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Title: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: froggie on November 14, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
As many of you may know, "Jersey Freeway" is a term applied to a type of multilane divided road whereby private access is allowed but at-grade access across the median is prohibited.  Instead, access from one side to the other (and all "left turns") is provided via interchanges and overpasses.  This type of road is often found in New Jersey (hence the term), but examples exist elsewhere.

While on a trip to Maine this past weekend, I pondered the existence of Jersey freeways outside of Jersey proper.  There are three I know of offhand and I'll start with those examples:

- US 1 on the north side of Boston (http://maps.google.com/?ll=42.490327,-70.993824&spn=0.114936,0.328903&t=m&z=13&vpsrc=6), from the end of the Northeast Expressway north to past the connector to the I-95/MA 128 Loop.  If it wasn't for a jughandle/U-turn just north of the connector, the Jersey freeway would extend further north to the interchange at I-95/Exit 50.

- BYPASS US 1 in Portsmouth, NH (http://maps.google.com/?ll=43.078543,-70.773261&spn=0.014231,0.041113&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6), from the traffic circle at US 4/NH 16 north to the Sarah Mildred Long Bridge.

- US 1 through Bath, ME (http://maps.google.com/?ll=43.909542,-69.82481&spn=0.007018,0.020556&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6), from State Rd (the end of the full freeway from Brunswick) to the ramps to Middle St.  Technically US 1 continues as limited access across the river, but from Middle St east across the bridge is undivided road.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Ian on November 14, 2011, 03:08:33 PM
US 1 has a very brief Jersey Freeway between the Granite Run Mall in Lima and the Media By-Pass (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39.915382,-75.424876&spn=0.009233,0.01929&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6).
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: hbelkins on November 14, 2011, 08:45:17 PM
There are several sections of US 22 between Ebensburg and Delmont, Pa., that are configured like this. And it appeared that portions of US 11/US 15 north of Harrisburg are as well; however, it was dark when I drove that route and all I saw was frequent U-turn signage.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
And it appeared that portions of US 11/US 15 north of Harrisburg are as well; however, it was dark when I drove that route and all I saw was frequent U-turn signage.
This has backwards jughandles (you turn left into it and cross the other direction at-grade).
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Alps on November 14, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
US 1 along the shore of Rhode Island is up for debate. There are no direct crossings, but there are U-turns in the median. If you look at them as individual left-exits and left-merges, I say it counts.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Bickendan on November 15, 2011, 04:10:06 AM
WA 99 Aurora Ave
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 05:37:24 AM
I-40 in New Mexico :)
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 15, 2011, 06:38:04 AM
I-40 in New Mexico :)

for some reason, I remember those "TEMPORARY" side roads being closed off.  Am I mistaken?

that said - I-40 around the NC/TN line.  I-5 in the Grapevine.  I-8 in a few spots in western Arizona.  And probably others I am not recalling successfully.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on November 15, 2011, 06:54:53 AM
Ontario has expressways like that, we dubb them RIRO expressways.  Sections of both Hwy 11 and Hwy 35/115 meet this description

(http://asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_30-39_images/35_sign_turnaround.jpg)

(http://asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_30-39_images/35_cl_19_north.jpg)
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: english si on November 15, 2011, 07:20:16 AM
There's lots of these on dual carriageways in the UK, as cross-median turns have been blocked off.

thinking of the A1 between Peterborough and Doncaster and the Northern Irish A1 between the A101 and Newry in particular.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on November 16, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
US 101 south of Petaluma, CA is like that, and so is US 70 in Raleigh, NC...nothing really like that in Florida.

I recall N152 in Spain used that type of setup in a few places, a few stores and gas stations between Montserrat and Barcelona. But I think that was used because some of the terrain had steep grades and curves in those mountain foothills.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Anthony_JK on November 16, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
Altenate US 90 (Old Spanish Trail/S. Main Street) in Houston between Beltway 8 and just short of I-610 is sort of a "Jersey freeway"...technically, it's a RIRO with interchanges with major roadways.


Anthony
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: TheStranger on November 16, 2011, 02:54:06 PM
US 101 south of Petaluma, CA is like that

Actually, there are three full out median crossings (two at San Antonio Road, one at Kastania Road where a gas station is), not quite the same thing.  More of a (California-style) expressway.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: roadman65 on November 21, 2011, 06:41:04 PM
US 69 in Overland Park, KS is one where it is aligned on Metcalf Avenue!
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: empirestate on November 21, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
The westernmost bits of NY 27/Sunrise Highway in Suffolk County are like this.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: kphoger on November 22, 2011, 10:51:50 AM
Mexico is full of this type of expressway.  Below are some Google street view snapshots:

From the free bypass around Monterrey, NL (Saltillo - Reynosa, signed as Federal Highway 40):
This highway has had no at-grade intersections or even crossovers between the Highway 85 interchange and its terminus at the mainline of Highway 40 (a distance of 22 miles) since about 2009.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/kphoger/monterreybypass.png)

Highway 40 entering Saltillo from Monterrey is another example:
It now has no breaks in the median from the crossovers near the Venustiano Carranza sculpture to the stoplight at Calle Canadá (a distance of 3 miles); some of the stoplights were removed in favor of semi-freeway interchanges like this one, where southwest-bound traffic is carried over a bridge, and the left turn for northeast-bound traffic is accommodate at-grade underneath it.  ///Note - If you don't mind crossovers and median-located service areas, it's basically a Jersey freeway all the way from just outside Monterrey (a distance of 37 miles).///
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/kphoger/40inSaltillo.png)
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: froggie on November 28, 2011, 12:04:32 PM
Another one I'd forgotten about:  PA 12 in Reading (http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.35387,-75.953475&spn=0.006287,0.014441&t=k&z=17&vpsrc=6) from US 222/422 to the overpass at PA 183.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Henry on December 15, 2011, 10:21:10 PM
I-40 in New Mexico :)

for some reason, I remember those "TEMPORARY" side roads being closed off.  Am I mistaken?

that said - I-40 around the NC/TN line.  I-5 in the Grapevine.  I-8 in a few spots in western Arizona.  And probably others I am not recalling successfully.

I'm sure I-10 and/or I-20 in far western Texas are also like that. It's been years since I last came through what I used to call "the world's largest nowhere!"
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2011, 11:37:45 PM
I think SR 17 between San Jose and Santa Cruz is one (where it's not a full freeway).
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: myosh_tino on December 16, 2011, 02:05:49 AM
I think SR 17 between San Jose and Santa Cruz is one (where it's not a full freeway).
While CA-17 does have a center barrier for most of it's length from Los Gatos to Scotts Valley, there are breaks in it to allow left turns onto side roads like at Idylwild Drive, Darrell Road, Glenwood Drive and Laurel Road just to name a few.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 16, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
A section of QC-117 is like that, between Mont-Tremblant and Saint-Faustin.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 17, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
A section of QC-117 is like that, between Mont-Tremblant and Saint-Faustin.

There also a short section of PQ-134 at Longueuil between Desauniers Blvd and Cure-Poirier blvd who's like that as well
http://maps.google.com/?ll=45.512738,-73.496068&spn=0.011653,0.01929&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=45.51274,-73.500156&panoid=YSphdljdJUAClfya58lC3Q&cbp=12,278.16,,0,8.79
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on December 17, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
U.S. 169 from I-70 in Kansas City past the downtown airport is kind of like this description. Further north it's more of a true freeway closer to where it intersects I-29.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: sp_redelectric on December 18, 2011, 01:53:35 AM
Oregon 99W seems to have a few intermittent stretches that act similar - namely between the Tualatin River and Rex Hill, again between Newberg and Dundee, and yet again between Lafayette and McMinnville.  However in these sections there is a full median and not just a jersey barrier, so would that disqualify it?

Oregon 22 between the junctions with Oregon 51 and Oregon 99W west of Salem could potentially qualify since it used to be a standard five-lane road, with the jersey barrier taking out the center left-turn lane; yet private driveway access is still maintained.  Oregon 22 east of Salem, towards Stayton, is a mix of separate median and jersey barrier, but I'm not sure how many driveway accesses that it has.  It does, however, have an at-grade railroad crossing which is rather odd for what is otherwise a freeway.  (The railroad crosses not only the four lanes of the mainline, but also an on-ramp.)
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: TheStranger on December 18, 2011, 03:42:00 AM
Oregon 99W seems to have a few intermittent stretches that act similar - namely between the Tualatin River and Rex Hill, again between Newberg and Dundee, and yet again between Lafayette and McMinnville.  However in these sections there is a full median and not just a jersey barrier, so would that disqualify it?

I would think that as long as there are no median crossings, it'd fit the description.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: signalman on December 18, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
^ It certainly should.  There are "Jersey freways" with actual median seperation, not a concrete barrier, here in Jersey.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: sandiaman on December 22, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
I-40 in New Mexico :)

for some reason, I remember those "TEMPORARY" side roads being closed off.  Am I mistaken?

that said - I-40 around the NC/TN line.  I-5 in the Grapevine.  I-8 in a few spots in western Arizona.  And probably others I am not recalling successfully.

I'm sure I-10 and/or I-20 in far western Texas are also like that. It's been years since I last came through what I used to call "the world's largest nowhere!"
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: BlueNacho on January 08, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
IL 72 through Busse woods (I290 to Arlington Heights Road) is sort of a jersey freeway Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays. Those days, left turns are prohibited. The only intersections in that area are access to the preserve.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Some_Person on October 27, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
PA 12 seems to be a Jersey Freeway for a few miles: http://goo.gl/maps/TkpXg
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: roadman65 on October 27, 2012, 09:36:16 PM
It does look like part of the Gordon Highway in Augusta, GA is that way.  There are long segments between signals that have RIRO situations in between them.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Revive 755 on October 27, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
US 67 around St. Louis has a couple sections, one near Rte D/Page Avenue and another around MO 340.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maryland+heights,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.703547,-90.404606&spn=0.01415,0.033023&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Maryland+Heights,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maryland+heights,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.703547,-90.404606&spn=0.01415,0.033023&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Maryland+Heights,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=h&z=16)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maryland+heights,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.673399,-90.401677&spn=0.007078,0.016512&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Maryland+Heights,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=h&z=17 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maryland+heights,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.673399,-90.401677&spn=0.007078,0.016512&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Maryland+Heights,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=h&z=17)
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: mgk920 on October 27, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
I-40 in New Mexico :)

for some reason, I remember those "TEMPORARY" side roads being closed off.  Am I mistaken?

that said - I-40 around the NC/TN line.  I-5 in the Grapevine.  I-8 in a few spots in western Arizona.  And probably others I am not recalling successfully.

I'm sure I-10 and/or I-20 in far western Texas are also like that. It's been years since I last came through what I used to call "the world's largest nowhere!"

There is a short section of I-90 just west of Gillette, WY that has RIRO accesses to exurban sprawl side streets.

Also, there is a RIRO side road connection on WB I-80 in the Delaware Water Gap in New Jersey.

Mike
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2012, 02:31:46 AM
PA 12 seems to be a Jersey Freeway for a few miles: http://goo.gl/maps/TkpXg
A lot of that I think is actual freeway, though. I'll be back before too long, as I alternate going that way with US 222 and US 1.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Roadsguy on October 28, 2012, 09:59:35 AM
PA 12 seems to be a Jersey Freeway for a few miles: http://goo.gl/maps/TkpXg
A lot of that I think is actual freeway, though. I'll be back before too long, as I alternate going that way with US 222 and US 1.

Yeah, most of it is. It has businesses and cross streets on it from the beginning to the "ramps" to PA 183, all left over from back when surface 422 along 222 south of there fed right into Warren Street(?). I don't know much about the configuration history right there, though.

Google mistakenly labels it as "expressway," despite the businesses.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: Laura on October 31, 2012, 12:37:10 AM
- The section of MD 140 that is used as a transition from I-795 in Baltimore is a jersey freeway.

- US 29/460 east of Lynchburg, VA was recently turned into a jersey freeway with jug handles and no left turns. You can only enter and exit businesses from the right side of the road. This was done in order to avoid extending US 29 southeast of Lynchburg (which would completely bypass it)

- I would argue that Utica, New York is one giant jersey freeway. Their slogan should be "no left turns ever".
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: StogieGuy7 on October 31, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
I would add portions of US 5 (Riverdale Rd.) through West Springfield, MA and the portion of US 5/CT 15 known as the Berlin Turnpike - through the towns of Berlin, Newington and part of Weathersfield, CT.   

US 41 between IL 120 and Deerfield, IL also qualifies as this type of highway. 

What all three have in common was that they were originally constructed back in the 1930's and 1940's, before standards for limited access highways/freeways were standardized.   Which is also why you still see highways such as this in much of Latin America.   It's definitely cheaper to do it this way.
Title: Re: "Jersey freeways" outside of New Jersey
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 31, 2012, 10:22:49 AM
Mexico is full of this type of expressway.

MX-2 between Calexico and San Luis Rio Colorado is like this as well.