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Author Topic: How do you define Upstate NY?  (Read 29755 times)

MantyMadTown

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Re: How do you define Upstate NY?
« Reply #275 on: September 26, 2018, 02:09:06 AM »

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As someone who's never been to New York, I would probably guess that Upstate NY begins north of the lower Hudson Valley region, i.e. about north of Poughkeepsie.

And what leads you to that conclusion? After all, the whole point here is not to guess, but to see if a boundary can be objectively and empirically determined.

I just wanted to provide my input. No need to shoot it down.

And I am interested in hearing your input; there is no shooting down intended. What, then, are your thoughts?

Anything in New York State that has a general association with New York City. If it's within easy reach of New York City (like if a lot of commuters work there for example), then it's Downstate.

Sounds like you'd adopt more or less the same definition that I would. Is there anything you'd tweak (such as, say, measuring the actual number of commuters rather than just their potential for doing so)?

I wasn't really looking for any actual measurements.
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Re: How do you define Upstate NY?
« Reply #276 on: September 26, 2018, 11:05:08 AM »

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As someone who's never been to New York, I would probably guess that Upstate NY begins north of the lower Hudson Valley region, i.e. about north of Poughkeepsie.

And what leads you to that conclusion? After all, the whole point here is not to guess, but to see if a boundary can be objectively and empirically determined.

I just wanted to provide my input. No need to shoot it down.

And I am interested in hearing your input; there is no shooting down intended. What, then, are your thoughts?

Anything in New York State that has a general association with New York City. If it's within easy reach of New York City (like if a lot of commuters work there for example), then it's Downstate.

Sounds like you'd adopt more or less the same definition that I would. Is there anything you'd tweak (such as, say, measuring the actual number of commuters rather than just their potential for doing so)?

I wasn't really looking for any actual measurements.

Well, the idea is to find something fairly concrete, to be able to draw a specific line and be able to definitively say, on one side of this line is Upstate, and on the other is not, because of such-and-such observable difference. Commutation is also what I use to draw my line, and I particularize it by saying that areas with Metro North service are not Upstate (or, alternately, that those whole counties that are within the Metropolitan Commuter Tax District are not Upstate).

Since you haven't previously thought of a way to measure this, would you just take that as an appropriate definition, or would you look for something more precise?
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Re: How do you define Upstate NY?
« Reply #277 on: September 26, 2018, 05:07:59 PM »

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As someone who's never been to New York, I would probably guess that Upstate NY begins north of the lower Hudson Valley region, i.e. about north of Poughkeepsie.

And what leads you to that conclusion? After all, the whole point here is not to guess, but to see if a boundary can be objectively and empirically determined.

I just wanted to provide my input. No need to shoot it down.

And I am interested in hearing your input; there is no shooting down intended. What, then, are your thoughts?

Anything in New York State that has a general association with New York City. If it's within easy reach of New York City (like if a lot of commuters work there for example), then it's Downstate.

Sounds like you'd adopt more or less the same definition that I would. Is there anything you'd tweak (such as, say, measuring the actual number of commuters rather than just their potential for doing so)?

I wasn't really looking for any actual measurements.

Well, the idea is to find something fairly concrete, to be able to draw a specific line and be able to definitively say, on one side of this line is Upstate, and on the other is not, because of such-and-such observable difference. Commutation is also what I use to draw my line, and I particularize it by saying that areas with Metro North service are not Upstate (or, alternately, that those whole counties that are within the Metropolitan Commuter Tax District are not Upstate).

Since you haven't previously thought of a way to measure this, would you just take that as an appropriate definition, or would you look for something more precise?

Sounds about right.
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Re: How do you define Upstate NY?
« Reply #278 on: October 03, 2018, 08:24:29 AM »

Beautiful and Scenic
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Re: How do you define Upstate NY?
« Reply #279 on: October 03, 2018, 04:17:23 PM »

Beautiful and Scenic

Thank you for the (deserved) kind words!
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