Upstate New York routes with letter suffixes

[D-Dey65]

NY 9N starts significantly south of the North Country; NY 28N probably just means "north", since it's essentially a northern alignment of NY 28.
No question they were assigned geographically, but the mnemonic associations with the letters are a nice added touch. Now let's see someone tackle NY 17's suffixes from that perspective!

Or, they could revive NY 27A east of the Oakdale Merge, and revive Suffolk CR 36's state maintenance status as NY 27B (for Bellport and/or Brookhaven), and upgrade the former NY Truck Route 27A/current Suffolk CR 98 as NY 27C (for Center Moriches).

[dgolub]

NY 9N starts significantly south of the North Country; NY 28N probably just means "north", since it's essentially a northern alignment of NY 28.
No question they were assigned geographically, but the mnemonic associations with the letters are a nice added touch. Now let's see someone tackle NY 17's suffixes from that perspective!

Or, they could revive NY 27A east of the Oakdale Merge, and revive Suffolk CR 36's state maintenance status as NY 27B (for Bellport and/or Brookhaven), and upgrade the former NY Truck Route 27A/current Suffolk CR 98 as NY 27C (for Center Moriches).

I'm all for bringing back NY 27A from Oakdale to Southampton, as well as extending it west along Merrick Road and Merrick Boulevard to Jamaica.  However, CR 36 and CR 98 seem a bit minor for state route status.  There are a plenty of other county routes that I would have higher on my list for deserving promotion.

While we're on the topic of letter suffixes that stand for something, how about promoting Suffolk CR 58 to NY 25N?

[Pete from Boston]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge. 

[dgolub]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

[Alps]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

MA 1A theoretically multiplexes with US 1 - at least, the mileage is consistent between the two segments (actually, I believe, following the old US 1 alignment through Boston). I don't believe the other MA "A" routes do the same, though.

[Pete from Boston]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

MA 1A theoretically multiplexes with US 1 - at least, the mileage is consistent between the two segments (actually, I believe, following the old US 1 alignment through Boston). I don't believe the other MA "A" routes do the same, though.

I don't know where Google data is pulled from, but a quick glance at Erving shows 2A and 2 multiplexed, so there's a database someplace where that's the case, even if wrong. It's Friday and I'm tired, otherwise I'd go poke around MassGIS to check. 

[Alps]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

MA 1A theoretically multiplexes with US 1 - at least, the mileage is consistent between the two segments (actually, I believe, following the old US 1 alignment through Boston). I don't believe the other MA "A" routes do the same, though.

I don't know where Google data is pulled from, but a quick glance at Erving shows 2A and 2 multiplexed, so there's a database someplace where that's the case, even if wrong. It's Friday and I'm tired, otherwise I'd go poke around MassGIS to check. 

Actually, there is a physical 2/2A concurrency at one point, which is probably that. (There may be another one to the east by the Concord rotary, I believe.) So 1A and 2A keep mileage, others don't - certainly not 3A.

[hotdogPi]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

MA 1A theoretically multiplexes with US 1 - at least, the mileage is consistent between the two segments (actually, I believe, following the old US 1 alignment through Boston). I don't believe the other MA "A" routes do the same, though.

I don't know where Google data is pulled from, but a quick glance at Erving shows 2A and 2 multiplexed, so there's a database someplace where that's the case, even if wrong. It's Friday and I'm tired, otherwise I'd go poke around MassGIS to check. 

Actually, there is a physical 2/2A concurrency at one point, which is probably that. (There may be another one to the east by the Concord rotary, I believe.) So 1A and 2A keep mileage, others don't - certainly not 3A.

Google has added many hidden routes, like reference route numbers on the Taconic State Parkway and the Berkshire Connector, and also NJ 444 and MA 3A.

Yes, Google thinks 3A is a multiplex. This started the exact same time the business/bypass/alternate banners showed up on Google.

[NE2]

The Goog seems to have auto-filled gaps in routes, even where gaps really do exist. This happens all the time with county roads in Florida.

[dgolub]

The Goog seems to have auto-filled gaps in routes, even where gaps really do exist. This happens all the time with county roads in Florida.

They've done some of the same in New York also.  The last time I tried to correct it on Google Map Maker, they told me that their sources told them that their original information was correct.  I don't know what their sources were.  I gave them a link to the official listing from the NYSDOT web site and got no response.

[ixnay]

Delaware offers two suffixed routes (1A and 1B) for accessing Rehoboth Beach from DE 1.

A few miles NW near Lewes, there's DE 1D which, unlike 1A and 1B, doesn't directly feed into DE 1.

AFAIK there's no DE 1C or DE 1E or up.

And closer to the topic, I've driven NY 25A in Suffolk County, and ridden over the flyover from NB NY 14 to NB NY 14A north of Watkins Glen.  I'll have to look at my maps and atlases to remind myself what other Empire State suffixed roads I've been on.

ixnay

[bob7374]

And THREE 111A: Why couldn't they just be 111A, 111B, and 111C?

"A" meaning "alternate"?  Because they're all alternates.  Massachusetts alternates start and stop as needed along a mainline route, maintaining the same designation each time.  There is little chance of Main St. In Greenfield being confused with Mass Ave. in Cambridge.

They also do that with MA 6A on Cape Cod.  There's one MA 6A further south and then a short one up by Provincetown.

MA 1A theoretically multiplexes with US 1 - at least, the mileage is consistent between the two segments (actually, I believe, following the old US 1 alignment through Boston). I don't believe the other MA "A" routes do the same, though.

I don't know where Google data is pulled from, but a quick glance at Erving shows 2A and 2 multiplexed, so there's a database someplace where that's the case, even if wrong. It's Friday and I'm tired, otherwise I'd go poke around MassGIS to check. 

According to the MassDOT MilePoint maps I have looked at (available at: http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/planning/Main/MapsDataandReports/Maps/NumberedRouteswithMilePoints.aspx), it appears most eastern MA alternate routes are continuous, but unsigned, between their signed segments along their parent routes. This includes US 1 MA 2 and MA 3. Therefore, the SE Expressway, for example, is officially I-93/US 1/MA 1A/MA 3/MA 3A north of Neponset Circle and I-93 between Canton and Braintree is officially I-93/US 1/MA 1A. An interesting side note from looking closely at the Boston inset on the state map (the official District 6 map does not included the milepoints), is that MA 1A North is officially routed along I-90 from I-93 to East Boston. Mile 47 occurs just before the South Boston interchange (Exit 25) and mile 48 is somewhere under Boston Harbor.

[D-Dey65]

I'm all for bringing back NY 27A from Oakdale to Southampton, as well as extending it west along Merrick Road and Merrick Boulevard to Jamaica.  However, CR 36 and CR 98 seem a bit minor for state route status.  There are a plenty of other county routes that I would have higher on my list for deserving promotion.

CR 36 was originally part of Montauk Highway and thus NY 27 until 1932. CR 98 was also a truck detour of NY 27A. I'd say they'd be perfect for upgrades. In the case of the "Moriches Bypass," all you'd have to do is halt development on land that was originally set aside for the extra lanes, and you'd have something good.

While we're on the topic of letter suffixes that stand for something, how about promoting Suffolk CR 58 to NY 25N?

If anything, I still say keep it as is, and run Interstate 495 Business Route along it east of Exit 73.

[dgolub]

I'm all for bringing back NY 27A from Oakdale to Southampton, as well as extending it west along Merrick Road and Merrick Boulevard to Jamaica.  However, CR 36 and CR 98 seem a bit minor for state route status.  There are a plenty of other county routes that I would have higher on my list for deserving promotion.

CR 36 was originally part of Montauk Highway and thus NY 27 until 1932. CR 98 was also a truck detour of NY 27A. I'd say they'd be perfect for upgrades. In the case of the "Moriches Bypass," all you'd have to do is halt development on land that was originally set aside for the extra lanes, and you'd have something good.

I'd say bring back Truck NY 27A along CR 98.  Or do a bypass/business setup like there is in Rocky Point.

[D-Dey65]

I'd say bring back Truck NY 27A along CR 98.  Or do a bypass/business setup like there is in Rocky Point.

Somehow I almost feel like combining your two suggestions.