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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1050 on: December 26, 2018, 06:56:00 PM »

MA 99, at least the freeway portion, is like a northern Storrow drive in terms of drivability. And only one lane in parts now
MA 99 does not have a freeway portion.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1051 on: December 27, 2018, 12:17:17 PM »

MA 99, at least the freeway portion, is like a northern Storrow drive in terms of drivability. And only one lane in parts now
MA 99 does not have a freeway portion.
Might be talking about RI 99.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1052 on: December 27, 2018, 01:06:40 PM »

MA 99, at least the freeway portion, is like a northern Storrow drive in terms of drivability. And only one lane in parts now
Assuming you mean RI 99, I don't see many similarities.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1053 on: December 27, 2018, 01:11:05 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1054 on: December 27, 2018, 01:17:51 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1055 on: December 28, 2018, 05:46:31 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge. So quite a short freeway segment to be sure (I believe shorter than any other segment of limited-access roadway in Mass), but one nonetheless.

And yes it is now a Super 2, but a divided limited-access Super 2 in the open cut, as opposed to a non-freeway Super 2 such as US 44 in Middleboro which is undivided and has traffic lights.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1056 on: December 28, 2018, 06:12:34 PM »

Though Storrow Drive barely qualifies as a freeway anymore due to it's speed limit of 40.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1057 on: December 28, 2018, 06:21:54 PM »

Though Storrow Drive barely qualifies as a freeway anymore due to it's speed limit of 40.
That's like saying you barely qualify as human due to you're age of 15.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1058 on: December 28, 2018, 07:35:59 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge. So quite a short freeway segment to be sure (I believe shorter than any other segment of limited-access roadway in Mass), but one nonetheless.

And yes it is now a Super 2, but a divided limited-access Super 2 in the open cut, as opposed to a non-freeway Super 2 such as US 44 in Middleboro which is undivided and has traffic lights.
I would just call it a ramp.

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1059 on: December 28, 2018, 08:05:16 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge. So quite a short freeway segment to be sure (I believe shorter than any other segment of limited-access roadway in Mass), but one nonetheless.

And yes it is now a Super 2, but a divided limited-access Super 2 in the open cut, as opposed to a non-freeway Super 2 such as US 44 in Middleboro which is undivided and has traffic lights.
I would just call it a ramp.

It's certainly set up as the mainline of MA 99, so I wouldn't call it a ramp, but it's basically one interchange. It's no more of a freeway than this.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1060 on: December 28, 2018, 11:11:38 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge. So quite a short freeway segment to be sure (I believe shorter than any other segment of limited-access roadway in Mass), but one nonetheless.

And yes it is now a Super 2, but a divided limited-access Super 2 in the open cut, as opposed to a non-freeway Super 2 such as US 44 in Middleboro which is undivided and has traffic lights.
I would just call it a ramp.

It's certainly set up as the mainline of MA 99, so I wouldn't call it a ramp, but it's basically one interchange. It's no more of a freeway than this.
The one underpass is a mainline, but then Sullivan Square is more of a glorified ramp. It felt even more that way when the old flyover also existed.

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« Reply #1061 on: December 29, 2018, 04:08:42 PM »

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge.

Which bridge is the Malden Bridge?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1062 on: December 29, 2018, 05:34:16 PM »

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge.

Which bridge is the Malden Bridge?

The bridge to Malden on 99. Probably shouldnít have capitalized bridge, but google maps had it in caps so I wasnít sure if maybe it was an official name
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1063 on: December 29, 2018, 07:56:35 PM »

two things:

button copy, even though it is rare nowadays, still exists on I-495 on older and not yet replaced signage for Exit 13.

if you go to Millbury at the 146/90/20 interchange, the newer signs have a blue-background Pike pilgrim hat sign (these signs can be seen coming from US 20 and the second one is hidden behind the older one)
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1064 on: December 29, 2018, 08:55:02 PM »

Itís limited access, open cut, no driveways between BHCC and the Malden Bridge.

Which bridge is the Malden Bridge?

The bridge to Malden on 99. Probably shouldnít have capitalized bridge, but google maps had it in caps so I wasnít sure if maybe it was an official name

Thatís what Iím not clear on.  99 doesnít go into Malden for a good 3 miles from Sullivan Square.

Do you mean the Alford Street bridge over the Mystic River?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1065 on: December 29, 2018, 09:01:09 PM »

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1066 on: January 02, 2019, 09:40:51 AM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!
The key phrase in the above is Jersey freeway.

Here's a thread that discusses & describes such.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1067 on: January 02, 2019, 05:01:25 PM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!
The key phrase in the above is Jersey freeway.

Here's a thread that discusses & describes such.
Itís not a jersey freeway though as there are no driveways and access is completely limited
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1068 on: January 03, 2019, 09:46:18 AM »

Probably talking about the Jersey freeway in Charlestown, including the Sullivan Square underpass.
That's a freeway?!
The key phrase in the above is Jersey freeway.

Here's a thread that discusses & describes such.
Itís not a jersey freeway though as there are no driveways and access is completely limited
Access to Bunker Hill Community College of MA 99 South.  While such is styled like an interchange ramp; it's really a glorified driveway entry/exit.

Further south along MA 99/Rutherford Ave., Signalized intersection for US 1 North access ramps.

Jersey freeways can have signalized intersections whereas limited-access highways/freeways/expressways typically do not (yes, I'm aware of some freak, isolated exceptions out there).

Long story short; MA 99/Rutherford Ave. isn't anymore of a limited-access highway than MA 2 along Commonwealth Ave. in Boston is.  Such has a couple of interchanges along the way as well.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1069 on: January 03, 2019, 11:54:03 AM »

From my experience, I'd agree with calling Rutherford Ave controlled-access from the Tobin ramps up to the Mystic River.  The access to the community college is designed too much like a ramp to call it a "glorified driveway".

Though I'm curious why it was narrowed to a single lane each way under Sullivan Square.  Anyone have the story on that?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1070 on: January 03, 2019, 01:37:06 PM »

From my experience, I'd agree with calling Rutherford Ave controlled-access from the Tobin ramps up to the Mystic River.  The access to the community college is designed too much like a ramp to call it a "glorified driveway".
While it may be designed like a ramp, there is absolutely no highway-style signage (not even hints of such) for that ramp either at the gore nor an approach (standard criteria for interchange ramps).  That said, such is viewed on the same level as either a driveway or (maybe more accurate description) an entry point to a shopping center/mall parking lot. 

Additionally & to the best of my knowledge, not one map cartographer (Rand McNally, AAA, Goshua, etc.) that uses a specific linetype and/or color to distinguish limited-access highways from non-limited-access ones has ever used such for this stretch of MA 99/Rutherford Ave.  And before one mentions oh, it's only for a short segment as a reason for not showing it as such; for many years, Rand McNally showed the short stretch of US 1 between MA 62 & I-95 in Danvers as a limited-access highway (south of 62, it was shown as just a divided highway).  The stretch of 99 between the Tobin Bridge ramps and the Mystic River is roughly twice the distance of that stretch of US 1

Though I'm curious why it was narrowed to a single lane each way under Sullivan Square.  Anyone have the story on that?
This (deteriorating concrete above) could be the reason.  Roadman or someone else from the area can confirm/correct/clarify.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1071 on: January 03, 2019, 02:43:16 PM »

From my experience, I'd agree with calling Rutherford Ave controlled-access from the Tobin ramps up to the Mystic River.  The access to the community college is designed too much like a ramp to call it a "glorified driveway".

Though I'm curious why it was narrowed to a single lane each way under Sullivan Square.  Anyone have the story on that?

From my experience, this is a surface arterial without access control that just happens to not have any driveways between these two underpasses. Nothing precludes such so access is not limited.
The single lane narrowing was done based on traffic volumes for safety reasons, instead of having 4 lanes with no shoulders in a narrow tub with concrete walls.

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1072 on: January 03, 2019, 08:38:55 PM »

I get that it's not officially designated as controlled-access or even limited-access...nonetheless, that is how it currently functions.

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There are Jersey barriers blocking the lane directly under the overpasses, so instead of 4 lanes you now have 2 lanes with no shoulders in a narrow tub.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1073 on: January 03, 2019, 09:30:45 PM »

From my experience, I'd agree with calling Rutherford Ave controlled-access from the Tobin ramps up to the Mystic River.  The access to the community college is designed too much like a ramp to call it a "glorified driveway".
While it may be designed like a ramp, there is absolutely no highway-style signage (not even hints of such) for that ramp either at the gore nor an approach (standard criteria for interchange ramps).  That said, such is viewed on the same level as either a driveway or (maybe more accurate description) an entry point to a shopping center/mall parking lot. 

Additionally & to the best of my knowledge, not one map cartographer (Rand McNally, AAA, Goshua, etc.) that uses a specific linetype and/or color to distinguish limited-access highways from non-limited-access ones has ever used such for this stretch of MA 99/Rutherford Ave.  And before one mentions oh, it's only for a short segment as a reason for not showing it as such; for many years, Rand McNally showed the short stretch of US 1 between MA 62 & I-95 in Danvers as a limited-access highway (south of 62, it was shown as just a divided highway).  The stretch of 99 between the Tobin Bridge ramps and the Mystic River is roughly twice the distance of that stretch of US 1

Though I'm curious why it was narrowed to a single lane each way under Sullivan Square.  Anyone have the story on that?
This (deteriorating concrete above) could be the reason.  Roadman or someone else from the area can confirm/correct/clarify.
I think it can be compromised to call 99 a “controlled access highway by coincidence” if we want to coin a term. Along those lines I’m curious how these maps listed the US 5 “roadway” (for lack of a better term) in West Springfield that roadwaywiz calls the “West Springfield Expressway”? 

This is another “controlled access highway by coincidence”, from 91 across the river and then up into westide where driveways begin along first one side then both
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« Reply #1074 on: January 03, 2019, 10:26:14 PM »

I get that it's not officially designated as controlled-access or even limited-access...nonetheless, that is how it currently functions.

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