Signed state routes that dead-end

Started by BridgesToIdealism, July 23, 2020, 06:43:34 PM

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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 27, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 24, 2020, 08:13:50 AM
Indiana:

IN 111 and IN 166 dead end at the Ohio River. Several other state highways end at entrances to places like military facilities, state parks, state home/hospitals, quarries, where the road continues as a restricted-access road.
There is also IN 69 that ends at the Hovey Wetlands near the Ohio River.


The IN 69 designation ends well before the dead-end at the river, with other connecting roads in between.
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Flint1979

Quote from: cabiness42 on July 27, 2020, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 27, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 24, 2020, 08:13:50 AM
Indiana:

IN 111 and IN 166 dead end at the Ohio River. Several other state highways end at entrances to places like military facilities, state parks, state home/hospitals, quarries, where the road continues as a restricted-access road.
There is also IN 69 that ends at the Hovey Wetlands near the Ohio River.


The IN 69 designation ends well before the dead-end at the river, with other connecting roads in between.
Speaking of IN-69 what's with the strange curve it takes north of Mount Vernon? Does that have something to do with Indiana's stupid setup of not having state roads in cities?

Life in Paradise

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2020, 06:16:22 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 27, 2020, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 27, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 24, 2020, 08:13:50 AM
Indiana:

IN 111 and IN 166 dead end at the Ohio River. Several other state highways end at entrances to places like military facilities, state parks, state home/hospitals, quarries, where the road continues as a restricted-access road.
There is also IN 69 that ends at the Hovey Wetlands near the Ohio River.


The IN 69 designation ends well before the dead-end at the river, with other connecting roads in between.
Speaking of IN-69 what's with the strange curve it takes north of Mount Vernon? Does that have something to do with Indiana's stupid setup of not having state roads in cities?
I just remembered the IN-69 designation ended at a parking lot for Hovey.   There was a county road or two that also went into the lot.  Last time I was down that far was either in the late 80s when I worked in Mt. Vernon, or early 90s.

The weird curve of IN-69 was due to the completion of the eastern portion of the Mt. Vernon bypass.  Since the state put this in, they moved the state highway to the bypass rather than give the road a new state highway number.  IN-69 then twins with IN-62 through Mt. Vernon to hook up to the west portion.  One of the reasons of the bypass was for the truck traffic that goes to the Southwind Maritime Center/Port of Indiana-Mt. Vernon.  It's located on the east side of town, so with the bypass most of the truck traffic was taken off of city streets.  Posey County and the City of Mt. Vernon then said they would take care of the old IN-69 pavement.


jdb1234

AL 182 has a dead end western terminus in Gulf Shores.
AL 180 used to have a similar end in Orange Beach, but AL 180 was truncated to end at AL 161 instead.

kphoger

Quote from: zzcarp on July 25, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
Colorado Highway 150 dead ends at a campground at the Sand Dunes National Park. There is a 4WD road that diverges just before the terminus that goes up over Medano Pass.

I don't think that's correct.  Does C-150 end at the national park boundary?  The road keeps going, but it's no longer C-150.

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Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 25, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
Colorado Highway 150 dead ends at a campground at the Sand Dunes National Park. There is a 4WD road that diverges just before the terminus that goes up over Medano Pass.

I don't think that's correct.  Does C-150 end at the national park boundary?  The road keeps going, but it's no longer C-150.

It ends at the Park Boundary but there is no outlet road.  See my comments above regarding CO 150 and Mosca Pass. 

kphoger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2020, 03:21:14 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 03:11:10 PM

Quote from: zzcarp on July 25, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
Colorado Highway 150 dead ends at a campground at the Sand Dunes National Park. There is a 4WD road that diverges just before the terminus that goes up over Medano Pass.

I don't think that's correct.  Does C-150 end at the national park boundary?  The road keeps going, but it's no longer C-150.

It ends at the Park Boundary but there is no outlet road.  See my comments above regarding CO 150 and Mosca Pass. 

Which means it's not a dead end.

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 23, 2020, 06:50:38 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on July 23, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
What do you mean by dead end? As in the roadway just ends, with no road to turn onto to continue?

Yes

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 25, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
In terms of my original intent with the question, my intent was to identify cases of signed state routes that literally terminate at a dead-end; that is, with no outlet and not at the intersection of another road.

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Mapmikey

Quote from: epzik8 on July 26, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
There is a good number in Maryland with their unconventional system. MD 159 in Perryman stops at the Bush River, parallel to Amtrak and MARC's right of way. MD 177 ends at Gibson Island in Anne Arundel County. MD 272 stops at Elk Neck State Park in Cecil County. MD 24 in Edgewood in Harford County is a technicality because it ends at the Aberdeen Proving Ground gate, and you can't proceed without credentials. However, the road continues. Then there's MD 176, which ends at a point prior to a cul-de-sac in Anne Arundel County. It used to go out to US 1 in Elkridge in Howard County, but the construction of the MD 100 freeway during the 1990s split Dorsey Road in half. MD 100 replaced MD 176 in this area at the Baltimore-Washington Parkway interchange in the Hanover area. Today, the other half of Dorsey Road in part of MD 103.

Also signed in MD with dead ends...
MD 8
MD 18
MD 152 (most of the time)
MD 366
MD 413
MD 485
MD 591
MD 953

zzcarp

Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 03:24:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2020, 03:21:14 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 03:11:10 PM

Quote from: zzcarp on July 25, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
Colorado Highway 150 dead ends at a campground at the Sand Dunes National Park. There is a 4WD road that diverges just before the terminus that goes up over Medano Pass.

I don't think that's correct.  Does C-150 end at the national park boundary?  The road keeps going, but it's no longer C-150.

It ends at the Park Boundary but there is no outlet road.  See my comments above regarding CO 150 and Mosca Pass. 

Which means it's not a dead end.

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 23, 2020, 06:50:38 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on July 23, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
What do you mean by dead end? As in the roadway just ends, with no road to turn onto to continue?

Yes

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 25, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
In terms of my original intent with the question, my intent was to identify cases of signed state routes that literally terminate at a dead-end; that is, with no outlet and not at the intersection of another road.

I just checked CDOT's route log and state maintenance does end at the park boundary. Interestingly, it is still showed on the CDOT map in OTIS and on Google maps as CO 150 until the road dead-ends into a campground circle one-way loop. There's no pavement surface change to designate the end of the state maintenance, and signage is nonexistent north of LN 6A south of the entrance. It's a case of meeting the requirements a de facto dead end, if not de jure.
So many miles and so many roads

kphoger

Quote from: zzcarp on July 28, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
I just checked CDOT's route log and state maintenance does end at the park boundary. Interestingly, it is still showed on the CDOT map in OTIS and on Google maps as CO 150 until the road dead-ends into a campground circle one-way loop. There's no pavement surface change to designate the end of the state maintenance, and signage is nonexistent north of LN 6A south of the entrance. It's a case of meeting the requirements a de facto dead end, if not de jure.

Do you mean LN 6N?  That's where C-150 begins to parallel the park boundary.  The road doesn't actually cross the boundary until immediately after the Oasis Store (just off-camera to the right in the picture below).


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zzcarp

Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 28, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
I just checked CDOT's route log and state maintenance does end at the park boundary. Interestingly, it is still showed on the CDOT map in OTIS and on Google maps as CO 150 until the road dead-ends into a campground circle one-way loop. There's no pavement surface change to designate the end of the state maintenance, and signage is nonexistent north of LN 6A south of the entrance. It's a case of meeting the requirements a de facto dead end, if not de jure.

Do you mean LN 6N?  That's where C-150 begins to parallel the park boundary.  The road doesn't actually cross the boundary until immediately after the Oasis Store (just off-camera to the right in the picture below).



You win. I didn't remember that sign from my trip there. Good catch.
So many miles and so many roads

cl94

What I think is an exhaustive list for New York:

- NY 14 at Sodus Bay
- NY 25 at Orient Point
- NY 27 at Montauk Point
- NY 74 at Lake Champlain
- NY 373 at Lake Champlain
- NY 431 at Whiteface Mountain
- If we're including parkways, the Bay Parkway at Jones Beach State Park dies at a cul-de-sac, as does the Prospect Mountain Veterans Memorial Highway

NY 189 is a de-facto dead-end for people on it, as the border crossing is one way SB. With NY 421, the road continues as dirt for a little over a mile and is passable in a normal car before it degrades to logging roads that may or may not have a real outlet. That being said, the former alignment DID have a true dead end. NY 261 officially dies before Lake Ontario. A handful of decommissioned routes dead-ended when they existed.
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webny99

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Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 03:24:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2020, 03:21:14 PM
It ends at the Park Boundary but there is no outlet road.  See my comments above regarding CO 150 and Mosca Pass. 

Which means it's not a dead end.

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 23, 2020, 06:50:38 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 23, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
What do you mean by dead end? As in the roadway just ends, with no road to turn onto to continue?

Yes


If we take dead end literally, the thread itself becomes a dead end.

Road Hog

In anywhere outside of the Gulf shore or a state-line situation, I am not aware of many Texas state-maintained routes that dead-end. Usually they exist from one route to another route and any truncation takes place outside those bounds.

Municipal turnbacks appear to be the cause of most modern state route terminations deep in the hearta'. The only one close by that leaps to mind is FM 1417 that ends at McKinney city limits after the road was turned over to the city in 2001. Also, FM 1193 in Prosper used to terminate at Business 289 a mile west of the new-location route, but the business route (now Coleman Street) no longer exists, so 1193 terminates at Prosper's former main junction.

kphoger

Quote from: Road Hog on July 28, 2020, 04:57:32 PM
In anywhere outside of the Gulf shore or a state-line situation, I am not aware of many Texas state-maintained routes that dead-end. Usually they exist from one route to another route and any truncation takes place outside those bounds.

Municipal turnbacks appear to be the cause of most modern state route terminations deep in the hearta'. The only one close by that leaps to mind is FM 1417 that ends at McKinney city limits after the road was turned over to the city in 2001. Also, FM 1193 in Prosper used to terminate at Business 289 a mile west of the new-location route, but the business route (now Coleman Street) no longer exists, so 1193 terminates at Prosper's former main junction.

I've been trying to hunt down an FM route that dead-ends, but to no avail.

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MikieTimT

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AR-980.  Pretty much all of them.  Actually other than AR-612, any state highway route above 600.

jp the roadgeek

Technically it doesn't, but CT 184 in spirit ends at a dead end just beyond the RI border.  The road used to be part of CT/RI 84, and later served as a temporary I-95 until RI finished its portion.  The stub east of CT 216 that connected to RI 3 was dead ended.  Other than that, no other signed state routes in CT that do (just a couple of SSR's that enter state parks such as SSR 450 aka The Hammonasset Connector).  Every state route that approaches the coast loops back around. 

Speaking of RI, RI 108 dead ends at Point Judith.
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kphoger

Quote from: MikieTimT on July 28, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
AR-980.  Pretty much all of them.  Actually other than AR-612, any state highway route above 600.

Lake Wallace, south of Dermott?  I don't think AR-922 terminates at a dead end.

(Also, GSV indicates it's actually signed as 722.  What's up with that?)

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dvferyance

Wisconsin only has one WI-42 ends at the ferry terminal for Washington Island in Door County. It does have some county highways that dead end but there was already a thread for that.

mgk920

Quote from: dvferyance on July 30, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
Wisconsin only has one WI-42 ends at the ferry terminal for Washington Island in Door County. It does have some county highways that dead end but there was already a thread for that.

There is also no other ferry to that island, so it has no other outlet.

Mike

hobsini2

So if I understand this criteria correctly, WIS 42 qualifies since it ends at the Ferry to Washington Island. But WIS 136 does not qualify because it ends at County DL. Correct?
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dvferyance

Quote from: hobsini2 on August 01, 2020, 03:12:50 PM
So if I understand this criteria correctly, WIS 42 qualifies since it ends at the Ferry to Washington Island. But WIS 136 does not qualify because it ends at County DL. Correct?
No because it's not a dead end. The highway itself may end but as long as there is some outlet at the endpoint it would not make it a dead end state route.

kinupanda

Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2020, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 28, 2020, 04:57:32 PM
In anywhere outside of the Gulf shore or a state-line situation, I am not aware of many Texas state-maintained routes that dead-end. Usually they exist from one route to another route and any truncation takes place outside those bounds.

Municipal turnbacks appear to be the cause of most modern state route terminations deep in the hearta'. The only one close by that leaps to mind is FM 1417 that ends at McKinney city limits after the road was turned over to the city in 2001. Also, FM 1193 in Prosper used to terminate at Business 289 a mile west of the new-location route, but the business route (now Coleman Street) no longer exists, so 1193 terminates at Prosper's former main junction.

I've been trying to hunt down an FM route that dead-ends, but to no avail.
The west end of RM 1832 is at a Boy Scouts facility (GSV). Contrary to the map labels, TxDOT's planning map confirms that the designation ends as expected at the entrance, at what looks like a gate. Assuming that's what it is, this is technically a dead end when the gate is closed.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: Mapmikey on July 28, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 26, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
There is a good number in Maryland with their unconventional system. MD 159 in Perryman stops at the Bush River, parallel to Amtrak and MARC's right of way. MD 177 ends at Gibson Island in Anne Arundel County. MD 272 stops at Elk Neck State Park in Cecil County. MD 24 in Edgewood in Harford County is a technicality because it ends at the Aberdeen Proving Ground gate, and you can't proceed without credentials. However, the road continues. Then there's MD 176, which ends at a point prior to a cul-de-sac in Anne Arundel County. It used to go out to US 1 in Elkridge in Howard County, but the construction of the MD 100 freeway during the 1990s split Dorsey Road in half. MD 100 replaced MD 176 in this area at the Baltimore-Washington Parkway interchange in the Hanover area. Today, the other half of Dorsey Road in part of MD 103.

Also signed in MD with dead ends...
MD 8
MD 18
MD 152 (most of the time)
MD 366
MD 413
MD 485
MD 591
MD 953

MD 263 (Plum Point Road) in Calvert County.
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