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Idea for different speed limits per lane

Started by hotdogPi, February 15, 2014, 06:38:57 PM

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KEK Inc.

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 20, 2014, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 20, 2014, 12:43:30 AM
Washington usually makes it pretty clear not to cross double white lines, but they're not really common in the state. 
http://goo.gl/maps/fzuyf

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That is MUCH more prominent and easy to read than the dinky little signs VDOT posted on I-66 (not that it'd matter, people would still ignore them). They're small enough that I haven't gotten a good picture yet.

What's weird about our double white lines is that the lanes they border are not 24/7 HOV lanes. Outside rush hour, they operate as the regular left lane, but it's still illegal to cross the double white lines (which are located only where the HOV lane passes through interchanges, although one of those interchanges is quite long due to a C/D road system).

http://goo.gl/maps/gjXLn
http://goo.gl/maps/VyXs4

To be fair, the SR-167 HOT lanes have smaller signs, but they're still fairly legible.  Probably would be better to put on a sign bridge.
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Kacie Jane

Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 20, 2014, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 20, 2014, 08:30:39 AM
QuoteBut the double-white line is only* for HOT lanes, which are only on SR 167 at the moment, which doesn't have variable speed limits.

Thought I remembered a couple sets of double-white line on the I-5 HOV lanes, both south of downtown (where the above picture was taken), and also north near the I-405 interchange.


And again, Washington doesn't restrict lane changes for HOV.

The above picture was taken on the West Seattle Freeway, not I-5, and doesn't involve an HOV lane.  Regarding the 405 interchange, see my asterisk, though I did immediately regret using the word "only".  The double line there is merely to prevent traffic merging in on the left from the park and ride from weaving across four lanes of traffic to try to exit onto 525/405.  It doesn't last very long, and isn't relevant to the "different speed limits per lane" conversation.

1995hoo

Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 20, 2014, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 20, 2014, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 20, 2014, 12:43:30 AM
Washington usually makes it pretty clear not to cross double white lines, but they're not really common in the state. 
http://goo.gl/maps/fzuyf

....

That is MUCH more prominent and easy to read than the dinky little signs VDOT posted on I-66 (not that it'd matter, people would still ignore them). They're small enough that I haven't gotten a good picture yet.

What's weird about our double white lines is that the lanes they border are not 24/7 HOV lanes. Outside rush hour, they operate as the regular left lane, but it's still illegal to cross the double white lines (which are located only where the HOV lane passes through interchanges, although one of those interchanges is quite long due to a C/D road system).

http://goo.gl/maps/gjXLn
http://goo.gl/maps/VyXs4

To be fair, the SR-167 HOT lanes have smaller signs, but they're still fairly legible.  Probably would be better to put on a sign bridge.

Those are still much easier to see than the ones we have. I think I may have some dashcam video from when I passed one. I'll look sometime in the next few days and upload it if it's any good.
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myosh_tino

Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 20, 2014, 04:58:10 PM
http://goo.gl/maps/gjXLn
http://goo.gl/maps/VyXs4

To be fair, the SR-167 HOT lanes have smaller signs, but they're still fairly legible.  Probably would be better to put on a sign bridge.

Caltrans uses a similar sign that reads "DO NOT CROSS DOUBLE WHITE LINES" (http://goo.gl/maps/SsD5v) but the signs are way too small IMO.  Because double white lines are a new concept for California drivers, I've seen quite a few people cross them on the I-680 and I-880/CA-237 Express Lanes.
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Quote from: myosh_tino on February 21, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Because double white lines are a new concept for California drivers, I've seen quite a few people cross them on the I-680 and I-880/CA-237 Express Lanes.

That's not to say that doesn't also happen here. Big source of income for the local police (people crossing the double white). I was only 12 when they opened, but if I remember right, they didn't used to ticket for it (new concept) but this is their 7th year in operation so most people have the idea down, hence the ticketing that presently takes place.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: jake on February 21, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on February 21, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Because double white lines are a new concept for California drivers, I've seen quite a few people cross them on the I-680 and I-880/CA-237 Express Lanes.

That's not to say that doesn't also happen hear. Big source of income for the local police (people crossing the double white). I was only 12 when they opened, but if I remember right, they didn't used to ticket for it (new concept) but this is their 7th year in operation so most people have the idea down, hence the ticketing that presently takes place.

I'm pretty sure they know what it means...they just want to get away with it, or claim ignorance.  They certainly know what a double yellow line means. Between the signs, the double white line, and the passing zone area where one can enter legally, most people will figure it out.

jakeroot

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2014, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: jake on February 21, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on February 21, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Because double white lines are a new concept for California drivers, I've seen quite a few people cross them on the I-680 and I-880/CA-237 Express Lanes.

That's not to say that doesn't also happen hear. Big source of income for the local police (people crossing the double white). I was only 12 when they opened, but if I remember right, they didn't used to ticket for it (new concept) but this is their 7th year in operation so most people have the idea down, hence the ticketing that presently takes place.

I'm pretty sure they know what it means...they just want to get away with it, or claim ignorance.  They certainly know what a double yellow line means. Between the signs, the double white line, and the passing zone area where one can enter legally, most people will figure it out.

That's why police write tickets for it. No excuse at this point (though both my father and step father repeatedly ignore it, claiming that bollards would be a better way to prevent their disobedience).

1995hoo

Found one of my videos that at least gives a sense for why I said Virginia's signs about crossing the white lines are quite small:

"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

StogieGuy7

Back to the topic for a moment, I drove on a couple of multi (6 to 8 each way) lane freeways near Buenos Aires and they all had different speed limits per lane.  Personally, I thought it was great!  And it seemed to add a little bit of order in an otherwise chaotic driving environment. 

Argentina: talk about aggressive drivers and road rage!  Of course, i happily rose to the occasion...   :biggrin:



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