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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #375 on: June 17, 2016, 07:42:44 AM »

Regarding extending the Foley Beach Express to AL 182, it would have to go right through a state park.  The article writers seem unconcerned with this, but you start getting into Section 104(f) impacts with doing such for roadway projects.
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #376 on: October 14, 2016, 05:29:42 PM »

Driving back from Mobile to Pensacola on Wednesday night, I noticed that this sign was replaced with two new "Congestion Ahead When Flashing" signs and beacons. This is in addition to the one posted further east.



Also the left-hand lane drop just prior to the tunnel entrance was moved further back, probably in a band-aid effort to offset the now regular back ups eastbound.

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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #377 on: November 04, 2016, 11:28:54 PM »

Why amusement park's 'field of dreams' is creating congestion worries for coastal Alabama

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The OWA development is the first major construction project along the Foley Beach Express since the companion Baldwin Beach Express opened in 2014. Both express roads merge into one another and offer an alternative route for visitors to Alabama's beaches than the often packed Alabama 59.

County officials have pushed to keep the new $86.7 million Baldwin Beach Express road as an easy-flowing expressway to and from Interstate 10. They want it free from any inundation of traffic lights, curb cuts and cluttered commercial activity.

The amusement park, which will feature 20 rides and a giant roller coaster, will be constructed almost adjacent to the Foley Beach Express, which is inside Foley's city limits. The park is expected to be open by Memorial Day weekend.

"Of course there are traffic concerns," Elliott said. "We'll continue working with Foley and make sure we keep a limited access expressway so that it doesn't turn into another Highway 59."

The new development is west of the Foley Beach Express and north of County Road 20 (Miflin Road).

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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #378 on: September 11, 2017, 07:24:16 AM »

ALDOT has a placeholder page for project information regarding a DDI at I-10 and AL 181. http://rp.dot.state.al.us/I10_SR181/
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #379 on: November 23, 2018, 12:10:30 AM »

Regarding the Foley Beach Express toll bridge, I believe it was built by Fob James' son that ran for governor.  I'd like to find out if it's possible to make that bridge public and remove the toll.  I guess the gov't wants to weed out the private bridge. 

I really don't think tolls belong on a bridge that has been around for more than five years.  A toll should exist to pay for another road project getting built.  Then move it to another road.  Instead it always has to be either or.  Either its completely private and tolled forever or tolled forever by public bureaucrats just taking advantage of the public (ala NY/NJ).  The main problem with road projects getting off the ground is the general lack of private/public partnership.  Far more could get done.  And faster.
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #380 on: November 23, 2018, 12:14:05 AM »

ALDOT has finally started working on the long sidelined US 98 extension project in Mobile County.  It looks like they're only paving two of the four lanes. 
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #381 on: November 23, 2018, 09:16:43 AM »

^^ The reason for tolls being on a bridge for more than 5 years is because it takes far longer than that for the tolls to actually pay off the design, construction, and maintenance of that bridge.  To try and get it paid off in only 5 years would require a toll so high that few would actually use it.
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #382 on: November 26, 2018, 09:52:17 PM »

I'd like to find out if it's possible to make that bridge public and remove the toll.  ...
I really don't think tolls belong on a bridge that has been around for more than five years.  A toll should exist to pay for another road project getting built.  Then move it to another road.

The Foley Beach Express Toll Bridge is privately-owned. The company which owned it went bankrupt. It's now owned by a Bermuda-based guarantee company. Even if ALDOT wanted to buy it, I can't imagine why the guarantee company would sell it and pass-up on an on-going revenue stream.

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/transportation/when-good-toll-roads-go-bad/article_cfb056e1-87af-561a-934a-a67b900d9962.html
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #383 on: December 13, 2018, 08:45:33 PM »

I'd like to find out if it's possible to make that bridge public and remove the toll.  ...
I really don't think tolls belong on a bridge that has been around for more than five years.  A toll should exist to pay for another road project getting built.  Then move it to another road.

The Foley Beach Express Toll Bridge is privately-owned. The company which owned it went bankrupt. It's now owned by a Bermuda-based guarantee company. Even if ALDOT wanted to buy it, I can't imagine why the guarantee company would sell it and pass-up on an on-going revenue stream.

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/transportation/when-good-toll-roads-go-bad/article_cfb056e1-87af-561a-934a-a67b900d9962.html

Well, according to what you and Froggie have said, it sounds like there isn't much of a on-going revenue stream.  Sounds like a badly run business.  Maybe people need to begin to reinvent how to toll.  For a private bridge, is there something financially dragging down the revenues that isn't known to the public?  Is it actually fully private and subject to the forces of the market?  Because that would normally force a failing business to make changes instead of continuing with something that just isn't working.  I think society needs to rethink the way they handle these matters. 
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Re: Mobile-Baldwin
« Reply #384 on: December 13, 2018, 10:10:21 PM »

I'd like to find out if it's possible to make that bridge public and remove the toll.  ...
I really don't think tolls belong on a bridge that has been around for more than five years.  A toll should exist to pay for another road project getting built.  Then move it to another road.

The Foley Beach Express Toll Bridge is privately-owned. The company which owned it went bankrupt. It's now owned by a Bermuda-based guarantee company. Even if ALDOT wanted to buy it, I can't imagine why the guarantee company would sell it and pass-up on an on-going revenue stream.

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/transportation/when-good-toll-roads-go-bad/article_cfb056e1-87af-561a-934a-a67b900d9962.html

Well, according to what you and Froggie have said, it sounds like there isn't much of a on-going revenue stream.  Sounds like a badly run business.  Maybe people need to begin to reinvent how to toll.  For a private bridge, is there something financially dragging down the revenues that isn't known to the public?  Is it actually fully private and subject to the forces of the market?  Because that would normally force a failing business to make changes instead of continuing with something that just isn't working.  I think society needs to rethink the way they handle these matters. 

County Road 4 (IIRC...labeled as Cotton Creek Rd, then Brown Ln on Google maps) runs from AL 59 to the Foley Beach Expwy. This is how you shunpike the toll bridge.
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