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TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« on: July 02, 2016, 10:26:48 AM »

The push is on to complete Phase II of the TCH104 bypass at Antigonish, Nova Scotia. The final 8km section of the 15.5km highway will open this fall (2016)

The existing alignment at Lower South River has been severed and traffic now diverted onto the new overpass structure that will eventually become part of Trunk 4. The old 104 alignment will be excavated so the new lanes can be constructed across.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1J3Gy3pbm_weSLSs0i7G2PvG1pK4






http://www.thecasket.ca/archives/43074

Phase I west of Beech Hill Rd (Exit 33) has been open since 2012.



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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 11:03:50 AM »

Nice photos! Do you know if there are plans to extend the twinning past this project anytime soon? I don't know what the traffic levels are past Antigonish, maybe it wouldn't be needed.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 11:31:22 AM »

Nice photos! Do you know if there are plans to extend the twinning past this project anytime soon? I don't know what the traffic levels are past Antigonish, maybe it wouldn't be needed.

The big push now is to twin and possibly toll the 37km section from Sutherlands River (near New Glasgow) and the Antigonish Bypass. East of here to the Canso Causeway would probably come after that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-deadly-stretch-of-n-s-highway-a-fix-that-would-cost-1-5-billion-how-much-is-saving-a-life-worth

The province is currently studying twinning and tolling several sections

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/tolls-proposed-for-8-sections-of-4-busiest-nova-scotia-highways-1.3120344

And to give you an idea of how long this might take......I attended the first 'Open House' on the Antigonish Bypass in May 1998....18 years ago!!
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 12:04:48 PM »

Nice photos! Do you know if there are plans to extend the twinning past this project anytime soon? I don't know what the traffic levels are past Antigonish, maybe it wouldn't be needed.

The big push now is to twin and possibly toll the 37km section from Sutherlands River (near New Glasgow) and the Antigonish Bypass. East of here to the Canso Causeway would probably come after that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-deadly-stretch-of-n-s-highway-a-fix-that-would-cost-1-5-billion-how-much-is-saving-a-life-worth

The province is currently studying twinning and tolling several sections

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/tolls-proposed-for-8-sections-of-4-busiest-nova-scotia-highways-1.3120344

Thanks for posting the links! That certainly is an ambitious plan; I hope at least some of these end up happening. But reading the comments, the tolls don't sound popular.

And to give you an idea of how long this might take......I attended the first 'Open House' on the Antigonish Bypass in May 1998....18 years ago!!

That's typical! You certainly need patience when waiting for these big road projects to come about  :rolleyes:
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 06:21:53 AM »

The old 104 right of way has now been severed and the new alignment constructed across (photo from Vince H.)

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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2016, 07:38:49 PM »

There is now (as of this morning, at least) another new section opened, a stretch of road parallel to the old alignment at Dagger Woods. Old stretch is all dug up and nearly gone. No pictures, sorry (phone camera dead, also driving)
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2016, 11:56:19 PM »

Pardon my ignorance on this project, but where will be the eastern terminus be for the freeway NS 104? I know parts were completed a few years back, and is under construction now.

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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 12:11:52 AM »

The current eastern terminus is east of New Glasgow past Exit 27.

Beyond New Glasgow is Antigonish, about 40km east of the current terminus a second freeway segment starts in Antigonish, as previously you faced traffic lights on Hwy 104. What is to open is the second half of the Antigonish bypass.

As to your question, there have been since the Phase 1 of Antigonish opened, two eastern termini to the freeway segment of Hwy 104
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 06:46:47 PM »

Phase 2 of the Bypass is now completed.  I drove it last week, I didn't know it was open until I got there.  I had to deal with a lot of construction as I had a stop near the old highway which is now being repaved.  The grade down to the Lower South River Bridge east bound was steeper than I expected.  Also the divided highway extends almost to the Dagger Woods Rd which was about a kilometre more than I expected.  There doesn't seem to be any immediate plans to extend the 4 lane any further. 

Now someone can drive from Ontario to Aulds Cove NS without slowing down below 90 km at any point; and it is almost all four lane or super 2 except for about 40 km in Quebec.
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 07:57:29 AM »

The eastern segment of the Antigonish Bypass opened to traffic on October 22: http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1408820-highway-104-four-laning-officially-open-after-20-years

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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 09:07:30 AM »

No pics?

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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 01:13:20 PM »

Trying to pin things down to update these routes for TravelMapping...

NS104:
I'm guessing that the new interchange in Lower South River is numbered Exit 35, to match the old number nearby for NS316 (same road, just got extended a little bit). Yes? No?.

NS4:
In the east:
I'm guessing that the extended NS4 makes a left turn onto the new connector, to end at the new exit (35?) of NS104. Instead of, as shown on OSM, following old 104 (Miners Memorial?) to dead-end at Taylors Rd, where the old alignment was cut off and there's no access to NS104.
In the middle: What trace would you say better represents the actual alignment of the new RoW & overpass structure? Google, or OSM?
In the west:
- Last we left off in 2012, NS4 still followed its old route thru town. This is still the case, right? The latest GeoBase shapefiles show NS4 (only partially) as following the bypassed section of NS104 (University Blvd?) through Antigonish. Without getting into too much detail, I've found these shapefiles, especially in NS, to be unreliable; they can't be taken as gospel. Google may (or may not) have picked this up & run with it; they label NS4 on both parallel routes thru town: the original (current?) NS4, and on University Blvd.
NS4 still follows its original route thru town, right?
- ISTR (ghYHZ? Someone else?) saying once that the old bypassed section of NS104 is known as / has been referred to as University Blvd. (I don't know if it was in the previous thread on Phase I of the bypass, or in a PM, on a different forum or what; I can't find the original message...) Is this correct? Is it University Blvd? If so, has the designation been extended east along a reopened section of old NS104, to tie into NS4 at the former Exit 34 (where the now-closed temporary connector from Phase I tied in)?

NS316 stays as is, right?
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 09:03:01 PM »

Having traveled the area when it first opened I will answer based on what I have seen and heard.

Trying to pin things down to update these routes for TravelMapping...

NS104:
I'm guessing that the new interchange in Lower South River is numbered Exit 35, to match the old number nearby for NS316 (same road, just got extended a little bit). Yes? No?.

Yes, that is correct.

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NS4:
In the east:
I'm guessing that the extended NS4 makes a left turn onto the new connector, to end at the new exit (35?) of NS104. Instead of, as shown on OSM, following old 104 (Miners Memorial?) to dead-end at Taylors Rd, where the old alignment was cut off and there's no access to NS104.


The new section could be part of Trunk 4, it doesn't appear to be clearly marked. The old 104 doesn't connect to the new 104, it just goes over the new highway and becomes Taylor Rd.  There isn't really a dead end, just a turn and an overpass.

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In the middle: What trace would you say better represents the actual alignment of the new RoW & overpass structure? Google, or OSM?


I looked at my GPS tracks of the new alignment, google looks more accurate.

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In the west:
- Last we left off in 2012, NS4 still followed its old route thru town. This is still the case, right? The latest GeoBase shapefiles show NS4 (only partially) as following the bypassed section of NS104 (University Blvd?) through Antigonish. Without getting into too much detail, I've found these shapefiles, especially in NS, to be unreliable; they can't be taken as gospel. Google may (or may not) have picked this up & run with it; they label NS4 on both parallel routes thru town: the original (current?) NS4, and on University Blvd.
NS4 still follows its original route thru town, right?

There were NS4 signs on both roads when I was there in October.  I heard officially that NS4 is going to follow old 104 as far as Exit 35, and the route though Antigonish is likely going to be part of 245 and 337.  If you look at Street View you can see the Truck 4 signs on the section of old 104 bypassed in 2012.

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- ISTR (ghYHZ? Someone else?) saying once that the old bypassed section of NS104 is known as / has been referred to as University Blvd. (I don't know if it was in the previous thread on Phase I of the bypass, or in a PM, on a different forum or what; I can't find the original message...) Is this correct? Is it University Blvd? If so, has the designation been extended east along a reopened section of old NS104, to tie into NS4 at the former Exit 34 (where the now-closed temporary connector from Phase I tied in)?

I haven't heard it referred to officially as University Blvd.  The part from Exit 31 to James St has always been called "Post Rd", Canada Post still lists it as "Highway 104".

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NS316 stays as is, right?

New Access Rd at Exit 35 to 104 might be part of NS316 rather than part of Trunk 4, not sure at this point.
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2016, 08:25:52 PM »

Thanks for the detailed response.

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The new section could be part of Trunk 4, it doesn't appear to be clearly marked.
I'll assume that 4 uses the connector to connect back to the main 100-series highway. That'd make the most sense for new construction, keeping the Trunk 4 corridor "continuous", as it were; yadda yadda. I think they did the same with Trunk 3 with the Port Mouton bypass.

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The old 104 doesn't connect to the new 104, it just goes over the new highway and becomes Taylor Rd.  There isn't really a dead end, just a turn and an overpass.
Poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was that it's the numeric designation ending, and not connecting to another numbered route in the system.

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I looked at my GPS tracks of the new alignment, google looks more accurate.
K, that's what I figured. Thanks.
I wanted to add in a "shaping point" to make the route trace in the Highway Browser more closely match what's on the ground and be a little more clear until Google and, more specifically, OSM get more up-to-date.
The shaping point I have in there was the best I could do with data from a free source (the path of the obliterated Dunns Loop, from the GeoBase shapefiles). Though, I suppose I could place a new one where the OSM trace crosses the Google trace. Yeah, that'd the ticket...

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There were NS4 signs on both roads when I was there in October.
Interesting. A bit of leftover vestigial signage on the old route, perhaps?
And you saw signage on "University Blvd", that bit that was 104 until 2012? How pervasive was it? Pretty clear? Along its full length?

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I heard officially that NS4 is going to follow old 104 as far as Exit 35, and the route though Antigonish is likely going to be part of 245 and 337.
Now THIS, is interesting. I'd speculated (as roadgeeks will do)  when first hearing about the bypass, that this might happen, in order to keep everything numbered, and keep Trunk 4 on the more direct arterial route. It'd mean a short multiplex, which NS doesn't seem to be too fond of, but there are a few examples here and there.
But, heard officially, you say? Tell me more!

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If you look at Street View you can see the Truck 4 signs on the section of old 104 bypassed in 2012.
I didn't see anything; this (TO) was the closest I could find. Got a link? Wouldn't have made sense to sign Trunk 4 thru here (yet) when the Google car was coming thru before the bypass was completed, with the old Exit 34 temporarily blocked off.

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I haven't heard it referred to officially as University Blvd.  The part from Exit 31 to James St has always been called "Post Rd", Canada Post still lists it as "Highway 104".
Aah, I'm just referring to the original bypass, the bit that wasn't part of the original Trunk 4. From the Post/James intersection to the old Exit 34.

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New Access Rd at Exit 35 to 104 might be part of NS316 rather than part of Trunk 4, not sure at this point.
I'm going to guess that 316 stays as is, and the new connector is NS4. Seems more intuitive to have the Collector end at a Trunk, which then connects to the Arterial, rather than have a Trunk end at a Collector, which then connects to the arterial. (Sure, there's the bit of NS4 that ends at NS311 in Bible Hill, but that's different. Happened under different circumstances...)

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On an unrelated topic, have you checked out the NS103 Port Mouton bypass yet? I'm assuming that the new exit there is Exit 21, and want to be 100% sure this is correct too.
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2016, 09:03:02 AM »

Still no pics of the new extension?

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2016, 06:50:44 PM »

Thanks for the detailed response.
You're welcome.

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There were NS4 signs on both roads when I was there in October.
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Interesting. A bit of leftover vestigial signage on the old route, perhaps?
And you saw signage on "University Blvd", that bit that was 104 until 2012? How pervasive was it? Pretty clear? Along its full length?

Yes, along the full length.

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I heard officially that NS4 is going to follow old 104 as far as Exit 35, and the route though Antigonish is likely going to be part of 245 and 337.
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Now THIS, is interesting. I'd speculated (as roadgeeks will do)  when first hearing about the bypass, that this might happen, in order to keep everything numbered, and keep Trunk 4 on the more direct arterial route. It'd mean a short multiplex, which NS doesn't seem to be too fond of, but there are a few examples here and there.
But, heard officially, you say? Tell me more!

I remember a government official talking about this, but I can't find the news article now.

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If you look at Street View you can see the Truck 4 signs on the section of old 104 bypassed in 2012.
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I didn't see anything; this (TO) was the closest I could find. Got a link? Wouldn't have made sense to sign Trunk 4 thru here (yet) when the Google car was coming thru before the bypass was completed, with the old Exit 34 temporarily blocked off.

This is east of Truck 7:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.6143069,-61.9938947,3a,75y,125.24h,85.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snLWy1w4X30t6haK2k5GXAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


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On an unrelated topic, have you checked out the NS103 Port Mouton bypass yet? I'm assuming that the new exit there is Exit 21, and want to be 100% sure this is correct too.

I don't normally travel in that area, as I live in Cape Breton.
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Re: TCH104 Antigonish Bypass - 2016 Update
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2017, 08:31:53 PM »

Found a picture of the new highway looking from east of exit 35.

Highway104 by Bruce K, on Flickr
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 01:12:56 AM »

This is the first picture I've seen of this. Surprising considering how long it's been open. No vids yet.

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2017, 08:51:26 AM »

I got more picture yesterday.  Just past the end of the new section the intersection with Dagger Woods Rd is being improved.  I believe this road is likely the original alignment of the highway based on how it aligns with a nearby abandoned section of highway.  IMG_0125 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0126 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0127 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0128 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0128 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0129 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0130 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0131 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0132 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0133 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0134 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0134 by Bruce K, on Flickr
IMG_0136 by Bruce K, on Flickr


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