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Author Topic: QC - Is the right-of-way belongs to the MTQ? Infolot will tell you!  (Read 1717 times)

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In province of Quebec, there was a time when the MTQ bought lots of land, in order to secure the right-of-way for future highways. So, in case of highways projects that never quit the MTQ drawing boards, it would be interesting to see if the MTQ still owns the right-of-way.  And now, there's possible!

The Quebec's Ministère de l'Énergie et des ressources naturelles (MERN) have an application called Infolot, that will show you each piece of land, and if you're ready to pay (6,70 CAD$ per day, longer - and cheaper - subscriptions are available), you can learn to who belongs the land, and some other informations.  This app works great in all areas where cadastral renovation is done (province is renovating the entire cadastre, in collaboration with the municipalities, on a multiple-year period). So you can see that some non-built sections of the A-40, in Trois-Rivières and in Quebec City, for example, still have their right-of-way owned by the MTQ.

Here's the link for the website.  For now, it seems to be only in french.

https://appli.mern.gouv.qc.ca/infolot/
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This is a great tool, and even without paying can be lots of fun! It's pretty easy to see where the right-of-way lies for many projected or abandoned stretches of autoroute, even without confirming the land actually belongs to the MTQ.

For instance...

Future extensions:
Land set aside for some well-known possible projects is easy to spot, such as the A-40 extension west of A-73 in Quebec City, the A-35 southern extension, the A-40 Trois-Rivières bypass, the A-410 Lennoxville bypass, the A-70 eastern extension.

There also seems to be land set aside for a short extension of the A-20 bypassing Ste-Flavie and meeting the R-132 at Rivière Mitis.

Also interestingly the A-25 extension north from Saint-Esprit to Rawdon is clearly visible, including a large interchange with the abandoned A-50/R-158 just north of Saint-Esprit.

Abandoned projects:
A-30 extension west of A-55 to Nicolet, Gatineau bypass from A-50 to R-148 ("A-550"). R-132 in Saint-Constant has a very wide right-of-way with room for exits, for the planned A-30 extension.

Other notes:
There is no obvious right-of-way acquired for any extension of the following autoroutes: A-73 St-Georges bypass, A-50 east of A-15, A-5 north of La Pêche, A-30 east of Sorel-Tracy, A-20 between Notre-Dame-des-Neiges and Rimouski, A-85 between St-Antonin and St-Louis-du-Ha-Ha (will probably be built in-line).

The A-6 right-of-way from St-Jean-sur-Richelieu to Farnham seems to have been parceled out for the most part and likely resold.

The A-13 right of way north of A-640 is partial and either hasn't ever been fully acquired by the MTQ or has been sold off.

I'm sure there are many more discoveries to be made! Especially if one paid for full data access.
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How do you get the lots to show up?  It may be because I don't understand French, but I only see a map of the municipalities when I click for the free access.
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You will need to zoom in until the lots show up. Be aware that some areas have not been mapped yet, and those show up in white on the map.
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Ah, now I see them.  Very interesting to see that the right of way was already bought for many of these projects.  Guess that's why a proposal can lay dormant for decades and then come back to life.

A-955 also has ROW shown for interchanges, as does A-30 near Becancour.  I imagine A-55 will as well once that section gets mapped.
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A-955 also has ROW shown for interchanges, as does A-30 near Becancour.  I imagine A-55 will as well once that section gets mapped.

Yeah, althought for future southbound lanes, the ROW is occupied by a 450 Kv high-tension Hydro-Quebec power line.
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=46.05984,-72.16008&z=14&t=H

South of St-Albert however, I guess the MTQ had sold almost all the ROW down to Warwick and Richmond.
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Re: QC - Is the right-of-way belongs to the MTQ? Infolot will tell you!
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »

There also seems to be land set aside for a short extension of the A-20 bypassing Ste-Flavie and meeting the R-132 at Rivière Mitis.
This is rather a provision for a R-132 rerouting, parallel to Chemin Perreault. I do not think that's a medium or even long term eventuality : even the new Mitis river bridge construction (page 15) does not feature provision for direct A-20/Grand-Métis connection.

Abandoned projects:
R-132 in Saint-Constant has a very wide right-of-way with room for exits, for the planned A-30 extension.
These will be surrendered to the neighbouring municipalities. Saint-Constant is currently planning a transit-oriented neighbourhood.

There is no obvious right-of-way acquired for any extension of the following autoroutes: A-73 St-Georges bypass, A-50 east of A-15, A-30 east of Sorel-Tracy
Those were conceptualized, but never designed nor planned.

A-5 north of La Pêche, A-20 between Notre-Dame-des-Neiges and Rimouski, A-85 between St-Antonin and St-Louis-du-Ha-Ha
All planned, but not designed. Expropriations will occur upon final design.

South of St-Albert however, I guess the MTQ had sold almost all the ROW down to Warwick and Richmond.
Same here. Planned, yes, but not designed; no land was acquired.

The A-6 right-of-way from St-Jean-sur-Richelieu to Farnham seems to have been parceled out for the most part and likely resold.
Long story short : if the lot limits still show subdivision even after cadastral revision (purpose of InfoLot is to show cadastral revision progression), it's because the property is still divided (i.e. perhaps MTMDETQ is still legally the owner, although the attested (and tolerated) occupation is different ― often for reasons of agricultural efficiency). Otherwise, adjacent parcels of same ownership would have been reunited throughout renovation.

What struck me the most navigating through this area is that R-139 between Cowansville and Granby was designed to be a 4-lane divided highway with some interchanges at strategic intersections (R-104 west in Cowansville, Denison street, Gagné road, Cowie street and R-112 in Granby).

A second, northern bypass of Cowansville seems to have been designed at some point with connection to R-104W/R-139 interchange, routed through "Grand Boulevard nord" (a 300-metre oversized surface street that didn't even cross the railroad until some years ago), via Bordeaux/Albert intersection (artefacts of the ROW remain in the cadastre, the routing is even visible on aerial photo) and through J.-A.-Deragon boulevard until Pierre-Laporte road.

Especially if one paid for full data access.
"Full data access" shows nothing more than parcel dimensions and matching unrenovated lot numbers + owner at date of revision for civil surveying and notarial purposes. No purpose for the common human being, unless you crawl the LRoQ website credit card in hand, and patronize your local Registry office.
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