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Started by roadman65, October 03, 2013, 08:59:18 AM

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bwana39

Let's build what we need as economically as possible.


ElishaGOtis

Quote from: Bobby5280 on December 16, 2024, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: EchostaticThere are currently no plans to expand the existing sections of SH 45. Hays County is starting the funding process for the southern link between FM 1626 and I-35 (the "SH 45 Gap") and a feasibility study is underway. Travis County opposes that construction however, and about a third of the route will be in Travis so I'm sure there will be lawsuits on the way (in fact I believe one was filed a few months ago over some dispute.)

TX-45 will never be a full loop around Austin. But, yeah, I think odds are very likely the Southern gap between FM-1626 and I-35 will be filled. There are few (if any) existing structures along the proposed path.

Once that gap is filled, I do believe it will put more pressure on extending the super highway NW to the FM-1826 intersection. There is plenty room between the existing frontage roads.

The US-290 freeway is planned to be extended about 11 miles from the Circle Drive Y to the East edge of Dripping Springs. Once that project is completed it will create more motivation to extend TX-45 about 3.5 miles NW to dovetail into US-290. There are long range freeway plan maps for the Austin metro that show TX-45 being extended to US-290. I'm sure there will be court battles. But they'll be like the ones fought over US-290 expansion in the Oak Hill area. Eventually people concede that something has to be done about the traffic. In the long run TX-45 could serve as part an East-West bypass for thru traffic to skirt Austin to the South. I do think the US-290 freeway will eventually be extended West to the US-281 corridor. Getting thru or around Dripping Springs won't be easy though.

Thought of this recently... Do y'all think any of these freeway extensions could have an 80-85mph design speed and speed limit? I'm curious as to whether or not any new roadways around that area could be built to a similar standard to the existing SH-45 high speed sections at 80mph...
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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Bobby5280

The TX-130 toll road is a unique case. The bypass goes through sparsely developed land on the East side of Austin. The terrain is more flat than the hilly areas West of I-35.

I wouldn't expect to see speed limits any faster than 70mph or 75mph on completed freeway sections of US-290 going out to Dripping Springs. If TX DOT builds a freeway around Dripping Springs to reach the US-281 corridor maybe that could get an 80mph limit (if the terrain is flat enough and sight lines are good enough).

The existing TX-45 toll road on Austin's South side has a 70mph speed limit. It's a skinny, minimalist design that's hardly any wider than some city streets. It has a shared use path next to it. Whatever gets built to fill the gap from its East end to I-35 may not be built much wider than that. Going West of the MoPac TX-45 had a wider foot print, thanks to the existing frontage roads. A future toll road West to US-290 would have a wider, more roomy ROW friendly to faster speed limits. But there is still a lot of hills and homes in that area. The location were TX-45 would dovetail into US-290 has a growing retail sector. I would expect slower speed limits there.

sprjus4

Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 15, 2025, 10:18:05 AMThe TX-130 toll road is a unique case. The bypass goes through sparsely developed land on the East side of Austin. The terrain is more flat than the hilly areas West of I-35.

I wouldn't expect to see speed limits any faster than 70mph or 75mph on completed freeway sections of US-290 going out to Dripping Springs. If TX DOT builds a freeway around Dripping Springs to reach the US-281 corridor maybe that could get an 80mph limit (if the terrain is flat enough and sight lines are good enough).

The existing TX-45 toll road on Austin's South side has a 70mph speed limit. It's a skinny, minimalist design that's hardly any wider than some city streets. It has a shared use path next to it. Whatever gets built to fill the gap from its East end to I-35 may not be built much wider than that. Going West of the MoPac TX-45 had a wider foot print, thanks to the existing frontage roads. A future toll road West to US-290 would have a wider, more roomy ROW friendly to faster speed limits. But there is still a lot of hills and homes in that area. The location were TX-45 would dovetail into US-290 has a growing retail sector. I would expect slower speed limits there.
I honestly think we're not going to see any more 80 mph speed limits, unless there is a blanket increase statewide. Outside of the unique case of SH-130 / SH-45, and I-10 and I-20 in west Texas, Texas has not seemed interested in posting 80 mph speed limits anywhere else, even in areas that can easily handle them (I'm thinking of I-37, for example).

Bobby5280

Texas is an enormous state, but outside of segments of I-10 and I-20 the state doesn't have many other Interstate highways where an 80mph speed limit could be applied. I-35 is the only complete North-South I-corridor that goes across (and outside) the state. West of Fort Worth it's over 550 miles to the next North-South I-corridor in Las Cruces.

Perhaps portions of I-40 and I-27 in the Texas Panhandle could be given 80mph speed limits. They're mostly straight roads on mostly flat land. As far as I can tell they max out at 75mph currently. We have at least a couple turnpikes in Oklahoma which have segments signed with 80mph speed limits. These higher speed limits aren't just a Texas thing.

Maybe if I-27 is extended via the Ports to Plains Corridor effort it could carry 80mph speed limits on some of those new segments. If a lot more of I-69E, I-69C and I-69W are completed they could have 80mph speed limits. Those highways would pass through some very sparsely populated areas.

I don't know if I-37 would be a good enough candidate to have 80mph speed limits. It's an older highway. A bunch of its on/off ramp designs aren't so great for acceleration to or deceleration from 80mph speeds.

sprjus4

Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 16, 2025, 11:55:38 AMI don't know if I-37 would be a good enough candidate to have 80mph speed limits. It's an older highway. A bunch of its on/off ramp designs aren't so great for acceleration to or deceleration from 80mph speeds.
It's an older highway, but it's flat and wide open for virtually its entire length outside of San Antonio and Corpus Christi. Most traffic is comfortably moving 80+ mph.

I understand the ramp design concern, but if Texas is okay with a two lane road with at-grade intersections, turn offs, etc. being 75 mph, I can't see why a 5 mph bump on a limited access freeway with low volume ramps is the breaking point.

ElishaGOtis

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 16, 2025, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 16, 2025, 11:55:38 AMI don't know if I-37 would be a good enough candidate to have 80mph speed limits. It's an older highway. A bunch of its on/off ramp designs aren't so great for acceleration to or deceleration from 80mph speeds.
It's an older highway, but it's flat and wide open for virtually its entire length outside of San Antonio and Corpus Christi. Most traffic is comfortably moving 80+ mph.


I probably will mention that Texas has the following speed limit caps:
- 85 if the design speed is 85 or higher
- 80 if the design speed is 80
- 80 on specified segments of I-10 and I-20 (regardless of design speed)
- 75 everywhere else (regardless of design speed)

Many freeways in TX that have a speed limit of 75mph only have a design speed of 70mph. Unlike other states, TX seems to be more focused on setting based on the 85th percentile rather than the design alone. They seem to emphasize this by frequently referring to the design speed as "inferred design speed."

QuoteI understand the ramp design concern, but if Texas is okay with a two lane road with at-grade intersections, turn offs, etc. being 75 mph, I can't see why a 5 mph bump on a limited access freeway with low volume ramps is the breaking point.

KE = 0.5mV^2 to be fairly honest...
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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sprjus4

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on March 16, 2025, 05:29:51 PMI probably will mention that Texas has the following speed limit caps:
- 85 if the design speed is 85 or higher
- 80 if the design speed is 80
- 80 on specified segments of I-10 and I-20 (regardless of design speed)
- 75 everywhere else (regardless of design speed)
Correct, and only SH-130 and SH-45 have design speeds of 80 and 85 mph.

Those two roads and I-10 / I-20 are the only highways in Texas with a speed limit above 75 mph.

My point is, that should be amended to allow 80 mph not only on specified sections of I-10 / I-20, but also other rural interstate highways.

At least allow a study to be conducted to indicate if an increased speed limit would be safe, the same study that's done to determine 75 mph speed limits. I think it would find that a lot of rural interstate highways in Texas can safely handle the bump to 80 mph, including even I-30 in eastern Texas, I-40 across the Panhandle, I-27, and I-35 & I-37 south of San Antonio, etc.

I could even see 80 mph being safely implemented on the newly constructed 6 lane portions of I-10 between San Antonio and Houston, outside of urban areas. Especially as the rural portions continue to get widened further and further out. Similar to what Oklahoma did on I-44 west of Tulsa.

Road Hog

How much does governed truck traffic skew the 85th percentile though?

ElishaGOtis

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 16, 2025, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on March 16, 2025, 05:29:51 PMI probably will mention that Texas has the following speed limit caps:
- 85 if the design speed is 85 or higher
- 80 if the design speed is 80
- 80 on specified segments of I-10 and I-20 (regardless of design speed)
- 75 everywhere else (regardless of design speed)
Correct, and only SH-130 and SH-45 have design speeds of 80 and 85 mph.

Those two roads and I-10 / I-20 are the only highways in Texas with a speed limit above 75 mph.

My point is, that should be amended to allow 80 mph not only on specified sections of I-10 / I-20, but also other rural interstate highways.

At least allow a study to be conducted to indicate if an increased speed limit would be safe, the same study that's done to determine 75 mph speed limits. I think it would find that a lot of rural interstate highways in Texas can safely handle the bump to 80 mph, including even I-30 in eastern Texas, I-40 across the Panhandle, I-27, and I-35 & I-37 south of San Antonio, etc.

I could even see 80 mph being safely implemented on the newly constructed 6 lane portions of I-10 between San Antonio and Houston, outside of urban areas. Especially as the rural portions continue to get widened further and further out. Similar to what Oklahoma did on I-44 west of Tulsa.

Can the design speed be re-calculated on an existing roadway based on existing conditions? FL does this sometimes, and ND conducted a study in this exact way to justify the speed limit increase from 75 to 80.
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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74/171FAN

Quote from: kernals12 on March 21, 2025, 01:34:12 PMTxDOT held its public meeting concerning I-345. It's official, the freeway will not be removed and will remain 6 general purpose lanes with up to 4 auxiliary lanes. But it will be moved below grade and have various access changes. 9 acres of land will be freed up by those changes, not counting the 7 acres of capping opportunities.

This is so one year ago.... (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?msg=2915005)
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kernals12

Fort Bend County is equipping various school crossings with C-V2X that will send a warning to drivers in enabled vehicles when pedestrians are in the street https://www.traffictechnologytoday.com/news/safety/fort-bend-county-to-deploy-c-v2x-tech-to-improve-safety-around-schools.html

It's easy to see where this could go: autonomous vehicles with cellular receivers would be forced to stop.

bing101


Scott5114

The lawmaker proposing this bill lives several hours from I-35, and is proposing to rename the section of the highway that runs through the county with the lowest percentage of people voting for the person who the highway would be named after.

She must be just a joy to be around, bless her heart.
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xonhulu

Quote from: bing101 on March 23, 2025, 06:33:52 PMhttps://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/texas-lawmaker-proposes-renaming-i-35-president-trump/?intcid=CNR-01-0623

Here is one that is oddly being mentioned here.

Wouldn't I-45 make more sense since he was the 45th president?

ElishaGOtis

Quote from: xonhulu on March 24, 2025, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: bing101 on March 23, 2025, 06:33:52 PMhttps://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/texas-lawmaker-proposes-renaming-i-35-president-trump/?intcid=CNR-01-0623

Here is one that is oddly being mentioned here.

Wouldn't I-45 make more sense since he was the 45th president?

IH 35 has an internal border checkpoint  :sombrero:

Jk...
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 24, 2025, 12:08:57 AMThe lawmaker proposing this bill lives several hours from I-35, and is proposing to rename the section of the highway that runs through the county with the lowest percentage of people voting for the person who the highway would be named after.

She must be just a joy to be around, bless her heart.

In all honesty, that's probably why IH 35 was picked over IH 45...  :rolleyes:
I can drive 55 ONLY when it makes sense.

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sprjus4

From the article:

Quote"It is fitting that his designation is located in our state's capital, recognizing a president whose impact on Texas and the country is profound and enduring," Shofner's statement said, in part.

wxfree

Checking this month's minute orders, I saw an acquisition parcel I was interested in, so I consulted TxDOT's property asset map, where the ROW maps are.  It can also display property lines and acquisition parcels.  I noticed what I think is a new feature, and it took me to a really cool map, the Proposed Parcels map, showing where land is scheduled for future acquisition.  When you open it, it shows only dull hints, but when you zoom in the details appear.  It shows parcels under consideration, which end up showing you future routing plans for new and rerouted roads.

It shows the parcels for the extension of FM 2185, which is a project I've long had an interest in.  The north end was changed to FM 3541, and then back to 2185 when they decided that they would someday build the middle connection.  It's a very rural area, and I'm interested in how roads are planned in such places.  In the early days, SH 118 was designated in one step from Alpine to the national park.  Then they decided that was too eager, so they redesignated the road in steps rather than in its entirety.  New roads are uncommon in such isolated places, so this is my opportunity to observe the progress.

On the map you can see some of the I-69 bypasses at Riviera, Driscoll, and Premont.

https://gis-txdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/673886dbb3d74ef7891ba3a7b8b1c2b8/explore
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sprjus4

After 9 years of construction, lengthy delays, and much more... the new Harbor Bridge in Corpus Christi will be opening in early May (May 10 ribbon cutting). It will be the longest cable stay bridge in the United States.

https://x.com/txdot_corpus/status/1905632004432855271?s=42

thisdj78

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 28, 2025, 12:19:58 PMAfter 9 years of construction, lengthy delays, and much more... the new Harbor Bridge in Corpus Christi will be opening in early May (May 10 ribbon cutting). It will be the longest cable stay bridge in the United States.

https://x.com/txdot_corpus/status/1905632004432855271?s=42

I had forgotten about that bridge! Nice.



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