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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2018, 12:14:02 AM »

That leaves Carter, Clinton, George W. Bush, & Obama.  Interesting note, Carter has outlived not too only his successor, but his successor’s VP as well.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2018, 12:18:21 AM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.

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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2018, 12:34:18 AM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
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Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2018, 02:54:56 AM »

As I was only 7 (going on 8) when Reagan died, this will be my first time seeing and understanding the process following presidential deaths.

To be honest, I'm glad he finally passed. I'm sure without Barb by his side, life was a struggle. Sure, he had his kids, but living without your life partner has to be excruciatingly difficult, especially in later years. I'm sure he's in a much better place now. I know if one of my grandparents were to die, and both were in ailing health, the best thing would be for both of them to go at the same time.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2018, 08:53:59 AM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
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Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …

That's up to his family for the most part.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 09:18:24 AM »

A great statesman, G.H.W. Bush could not avoid simple gaffes that ultimately doomed his chances for a second term.   "No new taxes", "Where's the Beef" where two that come to mind.   Also Ross Perot, a blip on the political radar, siphoned off 19% of the popular vote in the Fall '92 election.   And this was after a bizarre exit from the race, and then re-entry, and accusations of Bush spy operatives.   This paved the way for William Jefferson Clinton to win, with barely over 40% of the vote.   
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2018, 09:22:01 AM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
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Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …

That's up to his family for the most part.

The story Bruce linked to said the funeral will be at St. Martin Church in Houston & burial at his presidential library at Texas A & M next to his wife Barbara.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 09:55:56 AM »

A great statesman, G.H.W. Bush could not avoid simple gaffes that ultimately doomed his chances for a second term.   "No new taxes", "Where's the Beef" where two that come to mind.   Also Ross Perot, a blip on the political radar, siphoned off 19% of the popular vote in the Fall '92 election.   And this was after a bizarre exit from the race, and then re-entry, and accusations of Bush spy operatives.   This paved the way for William Jefferson Clinton to win, with barely over 40% of the vote.   

No New Taxes was what he campaigned on, but I'd forgotten about Where's the Beef
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2018, 10:08:46 AM »

Whatever happened to ol' Dan Quayle? I'll never forget the time Quayle was at an airport and made a joke about a bomb on the plane, or the "potatoe" incident.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2018, 10:11:02 AM »

Quayle was also the man who said "E pluribus unum" meant "From one, many."
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2018, 10:14:28 AM »

Whatever happened to ol' Dan Quayle? I'll never forget the time Quayle was at an airport and made a joke about a bomb on the plane, or the "potatoe" incident.

He owns a private equity firm now,
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2018, 10:47:44 AM »

Whatever happened to ol' Dan Quayle? I'll never forget the time Quayle was at an airport and made a joke about a bomb on the plane, or the "potatoe" incident.

He owns a private equity firm now,
Don't you mean Privat Equitye? :awesomeface:

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.

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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2018, 10:52:12 AM »

I do say RIP. Lets just hope some trolls on here who do not like him do not get this into a flame war.  Talking about political figures leads to ideals which gets nasty.

Whether I like him or not is the issue as I would do the same for Obama or even his son if they had died.  I cannot be judge and was brought up that way to pray for your enemies as well as the good people you know.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2018, 12:55:53 PM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
R.I.P.
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Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …
That's up to his family for the most part.

The size and scope of the public ceremonies is specified by decision of the president and the Congress.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2018, 01:05:44 PM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
R.I.P.
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Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …
That's up to his family for the most part.

The size and scope of the public ceremonies is specified by decision of the president and the Congress.

So, in theory, if a sitting President had a quarrel with a predecessor, he could refuse a state funeral for said predecessor?  Just wondering.  :hmmm:
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2018, 01:13:22 PM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
R.I.P.  :no: Mike
Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …
That's up to his family for the most part.
The size and scope of the public ceremonies is specified by decision of the president and the Congress.
So, in theory, if a sitting President had a quarrel with a predecessor, he could refuse a state funeral for said predecessor?  Just wondering.

Any former president will get a state funeral and memorial services.  How big and how elaborate depends on the respective president and Congress.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2018, 01:27:02 PM »

A great statesman, G.H.W. Bush could not avoid simple gaffes that ultimately doomed his chances for a second term.   "No new taxes", "Where's the Beef" where two that come to mind.   Also Ross Perot, a blip on the political radar, siphoned off 19% of the popular vote in the Fall '92 election.   And this was after a bizarre exit from the race, and then re-entry, and accusations of Bush spy operatives.   This paved the way for William Jefferson Clinton to win, with barely over 40% of the vote.
Or whatever circumstances led to it looking like he’d never seen a supermarket barcode scanner before (Mary Matalin says he had).
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2018, 03:23:10 PM »

Also, as per protocol, all flags in the USA are to be set to half-staff for the next 30 days.
R.I.P.  :no: Mike
Elaborate funeral like Reagan got back when he passed …
That's up to his family for the most part.
The size and scope of the public ceremonies is specified by decision of the president and the Congress.
So, in theory, if a sitting President had a quarrel with a predecessor, he could refuse a state funeral for said predecessor?  Just wondering.

Any former president will get a state funeral and memorial services.  How big and how elaborate depends on the respective president and Congress.

Unless he declines it, of course, as Richard Nixon did. He specifically asked that he not receive a state funeral. Flags were, of course, still lowered to half-mast for the full 30 days. Some places kept them down longer when Jackie Kennedy died just before the end of the 30-day period.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2018, 03:37:09 PM »

Politics aside, how many Presidents win a war and then go on to lose in the next election?  Since Bush Sr. did his single term, every POTUS since then has been a two term office holder.  That is a rather remarkable streak. 

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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 06:00:21 PM »

Politics aside, how many Presidents win a war and then go on to lose in the next election?  Since Bush Sr. did his single term, every POTUS since then has been a two term office holder.  That is a rather remarkable streak. 
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Not really, that is a reflection of the growing power of incumbency, to have had three 2-term presidents in a row up to the current.
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 06:14:37 PM »

Politics aside, how many Presidents win a war and then go on to lose in the next election?  Since Bush Sr. did his single term, every POTUS since then has been a two term office holder.  That is a rather remarkable streak. 
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Not really, that is a reflection of the growing power of incumbency, to have had three 2-term presidents in a row up to the current.

House elections go the way of the incumbents over 90% of the time.  With their terms being only 2 years, campaigning becomes a full time job for them. 

As for recent POTUS elections where the incumbent won, how many times was the opponent truly credible?  Campaigning for President is a 2 year process these days.  Candidates, good or bad, get ground down in a political marathon.  Last one standing gets the nomination.  Would a shorter campaign season as we see in European parliamentary democracies give us a better group of candidates?  Would multiple parties do so? 

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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 06:30:35 PM »

Historically it’s not all that unusual to have more than one two-term presidents in a row. (I somewhat discount when a president died in office and his successor didn’t serve the next term, and I certainly discount where a president said he wouldn’t run again.) Certainly the difference between the 19th and 20th centuries reflects the advantages of incumbency in the modern news era. I find it interesting to see that several lost the renomination contests, and I find the long run of one-termers between Jackson and Lincoln interesting, although again that was in part due to deaths and Polk promising not to run again.

Washington (2)
Adams (1, lost in 1800)
Jefferson/Madison/Monroe (2 each, so 24 years total)
Adams (1, lost in 1828)
Jackson (2)
Van Buren (1, lost in 1840)
Harrison/Tyler (1 combined; Tyler didn’t run in 1844)
Polk (1, didn’t run again after promising not to)
Taylor/Fillmore (1 combined; Fillmore lost nomination in 1852)
Pierce (1, lost nomination in 1856)
Buchanan (1, didn’t run again)
Lincoln/Johnson/Grant (2 combined for first two, 2 for Grant, total 16 years)
Hayes (1, announced during campaign he wouldn’t run again)
Garfield/Arthur (1 combined; Arthur not nominated in 1884)
Cleveland (1, lost in 1888)
Harrison (1, lost in 1892)
Cleveland (1, didn’t run again)
McKinley/Roosevelt (total 3 due to assassination; Roosevelt promised not to run in 1908)
Taft (1, lost in 1912)
Wilson/Harding/Coolidge (Wilson 2, Harding/Coolidge 2 combined)
Hoover (1, lost in 1932)
Roosevelt/Truman/Eisenhower/Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon/Ford (FDR elected to 4 terms; Truman finished the 4th and was re-elected in 1948; Eisenhower 2; Kennedy/Johnson 2 combined and Johnson dropped out of seeking a third term; Nixon/Ford 2 combined, Ford lost in 1976; all this totals 44 years)
Carter (1, lost in 1980)
Reagan (2)
Bush (1, lost in 1992)
Clinton/Bush/Obama (2 each, total 24 years)
Trump (TBD!)

So since 1932, only Carter and Bush were elected presidents who lost re-election (this wording being to distinguish Kennedy being shot and Ford succeeding to the office). That’s an entire lifetime or more of almost all two-termers!
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Re: Former President George H.W. Bush Dies at 94
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2018, 07:00:50 PM »

I thought that Walter Mondale (still alive, IIRC) used the "Where's the beef?" line in a debate with Reagan. Clara Peller rules!
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2018, 07:09:02 PM »

As I was only 7 (going on 8) when Reagan died, this will be my first time seeing and understanding the process following presidential deaths.

To be honest, I'm glad he finally passed. I'm sure without Barb by his side, life was a struggle. Sure, he had his kids, but living without your life partner has to be excruciatingly difficult, especially in later years. I'm sure he's in a much better place now. I know if one of my grandparents were to die, and both were in ailing health, the best thing would be for both of them to go at the same time.

He was quite at peace, according to this article:

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His longtime friend and former secretary of state, James A. Baker III, arrived at his Houston home on Friday morning to check on him.

Mr. Bush suddenly grew alert, his eyes wide open.

“Where are we going, Bake?” he asked.

“We’re going to heaven,” Mr. Baker answered.

“That’s where I want to go,” Mr. Bush said.

Barely 13 hours later, Mr. Bush was dead.
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