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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2011, 10:00:27 PM »

I do think I-17 and I-19 should be merged into one longer Interstate, though. I'd personally go with I-19.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2011, 11:01:42 PM »

I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2011, 02:26:24 AM »

And besides, I-11 is already suffering from "I-73-itis", being further east in the grid than it should be; but at least it will meet I-15 in Vegas.
I always wondered why I-17 got the I-17 designation, why not I-19?  To leave a number open between Phoenix and Los Angeles, for a North and South Interstate.   It's almost as if they never planned for any Interstate between I-15 and I-17.
It looks like an obvious oversight now, but remember how undeveloped the desert southwest was back when the Interstate system was being planned and numbered.  From the 1950 census, the population of Phoenix was 107,000 and Las Vegas was only 25,000.  It would be hard to imagine those cities growing by 1300% and 2000% in the space of 50 years!

You do make a good point.  just like the idea of an Interstate along the Colorado River seems really un needed , but in 25 years from now, pressuming we don't run out of water, that idea might even be needed.

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I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)

I dought Los Angeles would like that idea, and then what would you number the existing 10?  To Los Angeles
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2011, 03:47:49 AM »

I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)

I dought Los Angeles would like that idea, and then what would you number the existing 10?  To Los Angeles
Could bring I-40 farther southwest, or even do a long concurrency with I-10 and I-20.

But we're getting off-topic, I think.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2012, 01:45:41 PM »

so why not make 17 & 19 both 19, and then 17 is free to use?
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2012, 03:05:16 AM »

Then you have a long multiplex with I-10 unless you build a seperate freeway. 
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2012, 10:07:12 AM »

If and when AZ 85 is ever upgraded to interstate standards, have 10 turn south at the 10/85 interchange west of Phoenix to Gila Bend and then supplant 8 going est back to the original alignment.  Have 19 continue north of Tucson all the way to Flagstaff, there would be a mutiplex from Tucson to where 10 would go west to Gila Bend, but it think that is acceptable, have the balance of existing 10 from AZ 85 east through Downtown be an x10.

I understand that AZ 85 has been under contruction for many years to became an eventual I-810 to be a full freeway bypass of Phoenix
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2012, 10:46:43 AM »


I understand that AZ 85 has been under contruction for many years to became an eventual I-810 to be a full freeway bypass of Phoenix

that is correct.  the only thing separating it from full freeway are one traffic light at the north end (kind of a scary high-speed one too, especially if one thinks the whole thing is freeway!) and then at the south end there's about three miles of two-lane, and then you're actually shunted onto the business loop through Gila Bend, as opposed to a direct on-ramp to 8 west from 85, so that's another 3 or 4 miles of not being limited access.

overall, not a bad road at all.  I have a friend who lives in Tempe and he takes AZ-347 to get to I-8 and San Diego, but I severely recommend AZ-85, as AZ-347 is traffic light hell.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2012, 10:47:51 AM »

And besides, I-11 is already suffering from "I-73-itis", being further east in the grid than it should be; but at least it will meet I-15 in Vegas.
I always wondered why I-17 got the I-17 designation, why not I-19?  To leave a number open between Phoenix and Los Angeles, for a North and South Interstate.   It's almost as if they never planned for any Interstate between I-15 and I-17.
It looks like an obvious oversight now, but remember how undeveloped the desert southwest was back when the Interstate system was being planned and numbered.  From the 1950 census, the population of Phoenix was 107,000 and Las Vegas was only 25,000.  It would be hard to imagine those cities growing by 1300% and 2000% in the space of 50 years!

You do make a good point.  just like the idea of an Interstate along the Colorado River seems really un needed , but in 25 years from now, pressuming we don't run out of water, that idea might even be needed.

Quote correctly. I have no clue which of the quotes this goes with, and I don't care.

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I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)

I dought Los Angeles would like that idea, and then what would you number the existing 10?  To Los Angeles

I'm sure LA will be outraged that I-10 runs to San Diego instead of LA :P   
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2012, 11:21:25 AM »


I understand that AZ 85 has been under contruction for many years to became an eventual I-810 to be a full freeway bypass of Phoenix

that is correct.  the only thing separating it from full freeway are one traffic light at the north end (kind of a scary high-speed one too, especially if one thinks the whole thing is freeway!) and then at the south end there's about three miles of two-lane, and then you're actually shunted onto the business loop through Gila Bend, as opposed to a direct on-ramp to 8 west from 85, so that's another 3 or 4 miles of not being limited access.

overall, not a bad road at all.  I have a friend who lives in Tempe and he takes AZ-347 to get to I-8 and San Diego, but I severely recommend AZ-85, as AZ-347 is traffic light hell.

From what I have seen of AZDOT's plans, there will be a rerouting of AZ 85 to a new roadway just north of Gila Bend, leading to a new directional interchange with I-8 just east of that town.

And, HELL TO THE NO..Keep I-8 and I-10 exactly where they are, and reclassify AZ 85 as an I-x10 connector. Or, if you are feeling freaky, extend it northwards towards US 93 and make it the beginning of I-11/I-13 to Vegas.


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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 12:51:23 AM »

And besides, I-11 is already suffering from "I-73-itis", being further east in the grid than it should be; but at least it will meet I-15 in Vegas.
I always wondered why I-17 got the I-17 designation, why not I-19?  To leave a number open between Phoenix and Los Angeles, for a North and South Interstate.   It's almost as if they never planned for any Interstate between I-15 and I-17.
It looks like an obvious oversight now, but remember how undeveloped the desert southwest was back when the Interstate system was being planned and numbered.  From the 1950 census, the population of Phoenix was 107,000 and Las Vegas was only 25,000.  It would be hard to imagine those cities growing by 1300% and 2000% in the space of 50 years!

You do make a good point.  just like the idea of an Interstate along the Colorado River seems really un needed , but in 25 years from now, pressuming we don't run out of water, that idea might even be needed.

Quote correctly. I have no clue which of the quotes this goes with, and I don't care.

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I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)

I dought Los Angeles would like that idea, and then what would you number the existing 10?  To Los Angeles

I'm sure LA will be outraged that I-10 runs to San Diego instead of LA :P   

I would imagine so.  Also then what would you number the Interstate between Phoenix and Los Angeles?  Also I live near I-10 in the Palm Springs area, so it would mean a new number. 
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2012, 12:53:07 AM »


I understand that AZ 85 has been under contruction for many years to became an eventual I-810 to be a full freeway bypass of Phoenix

that is correct.  the only thing separating it from full freeway are one traffic light at the north end (kind of a scary high-speed one too, especially if one thinks the whole thing is freeway!) and then at the south end there's about three miles of two-lane, and then you're actually shunted onto the business loop through Gila Bend, as opposed to a direct on-ramp to 8 west from 85, so that's another 3 or 4 miles of not being limited access.

overall, not a bad road at all.  I have a friend who lives in Tempe and he takes AZ-347 to get to I-8 and San Diego, but I severely recommend AZ-85, as AZ-347 is traffic light hell.

From what I have seen of AZDOT's plans, there will be a rerouting of AZ 85 to a new roadway just north of Gila Bend, leading to a new directional interchange with I-8 just east of that town.

And, HELL TO THE NO..Keep I-8 and I-10 exactly where they are, and reclassify AZ 85 as an I-x10 connector. Or, if you are feeling freaky, extend it northwards towards US 93 and make it the beginning of I-11/I-13 to Vegas.


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I like keeping I-8 and I-10 where they are.  Personally I always thought extending I-17 along AZ 85 to I-8 would be a good idea.  Just personal opinion.  Either that or have the I-11 extended south, as we all know I-13 will never get built as Las Vegas would never want the number 13 going into Las Vegas
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 04:13:28 PM »

Then you have a long multiplex with I-10 unless you build a seperate freeway. 

About as long I-39/90 in Illinois and Wisconsin.  Still far shorter than I-80/90 in Indiana and Ohio.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2012, 03:42:38 PM »

And besides, I-11 is already suffering from "I-73-itis", being further east in the grid than it should be; but at least it will meet I-15 in Vegas.
I always wondered why I-17 got the I-17 designation, why not I-19?  To leave a number open between Phoenix and Los Angeles, for a North and South Interstate.   It's almost as if they never planned for any Interstate between I-15 and I-17.
It looks like an obvious oversight now, but remember how undeveloped the desert southwest was back when the Interstate system was being planned and numbered.  From the 1950 census, the population of Phoenix was 107,000 and Las Vegas was only 25,000.  It would be hard to imagine those cities growing by 1300% and 2000% in the space of 50 years!

You do make a good point.  just like the idea of an Interstate along the Colorado River seems really un needed , but in 25 years from now, pressuming we don't run out of water, that idea might even be needed.

Quote correctly. I have no clue which of the quotes this goes with, and I don't care.

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I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)

I dought Los Angeles would like that idea, and then what would you number the existing 10?  To Los Angeles

I'm sure LA will be outraged that I-10 runs to San Diego instead of LA :P   

I would imagine so.  Also then what would you number the Interstate between Phoenix and Los Angeles?  Also I live near I-10 in the Palm Springs area, so it would mean a new number. 

A western I-12 ha ha!!!
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2012, 03:21:39 AM »

Keep I-8 & I-10 where they are. Renumbering I-10 to LA makes no sense, especially changing it to I-40...since CA 58 will probably extend I-40 to Bakersfield eventually.

But yeah, renumber I-17 to I-19 & make the connection between Phoenix & Vegas I-19.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2012, 10:12:45 PM »


But yeah, renumber I-17 to I-19 & make the connection between Phoenix & Vegas I-19.
Surely you mean I-17 (and no, I won't call you Shirley).
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 05:04:40 PM »

Interstae 11 would actually act as an alternate to Interstate 5 in California.
It's supposed to be a major trade route partially from a Possible to be built port in Mexico.
this article indicates that the Mexican port that I-11 is supposed to connect to is Punta Colonet:
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/highway-project-102517649.html
this article indicates that Punta Colonet is intended to compete with Long Beach:
http://www.dredgingtoday.com/2010/12/02/mexico-plan-for-mega-port-at-punta-colonet-moves-ahead/
Here's a link to a map that shows the locations of Punta Colonet (a little northwest of Camalu on the Mexican Pacific coast), Long Beach, Las Vegas, and Phoenix:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=punta+colonet+mexico&aq=&sll=33.782001,-84.415512&sspn=0.381235,0.614548&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Punta+Colonet&ll=33.495598,-115.059814&spn=6.346971,9.832764&z=7
That makes sense that it's going to compete with Long Beach.

This March 26 TV video report mentions the construction of the Punta Colonet port as a compelling reason to build Interstate 11 because freight traffic coming from Punta Colonet could help Nevada become a freight hub:

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... that's just for planning a new interstate, let alone building it. But what gives extra urgency to Interstate 11 is freight that's getting clogged in California's ports.
"They're talking about ports in Mexico being expanded in the years ahead. Those goods, we'd rather not see them go up the congested corridor of Interstate 5 along California's border or coast. We'd rather see them come up inland, through an area that would be available to carry all this traffic and all this freight. A lot of jobs, a lot of warehousing, a lot of construction jobs to build this type of system," said NDOT Deputy Director Rudy Mafalbon.
The proposed super-port of Punta Colonet in Baja California, Mexico could have a direct line north to Las Vegas, if an interstate was built through western Arizona ....
Federal numbers show that building a mile of freeway through rural areas costs around $8 million, which would make Interstate 11 cost more than $2 billion.

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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2012, 01:58:44 AM »

Interstae 11 would actually act as an alternate to Interstate 5 in California.
It's supposed to be a major trade route partially from a Possible to be built port in Mexico.
this article indicates that the Mexican port that I-11 is supposed to connect to is Punta Colonet:
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/highway-project-102517649.html
this article indicates that Punta Colonet is intended to compete with Long Beach:
http://www.dredgingtoday.com/2010/12/02/mexico-plan-for-mega-port-at-punta-colonet-moves-ahead/
Here's a link to a map that shows the locations of Punta Colonet (a little northwest of Camalu on the Mexican Pacific coast), Long Beach, Las Vegas, and Phoenix:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=punta+colonet+mexico&aq=&sll=33.782001,-84.415512&sspn=0.381235,0.614548&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Punta+Colonet&ll=33.495598,-115.059814&spn=6.346971,9.832764&z=7
That makes sense that it's going to compete with Long Beach.

This March 26 TV video report mentions the construction of the Punta Colonet port as a compelling reason to build Interstate 11 because freight traffic coming from Punta Colonet could help Nevada become a freight hub:

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... that's just for planning a new interstate, let alone building it. But what gives extra urgency to Interstate 11 is freight that's getting clogged in California's ports.
"They're talking about ports in Mexico being expanded in the years ahead. Those goods, we'd rather not see them go up the congested corridor of Interstate 5 along California's border or coast. We'd rather see them come up inland, through an area that would be available to carry all this traffic and all this freight. A lot of jobs, a lot of warehousing, a lot of construction jobs to build this type of system," said NDOT Deputy Director Rudy Mafalbon.
The proposed super-port of Punta Colonet in Baja California, Mexico could have a direct line north to Las Vegas, if an interstate was built through western Arizona ....
Federal numbers show that building a mile of freeway through rural areas costs around $8 million, which would make Interstate 11 cost more than $2 billion.



So basically I=11 would be an alternate to I-5?  I always thought the Phoenix Las Vegas portion should be built if the traffic volumes warrant it, but I really wonder if past Las Vegas it would be needed given how little is between Las Vegas and Reno. 
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2012, 03:46:18 AM »

^ The last time I looked at some AADT numbers for US 95 between Vegas and the Reno area, it was somewhere on the order of 5000vpd or less. Not really enough to justify Interstate, and why much of the route is still a two-lane road.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2012, 11:08:34 AM »

^ The last time I looked at some AADT numbers for US 95 between Vegas and the Reno area, it was somewhere on the order of 5000vpd or less. Not really enough to justify Interstate, and why much of the route is still a two-lane road.

indeed, it is wide open.  I never have any trouble averaging 75-77mph on that road.  Cruise control on about 83 except for a very strict adherence to 25 in the small towns... and the sight lines are good enough that I can generally plan out my suicide passes without taking off cruise control, using only the accelerator, to about 100-105mph, to time things correctly.

the only modification I'd make to US-95 is to bypass Fallon, or at least instruct the cops to quit following people from one end of town to the other with an eye on the radar gun.  that's just harassment: I know how to go 23mph through your shitty town.

the highway patrol seems to set their tolerance to 85mph (as in, I've gone 83-84 past a cop coming the opposite direction many, many times) - it's the small towns that are revenue-seeking assholes.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2012, 11:57:13 AM »

I-17 & I-19 should be one freeway, and I-10 should run to San Diego straight across.  :)
I remember reading on Wikipedia a few years back that someone suggested combining I-17 and I-19 into one, but then, it would be renumbered to I-21. Nothing was ever said about I-10.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2012, 03:13:32 AM »

I agree with the idea to extend I-11 up to Reno.  Then you have an interstate connecting the 2 main population centers in NV.  Besides, Reno is a large enough area to warrant a second interstate coming in.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2012, 05:23:03 PM »

Wouldn't I-13 fit the grid better?  The north-south interstates, starting with I-5, would be:

  • I-5 existing
  • I-7 (future upgrade of US-97, from Weed through Bend to Wenatchee)
  • I-9 (future upgrade of CA-99 from Grapevine through Sacramento to Red Bluff)
  • I-11 (future upgrade of CA-14 to US-395 to Reno)
  • I-13 (future upgrade of US-93, Phoenix to Las Vegas, possibly north to Twin Falls)

I-15 south of Las Vegas would still be too far west, but at least the rest of them would fit.
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Re: Interstate 11
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2012, 10:24:16 PM »

The number 13 + Las Vegas = ?
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