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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #300 on: June 20, 2013, 12:30:06 PM »

The projected route through Texas can be seen on the 2011 Arkansas Highway Map.

Here's a snip from the 2011 map:



AHTD has released the 2013 Arkansas Highway map and the 2013 map does not have the projected route through Texas:



The "new" AR 549 in Texarkana is designated on the map. Perhaps AHTD removed the Future I-49 routing because they thought the traveling public might become confused by the Future I-49 routing connecting to AR 549?

Maybe by this time next year AR 549 will have been designated as I-49 and the projected route will return.



-AR 245 has been  fully decommissioned. It no longer exists at all at Texarkana, replaced by Four States Fairground Road. A couple signs remain, but those are likely signs missed when AHTD changed things around (such as at State Line Rd).

The Texarkana inset from the 2013 map definitely has AR 245 designated from I-30 to AR 296; the map does not make it readily apparent whether it is designated from I-30 to AR 549:



The list of changes in Texarkana from the 2012 map reads as follows (page 4/5 of pdf) and appears to indicate that AR 245 still exists from AR 549 to AR 296:

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45. Texarkana Inset: A.) New section of Hwy. 549 added.
B.) Old part of Hwy. 245 between Arkansas Blvd. & Hwy. 296 not FCA.
C.) Hwy. 245 from Jct. 549 to Arkansas Blvd. re-designated as Hwy. 549.
D.) Hwy. 245 from State Line to Jct. 549 re-designated as Hwy. 151

What does "FCA" mean? Fully Controlled Access?
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #301 on: June 20, 2013, 03:45:26 PM »

They should build a flyover from NB 49 to NB 245 and one from NB 245 to WB 30 to create a shortcut for NB 49 to WB 30 traffic.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #302 on: June 20, 2013, 03:54:18 PM »

-AR 245 has been  fully decommissioned. It no longer exists at all at Texarkana, replaced by Four States Fairground Road. A couple signs remain, but those are likely signs missed when AHTD changed things around (such as at State Line Rd).

Were the 296 shields removed from I-30?  If not, then I consider AR 245 a fully signed active state route.  If they were removed, it might have been because they didn't want to confuse drivers who once took AR 245 south towards Shreveport.  That would explain why the signs are still up.
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The Texarkana inset from the 2013 map definitely has AR 245 designated from I-30 to AR 296; the map does not make it readily apparent whether it is designated from I-30 to AR 549:



The list of changes in Texarkana from the 2012 map reads as follows (page 4/5 of pdf) and appears to indicate that AR 245 still exists from AR 549 to AR 296:

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45. Texarkana Inset: A.) New section of Hwy. 549 added.
B.) Old part of Hwy. 245 between Arkansas Blvd. & Hwy. 296 not FCA.
C.) Hwy. 245 from Jct. 549 to Arkansas Blvd. re-designated as Hwy. 549.
D.) Hwy. 245 from State Line to Jct. 549 re-designated as Hwy. 151

What does "FCA" mean? Fully Controlled Access?

Yes, "fully controlled access".  If you look at AHTD's county maps, freeways are labelled "FCA".

Did you learn about that file from the Facebook group or did you find it on your own?  I happened to upon it after downloading the actual maps and ordering my yearly 10 maps.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #303 on: June 20, 2013, 04:05:00 PM »

Yes, "fully controlled access".  If you look at AHTD's county maps, freeways are labelled "FCA".

Thanks for the clarification.



Did you learn about that file from the Facebook group or did you find it on your own?  I happened to upon it after downloading the actual maps and ordering my yearly 10 maps.

Today, AHTD posted a link to it in the "News" section on their homepage.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #304 on: June 20, 2013, 06:39:47 PM »


The list of changes in Texarkana from the 2012 map reads as follows (page 4/5 of pdf) and appears to indicate that AR 245 still exists from AR 549 to AR 296:


No. There are NO signs along I-30 for 245 (now posted as Four States Fair Blvd), nor along AR 296. Also no signs north of I-30 in either direction, nor SB along 549 south of I-30.

I saw two signs for AR 245 when I was there in May: one at the State Line (instead of AR 151) and one just north of the 151/549 interchange.

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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #305 on: July 07, 2013, 02:10:54 PM »

The June, 2013 Arkansas Highways Newsletter has a photo of an "Exit" AR 549 BGS with Houston, Shreveport and Fort Smith as the three control cities (page 5/16 of pdf):



It will be a loooooong time before there will be interstate connections to Houston and Fort Smith.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #306 on: July 07, 2013, 03:48:37 PM »

Cool though that each city is in a different state
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #307 on: July 07, 2013, 05:08:38 PM »

The June, 2013 Arkansas Highways Newsletter has a photo of an "Exit" AR 549 BGS with Houston, Shreveport and Fort Smith as the three control cities (page 5/16 of pdf):



It will be a loooooong time before there will be interstate connections to Houston and Fort Smith.

This is along I-30 (Exit 3). Both directions, there's a single exit which splits into 2 exits.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #308 on: July 07, 2013, 11:30:00 PM »

The June, 2013 Arkansas Highways Newsletter has a photo of an "Exit" AR 549 BGS with Houston, Shreveport and Fort Smith as the three control cities (page 5/16 of pdf):



It will be a loooooong time before there will be interstate connections to Houston and Fort Smith.

And not one mention at all about I-49. I contend that AHTD simply isn't serious about the concept of I-49. No Future I-49 signs to speak of, and hardly any mention of it from any of AHTD media.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #309 on: July 08, 2013, 03:03:55 AM »

Where is there a future I-49 sign in Arkansas?
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #310 on: July 08, 2013, 07:38:19 AM »

Where is there a future I-49 sign in Arkansas?

None, to my knowledge.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #311 on: July 08, 2013, 07:50:50 AM »

-AR 245 has been  fully decommissioned. It no longer exists at all at Texarkana, replaced by Four States Fairground Road. A couple signs remain, but those are likely signs missed when AHTD changed things around (such as at State Line Rd).

Were the 296 shields removed from I-30?  If not, then I consider AR 245 a fully signed active state route.  If they were removed, it might have been because they didn't want to confuse drivers who once took AR 245 south towards Shreveport.  That would explain why the signs are still up.
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The Texarkana inset from the 2013 map definitely has AR 245 designated from I-30 to AR 296; the map does not make it readily apparent whether it is designated from I-30 to AR 549:



The list of changes in Texarkana from the 2012 map reads as follows (page 4/5 of pdf) and appears to indicate that AR 245 still exists from AR 549 to AR 296:

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45. Texarkana Inset: A.) New section of Hwy. 549 added.
B.) Old part of Hwy. 245 between Arkansas Blvd. & Hwy. 296 not FCA.
C.) Hwy. 245 from Jct. 549 to Arkansas Blvd. re-designated as Hwy. 549.
D.) Hwy. 245 from State Line to Jct. 549 re-designated as Hwy. 151

What does "FCA" mean? Fully Controlled Access?

Yes, "fully controlled access".  If you look at AHTD's county maps, freeways are labelled "FCA".

Did you learn about that file from the Facebook group or did you find it on your own?  I happened to upon it after downloading the actual maps and ordering my yearly 10 maps.

It is interesting to me that the interchange at Interstate 30 and State Line Dr. Still shows a cloverleaf intersection, although this has been converted to a diamond interchange.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #312 on: July 08, 2013, 08:04:55 AM »

I contend that AHTD simply isn't serious about the concept of I-49.

I also wonder how serious AHTD is about I-49.  I recently took a look at Missouri's 2011 I-49 Application Documents (page 6/8 of pdf) and noticed that, in AASHTO's letter to FHWA, it was already AASHTO's position that I-49 is a statutory numerically designated corridor (which overrides any potential concern about a dual presence of I-49 and US 49 in Arkansas):

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Dear Mr. Mendez:
This is to advise you that AASHTO is in receipt of a formal application from the Missouri Department of Transportation to establish Interstate Route 49. Section 1105 of the Intermodal surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 (ISTEA) Congress identified the north-south corridor from Kansas City, Missouri to Shreveport, Louisiana as a High Priority Corridor 1 (HPC 1) on the National Highway System. The corridor was designated as a future interstate route and further defined this corridor as Interstate Route 49 ....

Did they really run into an obstruction at AASHTO over the US 49 issue?



No Future I-49 signs

Note that the letter also expressly states that it is a "future interstate route ... further defined ... as Interstate Route 49".  It looks like AASHTO would have certainly permitted "Future I-49 Corridor" signs if AHTD had asked for them, at least as early as 2011.  AHTD can still ask for them now.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #313 on: July 10, 2013, 08:48:42 AM »

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=919619
Signs are officially going up on the 15th on the new I-69E & I-69C segments, according to this link.
(above quote from I-69 in TX thread)

I received an email from TxDOT this morning indicating that the installation of the I-369 shields will "probably" begin in the fall:

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The I-369 signs near Texarkana will probably beginning being installed in the fall.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #314 on: July 10, 2013, 09:10:14 AM »

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=919619
Signs are officially going up on the 15th on the new I-69E & I-69C segments, according to this link.
(above quote from I-69 in TX thread)

I received an email from TxDOT this morning indicating that I-369 shields will "probably" begin to be installed in the fall:

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The I-369 signs near Texarkana will probably beginning being installed in the fall.

I will be at the signing ceremony in the Valley on the 15th. I will give a full update after.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #315 on: July 15, 2013, 04:10:41 PM »

Here are my pictures from the signing this morning.:

https://plus.google.com/photos/108314424034130737389/albums/5900933620817858929

It was some fun
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #316 on: July 15, 2013, 06:52:24 PM »

Good stuff!

The blue directional arrow panels under the white US shields need to be fixed, however. It looks horrible.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #317 on: July 16, 2013, 01:17:33 AM »

Good stuff!

The blue directional arrow panels under the white US shields need to be fixed, however. It looks horrible.

Agreed.  I didn't like it, but tried to not let it ruin the experience. :-D
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Re: Texarkana; (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #318 on: July 26, 2013, 10:06:50 AM »

How do we define Tri-Interstate Cities? 3 different 'parent'/2di interstates?

So we currently have:
San Diego (5, 8, 15), Denver (25, 70, 76), San Antonio (10, 35, 37), Fort Worth (20, 30, 35W), Dallas (a 'quad': 20, 30, 35E, 45), Houston (10, 45, 69), Oklahoma City (35, 40, 44), Kansas City (29, 35, 70), Maidison (39, 90, 94), Quad Cities (74, 80, 88), Chicago (a 'quint': 55, 57, 88, 90, 94), Bloomington (39, 55, 74), St Louis (quad: 44, 55, 64, 70), Champaign (57, 72, 74), Memphis (quad: 22, 40, 55, 69), Slidell (10, 12, 59), Birmingham (quad: 20, 22, 59, 65), Atlanta (20, 75, 85), Chattanooga (24, 59, 75), Nashville (24, 40, 65), Louisville (64, 65, 71), Cincinnatti (71, 74, 75), Indianapolis (quad:65, 69, 70, 74), Gary (quad:65, 80, 90, 95), Detroit (75, 94, 96), Toledo (75, 80, 90), Cleveland (quad: 71, 77, 480, 90), Charlestown (64, 77, 79), Bedford (70, 76, 99), Harrisburg (76, 81, 83), Baltimore (quad:70, 83, 95, 97), DC (66, 270, 95), Columbia (20, 26, 77), Greensville (40, 73, 85), Scranton (quad:476, 380, 81, 84), Binghampton (81, 86, 88), Newark (78, 280, 95), New York (quad:78, 80, 87, 95), Boston (90, 93, 95)

Future ones would include Casa Grande (8, 10, 11), Texarkana (30, 49, x69), Shreveport (20, 49, 69), Meridian (20, 59, 85) and Milwaukee (43, US41, 94).

Bump.

Was looking for something else but found this.  Kansas City is now a "quad", apparently.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #319 on: July 31, 2013, 08:32:04 AM »

To take a left turn here on this forum, what is the plan for the Texas segment if I-49?
(above quote from I49 in LA thread)

Past posts in this thread (which includes discussion of I-49 in both SW Arkansas and Texas) discuss :

a link to the Executive Summary of the Final Environmental Impact Statement of I-49 from DeQueen to Texarkana (which includes the Texas I-49 segment):

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3321.msg135206#msg135206, and

a cost estimate for building the Red River bridge:

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3321.msg76274#msg76274

I don't plan on seeing the plans become reality in my lifetime.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #320 on: July 31, 2013, 01:07:20 PM »


I don't plan on seeing the plans become reality in my lifetime.



MAN, Arkansas in so many ways, has so much going for it right now.  Hope we don't look like fools because of this.  (And as you suggest, Grzrd, Texas with their stretch up to and over the Red River might drag their feet.  It will depend upon how bad the TxDOT, authors of the map above culled by KTBS 3/Shreveport, do they really want their "I-49/I-69/Crossroads to the future".)

EDIT: Earlier this month, the American Thinker ran this piece on how, according to The Financial Times, Houston has now supplanted New York City as America's number 1 goods port (amazing, IMO).  That's part of my guess why they like the idea of this corridor.

Now we'll see who "ponys up", as the old saying went.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #321 on: July 31, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »

I don't understand why I-49 was proposed to briefly cut into the NE corner of Texas in the first place. Did they run into a lot of opposition from property owners in and near Ogden, AR to having I-49 routed near or along the existing US-71 alignment East of the Texas state line? Why not keep the I-49 route north of Texarkana entirely in Arkansas?

Just looking at the proposed path and where AR-549 currently ends at US-71, I have to wonder if Texas would have any useful exits along I-49. Maybe one at Summerhill Rd? I could understand why Texas would place funding of a Red River Bridge project for I-49 way down on its list of priorities.

This routing of I-49 through the SE corner of Texas might have made more sense if a significant road like Future I-369 were able to tie into it (and complete a loop around Texarkana). But there's a huge amount of retail development where I-369 meets I-30 and a lot of residential development North of that.

I have a feeling Arkansas DOT will, at some point years in the future, be forced to redesign the segment of I-49 between Texarkana and Ashdown to stay within Arkansas, probably on the existing US-71/59 alignment. They might have to do that to prevent another Belle Vista like situation from developing.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #322 on: July 31, 2013, 02:35:02 PM »

I don't understand why I-49 was proposed to briefly cut into the NE corner of Texas in the first place. Did they run into a lot of opposition from property owners in and near Ogden, AR to having I-49 routed near or along the existing US-71 alignment East of the Texas state line? Why not keep the I-49 route north of Texarkana entirely in Arkansas?
Like I-41 in IL, TX didn't think they had enough 2dis?

OK, that makes little sense what with the suffixed I-69 routes, rather than new 2dis...
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« Reply #323 on: July 31, 2013, 03:15:34 PM »

The problem is Texas doesn't appear to want their section of I-49. At least that's how the situation appears to me. The I-69 corridor and various projects in Texas' biggest cities seem to be a far greater priority.

For Arkansas I-49 would have to be one of its top priorities, and logically a bigger priority than I-69. Arkansas is seeing its best growth in the Northwestern part of the state along the I-49 corridor. I think a completed I-49 corridor would do more for the state than some of the other big projects they've been pursuing.

Arkansas has been extending the US-67 freeway from Little Rock toward Walnut Ridge, but not pushing the freeway corridor through to Southern Illinois (where it might be an extension of I-30 or I-57). They're slowly extending I-530 South from Pine Bluff to a spot where I-69 might be built, maybe a decade or two from now -especially when that bridge over the Mississippi River is figured into the situation.

The I-49 corridor is far closer to completion than I-69. And that's even counting the difficulty going on with I-49 between Lafayette and New Orleans. The segment between Fort Smith and Texarkana won't be easy or cheap to build due to the mountainous terrain along parts of the route. But the Rogers/Fayetteville/Bentonville metro has turned into a very important destination along the Interstate highway system, enough so that I would expect increasing pressure for Arkansas to get I-49 completed even if that means cutting out Texas' part of the proposed route.
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Re: Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur)
« Reply #324 on: July 31, 2013, 03:56:23 PM »

But the Rogers/Fayetteville/Bentonville metro has turned into a very important destination along the Interstate highway system, enough so that I would expect increasing pressure for Arkansas to get I-49 completed even if that means cutting out Texas' part of the proposed route.

Here's a wild one:

Northwest Arkansas (Rogers/Fayetteville/Bentonville), with three Fortune 500 companies (and their adherents) has more Fortune 500 companies than 22 states or the District of Columbia.

With two Fortune 100 company headquarters, Northwest Arkansas alone has more in that category than Arizona (Phoenix), Colorado (Denver), Florida (Miami/Fort Lauderdale, Tampa/St. Pete, Orlando, Jacksonville), Indiana (Indianapolis) or Missouri (St. Louis, Kansas City).

And that's before you factor in "S.E.C., Inc." which right now is the most highly-decorated college athletic conference (with the SEC West including member Arkansas having the last 5 of the last 6 BCS champions and 3 of the last 4 Heisman winners).

This metro area is a boom town and has been for some time.
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