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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #200 on: May 15, 2012, 05:15:40 PM »

Im exited about Interstate 49 being signed in Mo.
Better than being entered, I suppose.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #201 on: May 15, 2012, 05:26:26 PM »

Must be an easily exitable person.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #202 on: May 15, 2012, 05:52:10 PM »

Must be an easily exitable person.

I am when it comes to new highways.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #203 on: May 15, 2012, 05:56:07 PM »

Where's the emoticon for 'over your head'?
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #204 on: May 15, 2012, 06:15:11 PM »

Where's the emoticon for 'over your head'?

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J N Winkler's Excellent Letter
« Reply #205 on: May 25, 2012, 02:51:59 PM »

Kphoger--I have followed up on your suggestion and sent a letter to the editor via email.

J N Winkler's letter to the editor - "Recent Column on I-49 Missed the Point" has been published.  A superb effort:

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By Jonathan Winkler
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Posted May 16, 2012 @ 12:45 AM

Wichita, KS — To the editor:

In his May 9 guest column, “An interstate we need and one we don’t,” blasting the Missouri Department of Transportation for waste and accusing it of playing a “shell game” in western Missouri, Fred Reiss makes a number of false and misleading claims about Interstate 49.
First, he claims I-49 is bogus because it does not cross from Missouri into Arkansas. “Interstate” refers to the system as a whole and does not imply that every individual highway in it crosses a state line. Many, such as I-17 and I-19 in Arizona, lie wholly within one state.
Reiss also claims to “do the math” on MoDOT’s recent I-49 signing contract, by dividing the $3.5 million low bid by 1,220 emergency reference markers to conclude that each reference marker costs $2,868.85. This analysis is flawed. In the low bid, the total cost of reference markers was $315,849.56, with the cost per marker ranging from $243.68 near Kansas City down to $234.18 farther south. These amounts can be verified by referring to the bid tabulations for MoDOT contract number 111021-G01, which MoDOT has posted online. The majority of the $3.5 million cost of the I-49 signing contract arises from large sign panels, many of which would have had to be replaced anyway to maintain adequate visibility at night.
MoDOT is not without need to reform, but to imply that upgrading U.S. 71 to I-49 is a waste of money is to play a shell game on citizens who vote, but do not necessarily have the time to inform themselves of the issues.
Engineers consider that upgrading highways to four-lane divided begins to be justified when average daily traffic volumes exceed 10,000 vehicles. U.S. 71 south of Kansas City exceeds this threshold, and converting it to an interstate costs little because long lengths of it are already freeway.
Bottom line, I-49 not only is affordable to Missouri, but is also a good buy.
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Missouri Bella Vista Bypass Construction in MoDOT's 2013-17 Draft STIP?
« Reply #206 on: May 28, 2012, 08:06:48 PM »

In looking at MoDOT's 2013-17 Draft STIP, I noticed what appears to be a Bella Vista Bypass project slated for the 7/2014 to 6/2015 time period (page 11/27 of pdf):



Is my interpretation of this project correct, or is it simply an upgrade to the existing US 71?  I'm hoping AHTD got MoDOT to "bite" when it went through the letting process for the the second Arkansas Bella Vista Bypass project.
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Missouri's Bella Vista Bypass
« Reply #207 on: May 29, 2012, 03:57:43 PM »

In looking at MoDOT's 2013-17 Draft STIP, I noticed what appears to be a Bella Vista Bypass project slated for the 7/2014 to 6/2015 time period (page 11/27 of pdf)

I spoke with a MoDOT individual today and he confirmed that the above 2015 project in the Draft STIP is for the Bella Vista Bypass. However, it is contingent on whether Arkansas will have construction under way to the state line by that time. As he put it, there is no need to build it to a dead-end and have it sit for a long time. MoDOT already has the money set aside and will build the entire four lanes even if Arkansas has to stay at two lanes for a while.  I believe that there is also an element of MoDOT trying to "encourage" AHTD to start construction to the state line.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #208 on: May 30, 2012, 08:54:58 PM »

Heck MODOT "gave" Arky their share from Tiger II grants. Heck a new BVB would give Bobby Petrino a new place to ride his bike around.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #209 on: May 30, 2012, 08:57:49 PM »

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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #210 on: May 31, 2012, 09:20:02 PM »

I was on 71/Future 49 between Nevada and Kansas City this afternoon.

  • The emergency reference markers were in place along the entire roadway. all were turned so that the front of the sign faced away from the roadway
  • There are still a few at-grades in place along 71. Construction is progressing on the interchanges to replace these at-grades.
  • Exit tabs are in place on all of the exits in Cass County, and into a bit of Southern Jackson county. I did see a MoDOT truck somewhere between Grandview and the Triangle (which local traffic reporter Steve Parker/Major Miles always seems to drop in his traffic reports)


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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #211 on: June 18, 2012, 04:09:57 PM »

I snapped a few on my way to Omaha. The first one kind of sucks but you get the idea. I am bumfuzzled as to why when adding the I-49 bracket they didn't replace the MO 291. Third picture is just north of the stub ramp for the Bella Vista Bypass. Fourth is a turned away emergency reference marker (not costing $2,868.85)




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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #212 on: June 18, 2012, 04:22:01 PM »

so no state-named 49 shields posted yet in Missouri?
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #213 on: June 18, 2012, 05:46:14 PM »

The southern-most exit posted is Exit 5 (Route H/ Pineville). There are numbered exits posted to just north of Carthage, resuming again at Archie but ending at Three Trails Crossing.

There is an (unfinished) End 49 sign just past Three Trails, but mileposts continue to Bannister Rd.

There is a possible signing error at 71/96 at Carthage. It appears the I-49 sign will have a "Straight Ahead" arrow rather than a left turn arrow on WB 96. I hope to investigate further sometime this week.

There is no exit assembly yet, but the mile marker for NB 71 at Bus 71/Rt K /"To West 54" at Nevada is MM 101.0 at the ramp.

I will have photos on Flickr either next weekend or sometime next week. I have "drive-by" photos of nearly every exit and close-ups of a few.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #214 on: June 19, 2012, 02:54:20 AM »

so no state-named 49 shields posted yet in Missouri?

If there are any, they won't be posted until I-49 becomes official. That's expected to be in December.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #215 on: June 19, 2012, 02:58:40 PM »

This is probably the only Arkansas I-49 shield, and likely the first one ever made:

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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #216 on: June 22, 2012, 12:11:08 AM »

A few sights from Future I-49 taken during the last couple weeks:


Northern Terminus at Three Trails Crossing


First posted exit on NB 71 near Pineville


Temporary sign for Bus 71 at Carthage (to be replaced by Bus Loop 49)


US71/ MO 7/ MO 2 near Harrisonville
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #217 on: July 01, 2012, 02:26:40 AM »

So how many approximate miles does this leave to be constructed between the north end of I-540 and the south end of soon-to-be I-49?
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #218 on: July 01, 2012, 08:35:18 AM »

So how many approximate miles does this leave to be constructed between the north end of I-540 and the south end of soon-to-be I-49?

I don't have exact numbers handy at the moment, but I'd say 15 miles...maximum 20.
 
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #219 on: July 02, 2012, 05:49:40 AM »

So how many approximate miles does this leave to be constructed between the north end of I-540 and the south end of soon-to-be I-49?

I don't have exact numbers handy at the moment, but I'd say 15 miles...maximum 20.

I looked in an atlas and straight through on 71 it's 14 miles. Guess the bypass will make it longer by a good bit.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #220 on: July 03, 2012, 01:23:28 PM »

So how many approximate miles does this leave to be constructed between the north end of I-540 and the south end of soon-to-be I-49?

I don't have exact numbers handy at the moment, but I'd say 15 miles...maximum 20.
 

Sad that a state DOT (AHTD or otherwise) can't come up with enough $$$ for a 15-20 mile, 4-lane project to bridge a gap in a major regional interstate.  Especially when the economic long-term benefits really outweigh any short-term costs.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #221 on: July 05, 2012, 06:05:23 AM »

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Sad that a state DOT (AHTD or otherwise) can't come up with enough $$$ for a 15-20 mile, 4-lane project to bridge a gap in a major regional interstate.  Especially when the economic long-term benefits really outweigh any short-term costs.

Lol... Welcome to Arkansas.  They can't even fix (much less, plan) I-540/Future I-49 in NWA.  It's really sad.
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US 71 Transit Study in Kansas City/ Grandview Area
« Reply #222 on: July 11, 2012, 12:49:34 PM »

71 will be a freeway one day.  Yeah, I know there is a court settlement and all but court rulings are overruled every day.  The demographics of the neighborhood could change.  Residents die, new residents who have different views of the freeway will be born, residents will move into the neighborhood.  It might not be built in my lifetime, but it will be built one day barring something like a total economic collapse or a nuclear war or some other catastrophe.

I suspect that the possible upgrade of Bruce R. Watkins Drive to an interstate-grade facility is not even part of the agenda, but there is a photo of Bruce R. Watkins Drive on a page describing July 12 and July 17 Open Houses for the US 71 Transit Study, and it is conceivable that an upgrade could work in conjunction with transit goals:

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The U.S. 71 corridor begins in the downtown loop of Kansas City, Mo., and runs south along U.S. 71/Bruce R. Watkins Dr. through Kansas City and Grandview to M-150 near the Cass County border. This heavily traveled corridor includes not only the U.S.71 highway facility, but also Prospect Avenue and adjacent railroad assets.
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Project Goals
The purpose of the study will be to identify the preferred transit alternative that best meets current and future transportation needs while also helping to shape, support and focus future economic development and revitalization of activity centers along the corridor. MARC, KCATA, the city of Kansas City, Mo., and Jackson County intend to build extensively off of past work as well as the Commuter Corridor Alternatives Analysis currently underway. The team will use the study results to help develop a more comprehensive regional commuter corridor system and secure funding for implementation and potentially apply for federal funds.

It seems to me that a freeway upgrade could be part of the solution to meet the Project Goals; maybe the day for a US 71 freeway will be sooner than we think.

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This article indicates that the study is limited to commuter rail options:

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Planning is further along for the first two lines seen as the beginning of a metro transit system, probably based on commuter rail service. One line is from Kansas City into Independence, Blue Springs, Grain Valley and Oak Grove, and one is from Kansas City into Raytown and Lee’s Summit. But local officials have won federal money to pursue study of the Grandview line as well. As initially proposed two and a half years ago, there would eventually be six lines, probably meeting at Union Station, serving much of metro, including the airport.

Still, if they studying how to revitalize neighborhoods along the corridor, then it seems like the study would need to at least mention current and future anticipated traffic flow along US 71 and all of the potential methods of addressing the traffic flow.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #223 on: July 11, 2012, 03:42:24 PM »

We can only hope a upgrade is coming. It will be a day of celebration in KC when those lights go away.
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More Lights in Kansas City?
« Reply #224 on: July 20, 2012, 08:27:13 PM »

I suspect that the possible upgrade of Bruce R. Watkins Drive to an interstate-grade facility is not even part of the agenda, but there is a photo of Bruce R. Watkins Drive on a page describing July 12 and July 17 Open Houses for the US 71 Transit Study, and it is conceivable that an upgrade could work in conjunction with transit goals
We can only hope a upgrade is coming. It will be a day of celebration in KC when those lights go away.

At least one member of the Stakeholder Advisory Panel, in a July 19 meeting, expressed a hope to add lights to the corridor (page 2/136 of pdf):

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2. I would prefer a Bus BRT and a Light Rail line right down the US 71 corridor (Red and Blue). I think most of the congestion on 71 is from the Grandview, Belton and even Harrisonville traffic coming into the City. When it reaches Bruce Watkins Drive, there is a pinch point. I would hate to see this “grand boulevard” turned into a freeway with more roadway, whether it is designated for transit or not. Everyone adjacent to Bruce Watkins Drive uses US 71 for a different purpose than those commuters, and therefore deserve a separate mode of transportation. These two alternatives should go from downtown (and maybe one day cross the river into North Kansas City) to Bannister Road/Bannister Mall.
3. The final alternative is the DMU on the South Kansas City rail line to Bannister, Grandview and Belton/Richard Gebauer. To make this line competitive with driving your car, I think they need to make up that time for stops by going from Bannister directly into downtown. If we could remove these commuters from their cars, then we could relieve congestion at the pinch point and then even re-boulevard US 71 north of 51st (a big dream I know, but aren’t we deconstructing highways across the country?!) to make it more permeable and stitch back these communities that were ripped apart.

I wonder if John Norquist is observing this process?
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