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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1075 on: April 23, 2019, 09:40:10 AM »

I went on a bigger rant about the "open for business" "slogan" in another thread, but my position basically boils down to:  Every state has businesses. Put something on your welcome signs that talks about what's special about your state/province/region.
If you want to entice tourists/residents, talk about what your region has that will attract them, and furthermore, if you want to attract businesses, talk about what special incentives a business will have!  The slogan is indicative of a leadership that's too money-driven to see what is lovable about the place you live, and too dumb to realize that you can't just tell us that you can open a business here--you have to tell us WHY we SHOULD!
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1076 on: May 18, 2019, 01:27:52 PM »

The 2019 Nevada Legislature has approved and sent to the governor two bills that would authorize two new specialty license plates: A "Vegas Strong" plate to memorialize victims of the 1 October shooting, and another limited-issue plate commemorating the centenary of women's suffrage in the U.S.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2019-legislature/1-october-womens-suffrage-license-plates-pass-nevada-legislature-1666115/

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Assembly Bill 333 creates a special license plate to memorialize victims of the Oct. 1, 2017, Route 91 Harvest festival shooting that killed 58 and injured more than 800. Fees generated from the plates — $25 initially and $20 for renewals — will go to the Vegas Strong Resiliency Center, a resource center for those affected by the shooting.
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The Senate also approved Assembly Bill 499, creating a limited-issue license plate commemorating the centenary of women’s suffrage in the United States. Fees from the plate — $35 initially and $10 to renew — will benefit the Nevada Commission for Women.

The 19th Amendment, granting women the right to vote, was ratified Aug. 18, 1920. The Nevada Legislature is the first in the country to have a female majority.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1077 on: May 18, 2019, 07:47:30 PM »

^^ Article linked above is hidden behind a paywall. ^^
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1078 on: May 19, 2019, 09:54:37 AM »

^^ Article linked above is hidden behind a paywall. ^^

The LVRJ usually allows viewing of a few (3?) free articles per month. I just pulled the article up with no problem, using a browser I don't typically use and not logging in (just exit out of the subscription popup when the article loads).

In any event, I'll edit my original post to include some excerpts.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1079 on: May 20, 2019, 05:02:54 PM »

One of my BIGGEST pet peeves about state government.  Why does it require a special law enacted by the Legislature to create specialty license plates?
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1080 on: May 21, 2019, 09:28:31 AM »

One of my BIGGEST pet peeves about state government.  Why does it require a special law enacted by the Legislature to create specialty license plates?

Agree.  Often it is pure pandering, but, IMHO, more importantly there is an equal protection argument here.  If government authorizes a plate that expresses an opinion, should it not be required to authorize a plate for other opinions?

IMHO, there should just be a standard number of pre-sale pledges required and if you sell that many, you are in.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1081 on: May 21, 2019, 01:33:30 PM »

Open for business? As opposed to what, a centralized fascist government that controls the means of production ("get lost")?

Dumb slogan. Used by various US states as well. I hate them all.

Our former governor Scott Walker used the slogan for my state. I hated it.

The "open for business" slogan implies that the state/province cares more about business than its citizens.

I am not sure if that's a good thing to imply, nor am I sure that a licence plate is the best spot for it.
It belongs on neither welcome signs nor license plates.

Agreed.

I did get a good laugh when I crossed into Wisconsin in March and they had replaced the “Open for Business” plaques with “Tony Evers, Governor” ones. Other than the need to replace them whenever he leaves office, I remembered how Illinois had to hastily scrub Hot Roddy B.’s name off of everything pretty much overnight.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1082 on: May 21, 2019, 02:49:02 PM »

IMHO, more importantly there is an equal protection argument here.  If government authorizes a plate that expresses an opinion, should it not be required to authorize a plate for other opinions?

I'm not sure an opinion expressed on a license plate can be construed as discrimination in favor of the people who hold that opinion.  Interesting thought...
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1083 on: May 21, 2019, 05:14:51 PM »

IMHO, there should just be a standard number of pre-sale pledges required and if you sell that many, you are in.
This is often a requirement before a special interest plate is allowed and manufactured.  This requirement may vary by state though, I'm not sure.

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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1084 on: May 21, 2019, 05:16:40 PM »

IMHO, more importantly there is an equal protection argument here.  If government authorizes a plate that expresses an opinion, should it not be required to authorize a plate for other opinions?

I'm not sure an opinion expressed on a license plate can be construed as discrimination in favor of the people who hold that opinion.  Interesting thought...
NH allows one to cover up the "Live Free or Die" slogan if they so choose to.

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« Reply #1085 on: May 21, 2019, 06:03:59 PM »

NH allows one to cover up the "Live Free or Die" slogan if they so choose to.

More exactly, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a vehicle owner can cover up that slogan, whether NH likes it or not. That principle can be generalized, such as perhaps for people offended by the sappy "Virginia Is For Lovers" slogan on that state's standard plates.

The Supremes have recently addressed other license plate issues, such as upholding Texas' refusal to issue Sons of Confederate Veterans specialty license plates.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1086 on: May 22, 2019, 12:28:02 AM »

One of my BIGGEST pet peeves about state government.  Why does it require a special law enacted by the Legislature to create specialty license plates?
Now that I'm thinking about this, I'm curious on this...

The legislature, maybe about 10 years ago, changed law to have a statutory limit on the number of specialized plates that can be issued at any time—and enacted a minimum active registration threshold for discontinuance. New proposals need a minimum pledge amount also.

The Nevada DMV has a process by which they approve specialty plates for charitable organizations, and these get reviewed by a commission established by the legislature.


Interestingly, I don't think either of these are listed on the DMV's website as next in queue. So are these new plates being created above the existing legislative cap? :Hmm:
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1087 on: May 22, 2019, 05:59:53 AM »

I seem to recall a newspaper story some years ago about some state (I have no idea which) issuing two plates but only requiring the rear plate, which then led to someone from that state getting a ticket in DC for not displaying the front plate.

Sounds like MN Collector's plates (for 20+-year-old vehicles).  They used to even have a rule where you could put a plate with tabs for the year of your vehicle (so long as the plate didn't use a current alphanumeric scheme) on the rear.  And for collector's plates, they only required rear plates (normal plates require both front/back).

So it's entirely possible it could be a MN vehicle, over 20 years old, with older general-issue plates, tabbed for the year of the car's model, with only one plate.  To the untrained, it would look like a MN car with expired tabs showing only one plate from a two-plate state.
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« Reply #1088 on: May 22, 2019, 10:49:23 AM »

I seem to recall a newspaper story some years ago about some state (I have no idea which) issuing two plates but only requiring the rear plate, which then led to someone from that state getting a ticket in DC for not displaying the front plate.

Sounds like MN Collector's plates (for 20+-year-old vehicles).  They used to even have a rule where you could put a plate with tabs for the year of your vehicle (so long as the plate didn't use a current alphanumeric scheme) on the rear.  And for collector's plates, they only required rear plates (normal plates require both front/back).

So it's entirely possible it could be a MN vehicle, over 20 years old, with older general-issue plates, tabbed for the year of the car's model, with only one plate.  To the untrained, it would look like a MN car with expired tabs showing only one plate from a two-plate state.

Wisconsin also has non-expiring 'collector' plates for vehicles 20 or more model years old (also classes of 'hobbyist' and 'antique' plates).  The rules for Wisconsin 'collector' plates - 1] vehicle must be 20 or more model years old and cannot be altered or modified from the manufacturer's original specifications, 2] owner must have one or more other vehicles currently registered in his/her name on a regular annual basis, and 3] vehicle cannot be legally driven on public roads during the month of January.

Non-expiring 'antique' plates are for unmodified vehicles 1945 model year or older.  Vehicle can only be used in special purposes such as shows and parades (that one should be changed, IMHO.  75 or more model years old?  man, 50 model years old and the 1969 Dodge Charger with the 426 Hemi engine would now be eligible  :wow: ).

Non-expiring 'Hobbyist' plates are also available for reconstructed, street modified or replicas of vehicles 20 or more model years old or for homemade vehicles.

My usual mechanic has a classic 1969 Winnebago motor home with collector plates.   :cool:

Wisconsin also allows the display of period-correct plates on older cars that are so registered, as long as the antique or collector plates are also displayed.

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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1089 on: May 22, 2019, 11:43:21 AM »

The Texas case was the one I was referring to, not so much the NH (and DC) use of a political slogan about which reasonable people can disagree on the standard plate.  Texas has plenty of plates for causes and groups that not everybody approves of, but singles out the SCV.  I would concede that the state could say 100% no politics, religion, controversy on plates at all, but how can it legally pick sides?

 In my state, the legislature wastes its time approving individual bills for plates.  Totally up to them.  You can get, for example, "In God We Trust".  Now what if I want something contradictory?  How can government say you can have, on an official plate a religious slogan, but not an anti religious slogan or a slogan from another religion?  They offer plates for the Contractor's Association (which is an anti-union and pro-development group), for the "Friends of Coal" and for the various masonic groups.  All things reasonable people can disagree with.   What if I want a plate for some tree hugging group?

In the past they rejected plates that were to read "Choose Life" (which Virginia and Kentucky have) and "Vote Democrat".  So government can decide to make a plate that reads "Vote Democrat" ?  I don't think so.

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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1090 on: May 22, 2019, 12:28:20 PM »


More exactly, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a vehicle owner can cover up that slogan, whether NH likes it or not. That principle can be generalized, such as perhaps for people offended by the sappy "Virginia Is For Lovers" slogan on that state's standard plates.

The Supremes have recently addressed other license plate issues, such as upholding Texas' refusal to issue Sons of Confederate Veterans specialty license plates.

IIRC,  Supreme Court ruling was that you could cover anything EXCEPT the state name, expiration sticker (if any), and serial number.  So the Virginia folks could only cover "is for Lovers" unless the word Virginia appears somewhere else on the plate.
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« Reply #1091 on: May 22, 2019, 12:41:01 PM »


More exactly, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a vehicle owner can cover up that slogan, whether NH likes it or not. That principle can be generalized, such as perhaps for people offended by the sappy "Virginia Is For Lovers" slogan on that state's standard plates.

The Supremes have recently addressed other license plate issues, such as upholding Texas' refusal to issue Sons of Confederate Veterans specialty license plates.

IIRC,  Supreme Court ruling was that you could cover anything EXCEPT the state name, expiration sticker (if any), and serial number.  So the Virginia folks could only cover "is for Lovers" unless the word Virginia appears somewhere else on the plate.

"Virginia" is in large letters on the top line of the standard plate. "Virginia Is For Lovers" is in smaller type on the bottom line.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1092 on: May 22, 2019, 02:39:17 PM »


More exactly, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a vehicle owner can cover up that slogan, whether NH likes it or not. That principle can be generalized, such as perhaps for people offended by the sappy "Virginia Is For Lovers" slogan on that state's standard plates.

The Supremes have recently addressed other license plate issues, such as upholding Texas' refusal to issue Sons of Confederate Veterans specialty license plates.

IIRC,  Supreme Court ruling was that you could cover anything EXCEPT the state name, expiration sticker (if any), and serial number.  So the Virginia folks could only cover "is for Lovers" unless the word Virginia appears somewhere else on the plate.

"Virginia" is in large letters on the top line of the standard plate. "Virginia Is For Lovers" is in smaller type on the bottom line.

I think the point is this:  If Virginia is the state name, and it has not been ruled that you are allowed to cover up the state name, then covering up 'Virginia is for lovers' in its entirety is not protected by the ruling.
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« Reply #1093 on: May 22, 2019, 04:14:22 PM »

I think the point is this:  If Virginia is the state name, and it has not been ruled that you are allowed to cover up the state name, then covering up 'Virginia is for lovers' in its entirety is not protected by the ruling.

The ruling in question doesn't say that you can't cover up any instance of a state name on a license plate. The motto at issue didn't include the state name, and the Jehovah's Witnesses who won the case never sought to cover up the "New Hampshire" text elsewhere on their plates that distinguishes NH plates from those of other states. Had there been an effort to obscure the only instance of the state name, or identifying info such as the plate number, it would have been a different case and probably a different result.

Your read of the ruling is waaaay too picky, even for a lawyer like me.
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« Reply #1094 on: May 22, 2019, 05:11:24 PM »


I think the point is this:  If Virginia is the state name, and it has not been ruled that you are allowed to cover up the state name, then covering up 'Virginia is for lovers' in its entirety is not protected by the ruling.

The ruling in question doesn't say that you can't cover up any instance of a state name on a license plate. The motto at issue didn't include the state name, and the Jehovah's Witnesses who won the case never sought to cover up the "New Hampshire" text elsewhere on their plates that distinguishes NH plates from those of other states. Had there been an effort to obscure the only instance of the state name, or identifying info such as the plate number, it would have been a different case and probably a different result.

Your read of the ruling is waaaay too picky, even for a lawyer like me.

Oh, I didn't read it at all.  I was just trying to interpret frankenroad's post.
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« Reply #1095 on: May 23, 2019, 09:29:48 AM »

The state in which the issue of obscuring part of the plate became a big issue was Maine, where some people resented the lobster on the plate and painted over it. In so doing, they reduced the plates’ reflective properties. I don’t remember how that turned out.

I kind of agree with SP Cook’s general sentiment about the specialty plates. In Virginia, the process has pretty much been that you get 350 people to sign up for a plate and the General Assembly then rubber-stamps it. I think the Supreme Court decision cited as the basis for revoking the Sons of Confederate Veterans plates seems to have overlooked that aspect of the process. The state isn’t really endorsing the viewpoints the plates might represent. On the other hand, Virginia does offer a new SCV plate that omits the Battle Flag, which makes it a lot less problematic in my mind because they’re not censoring the group so much as they’re objecting to a certain design.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1096 on: May 23, 2019, 12:00:05 PM »

While we are on the subject of speciality plates, this was a discussion we had a while back on a sports board I was on. 

Most states now issue college plates for out-of-state colleges, but some refuse.  Particularly KY and OH, which was the subject of our particular discussion.

Opinions?  Should you be able to get a "Go Auburn" plate if you live in Georgia?
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« Reply #1097 on: May 23, 2019, 12:10:47 PM »

While we are on the subject of speciality plates, this was a discussion we had a while back on a sports board I was on. 

Most states now issue college plates for out-of-state colleges, but some refuse.  Particularly KY and OH, which was the subject of our particular discussion.

Opinions?  Should you be able to get a "Go Auburn" plate if you live in Georgia?

I think it's heresy and absolutely should not be allowed - especially in the case of competing state institutions

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« Reply #1098 on: May 23, 2019, 01:34:18 PM »

While we are on the subject of speciality plates, this was a discussion we had a while back on a sports board I was on. 

Most states now issue college plates for out-of-state colleges, but some refuse.  Particularly KY and OH, which was the subject of our particular discussion.

Opinions?  Should you be able to get a "Go Auburn" plate if you live in Georgia?

I think it's heresy and absolutely should not be allowed - especially in the case of competing state institutions

^ This. I even have mixed feelings about WisDOT offering Marquette license plates.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1099 on: May 23, 2019, 02:03:56 PM »

I have thought seriously hard about designing a Washington state license plate, that is just as dead simple as possible. Something like black numbers, black "WASHINGTON", black border, and that's it. Maybe even just "WA".

I know for a fact that I'd pay for something like this. I prefer really simple license plates. But I'd need to get some signatures first. I know a lot of car guys would be on board, on account of license plate designs often detracting from the design of a car (something European plates don't really do). But a lot of people, including, I'm sure, quite a few of you, like fancy plate designs. I don't really know how I would market this kind of license plate.
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