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Author Topic: I-25 control city southbound from Cheyenne redesigned as Fort Collins  (Read 9624 times)

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I was driving across I-80 in Wyoming a couple of days ago at the same time a WYDOT crew was covering the previous FHWA E(m) “Denver” with “Fort Collins” in Clearview. Here is Google Street View of the assembly pre-modification.

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That's crazy unless someone nuked Denver a la "Jericho"...LOL!

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That's similar to Orange County CA removing all Los Angeles controls and replacing them with Santa Ana on I-5 northbound between the San Diego County line and Santa Ana.

The better approach would be two controls:  Fort Collins and Denver
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That's similar to Orange County CA removing all Los Angeles controls and replacing them with Santa Ana on I-5 northbound between the San Diego County line and Santa Ana.

The better approach would be two controls:  Fort Collins and Denver

Bingo!

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They're just getting even because the control for NB I-25 at Denver is Fort Collins. As you would expect - Fort Collins is in Colorado, and is larger than Cheyenne.
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Now I wonder if Cheyenne is still the control city on I-80 eastbound in SLC? 

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That matches what I-25 south has shown for years (I took the below photo in 2009)



What I'm curious about is if I-80 east still uses Omaha, or if they changed that to SidneY

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Now I wonder if Cheyenne is still the control city on I-80 eastbound in SLC? 

As far as I recall from driving through there about a week ago, the control cities at the I-15/I-80 split were Las Vegas and Cheyenne, respectively (which is what Street View still shows).

What I'm curious about is if I-80 east still uses Omaha, or if they changed that to SidneY

I can’t say definitively, but I think I would have recalled an odd control city like “SidneY”—and I don’t remember seeing that last week. I’ll assume it was still Omaha.
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Thanks for the reply Brian!

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Now I wonder if Cheyenne is still the control city on I-80 eastbound in SLC? 


Controls in Salt Lake remain: Reno, Las Vegas, Cheyenne and Ogden.
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I think it's interesting that they downgraded from the closest large city to a smaller town along the way that I-25 barely brushes to the east of.
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I guess it begs the question, whither the two-control-city sign? They seem so sensible – put a short/mid-range and long-range destination on the signs. Was there some research that found this to be confusing or otherwise wasteful? Feels like I don't see them too often anymore.
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I guess it begs the question, whither the two-control-city sign? They seem so sensible – put a short/mid-range and long-range destination on the signs. Was there some research that found this to be confusing or otherwise wasteful? Feels like I don't see them too often anymore.

Anyone can step in and correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that the practice of signing two control cities (local/regional) was ever endorsed—or even condoned, for that matter—by the FHWA. If anything, the MUTCD’s guidelines on amount of legend:

Quote from: MUTCD
Where two or three signs are placed on the same supports, destinations or names should be limited to one per sign, or to a total of three in the display.

...would seem to discourage the practice.
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I guess it begs the question, whither the two-control-city sign? They seem so sensible – put a short/mid-range and long-range destination on the signs. Was there some research that found this to be confusing or otherwise wasteful? Feels like I don't see them too often anymore.

Bingo!  "Other Desert Cities" indeed...LOL!  PHOENIX works for me!  I know where the major cities are but the podunk towns not so much.

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I was driving across I-80 in Wyoming a couple of days ago at the same time a WYDOT crew was covering the previous FHWA E(m) “Denver” with “Fort Collins” in Clearview. Here is Google Street View of the assembly pre-modification.

Great picture, Brian! Thank you for sharing. I went through there last year heading north and encountered some changed signs, but didn't see the changes you showed here. Neat to see the crews making the sign replacement right when you passed through the area.
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I think it's interesting that they downgraded from the closest large city to a smaller town along the way that I-25 barely brushes to the east of.

I don't consider FoCo a small town.  It used to be, but now it's three times the size of Cheyenne, and it's the 4th-largest city in Colorado.  It's arguably the "capital" of the booming Northern Front Range, and in my opinion it totally makes sense to use it as a control city from Cheyenne.
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I think it's interesting that they downgraded from the closest large city to a smaller town along the way that I-25 barely brushes to the east of.

I don't consider FoCo a small town.  It used to be, but now it's three times the size of Cheyenne, and it's the 4th-largest city in Colorado.  It's arguably the "capital" of the booming Northern Front Range, and in my opinion it totally makes sense to use it as a control city from Cheyenne.

Is the signage consistent?  Is Ft Collins used as a control city on all signage on I-25 north of Denver and south of Cheyenne until the highway reached Ft Collins city limits?

It would be confusing if I-25 southbound had a control of Denver from Cheyenne, but then switch to Ft Collins when crossing into Colorado and then back to Denver S of Ft Collins.  If they decide to add Ft Collins as a control, then all the signs need to be changed on I-25 southbound (and connecting roads) from CHeyenne to FC and on I-25 northbound (and connecting roads) from Denver to FC.
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I know Denver does use Fort Collins as the control city for I-25 heading north. It's been years since I've traveled the highway north of Denver so I can't recall mileage signs but the BGSs for I-25 in town, as well as I-270 at I-70 and C-470 (or whatever it's called) all use Fort Collins. I was actually surprised to see Cheyenne not using Fort Collins as noted here.
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I know Denver does use Fort Collins as the control city for I-25 heading north. It's been years since I've traveled the highway north of Denver so I can't recall mileage signs but the BGSs for I-25 in town, as well as I-270 at I-70 and C-470 (or whatever it's called) all use Fort Collins. I was actually surprised to see Cheyenne not using Fort Collins as noted here.

I concur with this assessment ... I think it was the late 1990s or early 2000s when CDOT changed the control city from Cheyenne to Denver along I-25 north. I'm sure Milepost 61 will know for sure.
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It would be confusing if I-25 southbound had a control of Denver from Cheyenne, but then switch to Ft Collins when crossing into Colorado and then back to Denver S of Ft Collins.  If they decide to add Ft Collins as a control, then all the signs need to be changed on I-25 southbound (and connecting roads) from CHeyenne to FC and on I-25 northbound (and connecting roads) from Denver to FC.

Oh, you mean like how I-5 north shows a control city of Los Angeles in San Diego County, then becomes a control city of Santa Ana once in Orange County, then Los Angeles again after passing through Santa Ana?
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It would be confusing if I-25 southbound had a control of Denver from Cheyenne, but then switch to Ft Collins when crossing into Colorado and then back to Denver S of Ft Collins.  If they decide to add Ft Collins as a control, then all the signs need to be changed on I-25 southbound (and connecting roads) from CHeyenne to FC and on I-25 northbound (and connecting roads) from Denver to FC.

Oh, you mean like how I-5 north shows a control city of Los Angeles in San Diego County, then becomes a control city of Santa Ana once in Orange County, then Los Angeles again after passing through Santa Ana?

Yes.  That was a result of Dist. 12 of Caltrans (Orange County) deciding to promote Santa Ana, but not thinking through that it would be confusing if Dist. 11 of Caltrans (San Diego) did not also update its signs.

The first picture of this thread shows the replacement of Denver controls with Fort Collins.  This would only be sensible if every sign on southbound I-25 between Cheyenne and Fort Collins (both states) actaully followed through with the replacement.  Otherwise, they should put in two control cities (fort collins and denver) where appropriate. 
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I just drove I-80 east through Cheyenne today and Denver is still listed as the control city for I-25 south.  Maybe the fact US 287 in Laramie has 3rd Street and Fort Collins listed as the control city would explain why there isn't a change on the sign going eastbound?
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It was the mid-90s (or earlier) when the control city in Denver for I-25 North was changed from Cheyenne to Fort Collins. The overhead sign on Speer Blvd is I think the only sign left with the cover-up plate left from the change.
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Re: I-25 control city southbound from Cheyenne redesigned as Fort Collins
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2015, 01:47:02 AM »

Just drove I-25 North into Wyoming today.  While I wasn't able to get a picture of it, the overhead sign for I-80 West mounted on the College Ave overpass (Exit 7) now has Rock Springs as the control city.  The actual exit sign at I-80 still shows Laramie however the ramp is closed for construction.  I'll try and get a picture on my next trip through there ... I wonder if the actual exit is going to be changed to note Rock Springs as well.  Southbound still shows Laramie on all signs.
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Re: I-25 control city southbound from Cheyenne redesigned as Fort Collins
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 04:30:52 PM »

That's extremely weird.  Rock Springs has a smaller population than Laramie.  I don't know the official guidelines for signage like this, but having Laramie signed seems far more useful than Rock Springs.  The only thing possibly more logical would be Salt Lake City (if they were going for a metropolitan control city), but that's a stretch based upon distance.
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