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Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« on: October 03, 2018, 09:54:55 PM »

This would be on the SW corner of the town square in Denton. It also shows that US 77 through Denton was BUSINESS 77. it has since reverted back to non-business 77. IDK when that happened since this change is not in the Highway Designation Files

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1151530/m1/1/?q=roanoke
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2018, 06:49:46 PM »

Thanks! I liked it.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2018, 10:41:21 PM »

Thanks! I liked it.

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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 05:41:09 AM »

Oh my....

Meanwhile, so, with this routing in the picture being a Business US 77, where would the regular US 77 have been?  Along where I-35 and I-35E are now?
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 12:45:00 PM »

There probably is a designation file for the business route, but it would have been a loop.  I don't know how to find out what number it was.  It was gone by 1990, when business routes were officially established, as the minute order does not list it.

I might venture a guess that US 77 was moved to the bypass when it was built, and then unmoved back into town when the Interstates opened, although it may have been later when they decided not to run them concurrent.  It seems strange that they ran US 77 independent on such a short segment, especially when a longer section in Dallas was made a loop and signed as a business route.  That business route was not made official in 1990 and most of the loop was cancelled in 1991.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 07:27:09 PM »

The route through Denton never had a post-1939 number other than US 77. See also: US 87 Business in Boerne, never inventoried as anything but US 87.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 08:35:14 PM »

This would be on the SW corner of the town square in Denton...
So, was this looking south on Elm, near the intersection with Hickory?
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 08:47:13 PM »

There probably is a designation file for the business route, but it would have been a loop.  I don't know how to find out what number it was.  It was gone by 1990, when business routes were officially established, as the minute order does not list it.

I might venture a guess that US 77 was moved to the bypass when it was built, and then unmoved back into town when the Interstates opened, although it may have been later when they decided not to run them concurrent.  It seems strange that they ran US 77 independent on such a short segment, especially when a longer section in Dallas was made a loop and signed as a business route.  That business route was not made official in 1990 and most of the loop was cancelled in 1991.

There was no bypass of Denton prior to the completion of I-35/ 35E in 1959. All of I-35 in Denton County was completed in 1959. US 77 down to Lake Dallas, was divided by 1953, becoming controlled access in 1961.

I always wondered why 77 was on the original route thru Denton instead of it being a business interstate loop. The only logical answer that I could come up with is that it intersects I-35E at the south end, and I-35 at the north end, which creates a dilemma as far as numbering.


Interestingly, the 1961 General Highway Map does not show it to be a business route, or a loop
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 07:18:42 PM »

I love those old CH Art Deco WAIT/WALK pedestrian signals.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2018, 12:50:18 AM »

Judging by the truck in the reflection of the window and the woman’s clothing style, this picture is probably from the late 1960s.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2018, 09:43:04 AM »

These could very well be the coolest signs I've ever seen!
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2018, 09:56:15 AM »

The mileage signs look almost exactly like the mileage signs that Ohio used up until the 80's when they went to white-on-green.  Only the arrows are different.
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2018, 10:27:31 AM »

This would be on the SW corner of the town square in Denton. It also shows that US 77 through Denton was BUSINESS 77. it has since reverted back to non-business 77. IDK when that happened since this change is not in the Highway Designation Files

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1151530/m1/1/?q=roanoke

So, about here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.2145496,-97.1336966,3a,75y,192.64h,83.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHT3iK6R3Q-yseaA6b-PA2w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: Nice Color Pic of Vintage Texas Highway Sign Assembly
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2018, 11:37:09 AM »

This would be on the SW corner of the town square in Denton. It also shows that US 77 through Denton was BUSINESS 77. it has since reverted back to non-business 77. IDK when that happened since this change is not in the Highway Designation Files

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1151530/m1/1/?q=roanoke

So, about here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.2145496,-97.1336966,3a,75y,192.64h,83.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHT3iK6R3Q-yseaA6b-PA2w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


I would think that would be the closest logical spot, but it would help if there were a wider shot of the building behind the sign.  It might be the corner.  I haven't had that much to do with the central part of Denton in the past, so I couldn't be certain.
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