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Have You Had To Deal With Road Closed?

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What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« on: January 31, 2019, 02:52:24 PM »

It sounds like a dumb question, but I have always wondered:

Who can enter a Road Closed sign to a residential area be cause the entire road is being resurfaced? Can School Bus, Public Transportation, U.P.S., FedEx, and other very large vehicles enter? Or is it limited to Residents and Emergency vehicles?
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2019, 02:55:26 PM »

I would say no one. If you lived on the road, hopefully they have notified you when you can use the road. But otherwise, it's pretty clear road closed means road closed.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2019, 03:34:38 PM »

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an outright “ROAD CLOSED” in this situation. It’s always paired with the “TO THRU TRAFFIC” qualifier whenever I see it.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2019, 04:51:17 PM »

I've known streets to be completely closed, even to residents.  Generally it's only a one-block stretch they're working on in that case, and residents must park on the street nearby instead.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2019, 04:51:53 PM »

When the road in front of my house was rebuilt a few years ago, my access was generally unlimited as a local. It was a dirt/gravel road for a while. Every few weeks we wouldn't have any access. Had to park around the block on more than a few occasions.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2019, 06:16:54 PM »

When I was a kid the local flood control district put a massive storm drain under my street; it started a block away from my home and continued down the alluvial all the way to the bottom of the hill (Glendale, CA).  They marked it closed to through traffic, but maintained about a 8-9' easement down both sides so folks could get into their houses for the duration of the project (which took about 15 months, IIRC).  When the excavation was completed, they completely rebuilt the street, including about the first 8-10 feet of everyone's driveway.  Fortunately, quite a bit of the length was along the edge of a local cemetery, so they only had to contend with driveways along one side.  Luckily for what there was of through traffic, there were plenty of parallel streets to take up the slack.  This was in 1962-63; if such a project were proposed today in most jurisdictions there would undoubtedly be protestations and possible litigation by the local property owners -- even for a project that forestalled local flooding!
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2019, 06:58:19 PM »

Our street is closed every few years when the HOA has it sealcoated. Nobody’s allowed to drive on it, though some people always ignore the yellow tape and drive on it anyway. The maddening part to me is that a lot of our neighbors have no clue how to parallel park and leave way too much space between cars when we all need to park around the corner.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2019, 07:32:59 PM »

There was road that got washed out in the "VA" part of Delmarva, which is the only way in and out of a development, and now they are using a "bumpy, temporary road"...whatever that means.  I saw it last night on the local news: https://www.wmdt.com/2019/01/construction-begins-on-washed-out-road-in-accomack-county/

EDIT: This appears to be what they came up with as their temporary road: https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/2018/09/17/accomack-hillsborough-neighborhood-gets-access-road-after-washout/1334188002/
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 08:16:37 PM »

I would assume if it's closed and you live down there AND the road is transversible that you want to would be asked to show identification.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2019, 09:10:24 PM »

We deal with this occasionally with culvert replacements on dead-end roads. We provide notice to the public that the road will be closed to all through traffic, but our crews keep metal plates that they can put over the excavated portion if an emergency vehicle needs access.

When we do full-width or monolithic resurfacing of narrow roads, we close the road to through traffic, but residents can get in and out via the end of the road that's not blocked by the paving equipment.

I have been known to drive past barricades and to the actual point of the closure for clinching purposes. Had to do this on US 131 in Michigan when a bridge was being replaced, and on US 27 in Indiana where the entire roadbed was being dug up.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2019, 09:51:04 PM »

I know someone who was billed by the HOA for driving on a road that was completely closed and damaging the seal coat.  They'd been notified ahead of time that the road would be closed for most of a day.

I've seen a couple of projects on significant roads take a ridiculously long time.  The pavement was torn up quickly enough, then for months there was no change, and most days you don't even see anyone working.  Then in one day they get half of the length half-way paved (leaving off about the top two inches of pavement), showing that they can get things done quickly when they decide to, and for months again there's no apparent work.  On one of those roads, because it's near the only bridge over a creek in that area and the detour is through a severely broken grid, a lot of people have taken to driving around the barricades, which are marked to allow only residents.  The road isn't in that bad a condition, and it's not like there's ever anyone there working.  Even I do it, and I'm usually a stickler for the rules.  I'll do it only during non-work hours and I go just far enough to get to the first road to the north, which is a much better detour for me than the official one on the south side, which requires 4 stops and 7 turns (to get around less than three quarters of a mile of road).

The other case of taking far too long was on a piece of road with much better detours.  They originally tried keeping it open during non-work hours, but it was in horrendous condition because of frequent rain, so it had to be completely closed, even to residents.  Those barricades were curb-to-curb, and no one went past them.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2019, 01:16:30 PM »

I would assume if it's closed and you live down there AND the road is transversible that you want to would be asked to show identification.

I would assume the police department isn't going to set up and staff a checkpoint for the duration of a local street reconstruction project.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2019, 08:28:32 PM »

I park my car on a nearby street away from the neighbors driveway and walk to my house from there.
That's when the sewer line, gas lines and plumbing to the house under the street were being changed.
I had to park somewhere else until the construction was over.
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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2019, 10:32:02 AM »

Our street is closed every few years when the HOA has it sealcoated. Nobody’s allowed to drive on it, though some people always ignore the yellow tape and drive on it anyway. The maddening part to me is that a lot of our neighbors have no clue how to parallel park and leave way too much space between cars when we all need to park around the corner.

Reading this thread again made me remember I had grumbled about this in a prior thread, so I found my prior post with photo (edited here to remove an unrelated matter). The guy with the white minivan moved away a few years ago. He was by far the worst person in the neighborhood about this. Most people here leave too much space when they parallel park, but they don't carry it to this much of an extreme. On a normal day, it's not a big deal if people don't close up the gaps nice and tight because there's excess capacity on this street. But when they're sealcoating, everyone has to park on this street (unless you have an extra car such that, like me, you just leave one in the garage out of the way so as not to take up a space someone else needs), so parking like this to take up two spots is a complete dick move. (Note my comment below—in this case I had been parked there before him and this knew he had parked squarely in the middle.)

The street shown here is a VDOT street, whereas we live around the corner on an HOA street, hence the different maintenance schedules.

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2. If they have to resurface the roads every 3 years (mill and pave) they are doing something very wrong. A proper pave of a light traffic street should last at least 10-15 years, even in the snowbelt.

They don't do a full milling and paving. I think they call it "sealcoating," though I'm not sure—the contractor comes out and does something and when they're done the street is a nice fresh black color with any cracks and other such stuff filled in. Either way, they tell us in advance and for two days we have to park around the corner.

Actually, that led to its own issue last time when the guy in front of me left at the same time I did, then we came back to find the guy up the street with "Diplomat" plates had parked squarely in the middle of the vacated space, i.e., there was space for two vehicles and he parked so half his vehicle took up each of the two "spaces." That one burned me up because it seemed like a situation where it should be obvious you shouldn't leave excess space because everyone had to park down there (and I did my part by putting the car we weren't going to drive in the garage so as to free up on-street space). I don't know whether he was intentionally being an asshole, whether he was being a dick because he knows his Diplomat plates let him get away with stuff, or whether he doesn't know how to parallel park and he took up too much space because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to get back out. (Doesn't matter anymore, the guy moved away last year.)

See below. I remember this all too clearly. I was parked in front of the Honda to the right and a neighbor was parked between my car and the Toyota to the left. We both left at the same time and I came back 15 minutes later to find the minivan parked like this on a day when all the on-street parking was taken due to the roadwork being done. If we lived in New York or Boston, I doubt it would have gone well for him....


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Re: What Happens When Residential Road Closed?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2019, 06:10:50 AM »

I actually encountered a long closed street recently. In this case they worked on half of the street and half the street was closed off. Construction workers led motorcades and every body got to drive on the wrong side of the road. :)
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