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[SP Cook]

I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.

It is marked, but its very hard to see.  There is a small sign that looks like a typical mile post sign, mounted on the roof of the tunnel over the emergency walkway that reads:

W.Va.
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Va.
St.
Ln.

[The High Plains Traveler]

With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed.  Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it.

holy crap kansas city

You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?

[cpzilliacus]

Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.

Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard.  By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH.  The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money.  I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one. 

Rather like the Virginia end of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge.  It is over Virginia territory, but contractors working for Maryland SHA built that part of the bridge to SHA standards.  As with Kentucky and Corridor G, the only involvement that VDOT had was to deal with right-of-way purchases.

[agentsteel53]

Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard.  By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH.  The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money.  I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.

I would assume so, since the land is still Kentucky jurisdiction. 

[Duke87]

There's no notation of the state line inside the Cumberland Gap Tunnel (US 25E) between Tennessee and Kentucky.

I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.

Inside the tunnel, no. Wouldn't be space for that. There are, however, in both cases welcome signs for both states past the tunnel exit, so it doesn't count as unmarked.


I did encounter a legit unmarked crossing this weekend, though: US 6 at the OH/PA line does not have a welcome sign for either state. All it has is an intersection with State Line Road and a DO 6 mile marker 0.

[Alps]

GW Bridge into NYC as I recall.

Signed. Lower level has cool circular signs as well:

[J N Winkler]

You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?

I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line.  In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.

BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river.  The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.

[The High Plains Traveler]

You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?

I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line.  In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.

BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river.  The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.

That state boundary (TX-NM) is based on the path of the Rio Grande in the mid-1800s. Since the channel has shifted many times since, the river and state line seldom concur. That results in the unmarked state line crossings in the valley north of El Paso, such as the small piece of NM-28 in Texas.

[ethanhopkin14]

You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?

I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line.  In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.

BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river.  The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.

Yes, I do know this. I am aware of the rechanneling of the Rio Grande and the fight between Ciudad Juarez and El Paso about land that was "created" due to rechanneling, and the creation of the Chamizal Monument. That being said, at the point at Monument #2 where the US/Mexico border comes off the Rio Grande and beards due west, north of there is the only place New Mexico has a natural border. For about a half a mile the state line between Texas and New Mexico DOES in fact follow the Rio Grande until the state line wanders off to the west. At that small section that the state line is in the Rio Grande is where Mew Mexico State Highway 273 crosses the Rio Grande into Texas. Yes, I have eaten manny times at The State Line Bar B Que on Sunland Park Rd. in which the building straddles the state line, and I wasn't looking for the river under the foundation.

[hbelkins]

Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.

Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard.  By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH.  The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money.  I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.

And it's interesting that the speed limit is 55, not 65, in those short Kentucky segments.

The District 12 sign crew has stuck up a few signs, mostly for KY 292, on the Kentucky portions of that route. Or they had the last time I was up there; it's been a couple of years.

[Brandon]

You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?

I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line.  In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.

I believe Google Maps is slightly off.  State Line Avenue/Road is the state line between Illinois and Indiana.  If you look at the Google Streetview of State Line Avenue and River Oaks Drive, you see both Indiana and Illinois styles of signals at the same intersection: https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.595218,-87.524053&spn=0.004293,0.010568&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.59563,-87.525256&panoid=i7SHz3lCrEps0MQksBdZSg&cbp=12,188.52,,0,2.38

[thefro]

Not quite but from KY into IN there is no "Welcome to Indiana" sign per se.  It's more like "The Indiana Highway Patrol reminds you:  No littering, no speeding, no drinking and driving, etc...."

I'm not in favor of any of those things, mind you, but it would be nice to get a "Welcome To Indiana" along with the house rules.

Which bridge are you talking about at the IN/KY border?  I know the I-65, I-64 (although this is harder to see because it's on the underside of the bridge, IIRC), I-275, US 31 and US 421 bridges  all have "Welcome to Indiana" signs.  US 41 in Evansville is also marked with a "Welcome to Indiana" sign, although that's past the bridge due to the quirk of the KY border being the North bank of the Ohio river when KY became a state as opposed to the actual course of the river now.

[kphoger]

the movie Fools Rush In

Oh, good, I was worried I might lose my man card for admitting I like that movie.   

[KEVIN_224]

The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:

http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme

This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:

http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU

However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:

http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW 

[PurdueBill]

The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:

http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme

This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:

http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU

However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:

http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW 

In the same general area but further west on the line is another neighborhood where even a cul-de-sac is in Delaware with access only from PA:  http://goo.gl/maps/8eKQ4  In that area, they have painted "DEL." on one side of the line and sometimes "PA" on the other, and the pavement changes. 

[KEVIN_224]

Neato! I see one of those nice-looking homes is mostly in DE, but its driveway is in PA. Wonder which state serves them for taxes, sewer, etc.?

[briantroutman]

In the same general area but further west on the line is another neighborhood where even a cul-de-sac is in Delaware with access only from PA:

It's nearly the same case with a former art professor and friend of mine. (http://bit.ly/15Q7R6p) His home is on Delaware soil, he has a Wilmington mailing address, Delaware plates on his cars, a Delaware driver's license, a 302 phone number... But he can only get to his house from Pennsylvania.

[cpzilliacus]

Neato! I see one of those nice-looking homes is mostly in DE, but its driveway is in PA. Wonder which state serves them for taxes, sewer, etc.?

There are three streets that run along the border between the District of Columbia and Maryland.  Starting in the "far" Northwest quadrant they are Western Avenue, then Eastern Avenue and finally Southern Avenue.   They are not continuous, and in the case of Eastern Avenue and Southern Avenue they are not continuous either, but the official boundary is at the curb line on the Maryland side of the street (the entire street is D.C. jurisdiction).  So if you live on the Maryland side of any of these streets, unless you are on a corner lot (or in some apartment complexes that have access from other streets), you have to drive through D.C. to get home, but you pay no taxes to municipal government of the District of Columbia.

Services are provided by the Maryland jurisdiction you reside in, but the street is maintained by D.C.  Power is provided by the Potomac Electric Power Company (PEPCO) to residents on both sides of all three streets (PEPCO serves all of D.C. and some (but not all) of the D.C. suburbs in  Maryland.  Water service depends on what side of the street, but all of the sewers drain to D.C. (since the Maryland suburbs pay D.C. generously for sanitary sewer service - much of the Maryland suburbs - including areas far outside the Capital Beltway, not just along the D.C. border - has sewer pipes that connect to the  D.C. sewer system). All fire hydrants are D.C. hydrants along these streets.

Parts of Eastern Avenue and Southern Avenue have been popular over the years with drug dealers and prostitutes who all know exactly where that line runs for obvious reasons.

[Road Hog]

The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:

http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme

This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:

http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU

However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:

http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW 

Go farther south down West Ridge Road and you'll see Delaware state signs posted on either side. Not sure if they're actually on the line or not. Did not see any Pennsylvania signs looking the other way either.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.814651,-75.440929&spn=0.001568,0.003779&t=m&layer=c&cbll=39.814585,-75.441019&panoid=SvkXGIH6sNWSjQHV66O-jA&cbp=12,243.98,,1,5.26&z=19

[KEVIN_224]

Going by the color change in the pavement and the dashed line on the normal map, those signs lie just south of the state line itself. Thank you for catching that for me!

[Sonic99]

On US160 near the Four Corners, the only state marking is on EB 160 when crossing into Colorado, even though the highway runs in New Mexico for a short distance after leaving Arizona. I didn't think to look behind me and look at WB, but Google Maps shows NO state line markings going WB, the only signage is WB at the AZ/NM border where it says "Welcome to the Navajo Nation", nothing about Arizona.

[woodpusher]

[/quote]
Which bridge are you talking about at the IN/KY border?  I know the I-65, I-64 (although this is harder to see because it's on the underside of the bridge, IIRC), I-275, US 31 and US 421 bridges  all have "Welcome to Indiana" signs.  US 41 in Evansville is also marked with a "Welcome to Indiana" sign, although that's past the bridge due to the quirk of the KY border being the North bank of the Ohio river when KY became a state as opposed to the actual course of the river now.
[/quote]

Dang, it's been years since I was there....maybe 20 years or more?  Maybe they finally put up a welcome sign.

[1995hoo]

Driving home from Pennsylvania on Monday I noted how the crossing from West Virginia to Virginia on US-48/Route 55 (theoretically to be replaced by Corridor H someday) is marked by, first, a county line sign, second, a "RADAR DETECTORS ILLEGAL" sign, and only some distance after that (and around a curve, IIRC) by a "Welcome to Virginia" sign. Struck me as rather pathetic that they feel the need to post the detector law before you see the welcome sign.

[Scott5114]

K-7's northern terminus is at a Nebraska county road. There is no "Welcome to Nebraska" signage, just Kansas signage going the other way and an END K-7 marker.