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Author Topic: The other ‘Point Roberts’  (Read 247 times)

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The other ‘Point Roberts’
« on: February 19, 2019, 06:21:57 AM »

Come all the way to the east coast and the shoe is on the other foot! Canadians on Campobello Island, New Brunswick must drive 50 miles through the US to get to the mainland. There is a bridge to Lubec, Maine…..but no longer a ferry connection to New Brunswick.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/campobello-residents-feeling-the-strain-of-long-detour-to-mainland-canada-1.4302021

Map here:
https://goo.gl/maps/mPZRb53Anwt

Although Campobello is in Canada….it was once the home of US President Franklin D Roosevelt and his ‘cottage’ is now an International Park.

https://www.fdr.net/
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Re: The other ‘Point Roberts’
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 08:17:21 AM »

There's a few other communities with similar constraints. Hyder, Alaska comes to mind. Entry and exit is similar to Minnesota's Northwest Angle in that there's nothing stopping you from just going across, there is also a videophone as well. Unlike Campobello Island, this community has always been like that, it's never enjoyed convenient (or inconvenient?) access to the rest of its country.
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Re: The other ‘Point Roberts’
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 01:48:40 PM »

Estcourt Station, ME.  I can't even tell which houses are considered to be "US" and which ones are considered "Canada".  I honestly don't get why they don't just let the area be treated like Hyder, with no need to report unless you're going deeper into the US.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-incredible-complications-of-living-atop-the-us-canada-border
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.4543502,-69.2282564,1384m/data=!3m1!1e3

Meanwhile in Vermont, there's a street that sits right on the border.

https://vtdigger.org/2018/08/27/lives-border-residents-disrupted-tighter-restrictions/
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0052801,-72.1388528,405m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Re: The other ‘Point Roberts’
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2019, 03:28:56 PM »

Estcourt Station, ME.  I can't even tell which houses are considered to be "US" and which ones are considered "Canada".  I honestly don't get why they don't just let the area be treated like Hyder, with no need to report unless you're going deeper into the US.

Several of the properties straddle the line.  Property owners are allowed to cross the border within their own property without checking with customs.  However, the couple of houses that are wholly within the US can only be legally accessed/departed from when the border post is open (business hours, Monday-Friday).

Unsurprisingly, I understand that the all-US properties are no longer occupied on a full time basis.

Apparently this is supposed to protect us from terrorists.

Meanwhile in Vermont, there's a street that sits right on the border.

https://vtdigger.org/2018/08/27/lives-border-residents-disrupted-tighter-restrictions/
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0052801,-72.1388528,405m/data=!3m1!1e3

This house was on the market a couple of years ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0058875,-72.1419424,3a,34.5y,251.24h,87.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0kQRNCe9hYChT9GTRAYAFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Note the small obelisk just in front of the porch.

I wished I had the extra money and skills for home renovation.  I was really, really tempted....

Then, a little over a year ago, I went to the US border station in Derby Line for my NEXUS interview.   The windchill was -40, and I decided I was thankful that I didn't have that extra money or those skills.  :)
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Re: The other ‘Point Roberts’
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 06:30:38 PM »

And along that street, there's the Haskell Free Library, which the border passes directly through



And also along the ME/NB border, you have Aroostock Valley Club, where the course and most of the clubhouse is in Canada, but the pro shop and parking lot are in the US.

https://goo.gl/maps/iMgx4j7bdMF2

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Re: The other ‘Point Roberts’
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 10:00:52 AM »

While this is diverging from the original topic, there are also some airstrips on the border.

Consider Piney Pinecreek, for example:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/48%C2%B059'56.0%22N+95%C2%B058'56.0%22W/@48.998889,-95.982222,5635m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d48.998889!4d-95.982222?hl=en

If memory serves, this strip and a few others got its start in the opening days of WW2, as a hack to facilitate getting aircraft into British hands without technically violating US neutrality.  US crews would fly aircraft to the border (flying into what was technically a US airfield), and British/Canadian crews would take possession (flying out of what was also technically a Canadian airfield).
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