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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1125 on: October 29, 2019, 04:21:06 PM »

Speaking of PA-28, are they ever going to renumber the exits to mileage-based? I know the existing freeway wasn't 100% complete when the mileage-based conversion occurred statewide in 2001, but I think it is high time PA-28 underwent a similar exit renumbering.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1126 on: October 29, 2019, 04:31:48 PM »

There were no plans to renumber any of PennDOT's US or PA designated expressways that have exit numbers.  The 2001 conversion was just for roadways that are limited-access in their entirety (except I-579 and I-676).

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1127 on: October 29, 2019, 07:20:22 PM »

PennDOT should honestly just start generally numbering exits on all expressways.

I wonder why PA 28 was given exit numbers at all, when other similar suburban and rural non-Interstate expressways like US 219 never got any. From a quick check of historic GSV, the PA 60 expressway had sequential exit numbers as well until it was made I-376.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1128 on: October 29, 2019, 07:27:24 PM »

It appears to be a district-by-district basis as only Districts 4, 5, 8, and 11 have non-Interstate expressways with exit numbers, and only one or two at most in each.

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1129 on: October 29, 2019, 10:50:00 PM »

PennDOT should honestly just start generally numbering exits on all expressways.

I wonder why PA 28 was given exit numbers at all, when other similar suburban and rural non-Interstate expressways like US 219 never got any. From a quick check of historic GSV, the PA 60 expressway had sequential exit numbers as well until it was made I-376.
PA-309 North Cross Valley Expressway and PA-29 South Cross Valley Expressway in the Wilkes-Barre area both have exit numbers, but PA-283 between Harrisburg and Lancaster, US-30 between Coatesville and Exton, and US-202 between West Chester and King of Prussia don't have exit numbers.  Is it a district thing, I wonder?
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1130 on: October 30, 2019, 07:06:13 AM »

PA-309 North Cross Valley Expressway and PA-29 South Cross Valley Expressway in the Wilkes-Barre area both have exit numbers, but PA-283 between Harrisburg and Lancaster, US-30 between Coatesville and Exton, and US-202 between West Chester and King of Prussia don't have exit numbers.  Is it a district thing, I wonder?

And if so, why is PennDOT allowing it to be so?

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1131 on: October 30, 2019, 10:52:04 AM »

Hell while we're at it, I wish PennDOT would post mileage on their surface traffic routes. An enhanced mile marker at every half mile (ala what NJ has done) would make the system easier to traverse especially in locations where routes are hard to follow (looking right at you Philly).
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1132 on: October 30, 2019, 11:46:06 AM »

Hell while we're at it, I wish PennDOT would post mileage on their surface traffic routes. An enhanced mile marker at every half mile (ala what NJ has done) would make the system easier to traverse especially in locations where routes are hard to follow (looking right at you Philly).

Agree that the EMM's on surface roads would be a nice improvement, but don't think it would necessarily help in cities, since the cities themselves usually maintain the roads even if they're considered state highways. NJ-28 thru Plainfield is the first thing that pops to mind for me, as what signs there are are old and decayed, and not usually replaced if they fall off or get vandalized. Plus, no EMM's through there. I would like Philly to do more of this, which is a smart way to keep routes signed throughout the city. It's nice where it exists, but it's very inconsistent.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1133 on: October 30, 2019, 02:03:55 PM »

Hell while we're at it, I wish PennDOT would post mileage on their surface traffic routes. An enhanced mile marker at every half mile (ala what NJ has done) would make the system easier to traverse especially in locations where routes are hard to follow (looking right at you Philly).

PennDOT doesn't even post their little white LRS markers on surface streets in Philadelphia. They definitely won't install mile markers on streets in the city.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1134 on: October 30, 2019, 03:10:30 PM »

I would like Philly to do more of this, which is a smart way to keep routes signed throughout the city. It's nice where it exists, but it's very inconsistent.

Agreed but since they only seem to replace their sign blades on what they consider an "as needed" basis, it'll be a long time before those shielded blades become the rule more than the exception.

PennDOT doesn't even post their little white LRS markers on surface streets in Philadelphia. They definitely won't install mile markers on streets in the city.

You're right about that and it's an annoyance. I have a buddy who works in Philly's Streets Dept and he has a ton of stories about residents finding out they live on state roads within the city (usually when it comes to snow removal).
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1135 on: October 30, 2019, 03:58:42 PM »

I would like Philly to do more of this, which is a smart way to keep routes signed throughout the city. It's nice where it exists, but it's very inconsistent.

Agreed but since they only seem to replace their sign blades on what they consider an "as needed" basis, it'll be a long time before those shielded blades become the rule more than the exception.

PennDOT doesn't even post their little white LRS markers on surface streets in Philadelphia. They definitely won't install mile markers on streets in the city.

You're right about that and it's an annoyance. I have a buddy who works in Philly's Streets Dept and he has a ton of stories about residents finding out they live on state roads within the city (usually when it comes to snow removal).

The state routes are shown on the PennDOT VideoLog (which just changed its address for the record).
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