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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2019, 04:19:30 PM »

Personally, my choice would be a sign assembly with the new state's route shield -- regardless of whether the number continues or not -- appended to the "entering (state X)" sign, with a forward (up-arrow) indicator below the sign.  Gets the entire job done with one sign assembly!     
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2019, 08:54:45 PM »

I don't think there are any examples in TX, not that they are flush with posted END signs to begin with. (/pun)
For example, I looked where TX 207 ends at the OK panhandle border.  You get a South TX 207 assembly and a county line sign, followed by the old Texas stone state-shape monument sign, then the "Welcome to Texas" BGS.  Nothing else.  Nothing on the OK side, since the part of the road there is a county road.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2019, 10:43:09 PM »

M-99/OH-15 is the next one over and there is no end sign for either highway there either. Michigan simply has an M-99 sign and Ohio has a OH-15 sign again about a half mile from the state line.

I think this is my preference.  Just sign the new highway's number, no need to say the old one is ending.  The exception is if the road continues not as a state highway.  Then I think it's entirely appropriate to sign the state highway's endpoint.
We use to have a three state continuation with Indiana and Ohio. IN-120, M-120 and OH-120, both Indiana and Ohio still have theirs in the same place but Michigan went and put M-120 on another highway in a different part of the state. In between Indiana and Ohio it's a county road in Michigan.

This obviously isn't anywhere near a state line but in my city (Saginaw) M-84 ends at M-58 and M-58 is a one way street and in both directions before the junction they have a BEGIN sign above the M-84 sign and an arrow pointing to the north. I don't think I ever noticed that anywhere else.

I guess I can see why they would have an END sign at the state line though if that's where that route ends at. I would put it on the next state to sign it properly past that point.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2019, 03:48:11 PM »

This is the sign I'm talking about which I think is a rare occurrence in Michigan.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2019, 04:17:38 PM »

The Maine Turnpike has a set of END and BEGIN signs at the north end of the Piscataqua River Bridge along I-95 in Kittery. You'll also find a similar set of assemblies at the north end of the Turnpike in Augusta.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2019, 11:10:25 PM »

GA 35 ends at the Florida line on its concurrency with US 319 between Thomasville and Tallahassee, and there at least used to be an END 35 sign at the border.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2019, 05:15:42 PM »

This one of those "I swear I've seen it dozens of times, but can't find many examples moments"  (IS2IDOT BCFME) so here's the only one I can find right now...

...Iowa 163 on US 34 entering Illinois:

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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2019, 08:19:54 PM »

Well I didn't find an End/Begin sign, but instead one that simply says the highway's cardinal direction at the state line, so it kinda counts? The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.771103,-83.1113741,3a,25.9y,0.58h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSSYP8I6RF7YfmRHB9inKdg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2019, 09:59:47 PM »

GA has one for GA 520 at the AL State Line along US 280 and two for both GA 3 and 300 on US 19 at the FL State Line.  I had photos submitted to Geoff Hatchard when he had his site for GA ends when him and JT Legg had one also.  He featured all of mine that I gave him and some Trent took as well.

Have to check my boxes as I just moved and still have not gone through my pics of old before digital.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2019, 01:40:28 PM »

The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).

Well, it would be tough to find older GSV still in use, considering it was launched 12 years ago.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2019, 11:55:16 PM »

At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131
*NB IL 137
*NB IL 47
*NB IL 76
*IL 2
*IL 26
*IL 84

Missouri Border
IL 150

Kentucky Border
IL 13

Indiana Border
IL 141
IL 15
IL 9
You can add IL 1 for the Kentucky Border list, right before one boards the Cave-in-Rock Ferry across the Ohio

IL 146 does NOT have one at the Mississippi River crossing to Cape Girardeau, MO
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2019, 12:22:23 PM »

At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131
*NB IL 137
*NB IL 47
*NB IL 76
*IL 2
*IL 26
*IL 84

Missouri Border
IL 150

Kentucky Border
IL 13

Indiana Border
IL 141
IL 15
IL 9

Iowa Border
IL 9
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2019, 07:50:27 PM »

The streetview is also 12 years old (the oldest year I've seen still in use).

Well, it would be tough to find older GSV still in use, considering it was launched 12 years ago.
Usually the oldest I've seen that's the only one available is from 2009, so I thought it was cool.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2019, 01:02:20 PM »

The only instance I've ever seen is that there is an "END 2" assembly where MO-2 becomes K-68 east of Louisburg. I didn't remember a corresponding sign for K-68 at the time I drove past there but Google maps show there is a "68 END" assembly on the Kansas side.

I've also been at the north end of K-7 as it becomes a Nebraska county road but don't remember seeing an "END 7" assembly.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2019, 03:17:49 PM »

The closest I can think of in NJ (other than the county one I posted earlier) is this thank you sign on the Garden State Parkway approaching the NY State Line:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0649871,-74.0580433,3a,37.5y,352.59h,89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smEoar9B_Fbe8GywLvL4H0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
There is a matching one at the other end of the Parkway (as well as an actual END sign), but it's not at a state line.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2019, 03:30:25 PM »

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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2019, 09:05:24 PM »

New York is...inconsistent. NYSDOT Region 9 generally places them, as seen here on NY 7 at the PA line. But at the other end of NY 7 at the VT line, no sign is present. Outside of R9, placement is very inconsistent
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2019, 10:17:25 PM »

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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2019, 03:06:43 PM »

At least for Illinois it seems fairly common to have an end sign at the state line:

Wisconsin Border
*NB IL 131
*NB IL 137
*NB IL 47
*NB IL 76
*IL 2
*IL 26
*IL 84

Missouri Border
IL 150

Kentucky Border
IL 13

Indiana Border
IL 141
IL 15
IL 9

I live within 5 miles of IL 131/WI 31 and IL 173/WI 32.  At least in Kenosha County, it looks like there are no "end" signs on any state highways on the Wisconsin side (31, 32, or 83).  And when you are on WI 32 going south into Illinois, not only is there no end WI 32 sign on the Wisconsin side but I don't think there is a sign that tells you that you are on IL 137 until you get to the intersection with IL 173 which is almost 2.5 miles away.

Also, Highway 83 keeps the same number in Illinois and Wisconsin and there is an "end IL 83" sign but you probably have to drive for at least a mile to see a WI 83 sign.  And there is no "end WI 83" sign but there is an IL 83 sign right at the state line below the Illinois State Line/Lake County sign.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2019, 09:26:33 PM »

Maryland SHA is already very inconsistent with END signs on state highways, and is even more inconsistent when those highways end at state lines. I haven’t seen any yet and I’m not sure where any might exist.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2019, 03:13:50 PM »

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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2019, 12:53:50 PM »

Bumping for some additions:



You can see the first M-239 confirmation assembly in the background.  This was before Michigan adopted the godawful "Pure Michigan" cultlike campaign.


Becomes a very poor-quality (when this photo was taken) county road in Michigan:

 
How about end signs at country lines?




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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2019, 01:21:28 PM »

This is the only END sign I know of in the entire state of CT

https://goo.gl/maps/NwB8imcMfSL81J836

As for the bordered signs, there are only a handful of routes that end at the border and don't continue into the next state:

CT 41 (becomes a Dutchess CR at its southern end, but does retain its number into MA)
CT 124 (created when NY renumbered the road across the border, but decommissioned it 5 years later)
CT 272 (becomes a town road in MA)
CT 341 (becomes a Dutchess CR)
CT 361 (used to become NY 361 until NYSDOT returned it to Dutchess County)

NY 433, MA 7A, and MA 31 are the only state routes that end at the CT border, and I don't see any end signs.
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Re: End signs at state lines
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2019, 08:37:56 PM »

Indiana/Ohio border has no end signs that I’ve seen, at least where the route continues across the line. There’s usually just a reassurance shield right past the line going either way.
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