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Started by roadman65, July 14, 2012, 12:36:34 PM

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DJ Particle

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 11, 2020, 03:59:11 PM
In St. Paul, the interchange on I-35E at Pennsylvania Avenue was eliminated and replaced with one to the north at Cayuga Street when 35E was rebuilt and widened several years ago.

More than that...they moved the entire freeway about a block or so to the east in that area  *heh*.  :-D


Scott5114

I-35 used to have an exit to S.E. 82nd Street in Oklahoma City. It had some comically-steep ramps with a big hump toward the top. It was way too close to the I-35/I-240 interchange, so it was removed, first the northbound ramps in 2004, then the southbound ones just a few years ago.

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froggie

Quote from: DJ Particle on April 13, 2020, 02:26:39 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 11, 2020, 03:59:11 PM
In St. Paul, the interchange on I-35E at Pennsylvania Avenue was eliminated and replaced with one to the north at Cayuga Street when 35E was rebuilt and widened several years ago.

More than that...they moved the entire freeway about a block or so to the east in that area  *heh*.  :-D

Only over the Cayuga Bridge.  At Pennsylvania Ave proper, the "move" was on the order of only about 40 feet.  Today's southbound right lane over Pennsylvania Ave is roughly where the original median was.

cwf1701

In Detroit, there was some Left exits from I-94 at W. Grand Blvd and Warren that are no longer there. the WB ramps for W. Grand blvd and Warren was removed in the early 70s (after a new RH exit for Warren was built after the opening of I-96 to I-94) and the EB ramps was closed in 2016. for years, you could see the remains of the WB exits for W. Grand and Warren on the bridges after the ramps was removed (from where the ramps attach to the bridges)

catch22

Quote from: cwf1701 on April 13, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
In Detroit, there was some Left exits from I-94 at W. Grand Blvd and Warren that are no longer there. the WB ramps for W. Grand blvd and Warren was removed in the early 70s (after a new RH exit for Warren was built after the opening of I-96 to I-94) and the EB ramps was closed in 2016. for years, you could see the remains of the WB exits for W. Grand and Warren on the bridges after the ramps was removed (from where the ramps attach to the bridges)

I remember those left exit ramps.   When I was a wee lad, my father would drive me from the western suburbs to the YMCA on West Grand Blvd. and Dexter for swimming lessons, exiting off the freeway there.   If my memory serves, there was also a left entrance ramp from W. Grand onto WB I-94.

MikieTimT

I-40, Exit 109.  Old Morrilton rest stop.  Scene of a grisly murder/rape that caused the state to close down multiple rest stops in Arkansas.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1721826,-92.6980464,478m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

DJ Particle

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 14, 2020, 04:42:25 PM
I-40, Exit 109.  Old Morrilton rest stop.  Scene of a grisly murder/rape that caused the state to close down multiple rest stops in Arkansas.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1721826,-92.6980464,478m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I can see why...from a personal safety standpoint, that's a TERRIBLE rest area design!  😳

cwf1701

Quote from: catch22 on April 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: cwf1701 on April 13, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
In Detroit, there was some Left exits from I-94 at W. Grand Blvd and Warren that are no longer there. the WB ramps for W. Grand blvd and Warren was removed in the early 70s (after a new RH exit for Warren was built after the opening of I-96 to I-94) and the EB ramps was closed in 2016. for years, you could see the remains of the WB exits for W. Grand and Warren on the bridges after the ramps was removed (from where the ramps attach to the bridges)

I remember those left exit ramps.   When I was a wee lad, my father would drive me from the western suburbs to the YMCA on West Grand Blvd. and Dexter for swimming lessons, exiting off the freeway there.   If my memory serves, there was also a left entrance ramp from W. Grand onto WB I-94.

I Don't there was ever a left entrance ramp for WB-I-94 at W. Grand. for years, the old crossover for the WB exit ramp at W. Grand was used as a Michigan Left after the exit was removed. Most of my memories of the area was coming from Macomb County and passing those ramps on the way to the west side.

catch22

Quote from: cwf1701 on April 15, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: catch22 on April 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: cwf1701 on April 13, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
In Detroit, there was some Left exits from I-94 at W. Grand Blvd and Warren that are no longer there. the WB ramps for W. Grand blvd and Warren was removed in the early 70s (after a new RH exit for Warren was built after the opening of I-96 to I-94) and the EB ramps was closed in 2016. for years, you could see the remains of the WB exits for W. Grand and Warren on the bridges after the ramps was removed (from where the ramps attach to the bridges)

I remember those left exit ramps.   When I was a wee lad, my father would drive me from the western suburbs to the YMCA on West Grand Blvd. and Dexter for swimming lessons, exiting off the freeway there.   If my memory serves, there was also a left entrance ramp from W. Grand onto WB I-94.

I Don't there was ever a left entrance ramp for WB-I-94 at W. Grand. for years, the old crossover for the WB exit ramp at W. Grand was used as a Michigan Left after the exit was removed. Most of my memories of the area was coming from Macomb County and passing those ramps on the way to the west side.

You're right, my memory was wrong.  I found this aerial photo from 1956 that shows the intersection layout clearly (lower left of the image).  Thanks for the memory jog.

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/dte_aerial/part2/wayne/1956/ga-1-103.pdf

frankenroad

On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
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deathtopumpkins

Quote from: frankenroad on April 16, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I don't think I-75 ever had an interchange here. Looking at historic aerials, every image from 1959 to the present shows the road completed but no interchange. I'd guess those triangles of ROW are just for grading around the overpass.
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mgk920

Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on April 16, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I don't think I-75 ever had an interchange here. Looking at historic aerials, every image from 1959 to the present shows the road completed but no interchange. I'd guess those triangles of ROW are just for grading around the overpass.

It could have been ROW that was preserved for a potential future interchange that would be built when the area grew up to it.  OTOH, the modern design standards of the interstate highway system preclude that due to it being too close to other existing interchanges, so it stays like that, and can be easily sold off by the DOT for return to the local tax roles with little consequence.

There are a few such never-built 'ghost' interchanges on the east-west part of I-41 across the north side of the Appleton to Kaukauna, WI metro area, too.

Mike

3467

There were ramps on US 30 and 34 they were demolished in reconstruction some time ago. There were some ramps on the Kennedy Expressway near Western for a possible freeway. It was never even studied . Only the Crosstown meat Cicero was.

frankenroad

Quote from: mgk920 on April 17, 2020, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on April 16, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I don't think I-75 ever had an interchange here. Looking at historic aerials, every image from 1959 to the present shows the road completed but no interchange. I'd guess those triangles of ROW are just for grading around the overpass.

It could have been ROW that was preserved for a potential future interchange that would be built when the area grew up to it.  OTOH, the modern design standards of the interstate highway system preclude that due to it being too close to other existing interchanges, so it stays like that, and can be easily sold off by the DOT for return to the local tax roles with little consequence.

There are a few such never-built 'ghost' interchanges on the east-west part of I-41 across the north side of the Appleton to Kaukauna, WI metro area, too.

Mike

Below is a link to Ohio Highway maps by year.  Look at the maps from 1973 and 1974 - it disappeared that year.  Coincidentally, the 1974 map is the first one with mileage-based exit numbers; 1972 was the last for sequentially-numbered exits - the 1973 map does not have exit numbers.

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/TechServ/TIM/Pages/OfficialTransportationMaps.aspx
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coldshoulder

Quote from: frankenroad on April 17, 2020, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 17, 2020, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on April 16, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I don't think I-75 ever had an interchange here. Looking at historic aerials, every image from 1959 to the present shows the road completed but no interchange. I'd guess those triangles of ROW are just for grading around the overpass.

It could have been ROW that was preserved for a potential future interchange that would be built when the area grew up to it.  OTOH, the modern design standards of the interstate highway system preclude that due to it being too close to other existing interchanges, so it stays like that, and can be easily sold off by the DOT for return to the local tax roles with little consequence.

There are a few such never-built 'ghost' interchanges on the east-west part of I-41 across the north side of the Appleton to Kaukauna, WI metro area, too.

Mike

Below is a link to Ohio Highway maps by year.  Look at the maps from 1973 and 1974 - it disappeared that year.  Coincidentally, the 1974 map is the first one with mileage-based exit numbers; 1972 was the last for sequentially-numbered exits - the 1973 map does not have exit numbers.

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/TechServ/TIM/Pages/OfficialTransportationMaps.aspx

I live near Youngstown, Ohio, so I'm not familiar with this area or interchange; but looking at the Ohio 1971, 1972, and 1973 maps, they do show an interchange NOT at Allen Twp Rd 109, but one south of there at Twp Rd 101, just south of some railroad tracks (detail shown on 1973 map).  So that leads me to believe that the Allen Twp Rd 109 interchange ROW was acquired and graded, but never actually built or used.  And it would appear that the "paper" interchange at Twp. Rd. 101 also was never built.

There is a similar situation south of Youngstown, just northwest of Columbiana where OH-11 was supposed to have (potentially) a full cloverleaf interchange with a proposed eastward 4-lane extension from Salem of OH-14/US-62. The outline of that proposed interchange is clearly visible here:

https://goo.gl/maps/4axEfDw8mF7fuo4q7

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ftballfan

There do appear to be stubs on Township Road 101 at I-75, so an interchange may have existed there briefly: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1071101,-83.6595141,375m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Bitmapped

The southern split of US 42 and US 250 at Ashland, Ohio was converted from an interchange to an at-grade intersection a couple years ago:

Interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/9jmXUhpSmdT7wyvw8
Intersection: https://goo.gl/maps/M3NmBGNtNEr2qxj37

Roadsguy

Quote from: ftballfan on April 18, 2020, 10:38:32 AM
There do appear to be stubs on Township Road 101 at I-75, so an interchange may have existed there briefly: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1071101,-83.6595141,375m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Historic Aerials does show a pair of RIROs there in 1959. Before that, the road just jogged roughly along what is now the northbound lanes. The RIROs were removed by 1972, leaving the stubs that remain today.
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

theline

Quote from: Roadsguy on April 18, 2020, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 18, 2020, 10:38:32 AM
There do appear to be stubs on Township Road 101 at I-75, so an interchange may have existed there briefly: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1071101,-83.6595141,375m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Historic Aerials does show a pair of RIROs there in 1959. Before that, the road just jogged roughly along what is now the northbound lanes. The RIROs were removed by 1972, leaving the stubs that remain today.

My recollection was that this section of road was built first as a US-25 divided highway, which would allow for the original RIROs. Checking the 1959 Ohio highway map confirms this. When it was upgraded to a freeway to accommodate I-75, the RIROs had to go.

deathtopumpkins

Quote from: frankenroad on April 17, 2020, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 17, 2020, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on April 16, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
On I-75 at Allen Twp Rd 109 north of Findlay.  This image shows the outline pretty clearly, even though the exit has been gone 20 or 30 years.   Interestingly, the grading for the ramps has been taken away, but it appears the state still owns the land.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1243178,-83.6602816,702m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I don't think I-75 ever had an interchange here. Looking at historic aerials, every image from 1959 to the present shows the road completed but no interchange. I'd guess those triangles of ROW are just for grading around the overpass.

It could have been ROW that was preserved for a potential future interchange that would be built when the area grew up to it.  OTOH, the modern design standards of the interstate highway system preclude that due to it being too close to other existing interchanges, so it stays like that, and can be easily sold off by the DOT for return to the local tax roles with little consequence.

There are a few such never-built 'ghost' interchanges on the east-west part of I-41 across the north side of the Appleton to Kaukauna, WI metro area, too.

Mike

Below is a link to Ohio Highway maps by year.  Look at the maps from 1973 and 1974 - it disappeared that year.  Coincidentally, the 1974 map is the first one with mileage-based exit numbers; 1972 was the last for sequentially-numbered exits - the 1973 map does not have exit numbers.

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/TechServ/TIM/Pages/OfficialTransportationMaps.aspx

Looking at the 1973 map, I see an interchange at T 101, not T 109. And again, the 1972 aerial does not show an interchange, so it can't have disappeared between 1973 and 1974.

I think we can pretty conclusively say that there was never an interchange at 109.
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OCGuy81

Would the ghost ramps of the axed Mt Hood Freeway in Portland, OR count?

OracleUsr

What is now the Salem Parkway in Kernersville, NC, but was at one time Business 40, and before that just i-40, had an interchange for Colfax that used to split US 421 south from I-40 east until 421 was moved to Business 40.  It was a left exit (secret 205 pre-business 40, 16 business 40).  Now, to get to Colfax, you take the Macy Grove Road interchange (exit 17 old, now exit 221).  The old interchange was ripped out in 2015/2016.
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cwf1701

And to add in Ohio, the exit in Dayton for Little York/Stop eight Road on I-75 was removed a few years ago. on google maps, you can see the remains of the old exit on the satellite view
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8529301,-84.1914012,963m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

amroad17

Quote from: cwf1701 on April 26, 2020, 11:04:45 PM
And to add in Ohio, the exit in Dayton for Little York/Stop eight Road on I-75 was removed a few years ago. on google maps, you can see the remains of the old exit on the satellite view
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8529301,-84.1914012,963m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
The reason the above-named interchange was removed was to avoid much weaving when the I-75/I-70 interchange was re-done.  This interchange was less than 1/2 mile from the old I-70 ramps.  Since these ramps were lengthened in the upgrade, the Little York/Stop Eight interchange would be too close to the new ramps.  So, a new interchange was constructed at Wyse/Benchwood (1/2 mile south of the abandoned interchange) and Little York/Stop Eight was closed after Wyse/Benchwood opened in the early 2000's.

It was a fairly nice design of a RIRO interchange, though.
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