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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3826 on: October 14, 2018, 12:35:38 AM »

Keep? https://goo.gl/maps/SiUziBLW4cn

Locals decided to keep Cape May, rather than demolish it.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3827 on: October 14, 2018, 07:45:33 AM »

Keep? https://goo.gl/maps/SiUziBLW4cn

Locals decided to keep Cape May, rather than demolish it.

No, it leads to that famous medieval fort that defended Cape May during the Norman Conquest. :sombrero:

Obviously said KEEP LEFT and was probably covered up for the Exit 0 construction. Not sure why they'd need to do that since it was never not true, though at the time of that Street View, they did still have most of the right turn lane for NB 109 blocked off. I certainly hope they've removed it by now, though there's no newer Street View southbound.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3828 on: October 15, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »

Dear LaDOTD,

Will you please stop making 30x24 shields??? You suck at it! My hard earned tax money is being wasted on these eyesores. Please go back to 24" square GREEN shields. They are so much more durable.

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3829 on: October 16, 2018, 12:29:19 AM »

This is somewhere in Tulsa...can someone help identify where exactly?
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3830 on: October 16, 2018, 11:57:55 AM »

This is somewhere in Tulsa...can someone help identify where exactly?


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3831 on: October 16, 2018, 03:18:53 PM »

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3832 on: October 17, 2018, 05:52:01 PM »

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/44669773454/in/dateposted-public/
A sign assembly that has a couple of interesting errors.  First the Exit 8 panel should be in the middle while the pull through for both I-244 & US 412 W Bound should be on the left.

Also US 412 is signed in front of I-244 where the interstate is supposed to be dominant over the lower designation US route.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3833 on: October 18, 2018, 01:51:09 PM »



It looks like they're using the "66" numerals from the Phillips 66 logo.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3834 on: October 18, 2018, 03:58:55 PM »



It looks like they're using the "66" numerals from the Phillips 66 logo.
 :-/

It would make sense -- historically, Phillips Petroleum was headquartered in Bartlesville, which is north of Tulsa on US 75. The recent series of mergers and splits with Conoco have ended that, though both ConocoPhillips and Phillips 66 maintain significant operations in the area.

That appears to be a City of Tulsa installation. I'd guess Phillips paid for that advertisement in some way or another, but who knows.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3835 on: October 19, 2018, 10:30:18 AM »

Interesting that the 21'0" clearance is marked. That's unusually high and I would think a clearance that high would not need to be marked, unless Oklahoma marks all clearances.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3836 on: October 19, 2018, 11:27:24 AM »

Interesting that the 21'0" clearance is marked. That's unusually high and I would think a clearance that high would not need to be marked, unless Oklahoma marks all clearances.

I'm pretty sure they mark almost if not all clearances. At least that's by me judging this photo (Taken by myself)

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3837 on: October 20, 2018, 02:58:25 PM »

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/44669773454/in/dateposted-public/
A sign assembly that has a couple of interesting errors.  First the Exit 8 panel should be in the middle while the pull through for both I-244 & US 412 W Bound should be on the left.

Also US 412 is signed in front of I-244 where the interstate is supposed to be dominant over the lower designation US route.

Also that the pull through only has two arrows, but the road is four lanes here. Assuming there are no lane drops at exit 8, the pull through either needs more arrows or (preferably) no arrows at all.

And actually, since there does not appear to be a major route decision point here (i.e. no intersecting or departing numbered routes), the pull through sign is unnecessary.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3838 on: October 20, 2018, 03:02:22 PM »

Interesting that the 21'0" clearance is marked. That's unusually high and I would think a clearance that high would not need to be marked, unless Oklahoma marks all clearances.

I'm pretty sure they mark almost if not all clearances. At least that's by me judging this photo (Taken by myself)

The MUTCD standard is to mark all clearances less than 12 inches above the statutory maximum vehicle height (Sec. 2C.27). Marking all clearances seems rather excessive...
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3839 on: October 21, 2018, 01:09:47 AM »

WSDOT just installed this new guide sign on I-5 in Fife, WA. That inset exit tab...reminds me of another west coast state...

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3840 on: October 21, 2018, 04:14:14 AM »

Interesting that the 21'0" clearance is marked. That's unusually high and I would think a clearance that high would not need to be marked, unless Oklahoma marks all clearances.

I'm pretty sure they mark almost if not all clearances. At least that's by me judging this photo (Taken by myself)

The MUTCD standard is to mark all clearances less than 12 inches above the statutory maximum vehicle height (Sec. 2C.27). Marking all clearances seems rather excessive...

The one type of sign that Oklahoma chooses to obsess about, and it's the one that doesn't matter. (Same applies for ramp speeds on the gore points.)
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3841 on: October 21, 2018, 10:40:48 AM »

I haven't checked chapter and verse, but I think TxDOT also signs all bridge clearances.  In the case of the High Five (US 75/I-635) interchange in Dallas, this results in some interesting pipework structures to mount the clearance signs on the direct connector ramps, which are almost all precast segmental concrete in the interchange core where they cross in plan.

Regardless of what the MUTCD says, I see limited value in signing any clearances above 17 ft because that is the standard height from pavement to the bottom of sign structures.  Engineers are generally reluctant to increase clearance under sign structures because this can adversely affect the amount of time the driver has to read the signs (viewing time is a function of operating speed, entrance angle, and observation angle) and also limit headlamp illumination of the sign face, which is necessary for reading at night unless external illumination is provided through fixed luminaires mounted to the structure.

I have wondered if some states have a sign-all-clearances policy for legal reasons, largely specific to court precedent in each state, that have to do with liability for poorly planned OSOW movements.  I can see courts in one state holding that it is the OSOW operator's responsibility to verify all clearances on a proposed overdimensional route (thus relieving agencies of the responsibility for signing all clearances) while courts in another state regard unsigned clearances as tantamount to an attractive nuisance and hold that an OSOW operator cannot be held liable when clearance signs are absent.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3842 on: October 21, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »

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I have wondered if some states have a sign-all-clearances policy for legal reasons, largely specific to court precedent in each state, that have to do with liability for poorly planned OSOW movements.  I can see courts in one state holding that it is the OSOW operator's responsibility to verify all clearances on a proposed overdimensional route (thus relieving agencies of the responsibility for signing all clearances) while courts in another state regard unsigned clearances as tantamount to an attractive nuisance and hold that an OSOW operator cannot be held liable when clearance signs are absent.

On the other hand, in general it should be necessary to sign only the lowest-clearance structure between two exits, and sign it on the first structure regardless of that structure's clearance.  Practical reality is that if you can pass beneath that lowest-clearance one, you'll pass beneath all the others.  Exceptions for arch support bridges where clearance on the shoulders is unusually low.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3843 on: October 21, 2018, 11:55:45 AM »

On the other hand, in general it should be necessary to sign only the lowest-clearance structure between two exits, and sign it on the first structure regardless of that structure's clearance.  Practical reality is that if you can pass beneath that lowest-clearance one, you'll pass beneath all the others.  Exceptions for arch support bridges where clearance on the shoulders is unusually low.

If a 15' bridge is signed for 11' (as an example), a trucker might think that the sign was in error (as the bridge is obviously higher than 11'), not realizing that there is an 11' bridge ahead.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3844 on: October 21, 2018, 02:41:25 PM »

Southwestern corner of Little Rock, Arkansas.



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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3845 on: October 21, 2018, 09:16:24 PM »

On the other hand, in general it should be necessary to sign only the lowest-clearance structure between two exits, and sign it on the first structure regardless of that structure's clearance.  Practical reality is that if you can pass beneath that lowest-clearance one, you'll pass beneath all the others.  Exceptions for arch support bridges where clearance on the shoulders is unusually low.

If a 15' bridge is signed for 11' (as an example), a trucker might think that the sign was in error (as the bridge is obviously higher than 11'), not realizing that there is an 11' bridge ahead.

Fair point.  The devil's in the details, but my point was that it shouldn't be necessary to sign the clearance of every overhead structure; only the lowest such structure between two exits.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3846 on: October 21, 2018, 10:51:44 PM »

Southwestern corner of Little Rock, Arkansas.



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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3847 on: October 21, 2018, 11:10:13 PM »


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3848 on: October 22, 2018, 05:15:32 PM »

WSDOT just installed this new guide sign on I-5 in Fife, WA. That inset exit tab...reminds me of another west coast state...



What are they doing? Can they not simply choose a sign style and stay with it?
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3849 on: October 22, 2018, 09:03:20 PM »

WSDOT just installed this new guide sign on I-5 in Fife, WA. That inset exit tab...reminds me of another west coast state...

https://i.imgur.com/UZIhm3g.jpg

What are they doing? Can they not simply choose a sign style and stay with it?

Not these days. SW region uses legit tabs, every where else uses full-width tabs, except when they don't. And now the Olympic region feels the need to use inset partial-width exit tabs like CA.

At least the advanced signage is proper:

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