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NY/NJ trip, July 12–18, 2015
« on: July 01, 2015, 02:43:14 PM »

I'm going to New Jersey in a couple weeks! :) My parents have some friends there and we're gonna be staying with them and moving around the state for a week.

So far I've planned the route we're taking to get there. (I'm specifically using the Fort Erie – Buffalo crossing because I want to clinch the QEW. :)) The stops are in Beamsville, ON, Batavia, NY, Corning, NY and Parsippany, NJ, and of course the border crossing. Assuming we leave around 10am, we will be in Batavia by lunchtime so the stop is longer there. The route on the way back should be similar to that.



EDIT: A change of plans already! Toms River Old Bridge

I'll be posting maps of all the other routes when I have them all planned out.

Is this a good route? Do you think there are any better routes that could be taken? Anything we should stop for along the way?
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 02:53:37 PM »

Rather than taking I-280 to the Garden State Parkway, you could take I-280 to CR 501 east. Now you can pick: CR 501 east to US 1-9 or to NJ 440. I recommend NJ 440. You re-enter New York, except you are in New York City. There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

Getting out of New York City, take I-278 WB to US 1-9 southbound. Then, at the 1-9 split, take US 9 southbound to Toms River.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 03:05:02 PM »

NYC is definitely on the list of places to go, but we might need to head down to Toms River first before going to NYC.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 03:22:39 PM »

Just be aware that the Garden State Parkway will most likely be packed if the weather is anything decent. The Parkway is pretty much the gateway to the Jersey Shore. US 9 and NJ 18 will also quickly become congested.

If I may ask, where in New Jersey are you planning to visit over your stay? The obvious things I could think of would be Six Flags Great Adventure, Seaside Heights, Ocean City, Wildwood, Cape May, etc.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 03:41:03 PM »

Just be aware that the Garden State Parkway will most likely be packed if the weather is anything decent. The Parkway is pretty much the gateway to the Jersey Shore. US 9 and NJ 18 will also quickly become congested.

If I may ask, where in New Jersey are you planning to visit over your stay? The obvious things I could think of would be Six Flags Great Adventure, Seaside Heights, Ocean City, Atlantic City, Wildwood, Cape May, etc.
FTFY  ;-)

I can safely say that the former is not true. On my way from Atlantic City to New York City, the Parkway was free-flowing traffic. The weather was somewhere in the 80s or 90s (degrees Fahrenheit). However, I only was on the section between exit 38 and exit 127 (about 90 miles).
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 12–18, 2015
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 03:48:51 PM »

On the itinerary so far are NYC (13, 14), Atlantic City (14), Princeton (16) and Liberty Park (16). Not quite sure how to fit the others in.

Might be going to Cape May too; I was there in 2000 but my brother hasn't been.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 03:57:45 PM »

On the itinerary so far are NYC (13, 14), Atlantic City (14), Princeton (16) and Liberty Park (16). Not quite sure how to fit the others in.

Might be going to Cape May too; I was there in 2000 but my brother hasn't been.
Ocean City is a quick drive southwest - take Atlantic Avenue until it turns in Ventor Avenue in Margate City. Ventor then curves into NJ 152. On NJ 152, you have two choices:

A) At the end of NJ 152, take Shore Rd to NJ 52. After 2 or so miles, you enter Ocean City

B) you might see a road named "Ocean Drive". It is a direct way on CR 656,  Wesley Avenue.

If you want to go to Cape May, take US 9 all the way south to the ferry, or Garden State Parkway SB for 27 miles.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 07:04:36 PM »

Rather than taking I-280 to the Garden State Parkway, you could take I-280 to CR 501 east. Now you can pick: CR 501 east to US 1-9 or to NJ 440. I recommend NJ 440. You re-enter New York, except you are in New York City. There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

I assume you mean either I-280 to CR 508 east or I-287 to CR 501 east.  I-280 doesn't go to CR 501, certainly not the southern section of it that's east/west.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 11:55:14 PM »


There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

There aren't attractions after 5:00 in the City That Never Sleeps?

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Getting out of New York City, take I-278 WB to US 1-9 southbound. Then, at the 1-9 split, take US 9 southbound to Toms River.

I disagree wholeheartedly.  278 is all but a guarantee of traffic purgatory somewhere between Queens and New Jersey.  The Verrazano is nice if you are a passenger, but comes at a potential steep time cost on the SIE. Even if you opt to use the Outerbridge rather than the Goethals, it'll take forever. 

Take the Lincoln or the Holland out.  Their delays tend to be more predictable and geographically smaller, and either can easily lead to the wonderful Pulaski Skyway. 

Not sure what the Route 9 allure is south of the Raritan, but again, consider what your time is worth.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 02:38:47 AM »


There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

There aren't attractions after 5:00 in the City That Never Sleeps?

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Getting out of New York City, take I-278 WB to US 1-9 southbound. Then, at the 1-9 split, take US 9 southbound to Toms River.

I disagree wholeheartedly.  278 is all but a guarantee of traffic purgatory somewhere between Queens and New Jersey.  The Verrazano is nice if you are a passenger, but comes at a potential steep time cost on the SIE. Even if you opt to use the Outerbridge rather than the Goethals, it'll take forever. 

Take the Lincoln or the Holland out.  Their delays tend to be more predictable and geographically smaller, and either can easily lead to the wonderful Pulaski Skyway. 

Not sure what the Route 9 allure is south of the Raritan, but again, consider what your time is worth.
There certainly is attractions after 5 PM, but there's way less (give or take an hour) attractions after that time. My family and a brother's friend all got bored in New York.

That may be true, but when my family took the GSP to NJ 440 to the Outerbridge, there wasn't a ton of traffic. Traffic picked up on I-678, so the route between (NY 440, I-278, Belt Parkway, NY 878) that part and NJ 440 was almost free-flowing. Keep in mind, this was on a Thursday afternoon (it was about 1:30 PM or so).
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 08:26:34 AM »

He's on the GSP for a short distance SB on Sunday, July 12, so traffic won't be a huge issue.  Any travels on the GSP Monday - Thursday should be fine, except for some rush-hour related congestion closer to NYC.  Friday afternoon and Saturday Southbound, and Sunday Northbound, are when one would encounter massive spikes of shore traffic.

On the itinerary so far are NYC (13, 14), Atlantic City (14), Princeton (16) and Liberty Park (16). Not quite sure how to fit the others in.

Might be going to Cape May too; I was there in 2000 but my brother hasn't been.
Ocean City is a quick drive southwest - take Atlantic Avenue until it turns in Ventor Avenue in Margate City. Ventor then curves into NJ 152. On NJ 152, you have two choices:

A) At the end of NJ 152, take Shore Rd to NJ 52. After 2 or so miles, you enter Ocean City

B) you might see a road named "Ocean Drive". It is a direct way on CR 656,  Wesley Avenue.

If you want to go to Cape May, take US 9 all the way south to the ferry, or Garden State Parkway SB for 27 miles.


I think he can figure all of that out.  The question is, does he have the time to fit it in?  And it would be ridiculous for anyone to take US 9 for long distances unless they have a specific reason to do so.

The drive on the islands from AC/Ventnor to OCNJ is fine (check out Lucy the Elephant just to say you've been by this oddity), unfortunately in that direction is a $1.50 toll.  If one starts in OCNJ then goes north, you avoid that toll, although you would most likely pay a 75 cent toll coming off the GSP to enter Somers Point then Ocean City. 

If you get bored in NYC after 5pm, you didn't try hard enough. 

Sammi - how were you thinking of getting to NYC?  Car, train, bus, ferry?
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1219, 2015
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 10:50:01 AM »

This is what I've been able to put together of the itinerary so far:

12: Thornhill → Old Bridge → Piscataway
13: Piscataway → ??? → NYC
14: NYC → Atlantic City → Toms River
15: Toms River → ??? → Piscataway
16: Piscataway → Princeton → Liberty Park (Jersey City) → Piscataway
17: Piscataway → Washington DC? → ???
18: ???
19: ??? → Thornhill

Sammi - how were you thinking of getting to NYC?  Car, train, bus, ferry?

Would it be more expensive to take the car into the city, or to leave it in, say, Newark, then take a train from there?
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 11:07:33 AM »

Take the train.  Save the hassle.

BTW, Prestige Diner.  NJ 33 just east of the Turnpike.  Best chocolate chip pancakes.
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NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 11:55:58 AM »


There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

There aren't attractions after 5:00 in the City That Never Sleeps?

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Getting out of New York City, take I-278 WB to US 1-9 southbound. Then, at the 1-9 split, take US 9 southbound to Toms River.

I disagree wholeheartedly.  278 is all but a guarantee of traffic purgatory somewhere between Queens and New Jersey.  The Verrazano is nice if you are a passenger, but comes at a potential steep time cost on the SIE. Even if you opt to use the Outerbridge rather than the Goethals, it'll take forever. 

Take the Lincoln or the Holland out.  Their delays tend to be more predictable and geographically smaller, and either can easily lead to the wonderful Pulaski Skyway. 

Not sure what the Route 9 allure is south of the Raritan, but again, consider what your time is worth.
There certainly is attractions after 5 PM, but there's way less (give or take an hour) attractions after that time. My family and a brother's friend all got bored in New York.

Even if you're 11, running out of things to do in NY by 5 is very easy to avoid.  To the OP, please do not regard this experience as typical.

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That may be true, but when my family took the GSP to NJ 440 to the Outerbridge, there wasn't a ton of traffic. Traffic picked up on I-678, so the route between (NY 440, I-278, Belt Parkway, NY 878) that part and NJ 440 was almost free-flowing. Keep in mind, this was on a Thursday afternoon (it was about 1:30 PM or so).

It's not 440, it's getting to it.  Anecdotal experience aside, you needn't dig far in these forums to find laments about the Staten Island Expressway's near-perpetual backups from those of us who have done a lot of time on it.

The BQE, well, is pretty much a  crapshoot.

Best bet for city driving is keep the radio tuned to 880 on the 8s and 1010 WINS on the 10s and be flexible with your route.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 12:05:11 PM »

Oh, if you need a reason to avoid the Staten Island Expressway, take it from me, whose family CONTINUOUSLY uses it because it's the 'fastest' way into Brooklyn to visit my Aunt (I guess that the exit for 72nd Street is right off of I-278 after the bridge which is what we use to get there anyway) - that highway is a hellish nightmare half of the time. I've never been on it where it hasn't been a clusterfuck. Assuming they are done reconstructing the Todt Hill Road interchange, then the traffic should have improved. Still, it's a very substandard Interstate, and the Brooklyn Queens Expressway is no different. If you were going into Manhattan (presumably because everyone loves to visit Manhattan), I would consider taking a train. Just remember that Newark has a lot of auto thefts, so if your car is a nice one, you might want to avoid parking it there, but otherwise Newark Penn Station is the way to go if you are in that area.

Princeton is a great place, but the 'main street' (Nassau Street / NJ 27) is very pedestrian heavy, and Princeton cops are DICKS so do not even go above 3 MPH, because they WILL pull you over. I've seen it plenty of times. 25 in Princeton means 25 (or at best, 27).
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 12:31:09 PM »

If you were going into Manhattan (presumably because everyone loves to visit Manhattan), I would consider taking a train. Just remember that Newark has a lot of auto thefts, so if your car is a nice one, you might want to avoid parking it there, but otherwise Newark Penn Station is the way to go if you are in that area.

We're probably gonna be renting a car or so I'm told. Also we're gonna be going into NYC in a car, because everyone else we're going with might be.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 01:05:07 PM »

I'm a day person typically, but New York is way more fun at night, even if you don't drink.

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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 03:10:18 PM »

If you were going into Manhattan (presumably because everyone loves to visit Manhattan), I would consider taking a train. Just remember that Newark has a lot of auto thefts, so if your car is a nice one, you might want to avoid parking it there, but otherwise Newark Penn Station is the way to go if you are in that area.

We're probably gonna be renting a car or so I'm told. Also we're gonna be going into NYC in a car, because everyone else we're going with might be.

There's a ton of variables, but parking in NYC can be upwards of $50 - $60 a car, plus the tolls, plus the delays.

Lately, my option of choice has been to drive up to the Metropark NJ Transit station just off the Garden State Parkway, and take the train in.  Currently, it's $10 each way for the train to/from NY Penn Station, and $7 a day to park.  NJ Transit permits overnight parking at their train stations (I've left mine for up to about 4 days), and you can eat and drink (including alcohol) on their trains.   Ultimately, it's just an easier experience.

You can find cheaper parking options in NYC by parking further away from the Financial District and Times Square, although I couldn't recommend any one specifically.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 03:36:11 PM »

If you were going into Manhattan (presumably because everyone loves to visit Manhattan), I would consider taking a train. Just remember that Newark has a lot of auto thefts, so if your car is a nice one, you might want to avoid parking it there, but otherwise Newark Penn Station is the way to go if you are in that area.

We're probably gonna be renting a car or so I'm told. Also we're gonna be going into NYC in a car, because everyone else we're going with might be.

There's a ton of variables, but parking in NYC can be upwards of $50 - $60 a car, plus the tolls, plus the delays.

Lately, my option of choice has been to drive up to the Metropark NJ Transit station just off the Garden State Parkway, and take the train in.  Currently, it's $10 each way for the train to/from NY Penn Station, and $7 a day to park.  NJ Transit permits overnight parking at their train stations (I've left mine for up to about 4 days), and you can eat and drink (including alcohol) on their trains.   Ultimately, it's just an easier experience.

You can find cheaper parking options in NYC by parking further away from the Financial District and Times Square, although I couldn't recommend any one specifically.
Actually, if you're lucky enough you might get a good parking deal. When my family parked at a lot we didn't mean to park at, then reasoned with the person running the lot, but then decided to break a good deal - $17 for all day parking. The rates were something like $16 for 1 hour.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 03:37:16 PM »


There's a ton of attractions in NYC as long as you're there before 5 PM eastern time.

There aren't attractions after 5:00 in the City That Never Sleeps?

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Getting out of New York City, take I-278 WB to US 1-9 southbound. Then, at the 1-9 split, take US 9 southbound to Toms River.

I disagree wholeheartedly.  278 is all but a guarantee of traffic purgatory somewhere between Queens and New Jersey.  The Verrazano is nice if you are a passenger, but comes at a potential steep time cost on the SIE. Even if you opt to use the Outerbridge rather than the Goethals, it'll take forever. 

Take the Lincoln or the Holland out.  Their delays tend to be more predictable and geographically smaller, and either can easily lead to the wonderful Pulaski Skyway. 

Not sure what the Route 9 allure is south of the Raritan, but again, consider what your time is worth.
There certainly is attractions after 5 PM, but there's way less (give or take an hour) attractions after that time. My family and a brother's friend all got bored in New York.

Even if you're 11, running out of things to do in NY by 5 is very easy to avoid.  To the OP, please do not regard this experience as typical.
Fair enough, but it happened to be a Wednesday, and it certainly is not typical.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 12–18, 2015
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2015, 04:07:46 PM »

I'm a street parker primarily.  I have the patience and eye for it, I guess.  Depends on the neighborhood and your comfort level with attempting it, but $50 is worth a certain amount of annoyance for me.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2015, 07:24:44 PM »

BTW, Prestige Diner.  NJ 33 just east of the Turnpike.  Best chocolate chip pancakes.

But their chicken fingers absolutely suck, so don't order those.

Meanwhile when you're in the city, avoid restaurants in the rectangle bounded by 8th Ave, 34th St, 3rd Ave, and 59th St. Places in this area primarily exist to give workers a lunch place that is near their office, or to capitalize on tourists. Accordingly, they are all either overpriced, lousy in terms of food, or both.

If you want a diner in the city, the Square Diner at Varick and Leonard is excellent.

If you're looking to experience NY pizza, DO NOT purchase it from anywhere also selling fried chicken. Anywhere else located in The Bronx, Manhattan, or Brooklyn is near guaranteed to be excellent (especially The Bronx - I can make specific recommendations if you're up there). Queens is hit or miss. Staten Island... is equivalent to New Jersey in pizza quality. Which is still a hell of a lot better than what you'll get in most of the country but not as good as proper NY pizza.

I'm a street parker primarily.  I have the patience and eye for it, I guess.  Depends on the neighborhood and your comfort level with attempting it, but $50 is worth a certain amount of annoyance for me.

It's also time dependent. A lot of curb space in Manhattan is no standing 7 AM - 7 PM Mon-Sat or something similar. If it's Sunday or later at night, finding street parking in the city is totally reasonable.

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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 12–18, 2015
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2015, 07:35:52 PM »


I'm a street parker primarily.  I have the patience and eye for it, I guess.  Depends on the neighborhood and your comfort level with attempting it, but $50 is worth a certain amount of annoyance for me.

It's also time dependent. A lot of curb space in Manhattan is no standing 7 AM - 7 PM Mon-Sat or something similar. If it's Sunday or later at night, finding street parking in the city is totally reasonable.

This is true, and regardless of time of day, street parking in the city requires a lot of sign reading that you might feel you need a lawyer for.  It's not that uncommon in Manhattan to have three separate time restriction signs on one post, not all of whose meanings are apparent on the first read.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 1218, 2015
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2015, 10:45:35 PM »

What's the fine if you receive a ticket?

For a while in Philly (many years ago), parking rates were going up, but ticket fines had remained stagnant.  People started parking on the streets without feeding the meters and simply accepting the ticket because it was cheaper than some parking garages.  I think the cheapest ticket is now $35, and the most expensive garages are about $25 per day, so that incentive isn't there currently.
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Re: NY/NJ trip, July 12–18, 2015
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2015, 11:21:06 AM »

Last parking ticket I got in New York was ayear snd a half ago for being a few minutes over a 1:00am street-cleaning parking ban: $110.  So yes, heed the signs.
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