New Jersey

[74/171FAN]

What are current cash rates for Port Authority Crossings between NJ and NY?

I ask cause a photo on social media says it went over $20. Don't want to a share article if it turns out AI and have moderator Rothman chastise me if it is.

https://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/en/tolls.html

Well a $22.38 bill by mail rate is over $20.

[roadman65]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

[Rothman]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

Commuters can just take the train...

[Plutonic Panda]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

Commuters can just take the train...

In this type of logic is exactly why a lot of people start opposing mass transit. I don't agree with that. They need to widen the roads too.

[Roadgeek Adam]

$18.31

[roadman65]

Pandora's box is been opened.  No one can shut it now.

[Rothman]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

Commuters can just take the train...

In this type of logic is exactly why a lot of people start opposing mass transit. I don't agree with that. They need to widen the roads too.

I don't know.  I find both transit and roads to be convenient for access to NYC in particular and I commuted myself by transit when I lived and worked in the DC area.

Given improvements in congestion since the 1980s in the NYC metro, it would help if federal administrations would not interfere with plans to bring improvements to the entire system (e.g., the whole tunnel drama).  That's more significant than the tolls a whole lot of people are still willing to pay.

[NJRoadfan]

I generally train it into Manhattan. If I'm driving, its like most people, its passing through to one of the outer boros or the rest of Long Island. More of that traffic still is freight on trucks that could be on a train if there was a way for one to easily cross the Hudson south of Albany!

[D-Dey65]

I recently learned from a fellow Wikipedian that the supposedly "former" segment of US 9 between Cape May County Road 623 in Mamora, and the former Beesleys Point Bridge was still officially part of US 9. That should not be. I say US Truck Route 9 should be replaced by mainline US 9 in an overlap with CR 623 from Shore Road to the Garden State Parkway,  and then follow the parkway in an overlap to Exit 28. The current section north of there should be decommissioned by the USDOT, and that section should get a county designation like "Old CR 9," possibly in an overlap with "Historic US 9."

[pderocco]

I recently learned from a fellow Wikipedian that the supposedly "former" segment of US 9 between Cape May County Road 623 in Mamora, and the former Beesleys Point Bridge was still officially part of US 9. That should not be. I say US Truck Route 9 should be replaced by mainline US 9 in an overlap with CR 623 from Shore Road to the Garden State Parkway,  and then follow the parkway in an overlap to Exit 28. The current section north of there should be decommissioned by the USDOT, and that section should get a county designation like "Old CR 9," possibly in an overlap with "Historic US 9."

Here's a sign that would seem to confirm that:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rhi2NHoKsTqAPh9C6

There's also signage that implies that the GSP from CR-623 up to the bridge is part of US-9, but they could have simply left off the TO banner. DOTs are generally good at everything to do with roads except signage. This map (PDF) makes it look like there's a gap in US-9 where the old bridge used to be, and that it start up again where it splits off from the GSP.

https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/gis/maps/capemay.pdf

[jeffandnicole]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

Commuters can just take the train...

In this type of logic is exactly why a lot of people start opposing mass transit. I don't agree with that. They need to widen the roads too.

How do you widen roads in New York City? Knock down every building?

[The Ghostbuster]

There would be only two ways to add more lanes to NYC roads. Build them underground or build them on top of existing roads. Neither are likely to be popular.

[Plutonic Panda]

I could have checked it yeah, but I was too busy, but thanks.

Although it is hard to believe that its just that expensive from just $15 recently.  Plus the non road community is probably asking the age old question of why the tolls in the first place and such.

Glad I don't commute there, and even more glad I don't drive on NYC streets and pay that congestion pricing.

Commuters can just take the train...

In this type of logic is exactly why a lot of people start opposing mass transit. I don't agree with that. They need to widen the roads too.

How do you widen roads in New York City? Knock down every building?

Elevated bridges and tunnels just like trains use.

[Roadgeek Adam]

You're gonna love the cost for all that, which is never gonna happen for a million reasons that don't have to do with money.

[Dough4872]

There would be only two ways to add more lanes to NYC roads. Build them underground or build them on top of existing roads. Neither are likely to be popular.

Doesn't Chicago have multilevel streets in the downtown area though?

[storm2k]

There would be only two ways to add more lanes to NYC roads. Build them underground or build them on top of existing roads. Neither are likely to be popular.

Doesn't Chicago have multilevel streets in the downtown area though?

They do. There's even a Lower Lower Wacker Drive that you have to go to when your car gets impounded.

[NE2]

There would be only two ways to add more lanes to NYC roads. Build them underground or build them on top of existing roads. Neither are likely to be popular.

Doesn't Chicago have multilevel streets in the downtown area though?

And Manhattan has a couple in the way upper west side. But those are there because of terrain.

[NE2]

https://dspace.njstatelib.org/items/45045b9e-cb23-45c3-a94d-85405f993551
First time I've seen the NJ 56 freeway (Deepwater to Mays Landing via Millville). But note: "For easy identification, freeways with no designations have been given numbers of nearby major highways or temporary numbers. Permanent numbering will be established at a later date."

[Dough4872]

https://dspace.njstatelib.org/items/45045b9e-cb23-45c3-a94d-85405f993551
First time I've seen the NJ 56 freeway (Deepwater to Mays Landing via Millville). But note: "For easy identification, freeways with no designations have been given numbers of nearby major highways or temporary numbers. Permanent numbering will be established at a later date."

I thought this was proposed as NJ 60.

[NE2]

https://dspace.njstatelib.org/items/45045b9e-cb23-45c3-a94d-85405f993551
First time I've seen the NJ 56 freeway (Deepwater to Mays Landing via Millville). But note: "For easy identification, freeways with no designations have been given numbers of nearby major highways or temporary numbers. Permanent numbering will be established at a later date."

I thought this was proposed as NJ 60.

Not via Millville. 60 is also on the maps.

[Roadgeek Adam]

(The Press of Atlantic City, December 27, 1966 pg 14)

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://42freeway.com/roads/atlantic-city-expressway-cashless-tolls-start-january-4th/

Cashless tolling is coming to the ACE on/after January 4th.

[Rothman]

https://42freeway.com/roads/atlantic-city-expressway-cashless-tolls-start-january-4th/

Cashless tolling is coming to the ACE on/after January 4th.

My word.  Finally.

[roadman65]

That's old news. If a road agency keeps the cash tolls it would be news.

Anyway I was going through my photos of US 40 in Carneys Point, and noticed two US and state mixup there. US 48 and US 140 are signed WB on US 40 at state routes 48 and 140.

Talk about errors. Two in a row is a true error.  Usually mistakes like this are sporadic.

Also where does NJ Route 73 actually terminate? I always thought that it was at Exit 32 on the ACE because signage disappears at that location for CR 561 Spur. Yet some sources say it officially ends at US 322 in Folsom.

NJDOT dont acknowledge NJ 73 at all on US 322 in Folsom, but neither do they acknowledge NJ 42 in Williamstown.

[vdeane]

That's old news. If a road agency keeps the cash tolls it would be news.

Anyway I was going through my photos of US 40 in Carneys Point, and noticed two US and state mixup there. US 48 and US 140 are signed WB on US 40 at state routes 48 and 140.

It's still the very first toll road (ie, not a bi-state bridge) in NJ to switch to AET.