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Dedicated freeway truck routes
« on: April 18, 2019, 04:32:27 AM »

HI everyone.

I'm trying to find other dedicated truck routes similar to the truck bypass/route lanes north of Los Angeles at the I-5/CA-14 (Newhall Pass)interchange - dedicated roadway (not just a shoulder lane) designed to give trucks their own right of way around a tricky interchange or particularly hilly area.  California has a few other truck bypass lanes but not as long as the ones at Newhall Pass.

Are there any in other states?

Many thanks,

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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2019, 06:45:53 AM »

Two in Portland: I-5 north at OR 99W (exit 294)
US 26 west at Sylvan/Canyon Rd (OR 8) (exit 71)

Don't forget the I-5 south and CA 99 south truck ramps at the interchange north of Wheeler Ridge.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2019, 08:41:35 AM »

The junction for I-5/CA 99 in Wheeler Ridge has one as does I-580 at I-205. 

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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2019, 09:21:27 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2019, 09:42:47 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2019, 11:08:50 AM »

Doesn't the northern I-15/I-215 junction in San Bernardino also have truck-only ramps?
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2019, 12:46:13 PM »

Doesn't the northern I-15/I-215 junction in San Bernardino also have truck-only ramps?


They're labeled as TRUCK BYPASS with no signage compelling trucks to use it and nothing preventing cars from using the truck bypass
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2019, 10:43:55 PM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

219, not 209.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2019, 11:30:55 PM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.

I drove it too, in my pickup truck. It was a heavy full-size truck, which I thought might possibly exceed the weight limit for the non-truck route; probably not, but I gave myself the benefit of the doubt. In any case, nobody cared.

Doesn't the northern I-15/I-215 junction in San Bernardino also have truck-only ramps?


They're labeled as TRUCK BYPASS with no signage compelling trucks to use it and nothing preventing cars from using the truck bypass

Ditto the I-5 truck route in Newhall CA, mentioned by the OP. Of course, that is on a separate alignment from the main lanes, rather than sharing the centerline, and is treated by Caltrans as a separate route (unsigned route 5S) unlike the designated truck roadways at the I-15/I-215 junction or the I-5/I-405 southern junction. The Newhall truck route also has an exit (with Sierra Hwy/historic US 6) not on the main lanes, which is a unneeded excuse for car drivers to use the truck route.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2019, 10:51:21 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2019, 10:56:31 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
There is a sign at the split "NO CARS".
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2019, 11:17:27 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
There is a sign at the split "NO CARS".

When I last was there, there was a lower gross vehicle weight limit (IIRC, 7000 lbs.) on the truck route. 
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2019, 10:09:55 PM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
There is a sign at the split "NO CARS".
Ok after looking at the whole intersection I saw that. What gets me though is that it says NO TRUCKS but has a runaway ramp for trucks and a speed limit sign for trucks on that stretch that says NO TRUCKS.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2019, 10:19:54 PM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8
A similar example is US-258 Truck around Franklin, VA. Part of it is freeway (concurrent with the US-58 Bypass), while the rest is limited-access two lane road.

It technically doesn't restrict car traffic, though it's meant for truck traffic.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6655007,-76.8851966,3a,37.5y,317.51h,87.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szSnArsche4dauUlkoOFLQg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's also one of the few two-lane roads in Virginia that actually has paved shoulders.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2019, 08:55:33 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
There is a sign at the split "NO CARS".
Ok after looking at the whole intersection I saw that. What gets me though is that it says NO TRUCKS but has a runaway ramp for trucks and a speed limit sign for trucks on that stretch that says NO TRUCKS.

Perhaps trucks below the 7,000-pound GVW limit are less likely to run into trouble but still sometimes do? Or perhaps the dedicated truck road was built later because of repeated problems and they didn't remove the provisions they'd already made?
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2019, 08:59:45 AM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

I like how a GSV car has indeed gone down the "trucks only" route.
Where does it say trucks only though?
There is a sign at the split "NO CARS".
Ok after looking at the whole intersection I saw that. What gets me though is that it says NO TRUCKS but has a runaway ramp for trucks and a speed limit sign for trucks on that stretch that says NO TRUCKS.

Perhaps trucks below the 7,000-pound GVW limit are less likely to run into trouble but still sometimes do?
I guess looking at the steep grade doesn't do much justice when you're looking at GSV. I looked at the truck route it's just a one lane northbound road so I'm assuming the climb is uphill going southbound.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2019, 09:02:04 AM »

A question I have about the US-219 truck route around Ridgway, PA is that why didn't it reconnect with US-219 mainline on the north end? You have to sort of back track into Ridgway to get back on US-219 mainline when it's just an open field in between.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4371561,-78.720152,1068m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2019, 09:14:23 AM »

A question I have about the US-219 truck route around Ridgway, PA is that why didn't it reconnect with US-219 mainline on the north end? You have to sort of back track into Ridgway to get back on US-219 mainline when it's just an open field in between.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4371561,-78.720152,1068m/data=!3m1!1e3

Click the map over to the terrain view. It looks like they'd have to go uphill again and then back down a very steep downhill to the main road. It looks like the elevation along that curve of the river is around 1400 feet, whereas the stub end of Truck 219 is closer to 1600 feet and it appears it'd have to climb 100 feet uphill before heading down tot he main road. The Street View at the end of Truck 219 confirms the runaway truck ramp there is quite a steep slope.

Edited to add: Let's see whether this link works. It's zoomed out to show the whole area and you can see the issue I'm noting pretty clearly. (Interesting that Google labels the truck road as a "bypass.")

Edited later to note that link worked fine on my PC but doesn't bring up terrain view in the Google Maps app on my iPad. If all you see is the regular map, go to the menu (on a PC) or the round button (in the app) and switch to terrain view and zoom out enough to see the elevation lines.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2019, 11:12:18 AM »

A question I have about the US-219 truck route around Ridgway, PA is that why didn't it reconnect with US-219 mainline on the north end? You have to sort of back track into Ridgway to get back on US-219 mainline when it's just an open field in between.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4371561,-78.720152,1068m/data=!3m1!1e3

Click the map over to the terrain view. It looks like they'd have to go uphill again and then back down a very steep downhill to the main road. It looks like the elevation along that curve of the river is around 1400 feet, whereas the stub end of Truck 219 is closer to 1600 feet and it appears it'd have to climb 100 feet uphill before heading down tot he main road. The Street View at the end of Truck 219 confirms the runaway truck ramp there is quite a steep slope.

Edited to add: Let's see whether this link works. It's zoomed out to show the whole area and you can see the issue I'm noting pretty clearly. (Interesting that Google labels the truck road as a "bypass.")

Edited later to note that link worked fine on my PC but doesn't bring up terrain view in the Google Maps app on my iPad. If all you see is the regular map, go to the menu (on a PC) or the round button (in the app) and switch to terrain view and zoom out enough to see the elevation lines.
Yeah that does look like a pretty steep climb now that I look at it that way. The GSV from 2008 is a bit blurry to see everything like any GSV image from 2008.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2019, 04:22:20 PM »

A question I have about the US-219 truck route around Ridgway, PA is that why didn't it reconnect with US-219 mainline on the north end? You have to sort of back track into Ridgway to get back on US-219 mainline when it's just an open field in between.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4371561,-78.720152,1068m/data=!3m1!1e3

Click the map over to the terrain view. It looks like they'd have to go uphill again and then back down a very steep downhill to the main road. It looks like the elevation along that curve of the river is around 1400 feet, whereas the stub end of Truck 219 is closer to 1600 feet and it appears it'd have to climb 100 feet uphill before heading down tot he main road. The Street View at the end of Truck 219 confirms the runaway truck ramp there is quite a steep slope.

Edited to add: Let's see whether this link works. It's zoomed out to show the whole area and you can see the issue I'm noting pretty clearly. (Interesting that Google labels the truck road as a "bypass.")

Edited later to note that link worked fine on my PC but doesn't bring up terrain view in the Google Maps app on my iPad. If all you see is the regular map, go to the menu (on a PC) or the round button (in the app) and switch to terrain view and zoom out enough to see the elevation lines.
Yeah that does look like a pretty steep climb now that I look at it that way. The GSV from 2008 is a bit blurry to see everything like any GSV image from 2008.

Having been thru there (and even riding down that ramp once years ago when there was construction that caused it to be used as a detour for NB traffic), that is steep and rough topography.  I imagine if it really were what you thought it was at first, they could widen the current ramp, and just build a two-lane bypass.  But, alas, no.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2019, 06:05:11 PM »

There is the non-freeway trucks only US 209 Truck Route in Ridgway PA. https://goo.gl/maps/knsdX84NKhKFSVfx8

219, not 209.
Funny he made that mistake as trucks are banned completely from US 209 between Bushkill and Milford with no truck bypass.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2019, 04:50:53 PM »

Westbound CA 60 at CA 57 in Diamond Bar. Also serves as the general access point for Brea Canyon Rd.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2019, 12:17:10 PM »

Doesn't the northern I-15/I-215 junction in San Bernardino also have truck-only ramps?


They're labeled as TRUCK BYPASS with no signage compelling trucks to use it and nothing preventing cars from using the truck bypass

I don't think any California truck bypass says "no cars," they're just discouraged.

There's another truck bypass on I-215, on SB I-215/EB CA 60 at the Moreno Valley interchange where the highways split.
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Re: Dedicated freeway truck routes
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2019, 02:35:39 PM »

Georgia has plans to build truck only lanes along I-75 between Macon and south metro Atlanta. The $1.8 billion dollar project is in preliminary engineering to build two barrier separated lanes in the northbound direction only for 38 miles.

GDOT info page: http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/SpecialProjects/I75CVLanes

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