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Brick State Highway Segments
« on: February 01, 2019, 12:48:49 AM »

A recent trip to Orlando took me by my old neighborhood where FL 15 traverses downtown on brick roadways.  Off the top of my head I can't think of a ton of examples where a state DOT maintains a road surface that is bricks, what others are there in everyone's area?

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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 07:37:48 AM »

M-99 in downtown Albion, MI:

https://goo.gl/maps/Xwq1sCMxXyz
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 08:26:37 AM »

South State Street in the area of The Green, Dover, DE: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1558285,-75.5235505,3a,75y,342.27h,80.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF7z4IGPmoADRoZJWBwZm7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There's no number on State Street (though I think it was Alt US-113 at one point), but I checked against the DelDOT roadway inventory and it is state maintained.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2019, 12:18:08 PM »

One block of FM 455 in downtown Celina TX is brick paved, but I don’t know if it’s maintained by the state or the city. My guess is city because it matches the brick all around the square.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2019, 10:58:16 PM »

I can think of two locally, but they may be city-paved.

Front St in Natchitoches, LA which carries Business LA 6
https://goo.gl/maps/TnJAi36MsbM2

Bolton Ave in Alexandria, LA carrying LA 1 and Bus. LA 28
https://goo.gl/maps/EgaUb717CzJ2


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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 09:36:17 PM »

Bolton Ave in Alexandria, LA carrying LA 1 and Bus. LA 28
https://goo.gl/maps/EgaUb717CzJ2

That's a really interesting example. I've never seen a street with brick lined main travel lanes, but asphalt paved bike & center turn lanes...
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 10:51:39 PM »

Part of FM 916 has brick pavement.  The intersection with TX 81 a lot of asphalt patches.  It's quite rough.  The city and TxDOT want to change it to standard pavement, probably to that horrible chip seal that starts wearing out in less than a week that TxDOT loves, but they don't want to run afoul of historical preservation laws.  TxDOT's project tracker shows a project to begin within 4 years to restore and preserve the brick pavement.  I'd rather tear the garbage out and put in proper pavement, but restoring and preserving would help.

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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 11:34:59 PM »

Not state maintained, but route OZ1 near Wichita, Kansas exists.  :bigass:
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 12:01:31 AM »

Not state maintained, but route OZ1 near Wichita, Kansas exists.

But Kansas' official "Yellow Brick Road" (parts of US 54), at least when I last drove it, has conventional asphalt pavement.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 12:21:36 AM »

Not state maintained, but route OZ1 near Wichita, Kansas exists.

But Kansas' official "Yellow Brick Road" (parts of US 54), at least when I last drove it, has conventional asphalt pavement.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2019, 03:01:42 PM »

Craven County NC has old brick routes still state maintained but long ago they were the through primary routes.  Here is one along old US 17...


March 2009

US 60 EB on Cary St in Richmond between 12th and 14th Sts is still brick.


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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 03:14:05 PM »


US 60 EB on Cary St in Richmond between 12th and 14th Sts is still brick.


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This one looks more like cobblestone.

Closest Portland has is OR 43/ORH 3 along SW Macadam Ave, which fits only by name, and even the material matched the street name, wouldn't meet the thread criteria.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 06:41:05 PM »

US 60 EB on Cary St in Richmond between 12th and 14th Sts is still brick.
This one looks more like cobblestone.

Yeah, I have been there many times, and I would call it cobblestone.

https://richmondvamls.net/shockoe-bottom-and-slip
Cary and 12th is where the pavement ends and the cobblestones begin, marking the entrance to Shockoe Slip.
https://49srzg36lapi3ua0el46knhy-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/shockoe-slip.jpg
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 12:13:54 AM »

SH 16 in Strawn, Texas:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5520066,-98.4980269,180m/data=!3m1!1e3

I should have remembered that one.  I've gone there to watch the two-time division two six-man football state champions play on their home field.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 01:19:14 PM »

Didn't the Squirrel Hill Tunnel (I-376/US 22/US 30) in Pittsburgh used to have a travel surface composed of paving bricks? Does anyone know exactly when it was paved over?
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2019, 05:25:09 PM »

Didn't the Squirrel Hill Tunnel (I-376/US 22/US 30) in Pittsburgh used to have a travel surface composed of paving bricks? Does anyone know exactly when it was paved over?

I did not know that before... cool!  The tunnel had paving bricks when it opened in 1953, and the bricks were replaced during a 1980 rehabilitation.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 05:49:24 PM »

OK-5 through Waurika is a brick road all the way through town. I ran across it on one of my road trips back in 2016.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 06:06:34 PM »

A recent trip to Orlando took me by my old neighborhood where FL 15 traverses downtown on brick roadways.  Off the top of my head I can't think of a ton of examples where a state DOT maintains a road surface that is bricks, what others are there in everyone's area?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5395534,-81.3633374,3a,75y,61.8h,66.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sayDKeeBHfqC4W3N7xX9FEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

That's a very interesting set of streets around that lake. I really like it...very cozy, in a way. I bet the speeds are decently low, given how loud and uncomfortable brick can be.

I'm particularly confused by the tiny strip of East Jackson St, near the south end of the lake between the two one-way segments: http://bit.ly/2GywazM

There is a white center divider, with a yellow line along both edges of the street (at its eastern edge), and signs face both directions, indicating two-way travel, though there is a do-not-enter sign. Street View images show cars going both directions. I see there is a driveway in the middle, but that wouldn't explain the weird markings.
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2019, 09:26:41 PM »

A recent trip to Orlando took me by my old neighborhood where FL 15 traverses downtown on brick roadways.  Off the top of my head I can't think of a ton of examples where a state DOT maintains a road surface that is bricks, what others are there in everyone's area?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5395534,-81.3633374,3a,75y,61.8h,66.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sayDKeeBHfqC4W3N7xX9FEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

That's a very interesting set of streets around that lake. I really like it...very cozy, in a way. I bet the speeds are decently low, given how loud and uncomfortable brick can be.

I'm particularly confused by the tiny strip of East Jackson St, near the south end of the lake between the two one-way segments: http://bit.ly/2GywazM

There is a white center divider, with a yellow line along both edges of the street (at its eastern edge), and signs face both directions, indicating two-way travel, though there is a do-not-enter sign. Street View images show cars going both directions. I see there is a driveway in the middle, but that wouldn't explain the weird markings.

I used to run FL 15 around Lake Lawsona usually once a week.  The speed limits I believe were 25 MPH through the brick segments.  The weird Jackson Street section is more or less for that one home by itself which is extremely strange but probably had something to do with the property line on southbound FL 15 on Thornton.  The northbound lanes of FL 15 have a do not enter sign but the turn itself would almost be impossible without backing up into traffic. 

What makes FL 15 even stranger is that it is split on one-way configurations via Anderson and South which essentially are frontage roads of FL 408.  Lake Underhill Road essentially is just a normal neighborhood street and even Hoffner Avenue is odd given how narrow it is with no pedestrian features.

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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2019, 09:46:13 PM »

I used to run FL 15 around Lake Lawsona usually once a week.  The speed limits I believe were 25 MPH through the brick segments.  The weird Jackson Street section is more or less for that one home by itself which is extremely strange but probably had something to do with the property line on southbound FL 15 on Thornton.  The northbound lanes of FL 15 have a do not enter sign but the turn itself would almost be impossible without backing up into traffic. 

What makes FL 15 even stranger is that it is split on one-way configurations via Anderson and South which essentially are frontage roads of FL 408.  Lake Underhill Road essentially is just a normal neighborhood street and even Hoffner Avenue is odd given how narrow it is with no pedestrian features.

That awkward left turn seems like it would be legal, as you'd be following a solid yellow line, but the angle of the movement (never mind the sign) seem more prohibitive than the markings would suggest; the right edge of that tiny one-lane segment really should have a white right edge. Then there's that wider painted median, nearer the southbound lanes, which is white for some reason (with the shoulder markings being yellow -- wtf?). FL has great road markings, but apparently they can't keep track of which lanes go which way? :-D

It does surprise me how many segments of FL 15 have no sidewalk. All of the stretches around Lake Lawsona have sidewalks, although significant stretches of the northbound roadway have it only on one side (odd compared to what I'm seeing out here, where virtually all roads in urban areas have sidewalks on both sides).
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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2019, 09:59:57 PM »

I used to run FL 15 around Lake Lawsona usually once a week.  The speed limits I believe were 25 MPH through the brick segments.  The weird Jackson Street section is more or less for that one home by itself which is extremely strange but probably had something to do with the property line on southbound FL 15 on Thornton.  The northbound lanes of FL 15 have a do not enter sign but the turn itself would almost be impossible without backing up into traffic. 

What makes FL 15 even stranger is that it is split on one-way configurations via Anderson and South which essentially are frontage roads of FL 408.  Lake Underhill Road essentially is just a normal neighborhood street and even Hoffner Avenue is odd given how narrow it is with no pedestrian features.

That awkward left turn seems like it would be legal, as you'd be following a solid yellow line, but the angle of the movement (never mind the sign) seem more prohibitive than the markings would suggest; the right edge of that tiny one-lane segment really should have a white right edge. Then there's that wider painted median, nearer the southbound lanes, which is white for some reason (with the shoulder markings being yellow -- wtf?). FL has great road markings, but apparently they can't keep track of which lanes go which way? :-D

It does surprise me how many segments of FL 15 have no sidewalk. All of the stretches around Lake Lawsona have sidewalks, although significant stretches of the northbound roadway have it only on one side (odd compared to what I'm seeing out here, where virtually all roads in urban areas have sidewalks on both sides).

The odd thing about Orlando is that there are various county islands which essentially means pedestrian features are city and miss.  Much of FL 15 on Conway and Hoffner exists in unincorporated Orange County hence why it is so substandard.  Oddly Orlando has annexed much of the land south of FL 528 almost to Fells Cove and the CR 15 portion on Narcoossee Road is pretty high quality by comparison.

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Re: Brick State Highway Segments
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2019, 10:29:38 PM »

The odd thing about Orlando is that there are various county islands which essentially means pedestrian features are city and miss.  Much of FL 15 on Conway and Hoffner exists in unincorporated Orange County hence why it is so substandard.  Oddly Orlando has annexed much of the land south of FL 528 almost to Fells Cove and the CR 15 portion on Narcoossee Road is pretty high quality by comparison.

I see. Seattle has this issue, where they've annexed county properties over the decades, but King County never built sidewalks. Now the city has to go back and add them, which it's doing...slowly.

Hoffner Avenue is odd given how narrow it is with no pedestrian features.
For a few months it's been four lanes with sidewalks: http://www.cflroads.com/project/239266-3/SR_15_Hoffner_Avenue_from_North_of_Lee_Vista_Boulevard_to_West_of_SR_436_Semoran_Boulevard http://www.cflroads.com/project/239266-4/SR_15_Hoffner_Avenue_from_West_of_SR_436_Semoran_Boulevard_to_Conway_Road

I had ignored that part of Max's comment because I thought he might be mistaken (street view clearly shows plenty of sidewalks), but I didn't realize it had just been upgraded. I see now on historic imagery that it once looked quite a bit more like one of those roads you saw Crockett and Tubbs flying down in the 80s!
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