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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #200 on: January 22, 2017, 10:53:36 PM »

And you still don't get after I laid out what it takes to put in a 6 (3 each way) lane interstate for ROW that it is going to be thousands of home and businesses affected. Your estimate was so low in a very densely populated area that it is laughable.


I still count a hundred. Thirty or so in the city, maybe seventy north of the Sanship river. Even IF it were two? Where or what sat photos are you looking at that the number of houses/businesses would ever get to "thousands"? Many thousand trees (which would be replaced), for sure.

Just grade-separating the CNRR at Harlem and Cermak/1st Av initially is probably more of a priority.


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As much as Id like to see an EB enter/WB exit at Mannheim, its just too hectic. This, just down Roosevelt is better.
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As far as what SHOULD be done to the IKE immediately...

Get the right shoulders up to lanes, build new shoulders/breakdown lanes in the numerous places they can be. Its going to have to be done anyway.

If we are talking tolled lanes on the Ike (big pia), why not just build a NEW tollway bypassing the IKE? Also including tolled lanes on XIke.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #201 on: January 24, 2017, 10:07:37 AM »

There goes Mr. Hypotenuse running his mouth again...I don't see any possible way that they could widen I-290 beyond its configuration, and it looks as crowded as it is. I-90 is more than adequate running out of the northwestern suburbs.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #202 on: January 24, 2017, 11:14:02 PM »

There goes Mr. Hypotenuse running his mouth again...I don't see any possible way that they could widen I-290 beyond its configuration, and it looks as crowded as it is. I-90 is more than adequate running out of the northwestern suburbs.

"I don't see any possible way that they could widen I-290 beyond its configuration, and it looks as crowded as it is. I-90 is more than adequate running out of the northwestern suburbs."

And I agree completely. So WHY do it? Cookco needs TWO complete tollways.

Hence the call to connect the dots at the Strangler and the Skyway and bypass the Ike, putting a tollway where one needs to be put. Its hard to find a RR ROW that does not have a parallel road. This would be one, through a critical place in the regions, even Americas road/RR infrastructure. If not now, when? Another twenty, fifty years from now?

What IS "C11 OTHER"?.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #203 on: January 26, 2017, 07:24:59 PM »

The call? You are the only one calling for it.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2017, 11:57:48 PM »

Well it's called deal with it, don't try a build another highway that doesn't even take you into downtown just to be a bypass around the Eisenhower.

And why worry about C11 anyways.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #205 on: January 27, 2017, 01:42:04 PM »

Why? Cuz spending 2-3$B to cram two tolled lanes (the current preferred alternative is HOT 3+, with an estimated 56% :confused: time savings in those 2 lanes and a measly 25% improvement in the 6 free lanes) into Congress Ike is a pretty big slab of salami to throw at the wall to see if it sticks. After going to the recent IDOT meetings and talking to some of the engineers/consultants, I get the feeling they are not completely confident this will solve the "problem" either. How the H is that going to get configured between Mannheim and the Strangler? :wow: My crystal ball says not well and ask again later.

"WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIPE OUT CONGESTION AS WE KNOW IT ON THE EISENHOWER, but we're going to provide a RELIABLE trip," Pete Harmet (IDOT) said.

Well, Im looking for a lot more bang for the $Bs. Why NOT wipe out congestion on the Ike (and some on 90/94) as we know it? A plan for "C11 Other" in the following EIS has been submitted (yet again).

http://eisenhowerexpressway.com/pdfs/i290%20alternatives%20evaluation%20summary2013apr02.pdf



A priority should be getting these trucks (and a bunch of cars) OFF this road, heading more directly to where they are going. IKE widening will not accomplish that...



Jumping the Strangler, building a/the missing link in Americas longest tollway (giving another way for places as far flung as WI & MN another way to get around the lake and head east), accessing downtown from the south (via I-55) as well, bypassing the Congress Ike completely, and getting tons of mostly truck traffic headed to the numerous rail and truck terminals around I-55 off the Ike and arterials Cicero, Pulaski, Harlem, 1st, Roosevelt, Cermak, etal, grade separating one of the original RRs here, would be a major accomplishment to get things moving all over the area.

Keep Congress Ike free. Its just not worth the hoops that will have to be jumped through to accommodate two HOV lanes.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #206 on: January 31, 2017, 12:41:15 PM »

building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
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« Reply #207 on: January 31, 2017, 02:10:07 PM »

building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
Actually, it has moved up a notch to a formal submission for "C11 Other".

Dont you have some more inspirational WI notes to post? Must be a slow news day up there in Wherethefami,WI..

Kind of the opposite of that fictional highway called "I-43" to Beloit.

Are there ANY WI "fictional highways"? I think they have ALL been built.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #208 on: January 31, 2017, 02:29:17 PM »

building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
Kinda the opposite of that fictional highway called "I-43" to Beloit.

Please STFU.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #209 on: January 31, 2017, 03:02:20 PM »

I doubt even that will kill dzlsabe's Hypotenuse. It should have long ago gone to Fictional Highways.
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« Reply #210 on: January 31, 2017, 03:19:15 PM »

building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
Kinda the opposite of that fictional highway called "I-43" to Beloit.

What does that even mean? Jesus, man. Take your meds.
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« Reply #211 on: January 31, 2017, 06:34:25 PM »

building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
Dont you have some more inspirational WI notes to post?

Kinda the opposite of that fictional highway called "I-43" to Beloit.

Can you please stay on topic dipshit?
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2017, 08:19:29 PM »

DZ, your idea that "cross country trucks" are the ones clogging up the Ike is not accurate.
1) Most cross country trucks that are going through town to somewhere else use the 290 Extension to the Tri-State or the Tri-State itself.
2) Those other cross country trucks are using the Ike because, OH MY GODT, their destination is along the Ike corridor.
3) Only the idiots who can't read a fucking map would use the Ike to go from say Rockford to South Bend and beyond.

So your whole premise for the need of your Hypo vs what the state has proposed is wrong and loony.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #213 on: February 01, 2017, 10:06:32 PM »

^^Exactly.  Trucks don't clog up the Ike, they're mostly on the Stevenson, heading to/from the intermodal yards near Joliet.
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« Reply #214 on: February 01, 2017, 10:59:12 PM »

DZ, your idea that "cross country trucks" are the ones clogging up the Ike is not accurate.
1) Most cross country trucks that are going through town to somewhere else use the 290 Extension to the Tri-State or the Tri-State itself.
2) Those other cross country trucks are using the Ike because, OH MY GODT, their destination is along the Ike corridor.
3) Only the idiots who can't read a fucking map would use the Ike to go from say Rockford to South Bend and beyond.

So your whole premise for the need of your Hypo vs what the state has proposed is wrong and loony.

1)I NEVER said cross country trucks are using the IKE. Some may be. I would figure most are going to/fro rail/truck terminals within five miles of Cicero for local or interstate trips.
2) Doubt there is many along an IKE corridor as per 1).
3) Not sure who you are talking about, but by idiots, I would guess you mean that it is IDOT, ISHTA and RRs, etal that can not see the "problem" from SPACE. And as IDOT has stated, HOVing (for $3B and eight? years) the IKE WILL NOT solve the "problem".

We have plenty of WI residents spouting here. What would WI do? They have built every "fictional" highway for their 6M pop state. They can go every which way but EAST.

@Brandon-CMAP estimates 1/6 of the traffic on the IKE is trucks headed NOT to Fing Joliet.

$3B would go a long way to completing a 16 mile tollway link in a thousand mile tollway...with non-IDOT funding.

Happy to be the "fly in this ointment". HOV Ike may be dummer than Illiana.
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Re: I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback
« Reply #215 on: February 02, 2017, 06:34:53 AM »

Yes, DZ, your Hypo is dumber than anything actually.
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« Reply #216 on: February 02, 2017, 11:39:21 AM »

Anyone ever notice how he goes back and edits his posts days later? It's like his meds finally kick in and he realizes that he posted some really stupid stuff, so he cleans it up. Then they wear off, and he comes back and writes things that get progressively crazier.

It's kind of fun watching him top his own crazy crap with even crazier crap! :-D
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« Reply #217 on: February 02, 2017, 11:45:06 AM »

Anyone ever notice how he goes back and edits his posts days later? It's like his meds finally kick in and he realizes that he posted some really stupid stuff, so he cleans it up. Then they wear off, and he comes back and writes things that get progressively crazier.

It's kind of fun watching him top his own crazy crap with even crazier crap! :-D

I'm curious if he actually believes this is a good idea or if he's just trolling.
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« Reply #218 on: February 02, 2017, 01:54:34 PM »

Anyone ever notice how he goes back and edits his posts days later? It's like his meds finally kick in and he realizes that he posted some really stupid stuff, so he cleans it up. Then they wear off, and he comes back and writes things that get progressively crazier.

It's kind of fun watching him top his own crazy crap with even crazier crap! :-D

I'm curious if he actually believes this is a good idea or if he's just trolling.

I don't think he's clever enough to troll. Some other social issues? Perhaps.
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« Reply #219 on: February 02, 2017, 02:20:17 PM »

Please don't feed the troll!   :-D
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« Reply #220 on: February 02, 2017, 06:22:30 PM »

Please don't feed the troll!   :-D

We try, he then decides to resurrect the thread months later with the same crap.
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« Reply #221 on: February 03, 2017, 06:30:26 PM »

DZ, don't lie. You edited it out 3 hours after my last post.

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You did say Cross Country Trucks.
At least if you didn't mean that, own up to it being a mistake. By editing and then saying you never said that, you lose what little credibility you had.
building a/the missing link

Stop. The only "missing link" is a fictional highway.
Actually, it has moved up a notch to a formal submission for "C11 Other".

Dont you have some more inspirational WI notes to post? Must be a slow news day up there in Wherethefami,WI..

Kind of the opposite of that fictional highway called "I-43" to Beloit.

Are there ANY WI "fictional highways"? I think they have ALL been built.
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« Reply #222 on: February 03, 2017, 06:50:53 PM »

DZ, your idea that "cross country trucks" are the ones clogging up the Ike is not accurate.
1) Most cross country trucks that are going through town to somewhere else use the 290 Extension to the Tri-State or the Tri-State itself.
2) Those other cross country trucks are using the Ike because, OH MY GODT, their destination is along the Ike corridor.
3) Only the idiots who can't read a fucking map would use the Ike to go from say Rockford to South Bend and beyond.

So your whole premise for the need of your Hypo vs what the state has proposed is wrong and loony.

1)I NEVER said cross country trucks are using the IKE. Some may be. I would figure most are going to/fro rail/truck terminals within five miles of Cicero for local or interstate trips.
2) Doubt there is many along an IKE corridor as per 1).
3) Not sure who you are talking about, but by idiots, I would guess you mean that it is IDOT, ISHTA and RRs, etal that can not see the "problem" from SPACE. And as IDOT has stated, HOVing (for $3B and eight? years) the IKE WILL NOT solve the "problem".

We have plenty of WI residents spouting here. What would WI do? They have built every "fictional" highway for their 6M pop state. They can go every which way but EAST.

@Brandon-CMAP estimates 1/6 of the traffic on the IKE is trucks headed NOT to Fing Joliet.

$3B would go a long way to completing a 16 mile tollway link in a thousand mile tollway...with non-IDOT funding.

Happy to be the "fly in this ointment". HOV Ike may be dummer than Illiana.

The idiots, beside yourself, that I was referring to are the cross country truckers who are driving thru that would use the Ike instead of 294 or 80.

You aren't a fly in the ointment. You're just a self righteous Orwellian radiator who can't figure out context in statements as demonstrated by your question of who the idiots are. But that's not why you called.
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« Reply #223 on: February 03, 2017, 06:52:11 PM »

Oh and BTW, the Wisconsin residents that are commenting here at least have demonstrated that they can understand how stupid you are.
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« Reply #224 on: February 04, 2017, 01:04:54 AM »

What do I have to "lie" about exactly?

There are three NS roadways (94, 294, 355, even 39 if ya want a fourth) that dump into I-80 to go east. The only access to I-90 (Skyway/ITR etal) is the Kennedy/Ryan or going through Ike/Strangler, both of which are major CFs. Who wants to spend money on NW Tollway or Skyway/ITR when you HAVE to face that? We have tried bypassing, widening, rearranging road signs. And now we are planning to widen and HOV/toll the Ike in another desperate attempt to "fix the problem". Even IDOT admits it will not "wipe out congestion on the Ike as we know it".

I have been pretty steadfast in pointing out that only one thing will SOLVE the problem. A second complete tollway through Cookco. Its not local. Its GLOBAL. Getting the south (even west?) side/NWIN up to snuff is a win-win.
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