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Author Topic: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127  (Read 2199 times)

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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2020, 10:45:01 PM »

It doesn't go without saying that the current governor of Michigan is one of the biggest idiots around and that's all I'm saying on that one.
Didn't your last one like ruin the water in Flint or something?
No that was Darnell Earley he was an Emergency Manager in Flint. He was appointed by Governor Snyder but he is the one that ultimately made the decision to switch the source of water for the city of Flint. I guess you could say Snyder sort of did because he was the one that appointed the EM. Earley was also the city manager in Saginaw for awhile. I live within a mile of Saginaw's city limits.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2020, 10:54:31 PM »

It doesn't go without saying that the current governor of Michigan is one of the biggest idiots around and that's all I'm saying on that one.
Didn't your last one like ruin the water in Flint or something?
No, that was the Flint city council, but I think we're getting off subject here.
Well my attack on Whitmer is that she said all along in her campaign that she was going to fix the damn roads. And now she is giving MDOT the ok to study the possibility of making a toll road without the thought that Michigan would lose federal funding if that is done.

It's already been mentioned that most of the traffic using the roadways in Michigan are by people that already live here and I agree with that. Michigan isn't a state that sees a lot of through traffic except for Canada. I guess making I-69 a toll road would probably be the best one if they had to make any of them a toll road considering many use it as a bypass of Detroit for Chicago-Toronto traffic. It'd be easy to shunpike though by using Old M-21 in many places. Old M-78 runs right next to current I-69 too.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2020, 07:52:29 PM »

Or maybe that is the route MDOT wants Canada-bound trucks to follow (I-69), possibly alleviating some truck traffic from Detroit. Although I am not sure who in their right mind would go through Detroit to begin with if they could take I-69, regardless of tolled I-94 or not.

When I drove for a living, my company said I had to use the Ambassador Bridge, because it somehow made their customs paperwork easier.  Ugh, the Ambassador Bridge!  The experience of driving on that in an 18-wheeler was always worse than the experience of having to go through the stoplights in Breezewood Windsor.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2020, 10:58:07 AM »

When I drove for a living, my company said I had to use the Ambassador Bridge, because it somehow made their customs paperwork easier. 

What?  Are you saying that shipping routes are determined by more than just one factor?  Get outta here!
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2020, 01:24:25 PM »

Let's face it. Michigan is never getting any toll roads outside of the Mackinac Bridge and the border crossings into Canada. What advantage would they have making any of these routes into a toll road when a free route is available? Go ahead and make US-127 into a toll road, I'll just use Old US-27.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2020, 05:05:06 PM »

Let's face it. Michigan is never getting any toll roads outside of the Mackinac Bridge and the border crossings into Canada. What advantage would they have making any of these routes into a toll road when a free route is available? Go ahead and make US-127 into a toll road, I'll just use Old US-27.

Ohio Turnpike seems to do alright with a freeway to its north and a 4 lane highway to its south.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2020, 05:35:41 PM »

Let's face it. Michigan is never getting any toll roads outside of the Mackinac Bridge and the border crossings into Canada. What advantage would they have making any of these routes into a toll road when a free route is available? Go ahead and make US-127 into a toll road, I'll just use Old US-27.

Ohio Turnpike seems to do alright with a freeway to its north and a 4 lane highway to its south.
There is some question to how well the Ohio TP would do if the US 30 Corridor from Mansfield, OH to somewhere near Morris, IL were upgraded to interstate standards, and even given an Interstate designation, be it 76 or 80, how well the OH TP, IN TR, and the Tri-State would compete

While such a thing has been talked about on the Fictional board, there needs to be more serious movement in Indiana regarding upgrading US 30 to a Freeway and more serious movement in Indiana and Illinois (mostly IL) about building the Illiana Tollway, and make sure the routes connect to the existing US 30 Freeway in Ohio
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2020, 07:32:28 PM »

Let's face it. Michigan is never getting any toll roads outside of the Mackinac Bridge and the border crossings into Canada. What advantage would they have making any of these routes into a toll road when a free route is available? Go ahead and make US-127 into a toll road, I'll just use Old US-27.

Ohio Turnpike seems to do alright with a freeway to its north and a 4 lane highway to its south.
There is some question to how well the Ohio TP would do if the US 30 Corridor from Mansfield, OH to somewhere near Morris, IL were upgraded to interstate standards, and even given an Interstate designation, be it 76 or 80, how well the OH TP, IN TR, and the Tri-State would compete

While such a thing has been talked about on the Fictional board, there needs to be more serious movement in Indiana regarding upgrading US 30 to a Freeway and more serious movement in Indiana and Illinois (mostly IL) about building the Illiana Tollway, and make sure the routes connect to the existing US 30 Freeway in Ohio
I was thinking of OH 2 & I-90 to the north and US 20 & I-76 to the south.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2020, 10:36:11 PM »

Well if the Fed's aren't chipping in enough to maintain that interstate for the traffic it has, why are we beholden to a system that denies interstates access to a potential revenue stream because of some arbitrary rule?  That's dumb.  That rule should be shit-canned.  I 100% support tolling existing tax-payed interstates if it means those interstates can get more lanes and modern interchanges.

By all means, toll the shit out of I-94 so Michigan can afford to six+ lane the entire thing west of Detroit.
Hell yeah, toll I-81 so Virginia can afford to six lane the whole damn thing.
Let Missouri toll I-70 so that sumbitch has at least six lanes between KC and StL.
And just so I'm not playing favorites; why not toll I-94 over here in 'Sconnie so we can get that third lane where it's needed?
Worth it!
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2020, 10:37:23 PM »

Let's face it. Michigan is never getting any toll roads outside of the Mackinac Bridge and the border crossings into Canada. What advantage would they have making any of these routes into a toll road when a free route is available? Go ahead and make US-127 into a toll road, I'll just use Old US-27.

Ohio Turnpike seems to do alright with a freeway to its north and a 4 lane highway to its south.
And that freeway to the north is what I use to shunpike the Ohio Turnpike.
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Re: Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2020, 01:01:56 AM »

Hell yeah, toll I-81 so Virginia can afford to six lane the whole damn thing.
The latest toll plan would not have widened the entire interstate to 6 lanes, in fact only less than 100 miles. Still a major improvement, but would not address the remaining 200+ miles.

Either way, the project package that includes numerous ramp extensions, safety improvements, climbing lanes, and that less than 100 miles of widening is getting underway, though they opted to increase fuel taxes & truck fees to fund it instead of implementing tolling.
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