What exactly counts as an expressway?

[1995hoo]

The quiz author in question also created this one that may be near and dear to some folks:

http://www.sporcle.com/games/ethanman62187/28-freeway-interchanges

You won't get them all because he made it utterly inflexible as to what you must enter. (For example, on a quiz about the Atlantic Coast Conference most people would program it so that you could type UVA, Virginia, or University of Virginia and be marked correct for any of them. He doesn't do that. His way is to make you type it exactly as he entered it except maybe for capitalization.....so, as a hint, "Road" will not work but "Rd" will.)

generally, many Sporcle quizzes are quite suspect.  I tried a "197 countries of the world", but gave up when I typed in Venezuela and it credited me Peru.

I've actually gotten 100% on their "Countries of the World" quiz, but you have to understand some of their nuances in country naming to do that. Sporcle considers Palestine a country, for example. It also won't credit "Bosnia"–they have some agreement that you must type "Bosnia and Herzegovina" to be correct (yet for some reason they accept "St. Vincent" in lieu of "St. Vincent and the Grenadines"). There are a few others like that, although it will let you type "East Timor" or "Ivory Coast" instead of forcing you to say "Timor-Leste" or "Côte d'Ivoire" (though in alphabetical quizzes you'd need to know they count those as a "T" and a "C"; you'd also have to know they regard the Country Formerly Known as Zaire as a "D" because it's "Democratic Republic of the Congo").

[CNGL-Leudimin]

While working on this quiz.

He forgot to put Kyrgyzstan as a valid answer

generally, many Sporcle quizzes are quite suspect.  I tried a "197 countries of the world", but gave up when I typed in Venezuela and it credited me Peru.

I've also got 197 out of 197 there. When I know Kyrgyzstan is in the quiz, I always put it last. I don't like Sporcle considers Kosovo a country as Spain doesn't recognize it, and I always forget Taiwan, believing it is part of PR China!

[PHLBOS]

Would you consider these expressways or not?

Heck no.  Being a North Shore native, I am very familiar that stretch of MA 16 (aka the Revere Beach Parkway & I was one of the first ones here to point out that wrong/obsolete MA 1A listing on that LGS) and US 1 (Newbury St.) in your photos.  Not once have I ever heard anybody refer to those roadways as expressways... never.  Highways, yes; expressways, no.

Most view/equate expressways as multi-lane, limited-access, divided highways.

[english si]

I don't like Sporcle considers Kosovo a country as Spain doesn't recognize it

Spain is hardly the best test of recognition of a country. It is loathe to recognise new countries out of fear that the Basque region, or Catalunya might declare independence and be recognised.

Seriously, Spain has said will not recognise Scotland in the unlikely event that it votes yes to independence, despite that being a bilateral thing (in fact, support for Scottish independence is higher in England). Much as Salmond and the SNP despise the notion that the UK Government felt that they ought to have a say and go "we approve this referendum" to make it valid, such action was taken.

The main barrier to Kosovo's UN recognition is Russia - which has long been a friend of Serbia (and this year is the 100th anniversary of one of the fruits of that friendship - WW1 - though, of course, other factors played a part) and has similar issues with Chechnya, etc that gum up the works.

and I always forget Taiwan, believing it is part of PR China!

It's merely the area controlled by a rival Chinese Government, recognised as the legit government by a few states (after almost everyone recognising the Government-on-Taiwan flipped over to the Beijing-government in the 70s). It isn't so much a separate state, but an area of a state controlled by a 'rebel' government - I don't like it on Sporcle. Taiwanese people hold to a one-China doctrine, as do the mainlanders. Why go against the wishes of both states and have two-Chinas?

Palestine is different, as Israel recognises it (though not vice versa). Of course, many states don't recognise Israel, only recognising Palestine. The UN considers it to be a non-member state.

I think a majority of UN states recognising it is a good measure of neutral standards to adhere to on Sporcle. Taiwan: no, Palestine and Kosovo: yes. Western Sahara and various secessionist entities in the Caucuses: no.

[PurdueBill]

The I-469 Wikipedia page had unnecessary (and incorrect) pedantry on it for some time about Expressway vs. Freeway (as seen in this old version with remarks that were unwarranted. It was finally cleaned up.

Around my area, OH 18 from the Summit/Medina line to just east of I-71 may have been able to be considered as a borderline expressway (a low-quality Jersey expressway maybe) before it was rebuilt (as two separate carriageways and only limited places to cross over) but now is not (as a five-lane road, two each way with center turn lane).  OH 21, even with the Minor Road traffic signal, is still an expressway because of the control of access (no driveways at all). 

[TheStranger]

"Jersey Freeway"

Or "Texas Freeway" or "Michigan Freeway", etc.  Best to just call them "Urban Freeways".

When I've used that term I always meant something very specific to the NJ usage: a freeway by all intents and purposes, but with direct RIRO driveways to businesses as opposed to frontage roads.

[US 41]

3rd Street (US 41) in Terre Haute is also known as Veterans Memorial Expressway. (There are 26 stop lights on this route.) However I consider an expressway as a road with interchanges and no intersections.

[hotdogPi]

3rd Street (US 41) in Terre Haute is also known as Veterans Memorial Expressway. (There are 26 stop lights on this route.) However I consider an expressway as a road with interchanges and no intersections.

Would you consider IN 641 an expressway, a freeway, or a ramp?

[US 41]

I consider 641 an expressway and a freeway. I hope it gets finished before 2080.

I basically consider a freeway and an expressway the same thing. IMO a tollway is not a freeway, because you have to pay to use it, but it is still an expressway.

[sammi]

IMO a tollway is not a freeway, because you have to pay to use it

Wrong. Freeway doesn't mean free as in beer.

Although this is the very reason we don't call toll roads freeways, because that would be too confusing to those who don't know what the free part means.

[1995hoo]

IMO a tollway is not a freeway, because you have to pay to use it

Wrong. Freeway doesn't mean free as in beer.

Although this is the very reason we don't call toll roads freeways, because that would be too confusing to those who don't know what the free part means.

He's not "wrong." He said in his opinion the two aren't the same thing. While this discussion has taken place before and no doubt will again, the first post in this thread asked for individuals' opinions and not for some federal definition that at least half the country doesn't follow.

Except in discussions here and in occasional use elsewhere when I need to be precise, or when I'm using the formal name of a road like "Whitehurst Freeway" or "Staten Island Expressway," I don't consider ANY road to be a "freeway" or an "expressway" because I view those terms as regionalisms endemic to California and New York City, respectively.

[NE2]

The only true freeways are the ones that allow bikes and peds.

[PurdueBill]

"Jersey Freeway"

Or "Texas Freeway" or "Michigan Freeway", etc.  Best to just call them "Urban Freeways".

When I've used that term I always meant something very specific to the NJ usage: a freeway by all intents and purposes, but with direct RIRO driveways to businesses as opposed to frontage roads.

That's what I always thought "Jersey freeway" referred to--something like US 1 between Saugus and Danvers, Mass for example.  Basically unlimited RIRO driveway access but no median breaks and interchanges with other roads (using the term loosely maybe, considering that the interchanges along said section of road may have ramps meet US 1 at right angles with stop signs for entering traffic).  Still, it's divided and free-flowing (at least in the left lanes).

[Indyroads]

"Jersey Freeway"

Or "Texas Freeway" or "Michigan Freeway", etc.  Best to just call them "Urban Freeways".

When I've used that term I always meant something very specific to the NJ usage: a freeway by all intents and purposes, but with direct RIRO driveways to businesses as opposed to frontage roads.

That's what I always thought "Jersey freeway" referred to--something like US 1 between Saugus and Danvers, Mass for example.  Basically unlimited RIRO driveway access but no median breaks and interchanges with other roads (using the term loosely maybe, considering that the interchanges along said section of road may have ramps meet US 1 at right angles with stop signs for entering traffic).  Still, it's divided and free-flowing (at least in the left lanes).

To me the "Jersey Freeway" sounds alot like a superstreet expressway. Grade separated at major junctions but RIRO access from driveways and side streets, yet not a Freeway according to the 'Limited Access Highway or Interstate Standards'.

[NE2]

To me the "Jersey Freeway" sounds alot like a superstreet expressway.

Not at all. Superstreets allow left turns and U-turns in the median. Jersey freeways never allow the former and rarely the latter (e.g. US 22 in Union County, if you count that as one).

[Alps]

To me the "Jersey Freeway" sounds alot like a superstreet expressway.

Not at all. Superstreets allow left turns and U-turns in the median. Jersey freeways never allow the former and rarely the latter (e.g. US 22 in Union County, if you count that as one).

I think US 22 counts. Jersey freeway is a roadgeek term, so we are free to define it however. I look at it as the contrapositive to an expressway - no access control, but also no grade crossings.

[briantroutman]

For the most part, I think I've always seen Jersey freeways with little to no interior shoulder and a Jersey barrier (or double-sided guardrail) separating the directions of traffic–assumably owing the narrow rights of way, which is probably why the road is a Jersey freeway and not a more full-fledged freeway with access control and frontage roads.

But are there any roads we might consider Jersey freeways that have a grass median and separate carriageways?

[NE2]

But are there any roads we might consider Jersey freeways that have a grass median and separate carriageways?

US 1 in southern Rhode Island - always at least a narrow grass median, with U-turn ramps (and, compared to US 22, relatively large spacing between each U-turn and RIRO).
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.385567,-71.641631&spn=0.013056,0.028346&gl=us&t=k&z=16

And yes, U-turn ramps should be OK - I-55 had one south of Joliet until about 5 years ago.

[Alps]

But are there any roads we might consider Jersey freeways that have a grass median and separate carriageways?

US 1 in southern Rhode Island - always at least a narrow grass median, with U-turn ramps (and, compared to US 22, relatively large spacing between each U-turn and RIRO).
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.385567,-71.641631&spn=0.013056,0.028346&gl=us&t=k&z=16

And yes, U-turn ramps should be OK - I-55 had one south of Joliet until about 5 years ago.

The Palisades Interstate Parkway still does. And that's obviously Interstate.