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Poorly Signed Bypass Route

Started by Avalanchez71, August 15, 2016, 02:11:56 PM

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myosh_tino

Quote from: TheStranger on August 20, 2016, 05:06:39 AM
Quote from: coatimundi on August 18, 2016, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on August 18, 2016, 01:00:08 PM
Route 85 serves as a bypass for US 101 in San Jose though (probably due to the restrictions on heavy trucks) it is only signed for US 101's destinations at certain places (i.e. for Gilroy off of I-280 in Cupertino).  I don't think it is signed for San Francisco northbound until around Route 237.

The BGS on 17 northbound says San Francisco.


My guess on that one: more a pointer to take 85 north to 280 north (kinda like something I saw today, 880 south in Hayward signed for San Mateo as a connection to the 92 west/San Mateo Bridge exit a few miles down)

Wait a minute...

If I'm not mistaken, signs for route 85 have Mountain View (northbound) and Gilroy (southbound) as control points on northbound route 17.  I don't recall seeing any signs with a San Francisco control point.

The first time San Francisco appears as a control point for route 85 is at the 85/237 interchange.  The exit from eastbound 237 to northbound 85 is signed as US 101 north with a San Francisco control point.
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TheStranger

Quote from: myosh_tino on August 21, 2016, 11:50:13 AM

The first time San Francisco appears as a control point for route 85 is at the 85/237 interchange.  The exit from eastbound 237 to northbound 85 is signed as US 101 north with a San Francisco control point.

I did see San Francisco as a northbound control listed on an onramp in Sunnyvale last night:

https://goo.gl/maps/NaD1ByUua9n

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Not sure I've mentioned this one before, but Route 78 takes a somewhat circuitous route east of the freeway end in Escondido: at Broadway, eastbound 78 makes a right turn south on that street and then a left onto eastbound Washington Avenue, while the city street extension of the freeway (Lincoln Parkway/Lincoln Avenue) already directly connects to Ash Street, which Washington reaches a bit later on.

Chris Sampang

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Lake Morality Road is rather poorly signed on US 98 as a bypass of Carrabelle, connecting to CR 67. Signs simply say 'by-pass route'.
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TR69

This isn't really a true "bypass", but in Louisville mainline US 60 goes right through downtown while Alternate US 60 navigates a rough arc around the south and east sides of the city core, avoiding downtown. The problem with ALT US 60 is that it goes through so many congested neighborhoods and stop lights that a traveler really would be just as well off to simply stay on US 60 through downtown. One strike against the downtown routing, though, is that US 60 is very poorly signed in that part of the city. ALT US 60 is actually signed much better.

Similar to what another person posted earlier...when I need to cross the Indianapolis metro in a north-south direction, I always just take I-65 right through town. It has always worked for me, plus I'm a sucker for a big city skyline.

Another thought is I-469 around Fort Wayne...but then again I-69 itself also bypasses the city. You're generally better off just taking I-69 "through" town. When I lived in Fort Wayne years ago, I got the impression that I-469 wasn't really built as a bypass so much as it was put in so that truck traffic could reach the industrial areas on the east side of the city without having to go through town.

I-474 around Peoria is another candidate. Now that I-74 through town has been massively re-built, it's a pretty easy drive just taking I-74 right through the city, with the possible exception of rush hour.

coatimundi

I had always thought that 469 was less for 69 and more for 24 and 30, in order to get that truck traffic out of the city. 469 was designated at roughly the same time as the Fort-to-Port highway concept started, so I would think that it was just a major, initial push. Maybe Indiana foresaw that it would be much more difficult to get a new US 24 through town as opposed to around it.
469 was also conceived at a time when Fort Wayne was likely a little concerned about its future as that was just after a big round of auto plant closings. Constructing interstates was seen, and still is seen in some places, as an economic boon.

Driving around Indy, I always found 465 better than anything through town. The urban freeways there are in pretty rough shape, particularly 65/70 through Downtown. That always seemed to be one of the places where there was traffic reliably.

TheStranger

Quote from: TR69 on October 13, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
This isn't really a true "bypass", but in Louisville mainline US 60 goes right through downtown while Alternate US 60 navigates a rough arc around the south and east sides of the city core, avoiding downtown. The problem with ALT US 60 is that it goes through so many congested neighborhoods and stop lights that a traveler really would be just as well off to simply stay on US 60 through downtown. One strike against the downtown routing, though, is that US 60 is very poorly signed in that part of the city. ALT US 60 is actually signed much better.

I wonder if US 60 being poorly signed downtown is a result of the fact there was a 20 or so year period where the mainline route used I-264 (while the downtown segment was a business route).
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hbelkins

Quote from: TheStranger on October 14, 2016, 12:23:58 PM

I wonder if US 60 being poorly signed downtown is a result of the fact there was a 20 or so year period where the mainline route used I-264 (while the downtown segment was a business route).

No, because US 31E, 31W and 31 are not well-signed either along Main, Market and 2nd streets.

However, the intersections involving US 150 on the west end and US 60/US 42 east of downtown are fairly well signed.

At one time, there were three flavors of US 60 in Louisville -- regular along the Watterson, Business along the current plain route, and Alternate.
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DandyDan

I-680 in the Omaha area is not signed as a bypass route, but I think in that case, the only people who used it as one are people going from I-80 east to I-29 north or vice versa.  Through traffic on I-80 generally sticks to I-80.
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oscar

Quote from: coatimundi on August 15, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
For poorly signed, the Lahaina Bypass (SR 3000) on Maui only currently has state route markers at either end, with no signs indicating what it is. It's longer, but it's quicker.
But the bypass is incomplete, with no direct connection to HI 30 at either end. It will probably be better signed once the project is finished.
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The IA 5 and US 65 bypass around the south and east sides of Des Moines.  The current signs give no indication that this is a freeway-grade alternative to staying on I-80 and I-35 (depending on the ultimate destination).  IMHO, and drifting into fictional territory, it should really have a new IA 435 or IA 880 cosigned along its length and use control cities of Kansas City and either Davenport.

Sign on NB I-35
Sign on WB I-80

hbelkins

Approaching Rome, Ga., southbound on US 27, the Loop GA 1 routing is very poorly signed.
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