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Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« on: November 27, 2014, 03:37:39 PM »

I'm wondering if anyone has info from Txdot that they will build that segment though Texarkana. There isn't much I'm getting. I think I encountered something about a toll road somewhere BTW
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 05:19:17 PM »

They won't build it through Texarkana; it's all north of the city limits.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2014, 06:02:59 PM »

They won't build it through Texarkana; it's all north of the city limits.
I knew that. I didn't mean that
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2014, 08:34:15 PM »

If it is built as a toll road (which it won't be) US 59-71 will be used to shunpike it. It will get little to no traffic.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2014, 12:26:34 AM »

They won't build it through Texarkana; it's all north of the city limits.

For now...until it's annexed.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2014, 01:16:19 AM »

I had no knowledge of I-49 actually entering Texas, but now that I look over the Texarkana area again, I guess that might happen, seeing that sharp turn to the left towards the state line north of Texarkana. But like NE2 said, it wouldnt actually be in Texarkana, but a little ways north of it. As for Texarkana city limits, I-49 is passing through the Arkansas part of it. I dont think I got what was mentioned about some possible toll road, but if it were to just be for I-49's short 5 miles in Texas, that would be completely useless.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2014, 09:21:01 AM »

I had no knowledge of I-49 actually entering Texas, but now that I look over the Texarkana area again, I guess that might happen, seeing that sharp turn to the left towards the state line north of Texarkana. But like NE2 said, it wouldn't actually be in Texarkana, but a little ways north of it. As for Texarkana city limits, I-49 is passing through the Arkansas part of it. I dont think I got what was mentioned about some possible toll road, but if it were to just be for I-49's short 5 miles in Texas, that would be completely useless.
I know this. It was wile I was looking though the texas plans. I don't know where I found it. But according to the plan, there was going to be a second loop around Texarkana that is a toll road and that would be one of the exits of I-49
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2014, 09:24:13 AM »

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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2014, 10:34:58 AM »

I found something. I will dig deeper http://www.ktbs.com/story/22374799/texarkana-could-get-toll-road

The OP in this thread mentions how the new terrain section of the I-69 Corridor from the Sulphur River to I-30 (presumably near the TexAmericas Center) was included in a 2011 bill for approval as a toll road. However, that approval was contingent on construction beginning in 2015.  Neighborhood opposition has stalled the environmental process of selecting the new terrain I-69 Corridor; 2015 construction will not happen.

I never read the bill and I am not sure if the Northern Loop from I-30 in Texas to the TX/AR state line was also approved for tolls.  However, the current FEIS for the Northern Loop will have to be redone if the new terrain section of the I-69 Corridor (new location for I-369?) is approved and/or built.

This post from AHTD includes a link for the routing of the 5.36 miles of I-49 through Texas.  Here is a snip from the map:



I assume Exit 44 would be the Northern Loop exit; I cannot imagine Texas tolling either the approximate 2 miles of I-49 from the Northern Loop/ I-49 interchange to US 71/59 at the state line or the entire 5.36 miles of I-49 in Texas.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2014, 11:06:18 AM »

I cannot imagine Texas tolling either the approximate 2 miles of I-49 from the Northern Loop/ I-49 interchange to US 71/59 at the state line
See also: I-80 Illinois.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2014, 11:52:59 PM »

I heard that the part of the northern loop from I-49 in Texas to I-30 will be named I-249 and from I-30 southward it will become I-369. Does anyone know if that's true or not?
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2014, 08:04:41 AM »

I heard that the part of the northern loop from I-49 in Texas to I-30 will be named I-249 and from I-30 southward it will become I-369. Does anyone know if that's true or not?
I heard it might become a toll road
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2014, 02:15:59 PM »

I cannot imagine Texas tolling either the approximate 2 miles of I-49 from the Northern Loop/ I-49 interchange to US 71/59 at the state line
See also: I-80 Illinois.

That was a preexisting toll road that I-80 connected to (The Tri-State was built 1958, I-80 was connected in 1966).  This would be a new toll road as a connector between two non-toll segments in another state.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2014, 02:21:39 PM »

I cannot imagine Texas tolling either the approximate 2 miles of I-49 from the Northern Loop/ I-49 interchange to US 71/59 at the state line
See also: I-80 Illinois.

That was a preexisting toll road that I-80 connected to (The Tri-State was built 1958, I-80 was connected in 1966).  This would be a new toll road as a connector between two non-toll segments in another state.
This would also connect the state line to the toll continuation as the outer Texarkana loop. And it very well could exist before I-49 is built to the north.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2014, 03:04:55 PM »

I found something. I will dig deeper http://www.ktbs.com/story/22374799/texarkana-could-get-toll-road
I heard that the part of the northern loop from I-49 in Texas to I-30 will be named I-249 and from I-30 southward it will become I-369. Does anyone know if that's true or not?
I heard it might become a toll road

Judging by this internet post, your information probably relates to the Texas Transportation Commission's June, 2007 authorization of a feasibility study for a Texarkana toll road:

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Local Texas Department of Transportation officials say a feasibility study would be conducted before moving forward with the potential Texarkana-area toll road project. The Texas Transportation Commission recently gave its approval to 80 possible toll roads in Texas. And a corridor around one side of Texarkana was tapped as a candidate project.
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Marcus Sandifer, TxDOT's Atlanta District spokesman, said the loop around one side of Texarkana could get drivers, especially through-traffic, around Texarkana's high traffic areas and back to rural areas. The whole idea is to get the traffic out of the commercialized areas and neighborhoods where there's the heavier traffic. The north part of the route was already determined by the Texas Department of Transportation, the Arkansas Department of Transportation and the Metropolitan Planning Organization, which is made up of both cities, counties and local governments,¯ Sandifer said.
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Sandifer said part of what the feasibility study will consider is whether users would save enough time and avoid enough traffic to use this toll road section. He said what's been approved by the Texas Transportation Commission so far is simply looking at a toll road and studying it. If it's not feasible, it' not going to pay for itself,¯ he said.

I have no idea whether the feasibility study was ever conducted.
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 04:42:53 PM »

This would also connect the state line to the toll continuation as the outer Texarkana loop. And it very well could exist before I-49 is built to the north.
the Texas Transportation Commission's June, 2007 authorization of a feasibility study for a Texarkana toll road

The link to the Texas Transportation Commission's Minute Order does not include the Exhibit A list of 80 proposed toll road projects; however, TxDOT has emailed me a pdf of Exhibit A and it indeed directly references IH 49.  Here is a snip from Exhibit A:



Any thoughts on why US 71 was included?
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2014, 02:46:27 AM »

I wonder will this section be built as a toll or will plans change yet again?
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Re: Interstate 49 Texas (5 miles)
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2014, 02:34:35 PM »

I wonder will this section be built as a toll or will plans change yet again?
To me, it wouldn't make a lot of sense considering the rest of the road is "free"
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