US 50/301(Chesapeake Bay Bridge)

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jeffandnicole

Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2025, 01:03:46 AM...The Key Bridge collapse blocked the main channel for 8 weeks and estimated economic losses are $3 to $5 billion for the shipping suspensions...

I would imagine economic losses are actually near $0. The ships just went elsewhere, or shipping was delayed.

The *Port of Baltimore* might have lost money, but that would be calculated in the millions to tens of millions.


Beltway

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 19, 2025, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2025, 01:03:46 AM...The Key Bridge collapse blocked the main channel for 8 weeks and estimated economic losses are $3 to $5 billion for the shipping suspensions...
I would imagine economic losses are actually near $0. The ships just went elsewhere, or shipping was delayed.
The *Port of Baltimore* might have lost money, but that would be calculated in the millions to tens of millions.
There are a range of estimates that have been cited. They need more refinement, but they are not insignificant.

"Preliminary estimates put the projected economic impacts of the Baltimore bridge collapse at more than $10 billion. This figure includes insured business interruption, cargo, property, and marine liability and hull losses that could total $2 – $4 billion."

https://milberg.com/case/baltimore-bridge-collapse-business-loss-claims/
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BrianP

MDTA announces plans to improve safety on Bay Bridge
QuoteNevertheless, Maryland Transportation Secretary Paul Wiedefeld said the MDTA plans, beginning this summer, to develop short- and long-term plans for reducing collision risks for both the eastbound and westbound spans of the Bay Bridge.

It is also considering requiring reduced speeds for ships passing below the bridge, one-way transits as well as improved communication protocols and methods to manage car traffic on the bridge.

Longer-term projects could include more pier fenders around the support columns and additional dolphins — concrete barriers that surround bridge columns.

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Quote from: BrianP on April 22, 2025, 11:58:39 AMMDTA announces plans to improve safety on Bay Bridge
QuoteNevertheless, Maryland Transportation Secretary Paul Wiedefeld said the MDTA plans, beginning this summer, to develop short- and long-term plans for reducing collision risks for both the eastbound and westbound spans of the Bay Bridge.
It is also considering requiring reduced speeds for ships passing below the bridge, one-way transits as well as improved communication protocols and methods to manage car traffic on the bridge.
Longer-term projects could include more pier fenders around the support columns and additional dolphins — concrete barriers that surround bridge columns.
The Bay Bridge does have some protections for main piers and anchorages.

Concrete structure foundations on all 4 main piers, rip-rap islands on the older bridge anchorages, and massive concrete structures on the newer bridge anchorages.

Water depths are such that a 50-foot deep shipping channel needs no dredging.

It would be pretty challenging to say the least to build robust enough structures to stop or deflect a 100,000+ ton ship moving at channel speed.

This main span is 1,600 feet long and in open waters, not a harbor, so there might not be the same vulnerabilities as with the Baltimore outer harbor.

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The Bay Bridge is known for a higher-than-normal percentage of "timid drivers." I wonder whether the Key Bridge collapsed caused a spike in that. Would not surprise me at all.
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Found this on the MDTA's Facebook page:

"MARYLAND TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY BOARD TO VOTE ON RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FOR FUTURE CHESAPEAKE BAY CROSSING BALTIMORE -- The Maryland Transportation Authority Board will vote on Thursday, December 18, at 9 a.m. on a recommended preferred alternative for the Chesapeake Bay Crossing Study: Tier 2 National Environmental Policy Act. Noted as "Alternative C," the staff recommendation includes the construction of two new, four-lane bridge spans; and removal of the existing Bay Bridge spans.

"This recommendation is an exciting step that moves us closer to a Bay crossing that provides a smoother travel experience for those who drive over the bridge and the Marylanders who live by it," said Maryland Department of Transportation Acting Secretary Samantha J. Biddle. "Alternative C is the option that best supports Marylanders' current and future daily travel needs with the least environmental impact on our treasured Chesapeake Bay."

Based on the agency's ongoing engineering review, environmental study, public feedback and extensive coordination with local, state and federal partners, Alternative C includes:

● Two new four-lane bridge spans with full shoulders across the Chesapeake Bay, enhancing safety while providing additional transportation capacity, reliability and mobility;
● Removal of the existing Bay Bridge spans, addressing existing roadway deficiencies including narrow lanes and lack of shoulders, eliminating the need for major rehabilitation projects and associated lane closures and delays, and increasing navigational clearance to meet U.S. Coast Guard requirements. The navigational clearance will match that of the new Key Bridge, allowing larger ships to access the Port of Baltimore;
● Widening of US 50/301 to eight lanes (four per direction) from west of Oceanic Drive to east of Cox Creek to accommodate transitions to the new crossing;
● Financial commitments for transit-related improvements; and
● An optional bicycle and pedestrian shared-use path, which the MDTA will further evaluate to determine if it should be included.

"Alternative C best fulfills the study's purpose and need while considering environmental and financial responsibility," said MDTA Executive Director Bruce Gartner. "Of the build alternatives, it is the most cost-effective, impacts the least amount of natural, socio-economic and cultural resources. It would enhance safety with full shoulders and wider lanes, bring between $17 to $23 billion into the local economy, and create 61,300 to 75,600 jobs with 76% direct employment of construction workers."

Alternative C will be evaluated by the public and resource and regulatory agencies as part of the ongoing National Environmental Policy Act process. Both the general public and agencies will have the opportunity to comment on the recommendation and on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement beginning in late January 2026, with public hearings planned for February 2026.

The Federal Highway Administration and other resource and regulatory agencies have not yet concurred on a Preferred Alternative per the National Environmental Policy Act process. The Maryland Transportation Authority will continue to analyze its recommendation following public comment. After the public comment period, state and federal agencies including the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Maryland Department of the Environment, among others, will be invited to concur on the preferred alternative in Spring 2026. Final Federal Highway Administration concurrence, in conjunction with the Maryland Transportation Authority, will be rendered via a combined Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision, anticipated in November 2026.

The Tier 2 Study aims to address existing and future transportation capacity needs across the Chesapeake Bay and at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge approaches along the US 50/301 corridor. NEPA review is required for major federal actions, including federal funding or approvals.

The Bay Crossing Study: Tier 2 National Environmental Policy Act began in June 2022. Following the development of the purpose and need, the study team considered and analyzed many preliminary alternatives, which they narrowed to seven retained alternatives and presented to the public in December 2024. Pending funding, procurement for design will begin after the Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision, with final design starting in Spring 2028 and construction anticipated to begin in Summer 2032."
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jmacswimmer

Maybe they were already leaning that way, but I wonder if the Key Bridge situation helped push the decision towards a full replacement as the preferred alternative (since the increased clearance at the new Key Bridge is useless for as long as the current Bay Bridge remains). Hopefully the shared-use path doesn't get dropped down the line the way it did at the Nice Bridge, but the "optional" phrasing doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Long-term I wonder if it would make sense the extend the 4-laning to the MD 2 interchange on the western shore and to the 50-301 split on the eastern shore (with 6-laning continuing along US 50 to MD 404), but that would be on SHA's plate rather than MDTA. The Kent Narrows bridge would be the biggest obstacle.
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Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 17, 2025, 03:37:49 AMFound this on the MDTA's Facebook page:
"MARYLAND TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY BOARD TO VOTE ON RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FOR FUTURE CHESAPEAKE BAY CROSSING BALTIMORE -- The Maryland Transportation Authority Board will vote on Thursday, December 18, at 9 a.m. on a recommended preferred alternative for the Chesapeake Bay Crossing Study: Tier 2 National Environmental Policy Act. Noted as "Alternative C," the staff recommendation includes the construction of two new, four-lane bridge spans; and removal of the existing Bay Bridge spans.
Despite MDTA claims, they are not going to replace the Bay Bridges -- that is fantastically expensive pipe dream.

Reported elsewhere as costing between $14 and $17 billion for this scheme.

Expect a realistic scheme like building a new 3-lane bridge for eastbound traffic. The complex will have 3 lanes each way and 2 lanes reversible, and no 2-way traffic at any time.
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Rothman

What, no comparison to the $4B Governor Mario M. Cuomo (Tappan Zee) Bridge?
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Beltway

Quote from: Beltway on December 17, 2025, 09:59:04 AMReported elsewhere as costing between $14 and $17 billion for this scheme.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough -- "elsewhere" is from a newspaper -- MDTA has not released a figure. -- and they should.
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Plutonic Panda

Did I miss understand that? Are they also looking at building an entirely new crossing elsewhere?

Beltway

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 01:08:43 PMDid I miss understand that? Are they also looking at building an entirely new crossing elsewhere?
No -- the Sandy Point location -- the current location.

I don't know why it took them 20 years to determine that.
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Plutonic Panda

Okay I just thought there was some study about looking into another crossing and couldn't understand if this was going to be a part of that even with a replacement and widening.

Beltway

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 01:23:44 PMOkay I just thought there was some study about looking into another crossing and couldn't understand if this was going to be a part of that even with a replacement and widening.
The looked at 8 different crossing locations. Some were absurd.

Like a crossing 10 miles of bay, across Tilghman Island, across 4 miles of Choptank River, to near Easton.

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Quote from: Beltway on December 17, 2025, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 01:23:44 PMOkay I just thought there was some study about looking into another crossing and couldn't understand if this was going to be a part of that even with a replacement and widening.
The looked at 8 different crossing locations. Some were absurd.

Like a crossing 10 miles of bay, across Tilghman Island, across 4 miles of Choptank River, to near Easton.


Are they still looking into a new crossing or was that just some pipe dream study?

Plutonic Panda


Beltway

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 17, 2025, 02:04:58 PMThe looked at 8 different crossing locations. Some were absurd.
Like a crossing 10 miles of bay, across Tilghman Island, across 4 miles of Choptank River, to near Easton.
Are they still looking into a new crossing or was that just some pipe dream study?
There are two feasible locations that were studied in the 1970s. And choosing Alternative C means that no new location will be selected

Map here --
Chesapeake Bay Bridge History
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Chesa_Bay_Bridge_History.html

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 03:29:44 PMHere's a news article on it:
https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/12/maryland-transportation-authority-set-to-vote-on-plan-to-construct-new-bay-bridge/
No cost estimate there either. Why are they hiding it?
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Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 17, 2025, 03:29:44 PMHere's a news article on it:

https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/12/maryland-transportation-authority-set-to-vote-on-plan-to-construct-new-bay-bridge/

Darn I was hoping they would build a bridge further south between Calvert and Dorchester counties that could provide a more direct connection between Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore.

Beltway

Quote from: Dough4872 on December 17, 2025, 10:37:42 PMDarn I was hoping they would build a bridge further south between Calvert and Dorchester counties that could provide a more direct connection between Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore.
Studied in the 1970s.

The southern Bay Bridge would have been about 6.3 miles long, with 2 lanes, and connecting highway would have extended west to MD-2/MD-4 and extended east to MD-16. MD-4 wasn't on the map in the report, it was MD-416 then. The facility would have connected between Lusby in Calvert County and Taylors Island in Dorchester County.

Today it would be 4 lanes and with a 4-lane relocation of MD-16 of about 15 miles to US-50 east of Cambridge. Likely a 4-mile-long trestle bridge over the wetlands east of Taylors Island.

Today's Eastern Shore communities would likely still show strong opposition to a southern Bay Bridge crossing, just as they did in the 1970s. Concerns about growth, traffic, and environmental impacts remain central to local sentiment.

Even though engineering has advanced and traffic demand has grown, the political and environmental calculus hasn't changed much since the 1970s. The Eastern Shore still values its rural identity, and a southern Bay Bridge would be seen as a threat to that. Maryland's official planning today reflects this reality: the state is pursuing replacement of the existing spans, not new southern crossings.

So if revived now, the Eastern Shore would almost certainly oppose it widely, citing the same growth and ecological risks that derailed it decades ago.

My parents retired in St. Michaels in 1986 so I have a pretty good handle on Eastern Shore culture.
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Quote from: Rothman on December 06, 2024, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2024, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 06, 2024, 12:30:19 PMWould replacing the existing bridges with new bridges that are five lanes in each direction be overkill? Will existing US 50/301 have to be expanded from six to ten lanes on the eastern and western approaches to the new bridges?

There is a certain amount of overkill there.  Currently it's 2 lanes per direction with a 3rd lane that can contraflow traffic.  Even widening it to 4 lanes per direction doubles non-peak traffic, and provides a critical additional lane in the peak direction, especially for EB traffic that won't need to split and go single-file on the WB bridge.

The approaches don't necessarily need to be widened to contain the same number of lanes on the bridges themselves, although it wouldn't hurt.

Whatever the number of lanes, if the new bridges still have congestion on weekends due to Ocean City traffic (DC people can't figure out anywhere else to go for vacation), heads will roll.

Speaking of which, are there any plans to upgrade US 50 to a freeway at least to Salisbury, if not Ocean City?

davewiecking

Quote from: RoadMaster09 on December 18, 2025, 12:09:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 06, 2024, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2024, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 06, 2024, 12:30:19 PMWould replacing the existing bridges with new bridges that are five lanes in each direction be overkill? Will existing US 50/301 have to be expanded from six to ten lanes on the eastern and western approaches to the new bridges?

There is a certain amount of overkill there.  Currently it's 2 lanes per direction with a 3rd lane that can contraflow traffic.  Even widening it to 4 lanes per direction doubles non-peak traffic, and provides a critical additional lane in the peak direction, especially for EB traffic that won't need to split and go single-file on the WB bridge.

The approaches don't necessarily need to be widened to contain the same number of lanes on the bridges themselves, although it wouldn't hurt.

Whatever the number of lanes, if the new bridges still have congestion on weekends due to Ocean City traffic (DC people can't figure out anywhere else to go for vacation), heads will roll.

Speaking of which, are there any plans to upgrade US 50 to a freeway at least to Salisbury, if not Ocean City?
Plans? Yes...

davewiecking

Quote from: jmacswimmer on December 17, 2025, 09:48:27 AMMaybe they were already leaning that way, but I wonder if the Key Bridge situation helped push the decision towards a full replacement as the preferred alternative (since the increased clearance at the new Key Bridge is useless for as long as the current Bay Bridge remains). Hopefully the shared-use path doesn't get dropped down the line the way it did at the Nice Bridge, but the "optional" phrasing doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Long-term I wonder if it would make sense the extend the 4-laning to the MD 2 interchange on the western shore and to the 50-301 split on the eastern shore (with 6-laning continuing along US 50 to MD 404), but that would be on SHA's plate rather than MDTA. The Kent Narrows bridge would be the biggest obstacle.
Study covered from Rowe Blvd to the 50/301 split. Proposes 8 landing entire stretch.

Beltway

Quote from: RoadMaster09 on December 18, 2025, 12:09:40 AMSpeaking of which, are there any plans to upgrade US 50 to a freeway at least to Salisbury, if not Ocean City?
Negative -- the only project in planning is between the US-301 split and just south of MD-404. Has been since the 1970s and is still unfunded.
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