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Jersey Jughandles

Started by signalman, May 24, 2009, 11:20:50 AM

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tradephoric

According to the wiki jughandle article:

QuoteStates that use jughandles prevalently include New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Illinois, Ohio, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New York, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Jughandles are particularly associated with New Jersey.

Going through the posts nobody has mentioned jughandles in Ohio, Maryland, Minnesota, New Hampshire, or the District of Columbia... not to say Wiki is always right about everything.

Also i put together a .KMZ file summarizing all the jughandles that have been listed so far on this thread (19 states total) and a few others that i found.  Here is the link for anyone interested:
http://www.mediafire.com/?7rrh5ropq4shr1c


NE2

"Prevalently" is definitely incorrect for most of those states. Probably only the ones near New Jersey could be said to have any real jughandular prevalence.

DC has a few on New York Avenue that are really just using intersecting streets. For example, to turn left onto North Capitol northbound, you use M Street. There are also a few where a street goes through a circle and you turn right around the circle to turn left. I don't know if they have any "pure" jughandles.
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vtk

I can think of one example in Ohio, and it's kind of backwards from the New Jersey prototype.  On US 20 EB just after I-75, U-turns are permitted.  Since the median is narrow and trucks are to be accommodated, there's a lot of extra pavement on the right side of US 20 WB to allow for wide turns.  I guess if there were a grass island involved, it would be more of a real jughandle.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

NE2

Quote from: vtk on November 05, 2011, 12:36:28 AM
I can think of one example in Ohio, and it's kind of backwards from the New Jersey prototype.  On US 20 EB just after I-75, U-turns are permitted.  Since the median is narrow and trucks are to be accommodated, there's a lot of extra pavement on the right side of US 20 WB to allow for wide turns.  I guess if there were a grass island involved, it would be more of a real jughandle.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/07033/
In particular, see "Location and Design of Loons" about halfway down. (I didn't know the term either until now.)
pre-1945 Florida route log

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yakra

New Hampshire had one on the NH9 Keene bypass on the north side of town.
They didn't like it, and got rid of it.

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That "jughandle" was so extreme, it looks like a trumpet ramp!
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jwolfer

Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

Alps

Quote from: jwolfer on May 09, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

How so? You've just added an extra phase to the light, which probably backs up your mainline AND side road several miles because now your throughput has passed the point of no return.

roadman65

Jughandles work great in keeping slow moving traffic in the right lanes at all times.  On two lane roads (like US 40 at NJ 47 in Malaga, NJ) it is not feasable though. 

Also,  for U Turning it works great on divided highways like on US 202 between the Somerville and Flemington Circles where NJDOT uses a backward jughandle instead of the traditional ones.  These allow a motorist to swing a wide turn by crossing over the opposing traffic lanes into the jughandle that loops around in the counter-clockwise movement you are turning in and returns to the highway where you can continue straight.  MOST OF ALL, if traffic is heavy, it allows you to speed across the two oncoming lanes and seek momentary shelter inside the jughandle until the next gap comes by and while facing the right direction you can accelerate quickly and safely into the flow.

On two lane roads is has no purpose and in the case of US 40 and NJ 47 all NJDOT needs to do is realign the two routes so they continue in the straight path they are in as in both sides of Malaga.  The multiplex is useless there and if you look at google satelite you can see that US 40 could be realigned to use an existing roadway to make it a straight path through this community and the same for NJ 47.  They both would meet at the current south-west end of the concurrency and have a normal intersection junction.
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kphoger

Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
backward jughandle instead of the traditional ones.  These allow a motorist to swing a wide turn by crossing over the opposing traffic lanes into the jughandle that loops around in the counter-clockwise movement you are turning in and returns to the highway where you can continue straight.  MOST OF ALL, if traffic is heavy, it allows you to speed across the two oncoming lanes and seek momentary shelter inside the jughandle until the next gap comes by and while facing the right direction you can accelerate quickly and safely into the flow.

This is the most common type seen on rural highways in México.  Usually they're for U-turning traffic only on four-lane surface highways (often near RIROs), but some areas (Guanajuato comes to mind) employ them for left-turning traffic as well at some intersections.

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Alps

Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2012, 02:34:58 PM

On two lane roads is has no purpose and in the case of US 40 and NJ 47 all NJDOT needs to do is realign the two routes so they continue in the straight path they are in as in both sides of Malaga.  The multiplex is useless there and if you look at google satelite you can see that US 40 could be realigned to use an existing roadway to make it a straight path through this community and the same for NJ 47.  They both would meet at the current south-west end of the concurrency and have a normal intersection junction.
They would have to build two new rail crossings - the whole reason 40/47 run together is to take advantage of a grade separation. The entire original route of 47 is intact, but it has an at-grade crossing at the northern end. Right now, NJDOT doesn't have the money to build more grade separations...

MASTERNC

The only jughandles I really hate are the ones that make you go through the intersection twice (where the jughandle is like a loop ramp).  There were two on Ridge Pike in Conshohocken, PA, but one was removed a few years ago.  The other one could probably be removed now that a business along the road has been abandoned.

jwolfer

Quote from: Steve on May 11, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 09, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

How so? You've just added an extra phase to the light, which probably backs up your mainline AND side road several miles because now your throughput has passed the point of no return.

I am no traffic engineer here so its just a preference and an amateur observation  Jughandles will increase the time needed for the cross road traffic, there is extra traffic on the side road so the greenlight phases have to be longer.  Jugnadlees male more traffic problems on the side road( e.g. Route 37 and 166 or Route 37 and Hooper Ave in Toms River)  So an extra phase or a longer green on the side road ends up being the same time wise. 

And come on now, both roads backed up for miles... a bit of an exaggeration; if it were so all 49 other states would be nothing but traffic back-ups. 

Alps

Quote from: jwolfer on May 17, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: Steve on May 11, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 09, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

How so? You've just added an extra phase to the light, which probably backs up your mainline AND side road several miles because now your throughput has passed the point of no return.

I am no traffic engineer here so its just a preference and an amateur observation  Jughandles will increase the time needed for the cross road traffic, there is extra traffic on the side road so the greenlight phases have to be longer.  Jugnadlees male more traffic problems on the side road( e.g. Route 37 and 166 or Route 37 and Hooper Ave in Toms River)  So an extra phase or a longer green on the side road ends up being the same time wise. 

And come on now, both roads backed up for miles... a bit of an exaggeration; if it were so all 49 other states would be nothing but traffic back-ups. 
NJ is a special case with the amount of congestion we have. Trust me, it's no exaggeration, I've seen it happen. The extra time needed for the side road is less than a separate phase would need because you've cut out an entire yellow-red progression and gone straight to the green.

roadman65

I just saw one on old PA 291 near Philadelphia International Airport. 
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elsmere241

Quote from: Steve on May 20, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
NJ is a special case with the amount of congestion we have. Trust me, it's no exaggeration, I've seen it happen. The extra time needed for the side road is less than a separate phase would need because you've cut out an entire yellow-red progression and gone straight to the green.

Traffic does seem to flow more smoothly in New Jersey than in northern Delaware - which does have a few jughandles, in rather odd places.

jwolfer

Quote from: Steve on May 20, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 17, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: Steve on May 11, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 09, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

How so? You've just added an extra phase to the light, which probably backs up your mainline AND side road several miles because now your throughput has passed the point of no return.

I am no traffic engineer here so its just a preference and an amateur observation  Jughandles will increase the time needed for the cross road traffic, there is extra traffic on the side road so the greenlight phases have to be longer.  Jugnadlees male more traffic problems on the side road( e.g. Route 37 and 166 or Route 37 and Hooper Ave in Toms River)  So an extra phase or a longer green on the side road ends up being the same time wise. 

And come on now, both roads backed up for miles... a bit of an exaggeration; if it were so all 49 other states would be nothing but traffic back-ups. 
NJ is a special case with the amount of congestion we have. Trust me, it's no exaggeration, I've seen it happen. The extra time needed for the side road is less than a separate phase would need because you've cut out an entire yellow-red progression and gone straight to the green.

Again I grew up in NJ, so I am familiar with jughandles.   Other cities and states use left turn signals are not complete gridlock.  I dont see Los Angeles, Miami or Atlanta being freed from congestion if only they had jughandles.

New Jersey for the amount of traffic has way too many 2 lane roads. If it were in Florida,  US 9 in Lakewood and Toms River would be a 6 lane highway not a 2 lane road built in the 1930s.  All of Route 70 would be 4 lanes with   6-8 lanes in Cherry Hill, Brick and Toms River.


PHLBOS

The only time I've heard the term jughandle used for a Massachusetts road was for the one along US 1 in Peabody, just north of the I-95/MA 128 interchange and Dearborn Road.

Other jughandles in the Bay State include:

Revere: MA 1A and Mills Ave.

Sturbridge: US 20 just west of I-84, connector road to the State Police barracks.

Quote from: roadman65 on June 22, 2012, 08:16:28 AM
I just saw one on old PA 291 near Philadelphia International Airport. 
It's still there.  Prior to 291 being relocated onto Bartram Ave., that jughandle was the main access ramp from then-291 Westbound to the airport.

Quote from: MASTERNC on May 16, 2012, 11:28:59 PM
The only jughandles I really hate are the ones that make you go through the intersection twice (where the jughandle is like a loop ramp).  There were two on Ridge Pike in Conshohocken, PA, but one was removed a few years ago.  The other one could probably be removed now that a business along the road has been abandoned.
Actually, that one (Allan Wood Road) is more likely to stay because of Ikea now being located just south of that intersection. 

Truth be told, I didn't realize the other one (for Chemical Road) was gone until you mentioned it.
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roadman65

Quote from: jwolfer on June 22, 2012, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: Steve on May 20, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 17, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: Steve on May 11, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 09, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Jerseyman4 on July 31, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
I approve of Jughandles and would like to see them expand nationwide. 3 way intersections that see a lot of left turns would be a good place to start.

Take that back!!   I despise jughandles  ( BTW I grew up and learned to drive in NJ) In my mind a good left turn lane with decent signal control works better in almost all situations

How so? You've just added an extra phase to the light, which probably backs up your mainline AND side road several miles because now your throughput has passed the point of no return.

I am no traffic engineer here so its just a preference and an amateur observation  Jughandles will increase the time needed for the cross road traffic, there is extra traffic on the side road so the greenlight phases have to be longer.  Jugnadlees male more traffic problems on the side road( e.g. Route 37 and 166 or Route 37 and Hooper Ave in Toms River)  So an extra phase or a longer green on the side road ends up being the same time wise. 

And come on now, both roads backed up for miles... a bit of an exaggeration; if it were so all 49 other states would be nothing but traffic back-ups. 
NJ is a special case with the amount of congestion we have. Trust me, it's no exaggeration, I've seen it happen. The extra time needed for the side road is less than a separate phase would need because you've cut out an entire yellow-red progression and gone straight to the green.

Again I grew up in NJ, so I am familiar with jughandles.   Other cities and states use left turn signals are not complete gridlock.  I dont see Los Angeles, Miami or Atlanta being freed from congestion if only they had jughandles.

New Jersey for the amount of traffic has way too many 2 lane roads. If it were in Florida,  US 9 in Lakewood and Toms River would be a 6 lane highway not a 2 lane road built in the 1930s.  All of Route 70 would be 4 lanes with   6-8 lanes in Cherry Hill, Brick and Toms River.


I agree with you there, but FL also does not have the state maintain signals either.  The cities and counties run the signals and they see all roads whether highway or street the same and that is why you have congestion on FL 436 and OBT. 

I have seen OBT turn into an urban boulevard from a rural highway in the last twenty years.  If you widened US 9 in Lakewood it would turn into another OBT without the hookers struting down the sidewalk.  It would not be a nicer through route than it is now.

True, NJ has way too many 2 lane roads like NJ 31, US 206, and even US 9 like you said.  Most of all they need upgrading!  However, NJ is broke and cannot afford even to keep some of the roads maintained that they already have.  Look at I-287 that needs to be 8-10 lanes from Somerville to the NJ Turnpike to start to handle the traffic of the Central Jersey Business Corridor and why US 206 and NJ 31 have only been widened in small sections.

Heck, the Hillsborough Bypass is on halt and the Flemington Bypass of NJ 31 has been on the table for decades.  Originally NJDOT wanted to do what Florida did on NJ 31 in Flemington, but community business owners objected to this and the bypass became a vision.

New Jersey has lots of high property taxes, granted, but that still is never enough.  Other alternatives are needed that I will not post cause of our political correct society.
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swbrotha100

I have a love-hate relationship with them. But they're as much a part of NJ as the "Jersey Freeway".

WNYroadgeek

NY 77 at the entrance to Darien Lake: http://goo.gl/maps/JM1g

tradephoric

A Jersey Jughandle/Michigan left hybrid at M-53 & 15 Mile Road in Metro Detroit.  Maybe the jughandle is designed for large 18-wheelers that find it difficult navigating the turnarounds?  If you want to make a left you have multiple options at this intersection.

http://maps.google.com/?ll=42.55098,-83.02855&z=17&t=h

flowmotion

A couple small 'jughandle' type intersections in San Francisco:

Oak/Fell @ Stanyan at the entrance to Golden Gate Park: http://goo.gl/maps/zG56d

Portola @ Burnett:  http://goo.gl/maps/rupZR

PurdueBill

Don't forget the unusual-for-Massachusetts reverse jughandles on the marsh road in Saugus.    Not too many of those in Mass.

Also seen from time to time in that general neck of the woods are pseudo-jughandles that are like a cloverleap ramp--go through the intersection once, then pass through again after taking the ramp.  Manchester, NH has specimens like this one for u-turns on South Willow St./NH 28 (signed with TO REVERSE DIRECTION ----> at the entrance) with u-turns prohibited at the signal on Willow.  A much tighter-radius version is seen in Newark, Del. to turn left from So. College Ave NB to Chestnut Hill WB.  Both styles are not traditional jughandles (of a jughandle shape) but do the same job.



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