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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2100 on: April 07, 2019, 10:50:40 AM »

It appears that the PTC is preparing to replace a mainline bridge over a rail line at about MM238, between US 15 and I-83. It's nothing major, but it's something. They did something similar last year just east of I-81 at Carlisle.
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« Reply #2101 on: April 30, 2019, 02:45:32 AM »

Here's some pitchers of a widening project from MM 40 to MM 48 (Pittsburgh area) that will wrap up later this year. The Turnpike Commission better have a blueprint ready for reconstruction and widening through Exit 39, because the Turnpike is about to be six lanes on both sides of the interchange.

Why the FOCK has reconstruction slowed down so much? It was going at a brisk pace for a while, but it's slowed way down in the last year or so.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2102 on: April 30, 2019, 04:13:58 AM »

Here's some bridge replacement projects in western Pennsylvania (with photo galleries):


Near MM 28 (Butler County)

Near MM 60 (Westmoreland County)

Near MM 110 (Somerset County)


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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2103 on: April 30, 2019, 07:14:14 AM »

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Why the FOCK has reconstruction slowed down so much? It was going at a brisk pace for a while, but it's slowed way down in the last year or so.

They are running out of money.  The PTC is behind in their Act 44 payments to PennDOT as well.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2104 on: April 30, 2019, 07:51:34 AM »

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Why the FOCK has reconstruction slowed down so much? It was going at a brisk pace for a while, but it's slowed way down in the last year or so.

They are running out of money.  The PTC is behind in their Act 44 payments to PennDOT as well.

Probably need to look at construction schedules and such.  Are you referring to one project's timing, or all construction in general?
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2105 on: April 30, 2019, 12:30:40 PM »

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Why the FOCK has reconstruction slowed down so much? It was going at a brisk pace for a while, but it's slowed way down in the last year or so.

They are running out of money.  The PTC is behind in their Act 44 payments to PennDOT as well.

Some of the news stories that I read (which generally focused on the missed Act 44/89 payments) suggested that the PTC is not in any worse position financially but just hoarding cash—because of the cloud of uncertainty surrounding the outcome of the ATA/OOIDA class action lawsuits. The truckers’ suit was dismissed in early April but is currently being appealed. Assuming the appeal is also tossed out in the next month or so, I’d think the money would start flowing again shortly thereafter.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2106 on: May 04, 2019, 08:39:55 AM »

Act 44 should be repealed with extreme prejudice.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2107 on: May 04, 2019, 09:29:06 AM »

Is the Freedom Road Bridge project under way?
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2108 on: May 05, 2019, 05:42:12 PM »

Act 44 should be repealed with extreme prejudice.

Yeah, but then PennDOT has to pick up the slack on the mass transit from its own funds, and that takes away from other projects they could/should be focusing on. They're finally starting to get to many of the major highway projects (I-81 widening notwithstanding) and bridge repairs that had been postponed indefinitely, and effectively diverting more of their funds to deal with mass transit that the big cities themselves should be promoting and paying for, will screw them. Plus, they already got the state police (unconstitutionally) siphoning off $200 million annually from the highway fund.

That said, the PTC is not in the best financial position. Short of a major federal highway bill (and gas tax increase?), which will not happen in the current political environment, there's no easy answer to this mess.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2109 on: May 06, 2019, 03:37:29 PM »

Is the Freedom Road Bridge project under way?

According to the website (who knows when that was last updated), the design phase started in 2014 - so in a sense, it is.

And while they're website isn't well maintained with new information, it seems like they're doing utility relocation work so actual construction is under way (expected to be completed in Dec 2020

http://butlerradio.com/work-begins-next-week-to-prepare-for-freedom-road-bridge-project/

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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2110 on: May 07, 2019, 01:44:18 PM »

Is the Freedom Road Bridge project under way?

Yes, that's the bridge replacement project near MM 28.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2111 on: May 27, 2019, 04:06:46 PM »

This is a fairly specific question dealing with signing on the eastbound approach to the Breezewood interchange.

There are a couple of "Truck Alert" signs with the following messages, apparently the first two in a sequence of three or more:

Truck Alert - Avoid US 30 East Breezewood To McConnellsburg . . .

Truck Alert - . . . 3 1/2 Mile Hill On US 30 East Bad Curves . . .

The use of a trailing ellipsis on the second sign suggests that a third was posted at some point, possibly specifying difficult grades in addition to the "bad curves," but I cannot find it in StreetView.  Does anyone know if it existed and, if so, what it said?
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2112 on: May 27, 2019, 04:32:43 PM »

This is a fairly specific question dealing with signing on the eastbound approach to the Breezewood interchange.

There are a couple of "Truck Alert" signs with the following messages, apparently the first two in a sequence of three or more:

Truck Alert - Avoid US 30 East Breezewood To McConnellsburg . . .

Truck Alert - . . . 3 1/2 Mile Hill On US 30 East Bad Curves . . .

The use of a trailing ellipsis on the second sign suggests that a third was posted at some point, possibly specifying difficult grades in addition to the "bad curves," but I cannot find it in StreetView.  Does anyone know if it existed and, if so, what it said?

Were they on normal VMS signage? It could be the message was flipping back and forth, with the "..." just referring back to the other message. If you're looking at GSV, you just happened to see the message that GSV captured.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2113 on: May 27, 2019, 07:29:41 PM »

This is a fairly specific question dealing with signing on the eastbound approach to the Breezewood interchange.

There are a couple of "Truck Alert" signs with the following messages, apparently the first two in a sequence of three or more:

Truck Alert - Avoid US 30 East Breezewood To McConnellsburg . . .

Truck Alert - . . . 3 1/2 Mile Hill On US 30 East Bad Curves . . .

The use of a trailing ellipsis on the second sign suggests that a third was posted at some point, possibly specifying difficult grades in addition to the "bad curves," but I cannot find it in StreetView.  Does anyone know if it existed and, if so, what it said?

Yes, there was a third...it said something along the lines of "Use Exit 180 Fort Littleton to US 522 South" - I don't remember the exact words.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2114 on: May 27, 2019, 07:59:27 PM »

This is a fairly specific question dealing with signing on the eastbound approach to the Breezewood interchange.

There are a couple of "Truck Alert" signs with the following messages, apparently the first two in a sequence of three or more:

Truck Alert - Avoid US 30 East Breezewood To McConnellsburg . . .

Truck Alert - . . . 3 1/2 Mile Hill On US 30 East Bad Curves . . .

The use of a trailing ellipsis on the second sign suggests that a third was posted at some point, possibly specifying difficult grades in addition to the "bad curves," but I cannot find it in StreetView.  Does anyone know if it existed and, if so, what it said?

IIRC those signs were recently replaced.  Think the whole message is now on one sign
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2115 on: May 27, 2019, 08:38:42 PM »

Many thanks for these answers.  The guess as to the legend on the third sign is close enough to allow me to go ahead and make a mockup.

From travel along the Turnpike in the mid- to late nineties, I seem to recall a version with just one panel and legend along the lines of "Truck Alert - Bad Hill - [US 30] to McConnellsburg," but if this existed, it is long gone.  (I was not taking pictures of signs at the time or systematically recording unusual legends.)
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2116 on: June 18, 2019, 01:08:41 PM »

Also, I noticed the PTC is installing a new system for two-way operations at the Tuscarora Tunnel.  Starting about a mile before the tunnel, they have installed concrete barrier on the left side with automated swinging barriers.  They are orange semi-circle barriers with black-on-orange chevron symbols.  I'm guessing the purpose is to keep traffic from being in the lane that will handle oncoming traffic inside the tunnel.

Just noticed this in action on one of the webcams.  Kind of neat they can automatically close a lane.


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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2118 on: July 10, 2019, 10:00:01 AM »

The article doesn't indicate if the Turnpike plans to install overhead gantries on the westbound side and have the toll be 2-way again, or if they plan on keeping it the doubled toll 1-way, eastbound, indefinitely. 
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2119 on: July 10, 2019, 10:22:18 AM »

The article doesn't indicate if the Turnpike plans to install overhead gantries on the westbound side and have the toll be 2-way again, or if they plan on keeping it the doubled toll 1-way, eastbound, indefinitely.
Given that this AET conversion along the PA Turnpike is incremental (aka piece-meal) vs. the instantaneous AET conversions that took place along the entire Mass Pike (I-90) as well as the three Boston Harbor crossings just over 3 years ago; I wouldn't expect to hear any talk of returning of any 2-way conversions, where applicable, until the entire PA Turnpike is AET.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2120 on: July 10, 2019, 11:11:37 AM »

The article doesn't indicate if the Turnpike plans to install overhead gantries on the westbound side and have the toll be 2-way again, or if they plan on keeping it the doubled toll 1-way, eastbound, indefinitely. 


It makes sense to continue the 1 way tolling.  Tolling both directions involve increased costs for equipment, transactions, billings, mailings, 2nd mailings, etc. 

Unless there's a huge difference in traffic numbers from people avoiding the 1 way toll, continue with the status quo. 
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2121 on: July 10, 2019, 11:51:34 AM »

The article doesn't indicate if the Turnpike plans to install overhead gantries on the westbound side and have the toll be 2-way again, or if they plan on keeping it the doubled toll 1-way, eastbound, indefinitely. 


It makes sense to continue the 1 way tolling.  Tolling both directions involve increased costs for equipment, transactions, billings, mailings, 2nd mailings, etc. 

Unless there's a huge difference in traffic numbers from people avoiding the 1 way toll, continue with the status quo. 

I have to imagine the $5.50 E-ZPass toll drives some people off the Turnpike. Personally, I'd like to see AET bring 2-way tolling along the entire section from the OH state line to Warrendale. The toll-free zone came about from the difficulty in having a toll plaza at the reconstructed Cranberry interchange. With AET, toll plazas are no longer a concern.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2122 on: July 10, 2019, 01:00:22 PM »

Might as well keep it one-way EB given that Ohio has plans to truncate their ticket system and put in a one-way WB toll at the state line.  There's certainly room to put in a couple gantries between I-376 and I-79, though.
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Re: PA Turnpike News
« Reply #2123 on: July 10, 2019, 06:31:59 PM »

The Tribune-Review article on the conversion just mentions eastbound being converted but nothing about tolls returning for westbound traffic.
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« Reply #2124 on: July 10, 2019, 08:53:29 PM »

The article doesn't indicate if the Turnpike plans to install overhead gantries on the westbound side and have the toll be 2-way again, or if they plan on keeping it the doubled toll 1-way, eastbound, indefinitely. 


It makes sense to continue the 1 way tolling.  Tolling both directions involve increased costs for equipment, transactions, billings, mailings, 2nd mailings, etc. 

Unless there's a huge difference in traffic numbers from people avoiding the 1 way toll, continue with the status quo. 

I have to imagine the $5.50 E-ZPass toll drives some people off the Turnpike. Personally, I'd like to see AET bring 2-way tolling along the entire section from the OH state line to Warrendale. The toll-free zone came about from the difficulty in having a toll plaza at the reconstructed Cranberry interchange. With AET, toll plazas are no longer a concern.

But there are other issues to deal with.

On the eastern end, they built a 1 way AET toll approximately where there was formally a 2 way toll plaza. Clearly they weren't worried about people avoiding the toll, and the issues with 2 way AET tolling were significant enough to simply go one way only.
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