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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2019, 04:18:38 PM »

Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM »

1947 Hickman County map shows it still KY 98 - https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12171272

1950 Hickman also still showing as KY 98 - http://www.uky.edu/maps/ghm1950/

1951 TN official shows it as KY 98...

The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map

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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2019, 07:05:02 PM »

Updated the list again.

Also MSR 789 is shown on maps to have also been in Montana.

Do we know if it was ever signed in Montana? I tentatively put a question mark beside it because I seem to recall reading that it wasn't ever signed.

Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)

The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map

So the question then is, did that section of KY-58 ever carry 80, too? Or has there always been a gap there, and for some reason Missouri chose the 80 number even though it didn't connect?
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2019, 07:05:21 PM »

Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
You can make an argument that it still does exist if you count the Waverly dip as the PA portion.
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2019, 10:14:02 PM »

Updated the list again.

Also MSR 789 is shown on maps to have also been in Montana.

Do we know if it was ever signed in Montana? I tentatively put a question mark beside it because I seem to recall reading that it wasn't ever signed.



I have found proof MT 789 was signed...if you click on the full screen button you can zoom in and clearly see it was signed, although differently from MT 200 which is also present with the US 87 posting...

https://mtmemory.org/digital/collection/p103401cmhp/id/3504/rec/166
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2019, 10:47:48 PM »

Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
You can make an argument that it still does exist if you count the Waverly dip as the PA portion.
Except the Waverly portion is still NY 17.  It's maintained by NYSDOT and there are no keystones to be found.
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2019, 10:56:59 PM »

I have found proof MT 789 was signed...if you click on the full screen button you can zoom in and clearly see it was signed, although differently from MT 200 which is also present with the US 87 posting...

https://mtmemory.org/digital/collection/p103401cmhp/id/3504/rec/166

Well that settles that! Very cool.

Since MT-200 is also present there, it makes me wonder if there's any other places where two MSRs intersect/have intersected in the past.
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 11:41:42 PM »

MSR 16 and MSR 49 intersect in Charlotte NC

Don't know how far back you want to go for former MSRs but there was a SC/NC/VA 26 in the 20s-early 30s (this was usurped by US 521 and US 21)
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2019, 12:05:38 AM »

Don't know how far back you want to go for former MSRs but there was a SC/NC/VA 26 in the 20s-early 30s (this was usurped by US 521 and US 21)

Oh shoot, I saw that mentioned the first time but forgot to add it. Fixed.
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2019, 07:31:24 AM »

Since MT-200 is also present there, it makes me wonder if there's any other places where two MSRs intersect/have intersected in the past.

Plenty in New England. For example, 9, 10, and 12 are all concurrent in Keene, NH.
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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2019, 10:08:47 AM »

Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)

The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map

So the question then is, did that section of KY-58 ever carry 80, too? Or has there always been a gap there, and for some reason Missouri chose the 80 number even though it didn't connect?

There is a KYDOT report from 1985 that states that the road connecting to the Columbus Ferry provides access to KY 58/80, but that the connecting road to the ferry was KY 58.

Contradicting that, though much less formal, is a map of "Old Columbus" that shows the road as KY 80.  Given that this was in a history magazine, I am not inclined to trust this.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2019, 04:51:36 PM »

Here is proof that Arizona signed MSR 789 there too.  Here is where it ends at the Mexican Border, along with US 89...

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nogales-arizona-k-c-rader-of-nogales-former-arizona-highway-news-photo/162375143

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Re: Multi-State Routes (MSRs)
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2019, 04:53:42 AM »

Here is proof that Arizona signed MSR 789 there too.  Here is where it ends at the Mexican Border, along with US 89...

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nogales-arizona-k-c-rader-of-nogales-former-arizona-highway-news-photo/162375143


Wow, not only is that a cutout statename US 89 reminscent of a colored Florida US shield (hard to tell, as it's black and white), but that's also a cutout AZ SR shield, and it's a beautiful one at that for a state-outline shield! That photo is how it should be done!

Let's see, if Oregon... California style US highway shields at minimum, if the statename is asking too much, then the cutout eagle reverse spade shields for the Routes, and for the love of roadgeeks, a cutout state outline in the style demonstrated in this photo for the Highways underlying the Routes!
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