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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2100 on: October 17, 2018, 06:12:00 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
I believe the back story on this is that NCDOT told residents, "We can close the road for 6-8 months and build the darn thing, or we can maintain traffic, but in that case the construction will last much longer." The public reply was, "Build it."
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« Reply #2101 on: October 18, 2018, 03:29:23 AM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility. 
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« Reply #2102 on: October 18, 2018, 09:01:43 AM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.

Maybe the communities along the 421 corridor between Wilkesboro and Winston-Salem will ask for an interstate designation at some point and NC will add it to the list lol.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2103 on: October 18, 2018, 09:17:11 AM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.

Maybe the communities along the 421 corridor between Wilkesboro and Winston-Salem will ask for an interstate designation at some point and NC will add it to the list lol.

That particular corridor has gotten a couple of shout-outs over in Fictional -- extended west to I-26 near Johnson City, TN -- as a potential 2di in the high-40's.  Wouldn't hold my breath; construction costs up around the Blue Ridge & around Boone would likely result in a "fail" as regards a CBE.  Its principal saving grace is that it allows a more direct route west than I-40 through Pisgah Gorge (and potentially less troublesome and prone to closures).  Nevertheless, presently on no official radar!
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2104 on: October 18, 2018, 09:19:45 AM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.

Maybe the communities along the 421 corridor between Wilkesboro and Winston-Salem will ask for an interstate designation at some point and NC will add it to the list lol.

That particular corridor has gotten a couple of shout-outs over in Fictional -- extended west to I-26 near Johnson City, TN -- as a potential 2di in the high-40's.  Wouldn't hold my breath; construction costs up around the Blue Ridge & around Boone would likely result in a "fail" as regards a CBE.  Its principal saving grace is that it allows a more direct route west than I-40 through Pisgah Gorge (and potentially less troublesome and prone to closures).  Nevertheless, presently on no official radar!

I was only thinking of it as a 3di. It looks like it's a freeway between Winston-Salem and Wilkesboro already. They would probably have to upgrade it to interstate standards but I don't want to stray too far into fictional territory.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2105 on: October 18, 2018, 03:20:41 PM »

NCDOT has awarded a contract to widen and make improvements to I-440 between Walnut Street and Wade Avenue. Construction to begin early next year and is expected to be finished by August 1, 2023.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-18-interstate-440-project-raleigh-awarded.aspx
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« Reply #2106 on: October 18, 2018, 06:47:07 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.
Not likely. The city asked that the Business 40 signage be removed; presumably it would oppose any I-640 designation. It's not true that every place in NC is hot for new interstate routes.
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« Reply #2107 on: October 18, 2018, 06:50:21 PM »

NCDOT has awarded a contract to widen and make improvements to I-440 between Walnut Street and Wade Avenue. Construction to begin early next year and is expected to be finished by August 1, 2023.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-18-interstate-440-project-raleigh-awarded.aspx
Good news. A complicated but badly needed project.
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« Reply #2108 on: October 18, 2018, 08:31:36 PM »

NCDOT has awarded a contract to widen and make improvements to I-440 between Walnut Street and Wade Avenue. Construction to begin early next year and is expected to be finished by August 1, 2023.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-18-interstate-440-project-raleigh-awarded.aspx
Good news. A complicated but badly needed project.

The project also includes the grade separation of the Blue Ridge Rd/Hillsborough St intersection and Blue Ridge Rd/NCRR crossing.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2109 on: October 18, 2018, 08:37:20 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
I believe the back story on this is that NCDOT told residents, "We can close the road for 6-8 months and build the darn thing, or we can maintain traffic, but in that case the construction will last much longer." The public reply was, "Build it."

Any idea how much impact this will have on I-40 during construction? It's getting hard to go anywhere in the state without running into major highway construction (which is of course a good thing in the long term).
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« Reply #2110 on: October 18, 2018, 08:59:47 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.
Not likely. The city asked that the Business 40 signage be removed; presumably it would oppose any I-640 designation. It's not true that every place in NC is hot for new interstate routes.

I suppose W-S wants to keep the now Biz 40/now & future US 421 loop as primarily a local server; any Interstate reference, regardless of shield color, might be construed as an alternate through route -- and they'd like to funnel as much through traffic as possible onto the main I-40 trunk to the south.  The fact that I-74 is being diverted to an eastern bypass rather than simply tie in to US 52 underscores that city's resolve in that regard -- although I wonder how they'll rationalize the elevation of US 52 to I-285 in light of that local preference. 
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« Reply #2111 on: October 19, 2018, 01:05:23 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility.
Not likely. The city asked that the Business 40 signage be removed; presumably it would oppose any I-640 designation. It's not true that every place in NC is hot for new interstate routes.

I suppose W-S wants to keep the now Biz 40/now & future US 421 loop as primarily a local server; any Interstate reference, regardless of shield color, might be construed as an alternate through route -- and they'd like to funnel as much through traffic as possible onto the main I-40 trunk to the south.  The fact that I-74 is being diverted to an eastern bypass rather than simply tie in to US 52 underscores that city's resolve in that regard -- although I wonder how they'll rationalize the elevation of US 52 to I-285 in light of that local preference.
That segment of I40 in Winston was opened in 1992ish if I recall but it feels somehow substandard / tight. There is not a full shoulder between the left lane and the Jersey Barriers, I think. It is usually the worst part of my frequent trips between Cary and Asheville (I take the southern bypass around Greensboro to avoid Death Valley). It will only get worse during the reconstruction of Green 40.
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« Reply #2112 on: October 19, 2018, 07:05:23 PM »

^ I believe the section of New 40 from Silas Creek Pkwy to I-74/US 311 (the substandard section) is much older than 1992.  On either side of that section was 1992 vintage and is definitely at modern interstate standards.  I never rode on the old stretch prior to all of it being completed, but Im going to assume that additional lanes were added prior to it becoming I-40.  And since 1992, the only improvement I can think of that has occurred is a second overpass at the Union Cross Rd exit and its conversion to a DDI.
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« Reply #2113 on: October 19, 2018, 07:46:41 PM »

^ I believe the section of New 40 from Silas Creek Pkwy to I-74/US 311 (the substandard section) is much older than 1992.  On either side of that section was 1992 vintage and is definitely at modern interstate standards.  I never rode on the old stretch prior to all of it being completed, but Im going to assume that additional lanes were added prior to it becoming I-40.  And since 1992, the only improvement I can think of that has occurred is a second overpass at the Union Cross Rd exit and its conversion to a DDI.


Yes, the short segment you describe was opened in the early 1970s
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« Reply #2114 on: October 19, 2018, 08:38:35 PM »

^ I believe the section of New 40 from Silas Creek Pkwy to I-74/US 311 (the substandard section) is much older than 1992.  On either side of that section was 1992 vintage and is definitely at modern interstate standards.  I never rode on the old stretch prior to all of it being completed, but Im going to assume that additional lanes were added prior to it becoming I-40.  And since 1992, the only improvement I can think of that has occurred is a second overpass at the Union Cross Rd exit and its conversion to a DDI.


Yes, the short segment you describe was opened in the early 1970s

What was it designated when it opened? Was the plan always for it to be a bypass of I-40?
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« Reply #2115 on: October 19, 2018, 09:04:40 PM »

^ I believe the section of New 40 from Silas Creek Pkwy to I-74/US 311 (the substandard section) is much older than 1992.  On either side of that section was 1992 vintage and is definitely at modern interstate standards.  I never rode on the old stretch prior to all of it being completed, but Im going to assume that additional lanes were added prior to it becoming I-40.  And since 1992, the only improvement I can think of that has occurred is a second overpass at the Union Cross Rd exit and its conversion to a DDI.


Yes, the short segment you describe was opened in the early 1970s

What was it designated when it opened? Was the plan always for it to be a bypass of I-40?

The 1980 Forsythe County map shows this as SR 3827.  The road is shown east to the E. Clemmonsville Rd interchange with ramps extending to NC 109 Thomasville Rd.

The 1990 version shows no designation of any kind though no existing primary route was using it either...

The 1992 Route Change document to add I-40 to it did not mention the designations it was usurping when it was placed on this routing.
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« Reply #2116 on: October 19, 2018, 11:11:07 PM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility. 

Did anyone notice on the animation for the road that one direction has 3 lanes, but the other one only has one?  Also am I the only person who thinks the freeway should be 6 or 8 lanes instead of 4?
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« Reply #2117 on: October 20, 2018, 01:03:07 AM »

A 1.2-mile stretch of Business 40 in Winston-Salem between Peters Creek Parkway and US-52 will close on November 11 and reopen in summer 2019. Project info here:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-16-business-40-closure-date.aspx
And then it will be Business 40 no more.

And that's not particularly a bad thing; business-loop freeways, invariably over old Interstate alignments, have always seemed to me to be a bit gratuitous and more than a bit pointless, especially when an appropriate alternate designation is available.  Since US 421 has been the historic E-W route through town for several decades now, utilizing it as the primary designation of the downtown freeway server is most fitting -- if NCDOT can resist the temptation to slap something like I-640 on the improved facility. 

Did anyone notice on the animation for the road that one direction has 3 lanes, but the other one only has one?  Also am I the only person who thinks the freeway should be 6 or 8 lanes instead of 4?

Probably ROW constraints or the city pushing for a simpler parkway rather than a modern high-capacity freeway. A six-lane widening seems like something NCDOT would normally do, like what they have planned for the four-lane part of I-440 in Raleigh.

They do seem to have long-term plans to widen Business 40 Salem Parkway to six lanes at least east of US 52 (future I-285?). All the new bridges are designed to accommodate this. Hopefully they redo the cloverleaf with 52. That interchange seems pretty underpowered for an interchange between two downtown freeways.
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« Reply #2118 on: October 20, 2018, 04:05:19 PM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being? 
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« Reply #2119 on: October 20, 2018, 05:09:34 PM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being?

I thought below I-40 was all that is sure to get I-285 for the time being, albeit with eventual plans to extend it north. Did it get approved all the way up to the Northern Beltway despite the substandard parts of US 52?
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« Reply #2120 on: October 20, 2018, 05:14:38 PM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being?

I thought below I-40 was all that is sure to get I-285 for the time being, albeit with eventual plans to extend it north. Did it get approved all the way up to the Northern Beltway despite the substandard parts of US 52?

I-285 was only approved between I-85 and I-40. NCDOT would need to send another application to AASHTO & FHWA if they want to extend I-285 to the future I-74 interchange.

As for US-52 in downtown Winston-Salem, there was a project done a few years ago that brought it up to interstate standards, IIRC.
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« Reply #2121 on: October 21, 2018, 01:10:28 AM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being?

I thought below I-40 was all that is sure to get I-285 for the time being, albeit with eventual plans to extend it north. Did it get approved all the way up to the Northern Beltway despite the substandard parts of US 52?

I-285 was only approved between I-85 and I-40. NCDOT would need to send another application to AASHTO & FHWA if they want to extend I-285 to the future I-74 interchange.

As for US-52 in downtown Winston-Salem, there was a project done a few years ago that brought it up to interstate standards, IIRC.

Makes sense -- thanks!  Extending I-285 any further north than I-40 would, regardless of whether or not the NE I-74 belt is completed, be a pointless exercise until the rest of US 52 north to the completed I-74 connection to I-77 is appropriately upgraded. 
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« Reply #2122 on: October 21, 2018, 09:31:22 AM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being?

I thought below I-40 was all that is sure to get I-285 for the time being, albeit with eventual plans to extend it north. Did it get approved all the way up to the Northern Beltway despite the substandard parts of US 52?

I-285 was only approved between I-85 and I-40. NCDOT would need to send another application to AASHTO & FHWA if they want to extend I-285 to the future I-74 interchange.

As for US-52 in downtown Winston-Salem, there was a project done a few years ago that brought it up to interstate standards, IIRC.

Makes sense -- thanks!  Extending I-285 any further north than I-40 would, regardless of whether or not the NE I-74 belt is completed, be a pointless exercise until the rest of US 52 north to the completed I-74 connection to I-77 is appropriately upgraded.
I think they will upgrade it to 77 eventually, just not in the next 10 years if we're going off of the STIP. I'm not sure how much of a hurry they're in to build it since it will only go till the VA state line and won't be upgraded past that.

Correction: I guess they only have to upgrade it up to Mount Airy. I-77 to Mount Airy is already I-74 according to http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/prog74.html.
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« Reply #2123 on: October 21, 2018, 10:12:54 AM »

^^^^^^^
Speaking of I-285 -- the signage of that route was slated to begin either later this year or in early 2019.  Given that the extension of the I-74 NE loop portion won't get to US 52 for a few years, will that I-285 signage end at I-40 for the time being? 


Ive periodically checked the NC letting website to check for sign plans...nothin yet though. Plus I typically go 85/52 when I go to W-S for that reason. Itll get done eventually :)
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« Reply #2124 on: October 22, 2018, 04:04:51 PM »

A contract to widen a stretch of I-95 from 4 to 8 lanes will be awarded next spring. Two public meetings will be held later this month to discuss the project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-i-95-widening-set-to-begin.aspx

The first meeting in Benson has been postponed due to expected bad weather from the remnants of Hurricane Michael.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-09-benson-meeting-postponed.aspx

That meeting is now scheduled for November 8.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-22-i-95-open-house-rescheduled.aspx
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