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Cities with least developed freeway networks
« on: January 22, 2009, 11:55:43 PM »

Which cities, in your opinion, have the least comprehensive limited access highway networks vis-a-vis their size?

In terms of lane miles per thousand population, I understand that Los Angeles, Washington, Chicago, and Boston, among other places, rank fairly low, while sprawlopoli such as Houston, D/FW, and Phoenix rank higher.

Also, this extends to the lane capacity of freeways within a metro area. Freeway facilities themselves may be plentiful within a locality, but if there are 6 and 8 lane facilities in locations where there is enough traffic demand for 10-12 lanes, this can also count as limited access highway network underdevelopment.

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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 12:02:13 AM »

Baton Rouge immediately comes to mind, even though the population isn't /that/ high in the grand scheme of things.

Although I've never made it up there yet, NYC strikes me as another high entry on this list.

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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 12:06:44 AM »

The Fort Myers/Cape Coral (Florida) area has only one interstate, I-75.  There were plans in the 1980's to build a beltway around the county but they were nixed thanks to NIMBY's.  Now the county residents are regulated to use the only interstate and only a few main arterials to get around, with only four main thoroughfares that reach the interstate.  There are plans to upgrade the Veterans Parkway (CR 884), Colonial Boulevard (FL 884) and Burnt Store Road (CR 765) into an expressway, but it is only in the planning stages (30% submittal) and if it happens it will be some time before construction starts, and that will be at least two decades too late considering the current amount of traffic tie ups in the metropolitan area.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 12:07:02 AM »

Baton Rouge immediately comes to mind, even though the population isn't /that/ high in the grand scheme of things.


Indeed, BR may be the classic example in this case for medium sized cities.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 12:08:28 AM »

Poway, California doesn't have any freeway networks due never happen for building a CA-56 and CA-125 freeways while Poway was rural town in 1960s to 1970s. it shown in Thomas Bros Maps since 1967 to 1980s something.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 12:14:45 AM »

Colorado Springs, CO probably wins this one. 350,000 people and only one actual freeway going through it.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 02:37:28 AM »

Tucson, AZ probably.

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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 03:51:15 AM »

My money's on Austin, Texas. As far as interstates, all they have is I-35, and that gets pretty bogged down most of the day, regardless of what time of the day it is. 

When I was a driver for Greyhound, I cringed every time I had to go to Austin.

That city needs some major help and beltways.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 01:41:22 PM »

Spokane, WA also has a very underdeveloped freeway system.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 06:14:04 PM »

Indianapolis could use a better system with either I-74 and I-69 extended inside I-465 or a better bypass route.  Maybe an I-274 from Crawfordsville to I-70 near New Libson via Lebanon, Anderson, and Newcastle, plus a new route for future I-69 through traffic to bypass I-465.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 10:35:14 PM »

Austin TX, Charlotte NC & Washington DC (The original plans were fine)
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 10:39:03 PM »

I'd consider Charlottes to be getting better now with the loop being almost completed...
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 10:41:55 PM »

Thunder Bay, Ontario...

We meet all interstate and 400 series highway (Ontario's interstates) standards but we still don't have a freeway.  :no:

Though we have 2 controlled access expressways. Not freeways though.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2009, 09:33:02 AM »

Cleveland's hardly "under developed" by the standards proposed here, but it's hardly developed enough downtown to handle traffic now-a-days, especially with the Innerbelt Bridge deemed unsafe for trucks a couple months back.  With it down to three lanes each way (I think) from four, traffic going into downtown Cleveland's pretty awful from all sides.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2009, 09:38:13 AM »

Albuquerque's is the most underdeveloped for large cities
Pittsburgh's is getting better but still dismal
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2009, 10:54:54 AM »

I can't believe no one has said San Francisco. No freeways in the entire cities besides South of Market and the Southeast (ghetto) part.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 03:55:29 PM »

I'd consider Charlottes to be getting better now with the loop being almost completed...

I agree but the inner city freeways are really under built.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2009, 08:04:11 PM »

I believe it US 74 that proceeds east of Charlotte should've been a freeway.  But I would say that Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore are underdeveloped as well as Memphis.  Much of this is due to cancellations, which in some cases is good because much of these plans were overkill.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2009, 09:52:36 PM »

I believe it US 74 that proceeds east of Charlotte should've been a freeway.  But I would say that Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore are underdeveloped as well as Memphis.  Much of this is due to cancellations, which in some cases is good because much of these plans were overkill.

Overkill?  Could you please elaborate? 

I think Memphis could have used I-40 completed through a tunnel under Overton Park, an extension of TN 300 to a new river bridge for a rerouted I-55, and US 78 upgraded to a freeway to at least I-240, if not somehow tying into the unbuilt section of I-40 inside the I-240 loop.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2009, 12:26:04 AM »

Another city that comes to mind is Lexington, KY, population over 530,000 residents as of 2007.  With only two interstates, I-64 and I-75, serving the north and eastern quadrants, this inland metropolis has a very underdeveloped freeway network.  There is no "true" beltway to serve the residents of the city, and I don't count New Circle Road (KY 4) as it A) does not directly connect with I-64 or I-75 (as it was built before them) and B) it is not a full fledged freeway (there are still a few miles of at grade intersections in the northeast quadrant).  Man-O-War Boulevard is no better as it is nothing more than a glorified arterial that has spurred sprawl over the years.  And all the US Highways that spoke out from the center have also served as sprawl inducers.  As far as I know, there are no current plans to extend freeway mileage in the area.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2009, 07:05:36 PM »

I believe it US 74 that proceeds east of Charlotte should've been a freeway.  But I would say that Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore are underdeveloped as well as Memphis.  Much of this is due to cancellations, which in some cases is good because much of these plans were overkill.

I agree with you about Memphis.  I think a nice depressed or decked I-40 would have had minimal impact through the central city.  I was mainly referring to the other cities.
Overkill?  Could you please elaborate? 

I think Memphis could have used I-40 completed through a tunnel under Overton Park, an extension of TN 300 to a new river bridge for a rerouted I-55, and US 78 upgraded to a freeway to at least I-240, if not somehow tying into the unbuilt section of I-40 inside the I-240 loop.

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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2009, 01:04:36 PM »

I think that Modesto could really use another freeway.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2009, 01:15:35 PM »

Madison, WI - it has only the substandard beltine around the south and west sides which is essentially US 12 rerouted around the city,The Interstates on the east side, but nothing downtown (not like we can fit anything through there anymore) and nothing around the north side.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2009, 02:29:58 PM »

I believe it US 74 that proceeds east of Charlotte should've been a freeway.  But I would say that Philadelphia, Washington, and Baltimore are underdeveloped as well as Memphis.  Much of this is due to cancellations, which in some cases is good because much of these plans were overkill.

How is Baltimore underdeveloped? Even though several routes were cancelled it still has alot iof freeways, especially for a city it's size. It's the only place I think where you can be on an Interstate (I-95) and have 3 Interstate exits in a row (Exit 46 I-895, Exit 47, I-195, Exit 49 I-695), that hardly sounds underdeveloped to me.
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Re: Cities with least developed freeway networks
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2009, 08:03:30 PM »

Undeveloped: Bellingham, WA (one four-lane freeway)
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