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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4750 on: November 12, 2022, 12:22:50 PM »

Didnít Exit 7 have long queues before the 1989 relocation of the ramps?

If I remember the relocation of the Exit 7 turnpike side trumpet was moved a half mile to the north along with a new plaza and a curve into the 206 side trumpet.  I know it was for a good reason at the time, but that was close to 44 years ago where I canít remember the exact motivation now.

Yeah, I know itís off topic from Exit 1, but Iím curious to know what that reason is being over forty years ago you remembered that, but now four decades later it becomes more than a memory.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4751 on: November 12, 2022, 02:01:28 PM »

Didnít Exit 7 have long queues before the 1989 relocation of the ramps?

If I remember the relocation of the Exit 7 turnpike side trumpet was moved a half mile to the north along with a new plaza and a curve into the 206 side trumpet.  I know it was for a good reason at the time, but that was close to 44 years ago where I canít remember the exact motivation now.

Yeah, I know itís off topic from Exit 1, but Iím curious to know what that reason is being over forty years ago you remembered that, but now four decades later it becomes more than a memory.

1989 was only 33 years ago. But otherwise, yes.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4752 on: November 12, 2022, 02:18:18 PM »

Didnít Exit 7 have long queues before the 1989 relocation of the ramps?

If I remember the relocation of the Exit 7 turnpike side trumpet was moved a half mile to the north along with a new plaza and a curve into the 206 side trumpet.  I know it was for a good reason at the time, but that was close to 44 years ago where I canít remember the exact motivation now.

Yeah, I know itís off topic from Exit 1, but Iím curious to know what that reason is being over forty years ago you remembered that, but now four decades later it becomes more than a memory.

1989 was only 33 years ago. But otherwise, yes.
typo.  Yes 33 not 43.  Then I looked at the 43 and continued with it nor realizing when I wrote four decades.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4753 on: December 20, 2022, 08:23:46 PM »

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4754 on: December 20, 2022, 10:59:00 PM »

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4755 on: January 05, 2023, 10:14:56 AM »

The aggravating part is if Gov. Christie didn't kill the ARC Tunnel, despite it being flawed in multiple ways, it's probably close to if not done by now.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4756 on: January 05, 2023, 04:31:23 PM »

Doubtful it would have been even close to being done by now given all the complications and delays the MTA has had with LIRR's Grand Central Project. Apologies for being off-topic.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4757 on: January 05, 2023, 04:40:15 PM »

For those wondering why the Exit 1-4 widening is needed, it seems that every time I get on at Exit 4 northbound, there is a backup southbound at the lane drop. This has been happening more frequently, but it really wasn't an issue until the 6-9 widening was completed.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4758 on: January 05, 2023, 07:22:40 PM »

For those wondering why the Exit 1-4 widening is needed, it seems that every time I get on at Exit 4 northbound, there is a backup southbound at the lane drop. This has been happening more frequently, but it really wasn't an issue until the 6-9 widening was completed.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4759 on: January 05, 2023, 08:41:33 PM »

I've experienced that too. There is alot more volume once the road goes from 6 lanes to 4, and this difference is very noticeable, unlike when it goes from 12 to 6, which is surprising cause you'd think 295 would make up for that.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4760 on: January 05, 2023, 10:39:01 PM »

So the potential coming of AET on the Turnpike in the next decade has me thinking about Exit 14...

78 and all ramps to and from the Turnpike, 1and9, and local streets converge briefly through the toll plaza then immediately diverge on their separate ways again. How the heck is it going to be possible to make this stretch of road workable without the toll plaza there to (de facto) meter traffic?
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4761 on: January 06, 2023, 12:52:03 PM »

So the potential coming of AET on the Turnpike in the next decade has me thinking about Exit 14...

78 and all ramps to and from the Turnpike, 1and9, and local streets converge briefly through the toll plaza then immediately diverge on their separate ways again. How the heck is it going to be possible to make this stretch of road workable without the toll plaza there to (de facto) meter traffic?

This exact thought crossed my mind when I passed thru that interchange on the way to Metlife Stadium a couple months ago...yeah, there's no ideal solution to that one.  The best I can think of is to take advantage of some of the existing slip ramps on I-78 on either side in order to minimize weaving.

For eastbound, force all traffic not continuing onto the Newark Bay Extension to use this slip ramp to access the mainline turnpike. (Which is already signed that way, funnily enough). Then this onramp would simply split the way it's already signed, and then traffic will at least already be segregated between the mainline and the extension passing thru what would be the former toll plaza area. The only missing movement I can think of in this scenario is local lanes traffic looking to continue east onto the extension, so might need to squeeze a new slip ramp in somewhere for that moment.

Another thought is that you could permanently close the onramp referenced above that joins I-78 between the local & express lanes just before the toll plaza, as traffic both on US 1-9 southbound and coming from the port could simply continue south on US 1-9 to the next entrance to I-78 eastbound just past the string of hotels. Then with the freed-up space, you could add a slip ramp from the local lanes/turnpike mainline ramps back to the express lanes/extension in the toll plaza area.

For westbound coming off the Newark Bay Extension, the movement currently signed for US 1/9 & Newark Airport would become the only way to access the local lanes while the primary lanes would default onto the express lanes with no other option. Meanwhile, the 2-lane offramp from the southbound turnpike to I-78 westbound could split (maybe just after the ramp to I-78 eastbound separates, in order to prevent any additional weaving) and send 1 lane each to the local & express lanes. The only missing movement I can think of here would be from the northbound turnpike to the express lanes, which would either require an additional slip ramp elsewhere or just let it be.

Pardon the crappy doodles, but wanted to at least provide a rough visual aid to my narrative above.

Option retaining the eastbound on-ramp just before the toll plaza:


Option removing that ramp and adding a slip ramp from local to express:
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4762 on: January 06, 2023, 05:07:18 PM »

The EB I-78 Express lanes should default into the Newark Bay Extension and the local lanes the main turnpike.

Signage was originally set up to make it appear that way for years to discourage weaving at the Exit 14 Plaza.  There is the I-78 local to express crossover already to have through I-78 switch to express with Exits 56,57, and 58 have access to both local and express with the exception of the later added NJ 21 ramp that places the motorists on local only lanes. That can be fixed Iím sure.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4763 on: January 06, 2023, 05:25:02 PM »

The Exit 11 plaza is more challenging to eliminate weaving as going from the Parkway to the Turnpike you have three on ramps into the plaza where you have two split after.

Exiting Exit 11 you have three ramps ( remember the Exit 11 NB truck lanes provides the third) into the plaza and split into two beyond.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4764 on: January 07, 2023, 02:31:47 AM »

The Exit 11 plaza is more challenging to eliminate weaving as going from the Parkway to the Turnpike you have three on ramps into the plaza where you have two split after.

Exiting Exit 11 you have three ramps ( remember the Exit 11 NB truck lanes provides the third) into the plaza and split into two beyond.

I disagree. If the plaza is removed, there's still enough distance between those three ramps merging before you get to the split for the different directions of the Turnpike. Being able to slim down to 3 or so lanes in that point is actually probably better for traffic flow and safety than the situation now. You can just reconfigure some of the ramps and lengthen the distances before they merge to better accommodate the flow of traffic safely.

14 is going to be the really hard one.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4765 on: January 08, 2023, 12:43:58 PM »

Exiting Exit 11 you have three ramps (remember the Exit 11 NB truck lanes provides the third) into the plaza and split into two beyond.
If there were some way of channeling the trucks from the NJTP truck lanes directly to the US-9 exit, as that's the only route they may take from Exit 11.  But of course, the lanes are for "Cars-Trucks-Buses", so the passenger cars (and buses) would need a chance to get to the Parkway.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4766 on: January 08, 2023, 01:42:13 PM »

They'd likely have to do something similar to how the I-78/GSP interchange was setup with braided ramps.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4767 on: January 08, 2023, 05:17:49 PM »

https://www.nj.com/news/2022/12/nj-turnpike-agrees-to-pay-billions-to-help-fund-the-gateway-tunnel.html

Looks like the NJTA might help fund the needed Gateway Tunnel.

Here comes another big toll hike...

The crossings are now all $17 too. The extortion will never end.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4768 on: January 08, 2023, 06:04:46 PM »

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4769 on: January 08, 2023, 07:21:01 PM »

Heíll justify saying theyíre  all the same 😅
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4770 on: January 09, 2023, 10:12:54 AM »

OMG a toll hike. We're all doomed. Doomed. I mean doomed.

Wait, I'm hearing that this has happened multiple times and people stop caring within a week of the hike.

Oh. Back to your normal scheduled programming.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4771 on: January 15, 2023, 01:37:53 AM »

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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4772 on: January 15, 2023, 05:32:48 PM »

All this talk about the Exit 1-4 widening, what about the western spur widening??  It's been ignored for years it seems.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4773 on: January 16, 2023, 06:17:28 PM »

All this talk about the Exit 1-4 widening, what about the western spur widening??  It's been ignored for years it seems.
Yea really, THAT should be 6 lanes well before Exit 1-3.
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Re: New Jersey Turnpike
« Reply #4774 on: January 16, 2023, 11:43:40 PM »

Yea really, THAT should be 6 lanes well before Exit 1-3.

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