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US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« on: June 18, 2009, 08:56:47 AM »

Victims of the fatal crash last summer possibly sueing the MDTA saying that the bridge isn't up to contemporary standards  http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4215  Sounds like another ridiculous lawsuit to me :-/
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 10:09:29 PM »

Imagine what a victory for the plaintiff would portend.  If every road had to be brought up to exact modern standards, we would be out trillions.  Not to mention, what are standards exactly?  The only standards out there are for Interstates, and this one ends shy of the bridge in Annapolis.  Clearly baseless.

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 12:06:34 AM »

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 02:17:28 AM »

I don't think standards are the issue, if the bolts were deteriorated (and the DOT knew) then there is an argument regardless of what year the bridge was built.

But, I'm less likely to believe there being particular bolts there is going to stop a vehicle upwards of 80,000 pounds going 40-50mph from smashing through and hurtling to his death.

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 11:58:40 AM »

More recently, MdTA is having a Finance Committee meeting today to hear proposals about how to increase revenue by $88 million (the article says $70M, but it's been tweeted since then that they're now looking at $88M).  One of the proposals to come out of it will increase Bay Bridge tolls to $5 later this fall, and to $8 on New Year's 2013.  This basically represents a doubling and tripling, respectively, of today's toll which is $2.50.

A related proposal would effectively eliminate the Hatem Bridge decal system for local residents/commuters.  Currently they can buy a decal for $10/yr for unlimited use.  The proposal eliminates that and requires them to get an EZPass (if they don't have one already) and pay $36/yr for unlimited Hatem Bridge use.

The revenue increase is intended to address the agency's bond status and also for increased maintenance.

The full proposal will have to go through a series of public hearings, but approval from the Maryland General Assembly is not required.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 10:36:48 PM »

Froggie (et al.), I just went to DC today, and I picked up the Baltimore Sun when I stopped at a Wawa near Edgewood for a sandwich.  The top story in the Sun - and on WTOP early this afternoon - was the proposed toll increases.  I haven't read the Sun story yet; and the WTOP story mentioned, intriguingly, discounts for E-ZPass holders, but gave no details of that.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 01:02:38 PM »

Please help me.  I live in Richmond, VA.  I am going to a conference in Ocean City, MD.  The issue that I have is I don't want to EVER cross the bay bridge (us 50) or Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (60 miles)  again. 

When I go to Dover, I go up to like Newark, DE and then across.  it's out of the way, but worth it.   :colorful:
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 01:14:37 PM »

Please help me.  I live in Richmond, VA.  I am going to a conference in Ocean City, MD.  The issue that I have is I don't want to EVER cross the bay bridge (us 50) or Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (60 miles)  again. 

When I go to Dover, I go up to like Newark, DE and then across.  it's out of the way, but worth it.   :colorful:

if those two bridges are not an option, then via Newark appears to be the only way to get to Ocean City as well.  take your usual route to Dover, then keep heading down DE-1.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 01:55:19 PM »

Unless you use a different mode of transportation....  If you can find a regional flight into Salisbury, and if there is a place to rent cars around there, you could do that. 
Maybe charter a boat?

But if car is the way it's gotta be, then it seems "via Newark" is as good as it's gonna get.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 02:50:57 PM »

Thanks for the quick tip.  I figured as much.  does anyone know if there are any scary bridges that going through newark?    Also, it is about long how of a trip from Richmond this way?
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 04:26:07 PM »

Thanks for the quick tip.  I figured as much.  does anyone know if there are any scary bridges that going through newark?

You will still have to cross the Millard J. Tydings Bridge across the Susquehanna River. The span is pretty high above the river, but a lot shorter than the Bay Bridge or the Bridge-Tunnel aforementioned.



Also, it is about long how of a trip from Richmond this way?

Richmond is about 200 miles from Newark, Ocean City is about 100 miles south of Newark.

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2011, 05:02:51 PM »

If you're taking DE 1 south from Newark, you also have to cross the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal Bridge, although that's a more newer bridge (1990's completion date):
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 09:21:58 PM »

At least in my opinion, the US 40 Hatem Bridge is lower to the water and therefore less "scary" than the Tydings bridge (I-95) over the Susquehanna, but it's a truss, meaning it has large beams going up around you. I don't know if you'd find that a problem or not. Of all the bridges across the C&D Canal, the DE 1 bridge is probably the least scary.

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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2011, 09:19:39 AM »

If you're scared of bridges and you take I-95 over the Tydings Bridge as mentioned above, you'll want to drive in the center lane of the three over the bridge because of crosswinds. Driving in the center lane allows you more space to either side if you feel like the winds are buffeting your car.

An alternative through that area that does not involve high bridges takes you northwest to US-1 and across the river on the Conowingo Dam. But that might bother you more than a bridge!
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2011, 09:44:46 AM »

To Jennice:  is there anything in particular about the CBBT or the Bay Bridge that you don't like, or is it just long/high bridges in general?  I ask for two reasons:

-It's physically impossible to drive to Ocean City (or anywhere on the Delmarva for that matter) without going across a bridge that's at least a half mile long (US 301/DE 896) and 75ft up in the air (US 13/CBBT).

- As it is, going from Richmond to Ocean City via the Bay Bridge is 20 miles and 20 minutes longer than taking the CBBT.  And detouring up to Elkton/Newport is 80 miles and well over an hour longer than the Bay Bridge.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2011, 11:21:08 AM »

-It's physically impossible to drive to Ocean City (or anywhere on the Delmarva for that matter) without going across a bridge that's at least a half mile long (US 301/DE 896) and 75ft up in the air (US 13/CBBT).

how did that ever happen?  I'm sure there was a time when people could walk to the Delmarva without any bridges being in place - that is the definition of peninsula, as opposed to island.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2011, 11:30:36 AM »

The C&D Canal turned it into an island in the 1820s.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2011, 03:03:45 PM »

I am not afraid of every bridge.  I don't mind the verazono. Althought, I not a big fan of the Goethals bridge (if they still call it that).  The woodrow wilson or delaware memorial isn't bad.  I don't like the bay bridge because it is super high.  I thought I hit a plane the few times I have gone up there.  It is also pretty thin.

@ Froggie.  As far as I know, you are right.  You have to cross some kind of bridge to get to the ocean's.  Although, is that true getting off jersey tpke heading to Atlantic City.  I can't remember.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2011, 04:45:15 PM »

IIRC, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge has an escort service for those with a phobia of heights and bridges.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2011, 10:32:07 PM »

To Jennice:  is there anything in particular about the CBBT or the Bay Bridge that you don't like, or is it just long/high bridges in general?  I ask for two reasons:

-It's physically impossible to drive to Ocean City (or anywhere on the Delmarva for that matter) without going across a bridge that's at least a half mile long (US 301/DE 896) and 75ft up in the air (US 13/CBBT).

- As it is, going from Richmond to Ocean City via the Bay Bridge is 20 miles and 20 minutes longer than taking the CBBT.  And detouring up to Elkton/Newport is 80 miles and well over an hour longer than the Bay Bridge.


If you're going up to the top of the bay, you could always use US 1 over Conowingo Dam.  Which also has no toll.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2011, 07:25:37 PM »

Where do you pick up US 1 Conowingo Dam?  @ Penndot, I think that I have been across the canal bridge before.  That pic looks familiar.  That wasn't bad at all.

@ Alex, the Millards bridge looks fine also.  How do I pick that up?

The Canal or Millard bridge looks like the way to go.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2011, 08:09:03 PM »

Where do you pick up US 1 Conowingo Dam?  @ Penndot, I think that I have been across the canal bridge before.  That pic looks familiar.  That wasn't bad at all.

@ Alex, the Millards bridge looks fine also.  How do I pick that up?

The Canal or Millard bridge looks like the way to go.

US 1 (in case you're new around here :-) ) is the older route along the east coast that passes through a lot of the same cities as 95 does.  Between Baltimore and Philadelphia, it's a bit inland of 95; it is NOT a freeway in the area I'm talking about, but if you have issues with bridges....  It crosses the Susquehanna going over a dam, a little south of the Maryland-Pennsylvania line.  In fact the water upstream of the dam is nearly at eye level if you're driving across it.  (Downstream, there's a drop.)  It's a bit narrow though.  You might look at it on Google Street View.

The quickest way to get to it might be to exit 95 at exit 77 in Maryland, then take Md. 24 north to US 1, then follow the sign that says "US 1 north - Philadelphia".  Once you're across the dam, you can take Md. 222 back down to 95, or there are other options.

Here's the dam:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39.661214,-76.173706&spn=0.059864,0.109692&z=13&vpsrc=6

By the way, as I type, channel 3 in Philadelphia reports the Bay Bridge has been closed.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2011, 08:12:43 PM »

Best way to US 1 is probably MD 24. But no point in going there if you use the Millard Tydings Bridge on I-95.
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Re: US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2011, 09:07:50 PM »

Michael in Philly:
I did see the bay bridge is closed.  It should be permanently....loL.  this is for a conference next month.  I like 95 and want to take that to Ocean City.  Mapquest always takes me across the bay bridge and goin up US 50.
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