center/):

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The new I-55 Memphis Welcome Center is officially hosting guests, the Tennessee Departments of Transportation and Tourist Development announced today.
“This facility replaces what was the state’s oldest Welcome Center,” TDOT Commissioner John Schroer said. “I’m pleased we can offer visitors a state-of-the-art facility, while also preserving a bit of the history from the past." ....
The I-55 Center is located at 3910 northbound Interstate 55, Tennessee Mile Marker 3.10. A ceremonial “grand opening” will occur in coming months.

However, the grand opening ribbon-cutting was supposed to take place this morning (although the article covering it has disappeared from the OKMemphis website). At any rate, one can drive to it and visit it.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on April 10, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
The interchange between US 51 and I-69 in Union City is currently under construction.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Brooks on April 11, 2018, 12:45:07 AM
The interchange between US 51 and I-69 in Union City is currently under construction.

it has been since 2016
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 11, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
That Union City bypass is being constructed comically far from the city to the north.  They should have tied back into US 51 where it curves east and improve the existing road to SR 22.  Probably could've saved enough money to buy another few miles of freeway conversion elsewhere in the corridor.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on April 11, 2018, 03:05:39 PM
I don't understand why they didn't try utilizing part of the existing Union City bypass.  It's already limited-access and though it'd be a tight fit in some spots, they reasonably could have upgraded it to fully controlled access.  At a minimum, they could have used the north leg (east-west running) of the bypass without much issue.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 11, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
How long before the entire Interstate 69 Union City Bypass is completed to the Purchase Parkway? I assume it will be quite a while?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 12, 2018, 08:58:40 AM
Here's what I was talking about upthread:
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n208/triplemultiplex/Bypasses/Union%20City%20TN_zpsxl029gy4.png)

Threw that together in Google Earth since I was at work at the time.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on April 12, 2018, 09:09:13 AM
^ Generally along the lines of what I mentioned in my "At a minimum" sentence.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on April 12, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
I never understood that wide routing myself. As for a Purchase Parkway connection, the only thing that needs to be done is reconstruction of the US 51/US 45/US 45E/US 45W interchange in Tennessee, and probably a reworking of Exit 0 in Kentucky as well. After that, and with the work that's being done south of Union City, really the only thing that would be required is conversion of the toll booth cloverleaf at the Wingo exit and the route could be signed all the way to US 412/I-155.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on April 12, 2018, 10:52:52 PM
^ A quick web search found that the Wingo interchange made KYTC's 6-year plan and is currently scheduled for 2023.

IMO, any proper reworking of the 51/45/E/W interchange will impact Exit 0.  IMO, I'd shut it down (it's horribly sub-standard anyway), move the weigh station further north, and covert the northbound side of Exit 1 into a folded-diamond.  This would allow proper ramp spacing from the 51/45/E/W interchange to the weigh station, and from the weigh station to the NB off-ramp at Exit 1.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on April 13, 2018, 10:48:52 AM
^ A quick web search found that the Wingo interchange made KYTC's 6-year plan and is currently scheduled for 2023.

IMO, any proper reworking of the 51/45/E/W interchange will impact Exit 0.  IMO, I'd shut it down (it's horribly sub-standard anyway), move the weigh station further north, and covert the northbound side of Exit 1 into a folded-diamond.  This would allow proper ramp spacing from the 51/45/E/W interchange to the weigh station, and from the weigh station to the NB off-ramp at Exit 1.

I'll reserve comment on the six-year plan until the legislative session is over after this weekend. The whole thing has been a mess. The governor vetoed the entire General Fund budget because the legislature added funding that the governor didn't include in his budget. The legislature also added a number of road projects that weren't in the submitted six-year plan, so who knows what will happen there?

As for Exit 0 there's really nothing there that can't be accessed from the US 51 exit (Kentucky exit 1) or the US 45/E/W interchange in Tennessee. I don't even really know why the weigh station is there. It's the only one on Kentucky's parkway system -- yes, I know it's the only parkway that touches a state border -- and I don't know how busy it is.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on April 23, 2018, 03:30:30 PM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 24, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

Looking at that on the map, it looks like all five sections of SIU 7 are going to completed to just short of the Kentucky line in about 3 or 4 years.   
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on April 30, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
Related to the discussion upthread about I-69's alignment around Union City, I've created my own rendition (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22731.msg2323184#msg2323184) that would have fully utilized the existing US 51 bypass.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on May 25, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
This March 2 opinion piece (https://www.courierpress.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/03/02/next-step-linking-evansville-memphis-69/388812002/) doesn't include any updates about I-69, but it does mention three tourist destinations along the route of SIU 8:

Quote
Tourism in Tennessee is likely to increase with the highway completion.  That’s because several prominent people we know were raised in the area where the Segment 8, I-69 route is planned. About 220 miles southwest of Evansville, is the tiny community of Nutbush, Tennessee, home of iconic musician Tina Turner.  In fact, the singer wrote and recorded a hit record, in 1973, called “Nutbush City Limits.”  An I-69/Tennessee 19 interchange is planned and should serve as the Nutbush-Ripley exit.
Coincidentally, Tennessee 19 is officially named the “Tina Turner Highway.”
A few miles nearby is Henning, the home of late author Alex Haley, who created the documentary "Roots."  An I-69/Tennessee 87 interchange could increase visitors to the nearby Alex Haley Museum.
Closer to Memphis along U.S. 51 south is Covington, birthplace of late songwriter Isaac Hayes.  An I-69/Tennessee 59 interchange for Covington has been counted in the cost.

This version of Nutbush City Limits contains some scenes of Tennessee 19 and Nutbush:


Here is a version from a younger Tina Turner:

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on June 08, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
This March 2 opinion piece (https://www.courierpress.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/03/02/next-step-linking-evansville-memphis-69/388812002/) doesn't include any updates about I-69, but it does mention three tourist destinations along the route of SIU 8:

Quote
Tourism in Tennessee is likely to increase with the highway completion.  That’s because several prominent people we know were raised in the area where the Segment 8, I-69 route is planned. About 220 miles southwest of Evansville, is the tiny community of Nutbush, Tennessee, home of iconic musician Tina Turner.  In fact, the singer wrote and recorded a hit record, in 1973, called “Nutbush City Limits.”  An I-69/Tennessee 19 interchange is planned and should serve as the Nutbush-Ripley exit.
Coincidentally, Tennessee 19 is officially named the “Tina Turner Highway.”

This version of Nutbush City Limits contains some scenes of Tennessee 19 and Nutbush:



(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5710/31099069445_105d8a4d39.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Po7RSv)

Juxtaposed courtesy of Photoshop
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on June 08, 2018, 09:50:17 PM
Speaking of videos showing Tennessee routes, there was an old Son Volt video that showed a bunch of signs for US 41A and a Tennessee secondary route. I haven't been able to find that version of the video for years, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on June 09, 2018, 02:43:49 PM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

Looking at that on the map, it looks like all five sections of SIU 7 are going to completed to just short of the Kentucky line in about 3 or 4 years.

Later this year the final section of I-269 in Mississippi will open, thus completing I-269 around Memphis. Yet it appears that TDOT has performed zero work on I-69 between TN-300 and where it will tie into I-269. Can anyone explain why TDOT is not doing anything with this section, as it would seem intuitive to me to finish the leg between TN-300 and I-269 due to its relatively short distance and how it completes the I-69/269 system through the Memphis area.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Brooks on June 09, 2018, 04:17:59 PM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

Looking at that on the map, it looks like all five sections of SIU 7 are going to completed to just short of the Kentucky line in about 3 or 4 years.

Later this year the final section of I-269 in Mississippi will open, thus completing I-269 around Memphis. Yet it appears that TDOT has performed zero work on I-69 between TN-300 and where it will tie into I-269. Can anyone explain why TDOT is not doing anything with this section, as it would seem intuitive to me to finish the leg between TN-300 and I-269 due to its relatively short distance and how it completes the I-69/269 system through the Memphis area.

As always, Nashville pork.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: edwaleni on June 09, 2018, 07:24:17 PM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

Looking at that on the map, it looks like all five sections of SIU 7 are going to completed to just short of the Kentucky line in about 3 or 4 years.

Later this year the final section of I-269 in Mississippi will open, thus completing I-269 around Memphis. Yet it appears that TDOT has performed zero work on I-69 between TN-300 and where it will tie into I-269. Can anyone explain why TDOT is not doing anything with this section, as it would seem intuitive to me to finish the leg between TN-300 and I-269 due to its relatively short distance and how it completes the I-69/269 system through the Memphis area.

Last time I looked TDOT has a corridor defined from US51/TN300 north past Millington and was in environmental reviews but has no funding to build.

History
SR 300 was originally part of an abortive effort in the 1960s to build an expressway connecting the northern portion of the then Interstate 240 to Mud Island. Ghost ramps and abandoned grading for this expressway still exist at the current western terminus of SR 300 at U.S. Highway 51 and also at Interstate 40 Exit 1 in downtown Memphis.

Future
SR 300 is slated to be signed as part of the proposed Interstate 69. In November 2004, the Tennessee Department of Transportation announced alternative A-1 (SIU 9) as the preferred alignment of future Interstate 69 through the Memphis area which will include SR 300.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Bobby5280 on June 09, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: edwaleni
Last time I looked TDOT has a corridor defined from US51/TN300 north past Millington and was in environmental reviews but has no funding to build.

Is there a map somewhere showing the corridor? I looked at the TDOT website and couldn't find anything on this proposed section of I-69. IIRC it has gone through the draft EIS process.

I'm a bit skeptical TDOT will be able to fill in the gap between the end of TN-300 at US-51 and the North end of I-269 at US-51. Obviously whatever gets built will have to go on a new terrain alignment. There's too many homes and other development along US-51/TN-3. The question I have is how they're going to push I-69 forward from the end of TN-300 to loop around all the existing development. The road would have to somehow thread a gap between General DeWitt Spain Airport and the Memphis Police Dept Impound Lot. Then there's a bunch of swamp land requiring extensive bridge work. That could be pretty costly.

It would suck if this happens, but I think there is a fair chance I-69 could actually get routed onto the path of I-269 way around metro Memphis. I-69 already has enough problems as it is with its far from direct alignment. Its path from Evansville, IN up to Bloomington is wacky looking for all the curves. I hate the distance wasting, big "L" shape it takes in Kentucky. The proposed path of I-69 in Arkansas doesn't look much better. So, if I-269 wound up being re-signed as I-69 due to lack of funding it would further erode the long distance travel value of this highway for the Interstate network.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 09, 2018, 09:26:12 PM
Tennessee could save some money if they would simply angle off of US 51 near Brighton or Atoka and head straight down to 9 near Arlington or Bolton.  The only problem there would be that I-69 would have to either go around Memphis or they would have to take it in on I-40 to I-240 on the inner south loop.

If they wanted to drop the cost further, they could flare off at Dyersburg onto US-412 and then head from Cairo, TN down around Brownsville and into I-40.  The bad thing about that is that although I've never travelled it, I hear I-40 is terrible both roadway and traffic, and they would just be dumping another interstate on it.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on June 09, 2018, 11:52:14 PM
Tennessee could save some money if they would simply angle off of US 51 near Brighton or Atoka and head straight down to 9 near Arlington or Bolton.  The only problem there would be that I-69 would have to either go around Memphis or they would have to take it in on I-40 to I-240 on the inner south loop.

If they wanted to drop the cost further, they could flare off at Dyersburg onto US-412 and then head from Cairo, TN down around Brownsville and into I-40.  The bad thing about that is that although I've never travelled it, I hear I-40 is terrible both roadway and traffic, and they would just be dumping another interstate on it.

Tennessee might as well try to get Missouri and Arkansas on board and route I-69 across the river at Dyersburg, then follow I-55 south if their motivation to punt on the Dyersburg-Memphis section is to keep the gravy train of road money going for Nashville and East Tennessee. In that instance I-69 would run over existig interstates between Dyersburg and Memphis, and would cost a whopping $0 to complete (aside from sign updates).
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: MikieTimT on June 10, 2018, 12:27:41 AM
Tennessee might as well try to get Missouri and Arkansas on board and route I-69 across the river at Dyersburg, then follow I-55 south if their motivation to punt on the Dyersburg-Memphis section is to keep the gravy train of road money going for Nashville and East Tennessee. In that instance I-69 would run over existig interstates between Dyersburg and Memphis, and would cost a whopping $0 to complete (aside from sign updates).

Good luck getting Arkansas to do much of anything that would reduce traffic through Little Rock as much of the finances of ARDOT tend to cluster around there.  Northwest Arkansas developed in SPITE of a decent road network and became a metropolitan area in its own right which opened up more federal funding, so that along with a self-imposed tax are the only reason for the recent development this corner, and the Bella Vista Bypass to complete I-49 to at least Alma if not south Ft. Smith would come long before any development of I-69 in this state other than a few bypasses that may get patched together eventually.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: edwaleni on June 10, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
From Wikipedia;

SIU 9
South of Millington, I-69 will intersect the Interstate 269 Memphis Outer Beltway, then continue southwest, roughly parallel to U.S. 51, and connect with Interstate 40 at the existing State Route 300 interchange in the Frayser neighborhood. Interstate 69 follows I-40 for about 3 miles (5 km) to the I-40/I-240 Midtown Interchange, where I-69 continues south along the Midtown portion of I-240 (mileposts 25-31) to the I-240/I-55 interchange in Whitehaven. From that interchange, I-69 continues south, merged with I-55 for approximately 12 miles (19 km), crossing the Mississippi state line. The Mississippi Department of Transportation has been working on widening I-55/I-69 between Hernando and the Tennessee State Line, adding travel lanes in each direction, reconstructing bridges, and improving traffic flow at interchanges. Meanwhile, TDOT is reconstructing I-55 and I-240 from the Mississippi line to Memphis. With much of the route already built and at Interstate standards through Memphis, the FHWA authorized TDOT to sign I-69 over I-55, I-240 and I-40 on January 18, 2008; however, TDOT has not yet done so. However, it has and still is signed as an "I-69 FUTURE CORRIDOR".

The Tennessee Department of Transportation has suspended work indefinitely on the unbuilt section between TN-300 and the proposed interchange with I-269 near Millington due to a lack of funding. TDOT has further stated that it does not intend to resume work on this section until Congress commits federal funding to complete environmental studies, right-of-way acquisition and construction.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: edwaleni on June 10, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
I just checked and TDOT took down its I-69 status page.

That usually means nothing is planned in the next 5 years.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: edwaleni on June 10, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
Millington Officials Study I-69 Impact
City leaders, residents weigh benefits of proposed routes
By Tracy Adams

The vitality of many businesses in Millington and Dyersburg could hinge on whether Interstate 69 is located east or west of the coming roadway.

The Tennessee Department of Transportation has held several meetings this month in the western part of the state, including Millington and Dyersburg, to discuss where to place a 65-mile stretch of I-69.

Local response. Reactions have, in many cases, split the business and residential communities, officials said.

"A lot of the residents feel, 'If it's coming through my childhood home, I might not want it there,' and I understand that," said Ordis Copeland, Millington Chamber of Commerce president. "I am looking at it for the overall benefit of the Millington community and businesses of Millington. We need I-69, and specifically we need Alternative-R."

It's not a question of if I-69 will go through Millington, but rather which part of the city will be home to next major interstate highway.

I-69 is a 1,600-mile federal highway project that will stretch from the Michigan-Canada border to Texas' border with Mexico. The section of the interstate between Tennessee Highway 385 in Millington and Interstate-155 in Dyersburg is one of 32 sections of the project that is meant to be in use before all parts are connected.

Two alternatives. TDOT has proposed two routing options for that section of I-69, dubbed Alternative-R and Alternative-G.

Alternative-R, preferred by the Millington and Dyersburg business communities, would take I-69 west of Millington with two exits - one at Highway 385 and another at west Union Avenue - that will allow traffic in and out of Millington.

Alternative-G would take I-69 about 15 miles to the east of Millington and connect to Highway 385 between Lakeland and Arlington. This alternative is preferred by many area residents, some of whom might be forced to relocate if Alternative-R is chosen, officials said.

However, Millington Chamber of Commerce officials are lobbying hard for Alternative-R, Copeland said.

"Of the nine goals Congress set out for I-69, none of them will be met if it goes east of Millington," he said. "Alternative-R will improve traffic flow in and out of the city and enhance economic growth.

"No trucker is going to drive 15 miles out of his way just to take I-69. They are going to take the most direct route - Highway 51 - and that will do nothing for traffic congestion and it will harm our businesses."

Impact on business. Copeland expects to see a boom in the number of retail and commercial businesses in Millington as a result of I-69 and Alternative-R.

"The western route means it will be easier for people to get in and out of the city," he said. "That will definitely make Millington more attractive to retailers and other businesses. More importantly, it will serve as a reason to stay and not relocate 15 miles away to closer to that traffic flow."

A retail boom also is anticipated in Dyersburg should Alternative-R be approved, officials said.

"The western route (proposed for I-69) means it will be easier for people to get in and out of the city. That will definitely make Millington more attractive to retailers and other businesses."
- Ordis Copeland
president, Millington Chamber of Commerce
"We are expecting to be able to pull a few big-box retailers, more restaurants and more commercial," said Allan Hester, Dyersburg Chamber of Commerce president. "There are clear advantages to the western route. It will bring traffic much closer to the existing businesses and the economic center of the city."

Industrial growth. I-69 also is expected to have a big impact on the region's industry, starting with a renewed commitment to the area by one of its mayor employers, said Bill Revell, Dyersburg mayor and chairman of the I-69 committee in Tennessee.

"A few years back, Caterpillar Inc. was considering relocating their facility here offshore, but once they heard about I-69, they decided to stay," Revell said. "The impact of I-69 coming through Dyersburg was high on their list of reasons to not relocate."

Encouraging firms like Caterpillar to stay is a big reason why Dyersburg Chamber officials have sided with Millington in pushing for Alternative-R, citing its benefits to area businesses and the city's industrial base.

"We expect the western route to enhance our manufacturing base," Hester said. "A large percentage of our jobs - about 30 percent - come from manufacturing. And having that kind of access to a major thoroughfare will be a draw for some and reason to stay or expand for others."

About 25 miles north of Dyersburg, a new river port project is under way. The project is expected to benefit both Dyersburg and Lake County, where it's located, in attracting additional industry, Hester said.

Timeline. TDOT will hand down its decision on the I-69 route in the spring, department officials said. However, settling on a route won't signal an immediate start of construction.

Construction costs on the Millington-Dyersburg leg are likely to run up to $500 million, according to an early environmental impact statement. To date, no funds have been earmarked by the Federal Highway Administration or approved by Congress to finance construction of the highway segment.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Grzrd on June 11, 2018, 10:00:38 PM
Later this year the final section of I-269 in Mississippi will open, thus completing I-269 around Memphis. Yet it appears that TDOT has performed zero work on I-69 between TN-300 and where it will tie into I-269. Can anyone explain why TDOT is not doing anything with this section, as it would seem intuitive to me to finish the leg between TN-300 and I-269 due to its relatively short distance and how it completes the I-69/269 system through the Memphis area.

Gov. Bill Haslam and TDOT Director John Schroer began the campaign for the IMPROVE Act with a list of all the backlogged projects in Tennessee, which included all of I-69, including SIU 8:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2104792#msg2104792

When it came time to assess how big of a tax increase Tennesseeans would accept, Haslam and Schroer dropped the tax increase and thereby cut some of the backlogged projects out.  I-69 SIU 7 survived and part of SIU 8 survived:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2205146#msg2205146

SIU 9 in Memphis did not survive. My guess is that Memphis prioritized the Lamar Avenue improvements more, and since IMPROVE had to be sold state-wide, Memphis could not justify two major projects and SIU 9 did not make the cut.



Is there a map somewhere showing the corridor? I looked at the TDOT website and couldn't find anything on this proposed section of I-69. IIRC it has gone through the draft EIS process.

I found this snip from a Memphis MPO comment card:

(http://i.imgur.com/16ALcq1.jpg)

If you were looking for maps of SIU 8:

https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-4/interstate-69-segment-8/interstate-69-segment-8-library.html
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Henry on June 12, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
It looks like at least another half-century before any work is done on I-69. The sooner all those sections can be tied together, the better.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: skluth on September 21, 2018, 06:26:40 PM
I saw today that Google Maps has I-69 running through Memphis from the US-51 interchange on the north side then along the old west side of I-240 through downtown and Southaven to where it heads west to Tunica from I-55. I don't know if that is new but I hadn't noticed it before. I know Google is not the arbiter of highways and they get plenty wrong. Just curious if this is now the official route or just something Google made up.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.19648,-90.0294682,15z?hl=en

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on September 21, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
I saw today that Google Maps has I-69 running through Memphis from the US-51 interchange on the north side then along the old west side of I-240 through downtown and Southaven to where it heads west to Tunica from I-55. I don't know if that is new but I hadn't noticed it before. I know Google is not the arbiter of highways and they get plenty wrong. Just curious if this is now the official route or just something Google made up.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.19648,-90.0294682,15z?hl=en



That is the designated route for I-69; I-55 is co-signed with I-69 in MS -- but AFAIK, not as of yet in TN; neither is I-240 or 40.  It probably won't get signage until at least actual letting is done in regards to SIU's 8 & 9.  If SIU 8 precedes SIU 9 time-wise, then the section of US 51 between TN 300 and TN 385/I-269 could conceivably be "trailblazed" as "TO I-69".  But I wouldn't hold my breath; the Google signage is simply premature.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: MikeTheActuary on September 21, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
I saw today that Google Maps has I-69 running through Memphis from the US-51 interchange on the north side then along the old west side of I-240 through downtown and Southaven to where it heads west to Tunica from I-55. I don't know if that is new but I hadn't noticed it before. I know Google is not the arbiter of highways and they get plenty wrong. Just curious if this is now the official route or just something Google made up.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.19648,-90.0294682,15z?hl=en



That is the designated route for I-69; I-55 is co-signed with I-69 in MS -- but AFAIK, not as of yet in TN; neither is I-240 or 40.  It probably won't get signage until at least actual letting is done in regards to SIU's 8 & 9.  If SIU 8 precedes SIU 9 time-wise, then the section of US 51 between TN 300 and TN 385/I-269 could conceivably be "trailblazed" as "TO I-69".  But I wouldn't hold my breath; the Google signage is simply premature.

I was in a Wikipedia edit war on the I-269 pages last December, and I'm the person who "demoted" I-69 in Tennessee there.

Basically, there seems to be no evidence that TDOT considers I-69 to exist in TN at this point.  While they have approval to post it in Memphis, it looks like they aren't going to make it official any time soon.

Similarly, despite what Google Maps say, I-269 is only approved south of I-40...and it's debatable whether TDOT believes I-269 exists north of Collierville.  Yes, it's been posted, and in the past few months, some TDOT documents (maps, bridge inventories) have changed SR 385 references to I-269, but the TDOT engineer I traded emails with said that they wouldn't actually consider the change from SR 385 to I-269 to be official until they publicly announced it.   At the time I contacted him, the announcement would have come after the re-signing contract was completed and accepted.   I don't know whether formal acceptance has come yet, or if at this point, they're stalling the announcement until the final MS stretch opens in a few weeks.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: seicer on October 02, 2018, 08:19:53 PM
Looking further at the property lines, TNDOT has acquired some land east and south of Union City:

Future terminus with US 51/US 45W: https://goo.gl/maps/7MN9zYffFAw
Future exit with TN 21: https://goo.gl/maps/6CE3ivKWFp12

I'm curious if TNDOT will follow US 51 further south of TN 21.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on October 02, 2018, 10:02:02 PM
Looking further at the property lines, TNDOT has acquired some land east and south of Union City:

Future terminus with US 51/US 45W: https://goo.gl/maps/7MN9zYffFAw
Future exit with TN 21: https://goo.gl/maps/6CE3ivKWFp12

I'm curious if TNDOT will follow US 51 further south of TN 21.

If you go to this site, you can see what routing they're gonna do from south of Troy all the way to the KY border. https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/

It's easier if you turn off all the programs and only turn on the Trade button on the left side. Once that's done, if you move your cursor over those Trade icons on the map, it will show you the routing of each section of I-69.

I put together a bunch of screenshots taken from the site to show the approximate routing. I don't know if what's shown on that page is the final routing, but at least it's kind of close. If you wanted to zoom in closer for each section you can go to that link I gave above.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_02_10_18_9_59_28.jpeg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: seicer on October 02, 2018, 11:20:09 PM
Thank you!

It looks like its bypasses of bypasses in many instances - even further south. So much of the ROW has been developed upon that it's probably easier to go with a new terrain.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on October 03, 2018, 07:34:40 AM
^ For Troy, yes it's developed.  But I demonstrated earlier this year in the Fictional part of the forum how they could have utilized the existing US 51 Union City bypass.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 29, 2018, 11:52:32 AM
There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

Looking at the above chart, work is scheduled to start on Future I-69 from West of TN 21 to US 51 on the North side of Union City sometime in the upcoming year. 

Does any one know when would TDOT put the project up for bids and when would construction start?

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on December 29, 2018, 07:17:36 PM
^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 29, 2018, 08:01:52 PM
^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?

Kentucky and Tennessee are working together on the work at the state line.  It will run from the Wingo bowtie south to past the U.S. 51 and US 45 interchange.

But I have no information beyond that.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on December 30, 2018, 09:18:04 PM

^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?

Kentucky and Tennessee are working together on the work at the state line.  It will run from the Wingo bowtie south to past the U.S. 51 and US 45 interchange.

But I have no information beyond that.

Last I read that TDOT was working with KYTC on preparing an EIS to reconfigure the US-51/Purchase Parkway interchange at the KY/TN state line. Looking at STIP documents from both states, it looks like construction on the interchange won't begin until the mid-2020s.  Kentucky plans to start reconstructing the Wingo interchnage in 2021, and upgrade the Purchase Parkway from the Wingo bowtie to just north of the state line in 2022.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on January 01, 2019, 09:09:27 AM

^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?

Kentucky and Tennessee are working together on the work at the state line.  It will run from the Wingo bowtie south to past the U.S. 51 and US 45 interchange.

But I have no information beyond that.

Last I read that TDOT was working with KYTC on preparing an EIS to reconfigure the US-51/Purchase Parkway interchange at the KY/TN state line. Looking at STIP documents from both states, it looks like construction on the interchange won't begin until the mid-2020s.  Kentucky plans to start reconstructing the Wingo interchnage in 2021, and upgrade the Purchase Parkway from the Wingo bowtie to just north of the state line in 2022.
I wonder if both states will try to apply for an INFRA or BUILD grant for the part near the state line. Obviously they would need to speed up their process from where they are at now, but I would guess if they apply they have a good chance of getting it with Chao as the USDOT secretary.


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Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 01, 2019, 11:56:00 AM

^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?

Kentucky and Tennessee are working together on the work at the state line.  It will run from the Wingo bowtie south to past the U.S. 51 and US 45 interchange.

But I have no information beyond that.

Last I read that TDOT was working with KYTC on preparing an EIS to reconfigure the US-51/Purchase Parkway interchange at the KY/TN state line. Looking at STIP documents from both states, it looks like construction on the interchange won't begin until the mid-2020s.  Kentucky plans to start reconstructing the Wingo interchnage in 2021, and upgrade the Purchase Parkway from the Wingo bowtie to just north of the state line in 2022.
I wonder if both states will try to apply for an INFRA or BUILD grant for the part near the state line. Obviously they would need to speed up their process from where they are at now, but I would guess if they apply they have a good chance of getting it with Chao as the USDOT secretary.


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Tennessee is funding the construction of I-69 from the from a tax increase they passed specifically for transportation projects.  Kentucky appears to have the finishing of I-69 as part of their normal highway budget.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on January 01, 2019, 01:00:14 PM

^^^^^^^^
Looks like the small section at or near the KY state line is not nearly at the stage of development as the rest of SIU 7 -- I wonder if there's a KY-based coordinated project as well?

Kentucky and Tennessee are working together on the work at the state line.  It will run from the Wingo bowtie south to past the U.S. 51 and US 45 interchange.

But I have no information beyond that.

Last I read that TDOT was working with KYTC on preparing an EIS to reconfigure the US-51/Purchase Parkway interchange at the KY/TN state line. Looking at STIP documents from both states, it looks like construction on the interchange won't begin until the mid-2020s.  Kentucky plans to start reconstructing the Wingo interchnage in 2021, and upgrade the Purchase Parkway from the Wingo bowtie to just north of the state line in 2022.
I wonder if both states will try to apply for an INFRA or BUILD grant for the part near the state line. Obviously they would need to speed up their process from where they are at now, but I would guess if they apply they have a good chance of getting it with Chao as the USDOT secretary.


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Tennessee is funding the construction of I-69 from the from a tax increase they passed specifically for transportation projects.  Kentucky appears to have the finishing of I-69 as part of their normal highway budget.
Yes, I am aware of that. I was looking at some of the projects that won those grants this year. They were also funded through their respective states’ budget but the states still applied for and got those grants. Not sure if KY or TN would apply for it but it wouldn’t hurt to try


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Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on January 20, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Earlier this month I saw on TDOT's website plans for the next section of I-69 around Union City that would have covered the section from SR-21 to the US-51 freeway north of Union City, supposedly in advance of the February 8th letting.

When the bid letting list for February 8th came out, this section of I-69 was not included on the letting list.

So did the letting for this section of I-69 get postponed?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 22, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
Earlier this month I saw on TDOT's website plans for the next section of I-69 around Union City that would have covered the section from SR-21 to the US-51 freeway north of Union City, supposedly in advance of the February 8th letting.

When the bid letting list for February 8th came out, this section of I-69 was not included on the letting list.

So did the letting for this section of I-69 get postponed?

Do you have links to the plans and the letting list?  I was poking around the TNDOT website but did not find them earlier this month. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on January 22, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
^ TDOT has put their plans online electronically (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/tdot-construction-division/bid-lettings/e-plans-room.html).  They are free to download...you just need to know the county and the project number.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 22, 2019, 01:59:39 PM
^ TDOT has put their plans online electronically (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/tdot-construction-division/bid-lettings/e-plans-room.html).  They are free to download...you just need to know the county and the project number.


Since the project did not appear on the official list of projects for the February letting, the I-69 plans aren't on there.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: froggie on January 22, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
^ It's under the "Upcoming Lettings" link.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 22, 2019, 02:41:16 PM
^ It's under the "Upcoming Lettings" link.

Thanks. It looks like the interchange with US 51 will be a directional T interchange. and I-69 will have control cities of Fulton and Dyersburg.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 22, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
^ It's under the "Upcoming Lettings" link.

Thanks. It looks like the interchange with US 51 will be a directional T interchange. and I-69 will have control cities of Fulton and Dyersburg.

Fulton is also the control city for I-69 as far north as Henderson. Might we have a new candidate for "smallest control city on the Interstate system?"
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 22, 2019, 06:55:12 PM
^ It's under the "Upcoming Lettings" link.

Thanks. It looks like the interchange with US 51 will be a directional T interchange. and I-69 will have control cities of Fulton and Dyersburg.

Fulton is also the control city for I-69 as far north as Henderson. Might we have a new candidate for "smallest control city on the Interstate system?"
Is Fulton smaller than Benson NC?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: tdindy88 on January 22, 2019, 07:58:58 PM
If we're going to go all the way with these small control cities, why not South Fulton for I-69 north in Tennessee?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: codyg1985 on January 22, 2019, 09:38:58 PM
If we're going to go all the way with these small control cities, why not South Fulton for I-69 north in Tennessee?

Actually one of the signs in the plans shows South Fulton as a control city. Most of them say Fulton, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 23, 2019, 09:04:44 AM
^ TDOT has put their plans online electronically (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/tdot-construction-division/bid-lettings/e-plans-room.html).  They are free to download...you just need to know the county and the project number.

Thank you for the link.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 23, 2019, 03:53:18 PM
Once the Union City and Troy Bypasses are completed, will Interstate 69 be signposted from Interstate 155's exit 15, to the state line, and then along the Purchase Parkway? Or might it take longer for such signage to be installed? Possibly until the Memphis-to-Dyersburg segment is built, whenever on Earth that will be?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: sparker on January 23, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
Once the Union City and Troy Bypasses are completed, will Interstate 69 be signposted from Interstate 155's exit 15, to the state line, and then along the Purchase Parkway? Or might it take longer for such signage to be installed? Possibly until the Memphis-to-Dyersburg segment is built, whenever on Earth that will be?

The signage will likely depend upon the completion date of KY's portion from Mayfield southwest to Fulton, which will require upgrades (including elimination of one of their infamous "bowtie" interchanges left over from toll road times) and the state line connector to the TN project.  Once all that is done, it is more than likely that there will be continuous I-69 signage from I-155 at Dyersburg up to Henderson, KY (what would be the point otherwise?). 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: hbelkins on January 23, 2019, 06:51:27 PM
I-69 is already signed along the Purchase Parkway to Benton, where the toll booth cloverleaf was rebuilt. It may be signed now as far south as the US 45 bypass in Mayfield, as that work was still ongoing the last time I was in the area (for the meet I hosted in November 2017.)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 23, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
I-69 is already signed along the Purchase Parkway to Benton, where the toll booth cloverleaf was rebuilt. It may be signed now as far south as the US 45 bypass in Mayfield, as that work was still ongoing the last time I was in the area (for the meet I hosted in November 2017.)

There is a video on the I-69 Kentucky thread that shows that I-69 is now signed down to Cardinal Road just South of Mayfield

Update, found the link in this post:

My first post! Hopefully this is embedded properly. This is KYTC District 1's video of I-69 from I-24 south to US 45 near Mayfield. It includes the rebuilt interchanges of I-69/I-24 and I-69/US 45.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FKYTCDistrict1%2Fvideos%2F1730746516961089%2F&show_text=0&width=560

Another Update, Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 24, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
Once the Union City and Troy Bypasses are completed, will Interstate 69 be signposted from Interstate 155's exit 15, to the state line, and then along the Purchase Parkway? Or might it take longer for such signage to be installed? Possibly until the Memphis-to-Dyersburg segment is built, whenever on Earth that will be?

The plans referenced above show only I-69 Signage for the bypass.  So I expect that when the Union City and Troy bypasses are complete you will see I-69 signed from I-155 through Union City and to the north end of interstate grade roadway.

There is no other designation for I-69 since US 51 is remaining on it's current route.

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 27, 2019, 11:23:37 PM
Fresh off the Digital Memory card...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7810/39936635023_e76ce44e36_z.jpg)
(US 51 NB approaching Union City)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7898/39936634733_caf5132a7f_z.jpg)
(Cloverleaf loop from US 51 SB to (Future)I-69, near Union City)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7826/39936634853_8f39972404_z.jpg)
(Bridge for (future) I-69, near Union City)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/39936635743_d13169f2f9_z.jpg)
Not Tennessee, but I-69 now starts a mile south of exit 21 in Kentucky
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 05, 2019, 08:00:16 AM
Nice pictures, thanks!
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 05, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
This is US 51 just south of the interchange with TN 214 (Circa 2012).

Would this portion of roadway be considered up to interstate standards?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4951201,-88.9099295,3a,60y,243.5h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM_13Agzvqwc-sg1fi74LEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The portion north of TN 214 has at grade intersections and is not, but I was trying to figure out how far North I-69 could be signed once the Union City bypass is completed.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 07, 2019, 10:01:55 AM
I just found this somewhat dated (Fall 2017) aerial footage of the construction of I-69 from south of TN 22 to south of US 51.


Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: abqtraveler on March 02, 2019, 04:21:51 PM
Some more good news:  according to TDOT's Bid Letting site, the construction contract for Section 5 of SIU-7 of I-69 is scheduled to be let on March 29, 2019.  According to the Notice to Contractors, construction on this section, which includes the northernmost portion of the Union City Bypass between TN-21 and US-51 (north of U.C.) is scheduled for completion on or before September 30, 2022.  Here's the link to the Notice to Contractors for the March 29th bid letting.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/construction/2019_bid_lettings/march_29_2019_letting/March_29_2019_Notice_to_Contractors.pdf
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 03, 2019, 03:05:41 PM
Some more good news:  according to TDOT's Bid Letting site, the construction contract for Section 5 of SIU-7 of I-69 is scheduled to be let on March 29, 2019.  According to the Notice to Contractors, construction on this section, which includes the northernmost portion of the Union City Bypass between TN-21 and US-51 (north of U.C.) is scheduled for completion on or before September 30, 2022.  Here's the link to the Notice to Contractors for the March 29th bid letting.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/construction/2019_bid_lettings/march_29_2019_letting/March_29_2019_Notice_to_Contractors.pdf


Once that construction starts they can finally stop calling it a freeway to nowhere (as in the video above).

From the schedule further up this thread it looks like they plan to pave sections 3 and 4 by 2022 and get the whole  Union City bypass open by then.  The only question is how long it will take to get sections 1 and 2 done and I-69 open from I-155 to Fulton.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 30, 2019, 05:35:54 PM
Some more good news:  according to TDOT's Bid Letting site, the construction contract for Section 5 of SIU-7 of I-69 is scheduled to be let on March 29, 2019.  According to the Notice to Contractors, construction on this section, which includes the northernmost portion of the Union City Bypass between TN-21 and US-51 (north of U.C.) is scheduled for completion on or before September 30, 2022.  Here's the link to the Notice to Contractors for the March 29th bid letting.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/construction/2019_bid_lettings/march_29_2019_letting/March_29_2019_Notice_to_Contractors.pdf

Four bids on the project:

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/construction/2019_bid_lettings/march_29_2019_letting/March%2029%20Apparent%20Low.pdf

Alphabetical by county.  I-69 is on page 12

Unlike Section 4 (completed in 2012) and Section 3 (under construction). This project includes paving. 

Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: mvak36 on April 21, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
TDOT released their Transportation Improvement Plan (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2019/4/18/governor-and-commissioner-release-transportation-improvement-plan-for-2020-2022.html) for 2020-2022. Here are the projects listed (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/TransportationImprovementProgram2019.pdf) on there for I-69:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_21_04_19_8_57_38.jpeg)
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 22, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
TDOT released their Transportation Improvement Plan (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2019/4/18/governor-and-commissioner-release-transportation-improvement-plan-for-2020-2022.html) for 2020-2022. Here are the projects listed (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/TransportationImprovementProgram2019.pdf) on there for I-69:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_21_04_19_8_57_38.jpeg)

The paving for the existing segments of I-69 I expected, but nice to see it will be started next year.  The Rogers Rd in Kentucky to SR3 segment is confusing.  I can find a Rogers Road in Tennessee that intersects US 45/51 (aka TN 3)  but not one in Kentucky...   Also not sure what "PE" stands for.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Gordon on April 22, 2019, 10:26:13 AM
PE stands for Preliminary Engineering.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 22, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
PE stands for Preliminary Engineering.

Thanks
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on April 24, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
TDOT released their Transportation Improvement Plan (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2019/4/18/governor-and-commissioner-release-transportation-improvement-plan-for-2020-2022.html) for 2020-2022. Here are the projects listed (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/TransportationImprovementProgram2019.pdf) on there for I-69:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_21_04_19_8_57_38.jpeg)

I understand you have to pave sometime but it seems to me they would have been better off grading a connection to 51 north of Union City before paving anything.  All they will have is a road serving local interests. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 25, 2019, 08:03:22 AM
TDOT released their Transportation Improvement Plan (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2019/4/18/governor-and-commissioner-release-transportation-improvement-plan-for-2020-2022.html) for 2020-2022. Here are the projects listed (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/TransportationImprovementProgram2019.pdf) on there for I-69:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_21_04_19_8_57_38.jpeg)

I understand you have to pave sometime but it seems to me they would have been better off grading a connection to 51 north of Union City before paving anything.  All they will have is a road serving local interests.

Section 5 of SIU 7  (TN 21 to US 51) was awarded on March 29th.  That project includes paving, so by 2023 or 2023, the entire Union City bypass portion will be complete. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on April 26, 2019, 08:05:38 PM
TDOT released their Transportation Improvement Plan (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2019/4/18/governor-and-commissioner-release-transportation-improvement-plan-for-2020-2022.html) for 2020-2022. Here are the projects listed (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/TransportationImprovementProgram2019.pdf) on there for I-69:

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I understand you have to pave sometime but it seems to me they would have been better off grading a connection to 51 north of Union City before paving anything.  All they will have is a road serving local interests.

Section 5 of SIU 7  (TN 21 to US 51) was awarded on March 29th.  That project includes paving, so by 2023 or 2023, the entire Union City bypass portion will be complete. 

Glad to hear that but that means there is a 2-3 year gap between pavings. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 11, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
So 13 years to build like 6 miles of rural freeway?  Or is it 14 years?  (Earth movement is first visible on Google Earth c. 2010.)  Round of applause for TnDOT. /sarcasm

This shit's taking so long, they're going to have to replace the pavement that's already in place before it even opens.  :rolleyes:
That means like, what, 2030 to get the rest of the bypass around Troy complete?  Because 2023 only gets it to a temporary end at US 51 south of UC.   :crazy:
What a joke.

I was driving around Union City this past week for work and observed first hand the glacial progress being made.  I could see some of the survey markers north of town on US 51 where I-69 will curve away from the existing freeway north of town.  Ground yet to be turned up there.  Meanwhile the interchange at TN 5 is done, but it's been idle so long, there's grass growing up between the concrete ramps and their asphalt shoulders.

This is all because TN isn't "allowed" to borrow money to build things, am I remembering that correctly?  They have to pay as they go which means it takes forever and inevitably costs way more.  That is not responsible government.  It's the opposite.  More cost, less benefit.
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: rte66man on May 12, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
So 13 years to build like 6 miles of rural freeway?  Or is it 14 years?  (Earth movement is first visible on Google Earth c. 2010.)  Round of applause for TnDOT. /sarcasm

This shit's taking so long, they're going to have to replace the pavement that's already in place before it even opens.  :rolleyes:
That means like, what, 2030 to get the rest of the bypass around Troy complete?  Because 2023 only gets it to a temporary end at US 51 south of UC.   :crazy:
What a joke.

I was driving around Union City this past week for work and observed first hand the glacial progress being made.  I could see some of the survey markers north of town on US 51 where I-69 will curve away from the existing freeway north of town.  Ground yet to be turned up there.  Meanwhile the interchange at TN 21 is mostly done save for some more pavement on 21, but it's been idle so long, there's grass growing up between the concrete ramps and their asphalt shoulders.

My point exactly. Take the pavement $$$ and use to to expedite the grading and drainage. Then pave the whole thing at one time. 
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 13, 2019, 04:52:28 PM
What is traffic like on existing US 51 between Memphis and Interstate 155? Was the Tennessee DOT right to suspend work on that portion of future 69 (such as that segment will not need to be constructed in the foreseeable future)? Or does the existing US 51 corridor warrant an Interstate upgrade, meaning 69 should be constructed sooner, rather that later (or perhaps much later)?
Title: Re: I-69 in TN
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2019, 11:17:40 AM
So 13 years to build like 6 miles of rural freeway?  Or is it 14 years?  (Earth movement is first visible on Google Earth c. 2010.)  Round of applause for TnDOT. /sarcasm

This shit's taking so long, they're going to have to replace the pavement that's already in place before it even opens.  :rolleyes:
That means like, what, 2030 to get the rest of the bypass around Troy complete?  Because 2023 only gets it to a temporary end at US 51 south of UC.   :crazy:
What a joke.

I was driving around Union City this past week for work and observed first hand the glacial progress being made.  I could see some of the survey markers north of town on US 51 where I-69 will curve away from the existing freeway north of town.  Ground yet to be turned up there.  Meanwhile the interchange at TN 5 is done, but it's been idle so long, there's grass growing up between the concrete ramps and their asphalt shoulders.

This is all because TN isn't "allowed" to borrow money to build things, am I remembering that correctly?  They have to pay as they go which means it takes forever and inevitably costs way more.  That is not responsible government.  It's the opposite.  More cost, less benefit.
That is correct Tennessee is a pay as you go state.  Road bonds are taken out but they have the funds to pay them off.  The bonds cannot be issued for any future debt.