New Jersey Turnpike

[SignBridge]

NE2, the sign has the standard route shields. Unfortunately there is no way to show route shields in this text, so I had to improvise. Sorry if I misled anyone.

[odditude]

is it a 1-9 shield or separate shields?

[Alps]

Progress!  After years of woefully inadequate signing on the Eastern Leg Southbound at Exit 15E, a new set of MUTCD compliant overhead signs now exists at the Exit 15W split. It says something like Routes 1-9, Newark, Jersey City, exit  1 3/4 Miles. What a surprise. Unfortunately I was exiting at 15W, so I don't know if there are yet any other new 15E signs as you get closer to the exit. Anyone else driven that stretch recently? Must be very new. It doesn't even show on Google Earth yet.

It's been there for a matter of months. I've seen it twice so far.

is it a 1-9 shield or separate shields?

Separate.

[Mergingtraffic]

I just ran across these on GSV and I was surprised...are they still there? Original signs and all?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.684611,-74.097324,3a,75y,54.09h,86.24t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2CY0_N9SMsVlWJTAbfgCTw!2e0

Also, are the signs on this gantry still there?  I remember last summer they were reconstructing the ramps at Exit 10.

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[Alps]

I just ran across these on GSV and I was surprised...are they still there? Original signs and all?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.684611,-74.097324,3a,75y,54.09h,86.24t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2CY0_N9SMsVlWJTAbfgCTw!2e0

Still there at 14A and 14B entering the Turnpike. 14A will be gone soon.

Also, are the signs on this gantry still there?  I remember last summer they were reconstructing the ramps at Exit 10.

To my knowledge they're gone at 10, but there's still the old US 1/9 signs at 11.

[storm2k]

I just ran across these on GSV and I was surprised...are they still there? Original signs and all?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.684611,-74.097324,3a,75y,54.09h,86.24t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2CY0_N9SMsVlWJTAbfgCTw!2e0

Also, are the signs on this gantry still there?  I remember last summer they were reconstructing the ramps at Exit 10.

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The signs at 10 are still there... for now. They're on the endangered species list, as well as the "New York and North" and "Trenton and South" signs going the other way. They will be gone soon.

[Mergingtraffic]

I just ran across these on GSV and I was surprised...are they still there? Original signs and all?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.684611,-74.097324,3a,75y,54.09h,86.24t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2CY0_N9SMsVlWJTAbfgCTw!2e0

Also, are the signs on this gantry still there?  I remember last summer they were reconstructing the ramps at Exit 10.

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The signs at 10 are still there... for now. They're on the endangered species list, as well as the "New York and North" and "Trenton and South" signs going the other way. They will be gone soon.

Have you seen any contracts or spot improvement contracts with the above signs mentioned?

[storm2k]

I just ran across these on GSV and I was surprised...are they still there? Original signs and all?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.684611,-74.097324,3a,75y,54.09h,86.24t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2CY0_N9SMsVlWJTAbfgCTw!2e0

Also, are the signs on this gantry still there?  I remember last summer they were reconstructing the ramps at Exit 10.

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The signs at 10 are still there... for now. They're on the endangered species list, as well as the "New York and North" and "Trenton and South" signs going the other way. They will be gone soon.

Have you seen any contracts or spot improvement contracts with the above signs mentioned?

They are currently reconfiguring several of the ramps that split out after the toll plaza and there are already concrete footings in place for a new sign bridge to replace the one that's in the picture. All of the other old non-reflective button copy signs along the circle ramp were replaced a few years ago, but the contractors just replaced them with matching sign legends (which is why you still have a ramp for 440 East instead of North). As for the signs coming onto the Turnpike, there is already a new sign for the SB Turnpike which is covered up (and I assume looks like one of the signs in this standard drawing

[hotdogPi]

I'd assume the left-overs on the NH Tpke mainline are also endangered?  I haven't seen any contracts for the hold overs SB at Exit 17, 16, 15E etc.

Is it a typo, or do you actually mean New Hampshire?

[Mergingtraffic]

I'd assume the left-overs on the NH Tpke mainline are also endangered?  I haven't seen any contracts for the hold overs SB at Exit 17, 16, 15E etc.

Is it a typo, or do you actually mean New Hampshire?

oops NJ

[Alps]

I'd assume the left-overs on the NH Tpke mainline are also endangered?  I haven't seen any contracts for the hold overs SB at Exit 17, 16, 15E etc.

Given that a 15E sign was just replaced, it's possible that these are being addressed as spot fixes now, since there's no major contract planned in that area (that I know of).

[akotchi]

The new Exit 15E sign is on the same structure as one of the new HCMS.  If so, that may be why it went up as a spot installation -- their installation is coincident with the HCMS.  I have seen similar on the Easterly Alignment NB near Exit 15X.

[SignBridge]

Wow, that Exit-17 sign is (I believe) an original from when Exits 16-17 were rebuilt in 1964! Imagine that sign lasted 50 years.......

[roadman65]

Wow, that Exit-17 sign is (I believe) an original from when Exits 16-17 were rebuilt in 1964! Imagine that sign lasted 50 years.......

Yes it did as they not only knew how to make signs better then, but they never replaced them on a regular basis like they do for signs nowadays. 

Back in the 60's and 70's you never seen them replace the signs or have a replacement program as signs were put it with the premise that they would last forever.

[NJRoadfan]

Seeing drawing SL-14, I wonder if NJDOT will finally post control cities on Turnpike/GSP entrance ramps located on state highways. Outside of I-195, they all pretty much say "NJ Turnpike" or "G S Parkway" instead of where the road might go.

[roadman65]

I hope that they do it on I-80 as right now NJDOT forgot that there are missing movements from I-80 EB to the GSP SB.  Maybe this might make them figure it out if they plan on adding control cities and then add GSP south signs at I-280 and NJ 19 SB where they really need to be to avoid the Breezewood in Saddle Brook that exists there now.

[J Route Z]

New York and Trenton are good control cities. Then south of exit 7A, Camden or Delaware would be more appropriate for southbound. Even if the roads don't go exactly into the destinations, they are at least within a 10 mile radius or so.

[bzakharin]

New York and Trenton are good control cities. Then south of exit 7A, Camden or Delaware would be more appropriate for southbound. Even if the roads don't go exactly into the destinations, they are at least within a 10 mile radius or so.

I think Camden and Trenton should only appear Southbound, since Northbound it's I-295 for both. Also, why not Philadelphia? Even without the PA Turnpike / I-95 interchange, the NJ Turnpike is the best route to Philadelphia going South.

[Zeffy]

New York and Trenton are good control cities. Then south of exit 7A, Camden or Delaware would be more appropriate for southbound. Even if the roads don't go exactly into the destinations, they are at least within a 10 mile radius or so.

I think Camden and Trenton should only appear Southbound, since Northbound it's I-295 for both. Also, why not Philadelphia? Even without the PA Turnpike / I-95 interchange, the NJ Turnpike is the best route to Philadelphia going South.

It's only the best route (IMO) if you are coming from a point that isn't close to Trenton. If you are close to Trenton, it would make more sense to just take the current 95 (future 395?) all the way into Philadelphia.

Regarding the control cities, it should be Newark, Trenton, Camden, and Wilmington going south down the Turnpike. Northbound it should be New Brunswick, Newark, then New York. People looking for Philadelphia usually know that they can just find Camden and cross over to Philadelphia from there anyway.

[jeffandnicole]

People looking for Philadelphia usually know that they can just find Camden and cross over to Philadelphia from there anyway ask the toll booth operator at Interchange 1 how much farther to Philadelphia, then wonder how they passed by it a half hour ago without seeing it.  Then they ask if they're still on I-95.

Fixed.

[bzakharin]

It's only the best route (IMO) if you are coming from a point that isn't close to Trenton. If you are close to Trenton, it would make more sense to just take the current 95 (future 395?) all the way into Philadelphia.

If you're close to Trenton, you aren't on the Turnpike or at an entrance that has a control city. If you mean as close to Trenton as the Turnpike gets, around 7A, it's still better to use the Turnpike from there.

Regarding the control cities, it should be Newark, Trenton, Camden, and Wilmington going south down the Turnpike. Northbound it should be New Brunswick, Newark, then New York. People looking for Philadelphia usually know that they can just find Camden and cross over to Philadelphia from there anyway.

Why would someone who is not from the area and looking for Philadelphia know about Camden, especially since you don't necessarily have to go through Camden to get there?

[mrsman]

New York and Trenton are good control cities. Then south of exit 7A, Camden or Delaware would be more appropriate for southbound. Even if the roads don't go exactly into the destinations, they are at least within a 10 mile radius or so.

I think Camden and Trenton should only appear Southbound, since Northbound it's I-295 for both. Also, why not Philadelphia? Even without the PA Turnpike / I-95 interchange, the NJ Turnpike is the best route to Philadelphia going South.

It's only the best route (IMO) if you are coming from a point that isn't close to Trenton. If you are close to Trenton, it would make more sense to just take the current 95 (future 395?) all the way into Philadelphia.

Regarding the control cities, it should be Newark, Trenton, Camden, and Wilmington going south down the Turnpike. Northbound it should be New Brunswick, Newark, then New York. People looking for Philadelphia usually know that they can just find Camden and cross over to Philadelphia from there anyway.

My ideas for control cities:

All references to "Trenton" in NYC should be changed to Newark.

Southbound NJTP:

Newark until I-280. 
Newark Airport / Trenton until I-78.
Trenton / Philadelphia* until I-195 (Exit 7A)
Philadelphia* / Wilmington until Exit 6
Wilmington / Baltimore until the State Line

Northbound NJTP:

Newark / New York City from the Del Mem Bridge to exit 13
Newark / Manhattan until Exit 13A
Manhattan / Bronx until exit 14
Midtown Manhattan / Bronx until the Turnpike split

Eastern Spur:

Midtown Manhattan / Bronx until the exit for the Lincoln Tunnel
Upper Manhattan / Bronx further north all the way to the GWB

Western Spur:

Sports Complex / Bronx unitl exit 16W
Upper Manhattan / Bronx further north all the way to the GWB


* Philadelphia controls should be covered until the 95/Penn turnpike interchange opens.

[The Ghostbuster]

I think the exits on the 3 legs of the New Jersey Turnpike should be mileage based. The Newark Extension's exits should be based on the mileage of Interstate 78. The connection to the Pennsylvania Turnpike (Future Interstate 95) based on the mileage from the Pennsylvania/New Jersey Border. And the mainline from it's southern terminus, and where the Turnpike ends, the exit sequence should continue all the way to the George Washington Bridge. Of course, this will never happen, and probably should be regulated to the Fictional Highways board.

[storm2k]

Wow, that Exit-17 sign is (I believe) an original from when Exits 16-17 were rebuilt in 1964! Imagine that sign lasted 50 years.......

Yes it did as they not only knew how to make signs better then, but they never replaced them on a regular basis like they do for signs nowadays. 

Back in the 60's and 70's you never seen them replace the signs or have a replacement program as signs were put it with the premise that they would last forever.

The Turnpike had a lot of signs that lasted from its inception. The Exit 6 sign SB for the PATP split was original to when the road was built until it was finally taken down during the dualization project.

[storm2k]

I'd assume the left-overs on the NH Tpke mainline are also endangered?  I haven't seen any contracts for the hold overs SB at Exit 17, 16, 15E etc.

Given that a 15E sign was just replaced, it's possible that these are being addressed as spot fixes now, since there's no major contract planned in that area (that I know of).

I thought they were going to be replacing all the signs north of 9 or 10 with MUTCD signage except for where a project had new signs already in the works (like new sign for 13A). Did that get put on hold?