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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #275 on: December 26, 2012, 12:17:22 PM »

So what will the state highway 83 from McAllen to Brownsville be labled?
US 83.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #276 on: December 26, 2012, 01:24:11 PM »

So what will the state highway 83 from McAllen to Brownsville be labled?
US 83.

What interstate number will it be labled?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #277 on: December 26, 2012, 01:29:19 PM »

So what will the state highway 83 from McAllen to Brownsville be labled?
US 83.

What interstate number will it be labled?

I-169 signs were ordered for it; mentioned here earlier in the thread.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #278 on: December 26, 2012, 02:34:53 PM »

why can't Louisiana sign the freeway from Raceland to Morgan City as I-49? State preference?

Assuming it is interstate-grade freeway, under FHWA's current interpretation of the MAP-21 legislation enacted this past summer, Louisiana could do so if it would commit to FHWA that it will connect that section to the currently existing interstate network within twenty-five years. MAP-21 has similar, yet separate, provisions regarding I-69 and I-11 that are being followed regarding I-69 in Texas.

The legislation is of such recent vintage that Louisiana may not even be aware that it can do so.
I think the focus right now is on I-49 North instead of South. I wouldn't be surprised if a bypass of Logansport and a highway connecting I-49 in Shreveport to I-20 in the form of a loop through the port and around Barksdale are completed before I-49 South gets shields. Once Arkansas starts construction of I-69 near the Louisiana line, I think our state will jump on the ball for it.

I, for one, cannot wait to start seeing work done on a Logansport Bypass.

If that happens, then all of South Louisiana will rise up in revolt, since they already are ticked off about I-49 North being built for free from the dirt up while upgrading US 90 into I-49 South will get the toll treatment. Especially those sections of US 90 already upgraded for free.

Until TX resolves what they want to do with the Carthage/Logansport section and the LA 3132 extension issues are resolved (or they decide to build the I-49 ICC, I'd much rather they complete I-49 South through Lafayette Parish on to Morgan City first. That would solve much of the problem, and even allow I-49 shields to fly temporarily.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #279 on: December 27, 2012, 02:45:10 PM »

So what will the state highway 83 from McAllen to Brownsville be labled?
US 83.

What interstate number will it be labled?

I-169 signs were ordered for it; mentioned here earlier in the thread.

Did not see that...........Thanks.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #280 on: January 20, 2013, 10:49:55 AM »

So what will the state highway 83 from McAllen to Brownsville be labled?
US 83.

What interstate number will it be labled?

I-169 signs were ordered for it; mentioned here earlier in the thread.

Would it be easier to just have one seamless number for US 83 (McAllen to Brownsville) and US 281 (McAllen to I--69 or I-37) instead of having two different Interstates (I-169 and I-69C)?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #281 on: January 23, 2013, 02:42:15 AM »

Would it be easier to just have one seamless number for US 83 (McAllen to Brownsville) and US 281 (McAllen to I--69 or I-37) instead of having two different Interstates (I-169 and I-69C)?

The US 83 freeway extends well west of US 281, to the edge of Las Penitas; US 281 technically intersects US 83 in Pharr, not McAllen, although it all pretty much blends together.  And in theory "I-69C" is supposed to make it to the border proper eventually at Pharr, although that's rather implausible without bulldozing downtown Pharr on the way (I'd send it west/north on US 83 to the proposed Anzalduas Highway extension, although you could also go east/south and eventually cut down to the Donna bridge on FM 493).
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #282 on: January 25, 2013, 04:14:49 PM »

US 59 from Victoria to Laredo is still statutorily designated as the continuation of the unsuffixed I-69. I find it interesting that there is currently scheduled to be: the unsuffixed I-69 prong, an I-69E prong, and an I-69C prong, but no I-69W prong. Our Congressional representatives in action!
when will the good people in the TXDOT engineering department rise above their political oppressors and number the routes something logical?
Surely Texans would revolt over EU-style bureaucracy/technocracy, symbolised by the FHWA/TXDOT, ignoring the wishes of a representative democracy?

Maybe TxDOT has heard the taunts from across the pond. This article reports that the "Laredo prong" will be signed as I-69 W:

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The Hidalgo County Commissioner’s Court heard a report from members of the I-69 Texas Department of Transportation Advisory Committee in their Tuesday, Jan. 15, meeting of the court.
Spokesperson for the three members of the I-69 Advisory Committee was Cameron County Commissioner David Garza ....
Nearly half of the length of the corridor is in Texas. In South Texas, I-69 is to have three branches. I-69-E is to run along US 77 to Harlingen. I -69-C is to run along US 281 into McAllen. I-69-W will move west to Laredo.

Having W, C, and E prongs would be more logical looking at the total I-69 system in Texas, but replacing the statute's "I-69" designation with "I-69 W" still does not seem quite right.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #283 on: January 26, 2013, 06:37:36 AM »

San Antinio to Brownsville goes as I-37 with a spur to Corpus.
Victoria to Laredo goes as I-69, thus Laredo to Houston being one highway number.

Everything else stays a US route. least confusing of this mess.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #284 on: January 26, 2013, 03:35:46 PM »

I think it should be like this:

Mainline I-69 uses US 77 from Victoria to Corpus to Brownsville.
I-6: TX 44 from Corpus to Freer and US 59 from Freer to Laredo.
I-2: US 83 from Laredo to Harlingen.
I-37 stays as is.
I-169 goes from north of Raymondsville on 77 southwest to Edinburg, then south on 281 to connect with the Pharr Int'l Bridge
I-269: US 59 from Victoria to Freer
I-369: Texarkana spur
I-469: Grand Parkway all the way around Houston.

This eliminates the splits, makes Corpus and Laredo Tri-interstate cities, leaves 5 x69's in Texas open, and eliminates the need to have 2 long parallel interstates in the rural area of the valley. Of course, Laredo, Pharr, and Brownsville all want I-69 so the 1di's won't happen. And I don't think they'll build my 169, but that's just my 2 cents.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #285 on: January 26, 2013, 04:33:59 PM »

I don't see how this is confusing or a mess.  Unnecessary perhaps.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #286 on: January 26, 2013, 04:47:45 PM »

This was my original idea for solving the I-69 mess:

US 59 from Houston to Laredo (via Victoria, George West, and Freer): I-69
US 77 from Corpus Christi to Brownsville: an I-37 extension; with existing I-37 from there to downtown Corpus converted to an I-x37 spur
US 281 from George West to Pharr: keep as is unless a freeway connnection is built through George West to connect w/ I-37; then I-x37
US 83 in S. TX: keep as is.
SH 44 from Freer to Robstown and US 77 through Corpus Christi to Victoria: I-469 or I-2 (Save I-6 for I-49 South in LA...heh)
US 59 from Carthage to Texarkana: I-369 (or possibly I-47)


An alternative would be to sign I-69 along US 59 to Freer, then SH 44 to Robstown, then US 77 through Corpus Christi to Victoria, and make the Freer-Victoria segment of US 59 I-269 (or leave as is until a freeway upgrade is warranted).
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #287 on: January 26, 2013, 07:55:58 PM »

My idea:

US 59 stays US 59
US 77 stays US 77
US 281 stays US 281
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #288 on: February 07, 2013, 08:43:08 AM »

FHWA has approved the 28 mile US 59 section from 610 to south of Rosenberg (looks like they haven't approved the concurrent section on 610 yet).  The TxDOT press release says it's already been designated I-69.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Interstate-69-coming-piece-by-piece-4257896.php

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The Texas Department of Transportation also announced that the newest 28-mile segment of I-69, along U.S. 59 from the 610 Loop to south of Rosenberg, recently received federal approval.

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An ambitious, multibillion-dollar effort to push forward the state-spanning Interstate 69 was highlighted at the Texas Capitol Wednesday even as lawmakers struggle with transportation funding needs.
 
The Texas leg of the 1,600-mile interstate would stretch from the Lower Rio Grande Valley to Texarkana, tracking U.S. 77 and U.S. 281 in South Texas and U.S. 59 in the Houston area north.
 
State officials called the project, estimated to cost $16 billion, important to safety and economic development as goods move northward to the Midwest and Northeast. Of 1,000 miles of the proposed route in Texas, about 70 have been designated by the federal government as interstate quality so far. The goal is to complete half of the freeway in 20 years, using mostly federal and state funds, but with some local contributions possible.

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The majority of the freeway will follow existing federal highways.
 
TxDOT's Williams said most of the work involved in constructing I-69 is taking those highways and bringing them to federal standards with divided lanes, separation from local streets and other safety upgrades.
 
Those efforts require engineering and construction, which TxDOT will handle as funding becomes available. Essentially, the one interstate is dozens of widening, redesign and rebuilding jobs across Texas. About 200 miles of the highways already are up to federal freeway standards, or close to it.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #289 on: February 07, 2013, 11:58:37 AM »

My idea:

US 59 stays US 59
US 77 stays US 77
US 281 stays US 281

And, I suppose, they all stay 2- to 4-lane highways, right??
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #290 on: February 07, 2013, 12:29:48 PM »


And, I suppose, they all stay 2- to 4-lane highways, right??

no, they get upgraded as necessary, but not given silly numbers.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #291 on: February 07, 2013, 06:29:21 PM »

My idea ...
US 281 stays US 281
And, I suppose, they all stay 2- to 4-lane highways, right??
no, they get upgraded as necessary, but not given silly numbers.

TxDOT is in the process of conducting an interstate development plan for US 281 (and a small piece of US 59), with a final report anticipated to be completed in late 2013:

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The purpose of this study is to develop a plan to bring US 281 (from US 83 to I-37) and US 59 (from US 281 to I-37) up to Interstate design standards, with the eventual goal of designating and signing these highways as part of the I-69 system .... A draft of the plan will be completed in the summer of 2013 with the final report complete in late 2013.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #292 on: February 07, 2013, 06:54:22 PM »

That is great news that the Southwest freeway outside the loop has been approved. I'm glad to see this highway is moving along. I expect to see signs by May, based on the time between the previous section was approved and when it was signed. Also, when do you think the section of US 59 inside 610 will receive approval?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #293 on: February 07, 2013, 08:16:41 PM »

regarding the redesignation of US 59 as I-69 through Houston, Committee 3 is aiming for AASHTO approval by AASHTO's May 2012 meeting [page 2/30 of pdf]:
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Roger Beall answered that the request to add U.S. 59 through Houston to the interstate system was tentatively scheduled to be sent to FHWA in January. If the request is approved, the Texas Transportation Commission will consider submission of an application to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) Special Committee on Route Numbering to use the I-69 route number. The next AASHTO meeting will occur in May 2012.
when do you think the section of US 59 inside 610 will receive approval?

I'm guessing they are about 1 to 1.5 years behind their above hoped-for schedule.  AASHTO's next meeting is May 3-7, and I suspect TxDOT will submit an application in time for that meeting (mid-March).  I suspect AASHTO would grant approval contingent upon FHWA's approval of the "Inside I-610" segment as satisfactorily complying with current interstate standards.  I would hope FHWA would grant its approval a few months after AASHTO's decision.  Pure speculation by me.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #294 on: February 08, 2013, 09:12:00 AM »

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State officials called the project, estimated to cost $16 billion, important to safety and economic development as goods move northward to the Midwest and Northeast. Of 1,000 miles of the proposed route in Texas, about 70 have been designated by the federal government as interstate quality so far. The goal is to complete half of the freeway in 20 years, using mostly federal and state funds, but with some local contributions possible.

Whoa, 1,000 miles? That must include the spurs in the south, otherwise that'll be the longest one-state segment in the nation. How about a 4-digit exit number?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #295 on: February 08, 2013, 10:36:43 PM »

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State officials called the project, estimated to cost $16 billion, important to safety and economic development as goods move northward to the Midwest and Northeast. Of 1,000 miles of the proposed route in Texas, about 70 have been designated by the federal government as interstate quality so far. The goal is to complete half of the freeway in 20 years, using mostly federal and state funds, but with some local contributions possible.

Whoa, 1,000 miles? That must include the spurs in the south, otherwise that'll be the longest one-state segment in the nation. How about a 4-digit exit number?

The entire length of US 59 in TX is 612 miles, US 77 from Victoria to Brownsville is 231 miles, and US 281 from George West to Pharr is is 151 miles. That all adds up to 994 miles. Not to mention the bypasses that when built will add extra miles. Also, that number also doesn't include US 83, US 84, of TX 44, which will all add up past 1000 miles. I think 1000 miles refers to all the spurs in addition to the main route, which adds up past 1000. There won't be a 4 digit exit number, though.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #296 on: February 10, 2013, 12:24:44 AM »

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State officials called the project, estimated to cost $16 billion, important to safety and economic development as goods move northward to the Midwest and Northeast. Of 1,000 miles of the proposed route in Texas, about 70 have been designated by the federal government as interstate quality so far. The goal is to complete half of the freeway in 20 years, using mostly federal and state funds, but with some local contributions possible.

Whoa, 1,000 miles? That must include the spurs in the south, otherwise that'll be the longest one-state segment in the nation. How about a 4-digit exit number?

The entire length of US 59 in TX is 612 miles, US 77 from Victoria to Brownsville is 231 miles, and US 281 from George West to Pharr is is 151 miles. That all adds up to 994 miles. Not to mention the bypasses that when built will add extra miles. Also, that number also doesn't include US 83, US 84, of TX 44, which will all add up past 1000 miles. I think 1000 miles refers to all the spurs in addition to the main route, which adds up past 1000. There won't be a 4 digit exit number, though.

Crap. I'd love to see a guide sign with a four digit exit number. That would actually be interesting.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #297 on: February 10, 2013, 01:17:04 PM »

You could always make a multi-billion dollar donation to Ontario to build ON 417 all the way to Manitoba. ;)
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #298 on: February 10, 2013, 10:07:28 PM »

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State officials called the project, estimated to cost $16 billion, important to safety and economic development as goods move northward to the Midwest and Northeast. Of 1,000 miles of the proposed route in Texas, about 70 have been designated by the federal government as interstate quality so far. The goal is to complete half of the freeway in 20 years, using mostly federal and state funds, but with some local contributions possible.

Whoa, 1,000 miles? That must include the spurs in the south, otherwise that'll be the longest one-state segment in the nation. How about a 4-digit exit number?

The entire length of US 59 in TX is 612 miles, US 77 from Victoria to Brownsville is 231 miles, and US 281 from George West to Pharr is is 151 miles. That all adds up to 994 miles. Not to mention the bypasses that when built will add extra miles. Also, that number also doesn't include US 83, US 84, of TX 44, which will all add up past 1000 miles. I think 1000 miles refers to all the spurs in addition to the main route, which adds up past 1000. There won't be a 4 digit exit number, though.

Crap. I'd love to see a guide sign with a four digit exit number. That would actually be interesting.

Naaahhh....

Make that donation to TxDOT so that they can repost I-10 with kms.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #299 on: February 13, 2013, 01:14:48 PM »

Crap. I'd love to see a guide sign with a four digit exit number. That would actually be interesting.

Here you go :)


 


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