11 corridors studied in accordance with 1973 law

Started by NE2, February 24, 2015, 01:35:27 PM

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NE2

http://www.arkansashighways.com/minute_orders/Mo70-79.pdf
QuoteThere has been considerable national attention focused on a new proposed transportation route from Kansas City, Missouri to Brunswick, Georgia. Such a proposed transportation route does include a portion northeast Arkansas, and it is fully recognized that if this route is funded and becomes a reality, the entire State of Arkansas would benefit.

http://www.ite.org/aboutite/honorarymembers/EdwardsJD.asp
QuoteThe Multi-State Transportation Corridor, a 1,200 [sic - more like 1100]-mile corridor from Kansas City, MO, to Brunswick, GA

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19790418&id=xgUvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9jIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6576,2736436
QuoteThe route across South Georgia would link Columbus with Albany, Tifton, Waycross, and Brunswick. [...] The route would go northwest through Birmingham, Ala., Tupelo, Miss., Memphis, Tenn., Jonesboro, Ark., and Springfield, Mo., before reaching Kansas City.

This would have been a combination of SR 520, US 280, I-22, I-555, and US 63-US-60-Route 13. It would only save 20 miles over the all-Interstate route (but serve several major cities along the way).

http://www.arkansashighways.com/historic_bridge/Early%20Arkansas%20Highway%20Magazines/1970-79%20Volumes%2016-25%20pdfs/Volume%2021%20%E2%80%93%201975/Vol.%2021,%20Spring%20%28January-February-March%29%201975,%20No.2.pdf (p. 16) includes a map that shows a more direct route south of Jonesboro.

Corridors defined by the 1973 act were:
Route 1 Brunswick, Georgia, to Kansas City, Missouri
Route 2 Kansas City, Missouri, to Chicago, Illinois
Route 3 Amarillo, Texas, to Las Cruces, New Mexico, with a Spur to El Paso, Texas
Route 4 Port of Catoosa to Ponca City, Oklahoma, to Interstate Route No. 35 (i.e. Cimarron Turnpike; would connect Wichita to Tulsa, "the largest two cities in the country within 150 miles of each other" without a "direct Federal highway link")
Route 5 Cove Fort, Utah, to Carson City, Nevada (actually studied as ending at Reno)
Route 6 Kansas City, Missouri, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana (i.e. I-49)
Route 7 Waterloo, Iowa, to Rockford, Illinois
Route 8 Lubbock South to I-10, Texas
Route 9 Salina, Kansas, to Watertown, South Dakota
Route 10 Wichita, Kansas, to Tucumcari, New Mexico
Route 11 Davenport, Iowa, to La Crosse, Wisconsin
(but supposedly there were ten? anyone have the actual law text?)

The only one currently planned as an Interstate for its entire length is Route 6, although Route 4 was built as a freeway (other than one at-grade west of Sand Springs).
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spooky

Is Route 8 supposed to be to I-20? I-40 is north of Lubbock.

Big John


txstateends

Quote from: spooky on February 24, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
Is Route 8 supposed to be to I-20? I-40 is north of Lubbock.

I saw that, but I think it may mean starting from the south side of Lubbock and going up to I-40 (which is what I-27 does now).
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NE2

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froggie

Found this report for "Corridor 2" (KC-Chicago):

http://www.linecreekloudmouth.com/files/1973kansascitytochicagoexpresswayreport.pdf  A map of study alternatives is on page 3 of the PDF.

NE2

Quote from: froggie on February 25, 2015, 04:39:46 PM
Found this report for "Corridor 2" (KC-Chicago):

http://www.linecreekloudmouth.com/files/1973kansascitytochicagoexpresswayreport.pdf  A map of study alternatives is on page 3 of the PDF.


Also has maps of the planned expressway systems for the three states at the end.
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SD Mapman

Quote from: NE2 on February 24, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
Route 9 Salina, Kansas, to Watertown, South Dakota

Okay... what? US 81 doesn't need to be upgraded more than it already is.
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bugo

Quote from: NE2 on February 24, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
Route 4 Port of Catoosa to Ponca City, Oklahoma, to Interstate Route No. 35 (i.e. Cimarron Turnpike; would connect Wichita to Tulsa, "the largest two cities in the country within 150 miles of each other" without a "direct Federal highway link")
The only one currently planned as an Interstate for its entire length is Route 6, although Route 4 was built as a freeway (other than one at-grade west of Sand Springs).

The Cimarron Turnpike doesn't go anywhere near the Port of Catoosa, even though US 412 does. It also doesn't go anywhere near Ponca City. This was likely a route proposed to move goods from the Port of Catoosa to I-35 north.

NE2

Found the actual text: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-87/pdf/STATUTE-87-Pg250.pdf
QuoteSEC. 143. The Secretary of Transportation shall report to Congress by January 1, 1975, on the feasibility and necessity for constructing to appropriate standards proposed highways along the following routes:
(1) A route from Brunswick, Georgia, or its vicinity, to Kansas City, Missouri, or its vicinity, so aligned to serve the following intermediate locations, or vicinities thereof: Columbus, Georgia; Birmingham, Alabama; Tupelo, Mississippi; Memphis, Tennessee; Batesville or Jonesboro, Arkansas; and Springfield, Missouri.
(2) A route from Kansas City, Missouri, or its vicinity, to Chicago, Illinois, or its vicinity, so aligned as to cross the Mississippi River at a point between Nauvoo, Illinois, on the north, and Hannibal, Missouri, on the south.
(3) A route from Amarillo, Texas, or its vicinity to Las Cruces, New Mexico, or its vicinity, so aligned as to serve the following intermediate locations, or vicinities thereof: Hereford, Texas; Clovis, New Mexico; Portales, New Mexico; Roswell, New Mexico; Ruidoso, New Mexico; Tularosa, New Mexico; and Alamogordo, New Mexico together with a branch route from Alamogordo, New Mexico, or its vicinity, to El Paso, Texas, or its vicinity, to connect with Interstate Route No. 10 and the port of entry with Mexico.
(4) A route from the Port of Catoosa, Catoosa, Oklahoma, or its vicinity, to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, Oklahoma, or its vicinity.
(5) Extension of Interstate Highway 70 from Cove Fort, Utah, or its vicinity, in a westerly direction, so aligned to serve the intermediate locations of Ely and Carson City, Nevada, or their vicinities.
(6) A route from Kansas City, Missouri, or its vicinity, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, or its vicinity, so aligned to serve one or both of the following intermediate locations or vicinities thereof: Fayetteville, Fort Smith, and Texarkana, Arkansas; or Little Rock, Arkansas, or any other route through the State of Arkansas determined feasible by such State and the Secretary.
(7) A route from Interstate Highway 380 from Waterloo, Iowa, via Dubuque, Iowa, to Interstate Highway 90 at Rockford, Illinois; and an extension of Interstate Highway 74 from the Davenport, Iowa-Moline, Illinois, area through Dubuque, Iowa, to Interstate 90 at LaCrosse, Wisconsin.
(8) Extension of Interstate Highway 27 from Lubbock, Texas, or its vicinity in a southerly direction to intersect with Interstate 20 and, proceeding further, to intersect with Interstate 10.
(9) A route from Salina, Kansas, or its vicinity, in a northerly direction to intersect with Interstate 80 in the vicinity of York, Nebraska, and, proceeding further, to Interstate 29 in the vicinity of Watertown, South Dakota.
(10) A route from Wichita, Kansas, or its vicinity to Tucumcari, New Mexico, or its vicinity, so aligned to serve the following intermediate locations or vicinities thereof: Pratt, Kansas; Meade, Kansas; Liberal, Kansas; Guymon, Oklahoma; Stafford, Texas; Dalhart, Texas; and Logan, New Mexico; or any other route through the State of Kansas determined feasible by such State and the Secretary.

The Cimarron Turnpike, combined with the US 412 freeway to Catoosa, definitely fits into the bounds of 4.
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bugo

#4 would have acted as a northern bypass of Tulsa and would also have run diagonally through Osage County. The Cimarron does not even go through Catoosa (or Tulsa for that matter) and it doesn't go through Ponca City.

Anthony_JK

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QuoteRoute 6 Kansas City, Missouri, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana (i.e. I-49)

Probably NOT I-49, but more an US 61/LA 15 (now US 425)/US 65 (via I-530/I-30/I-40)/US 60/MO 13/US 71 corridor serving Baton Rouge/Natchez/Ferriday/Monticello/Pine Bluff/Little Rock/Conway/Mountain Home/Branson/Springfield/KCMO.


There was already full commitment to a Lafayette/Opelousas/Alexandria/Shreveport/Texarkana expressway corridor by that time, though it wasn't established fully as I-49 until the late 1970's, when US 167 was upgraded to I-standards between Lafayette and Opelousas and the rest of what would become I-49 was well in the planning stages.

NE2

Quote from: bugo on February 26, 2015, 07:59:38 AM
#4 would have acted as a northern bypass of Tulsa and would also have run diagonally through Osage County. The Cimarron does not even go through Catoosa (or Tulsa for that matter) and it doesn't go through Ponca City.
That might have been one corridor studied, but the 412-Cimarron combo definitely fits the description: "A route from the Port of Catoosa, Catoosa, Oklahoma, or its vicinity, to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, Oklahoma, or its vicinity."

Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 26, 2015, 08:21:26 AM
QuoteRoute 6 Kansas City, Missouri, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana (i.e. I-49)

Probably NOT I-49, but more an US 61/LA 15 (now US 425)/US 65 (via I-530/I-30/I-40)/US 60/MO 13/US 71 corridor serving Baton Rouge/Natchez/Ferriday/Monticello/Pine Bluff/Little Rock/Conway/Mountain Home/Branson/Springfield/KCMO.
It could have been either: "A route from Kansas City, Missouri, or its vicinity, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, or its vicinity, so aligned to serve one or both of the following intermediate locations or vicinities thereof: Fayetteville, Fort Smith, and Texarkana, Arkansas; or Little Rock, Arkansas, or any other route through the State of Arkansas determined feasible by such State and the Secretary."
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NE2

A bit more research shows that a "Northwest Passage Turnpike" was proposed on a more direct route from Catoosa to Ponca City (or to Wichita), and rejected in part because it would drain revenues from the Cimarron. I maintain that the Cimarron provides adequate service in this corridor and that a more northerly route to I-35 west of Ponca City would be unnecessary. A diagonal from Tulsa/Catoosa to Wichita might be more reasonable.
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bugo

But the Cimarron doesn't go near Ponca or Catoosa. The beginning and endng are very specific. Ifit said "Tulsa to I-35" you would have a point.

NE2

Quote from: bugo on February 26, 2015, 01:33:50 PM
But the Cimarron doesn't go near Ponca or Catoosa. The beginning and endng are very specific. Ifit said "Tulsa to I-35" you would have a point.
"A route from the Port of Catoosa, Catoosa, Oklahoma, or its vicinity, to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, Oklahoma, or its vicinity."

"to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, or its vicinity" is probably a typo for "to Interstate Route No. 35 at Ponca City, or its vicinity" (same for "from Interstate Highway 380 from Waterloo, Iowa"). Reading it as written means it would first hit I-35, then turn back east to Ponca City. But either way, the Cimarron ends at I-35 in the vicinity of Ponca City.

As for Catoosa, you're obviously trolling. The Cimarron feeds into another freeway that goes right to Catoosa.
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ET21

Quote from: Big John on February 24, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
And Rte 110 is from #2.  :-/

110 is an afterthought honestly. All you see are little white signs every 50 miles just to remind you its there.
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bugo

Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: bugo on February 26, 2015, 01:33:50 PM
But the Cimarron doesn't go near Ponca or Catoosa. The beginning and endng are very specific. Ifit said "Tulsa to I-35" you would have a point.
"A route from the Port of Catoosa, Catoosa, Oklahoma, or its vicinity, to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, Oklahoma, or its vicinity."

"to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, or its vicinity" is probably a typo for "to Interstate Route No. 35 at Ponca City, or its vicinity" (same for "from Interstate Highway 380 from Waterloo, Iowa"). Reading it as written means it would first hit I-35, then turn back east to Ponca City. But either way, the Cimarron ends at I-35 in the vicinity of Ponca City.

As for Catoosa, you're obviously trolling. The Cimarron feeds into another freeway that goes right to Catoosa.

No, I'm serious. This freeway proposal wasn't built. The Cimarron was built, but it's not the highway listed here. The Port of Catoosa is a specific terminus, because of all the freight that comes up the Verdigris River. This would have provided a highway connection directly from the port to I-35 near the Kansas border. A totally different animal from the Keystone Expressway/Cimarron Turnpike.

NE2

The Cimarron, in conjunction with the free part of US 412, provides access from I-35 near Ponca City to Catoosa. Yawn.
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Brandon

Quote from: ET21 on February 26, 2015, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 24, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
And Rte 110 is from #2.  :-/

110 is an afterthought honestly. All you see are little white signs every 50 miles just to remind you its there.

And IL-11/MO-110 is merely the brainchild (brain frankenstein's monster?) of a promoter from Quincy, Illinois.  It is, in my ever-so-humble opinion, a silly joke.
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#20
Quote from: Brandon on February 27, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: ET21 on February 26, 2015, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 24, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
And Rte 110 is from #2.  :-/

110 is an afterthought honestly. All you see are little white signs every 50 miles just to remind you its there.

And IL-11/MO-110 is merely the brainchild (brain frankenstein's monster?) of a promoter from Quincy, Illinois.  It is, in my ever-so-humble opinion, a silly joke.

Recommissioning US 66 as the "Chicago - Los Angeles Expressway" along its interstate replacements would make better since than IL-110.

3467

Were any other studies completed or published ex Chicago -KC? I could not  find them only . That does not mean they were not done I have the Ave of the Saints from ISTEA That study includes route 11 above but does not mention a previous study.
No reason US 66 could not be returned to Chicago -LA If AASHTO doesn't want to us the US number like 110 the sates can give it a state number
The 110 promoter Owns a bunch of TV stations and in 2015 America He gets what he wants



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