New York City as a control city and other important control citys in MA on I-95

[Pete from Boston]

I've been told that "New York" (as opposed to something like Springfield or Albany NY) was included on that sign (which was installed about 1996) to enable the ancient support truss to be re-used - remember, this was the height of the "reuse existing sign supports wherever possible" era in Massachusetts.

IIRC, that particular BGS and gantry replaced the original 60s-era button-copy BGS (legend likely read Mass Pike Points West) and single-post style gantry.  Looking at the GSV of the current BGS & gantry, one can clearly tell that the gantry is not from the mid-60s.

The likely real reason for the Turnpike Authority using New York for its I-90 West entrance ramp signage for that area is to direct the various NYC-bound busses from the bus terminal(s) that were/are in that area.

hmm why not stay on I-95 because it gose to NY city, there other ways to get to NY city from Boston without paying the mass pike like I-93 (southeast expressway)south to Canton to Exit 1 to I-95 south (toll free)
from the south like Cape Cod I suggest to put up on Rt-25 entering I-195 (I-195 west Providence RI, New York City)
I also suggest on I-93 south Braintree split a sign (New York City use I-93 to I-95 south)

Is it me, or have we been through this already in this thread?

[PHLBOS]

Once you get north of the US 1 interchange at the Topsfield/Danvers line, a number of entrance signs for I-95 north do have two destinations.  Starts with "Salisbury Portsmouth NH", which then changes to "Portsmouth NH Kittery ME" as you get closer to the NH line.  I once was told that, years ago, Kittery was chosen over Portland at the explicit request of the State of Maine (and not just MaineDOT) because of the outlet stores within Kittery itself.

Personally, I agree that Portland is a better destination than Kittery.

The MA 110 interchange at the Salisbury/Amesbury line is where the I-95 North destinations change.  Although recent BGS & LGS signage vary a bit.

Overhead BGS lists Portland ME while the ground-mounted BGS' lists Kittery ME as the 2nd I-95 North destination.

Along MA 110 Eastbound, apparently somebody at MassDOT forgot that the most direct route to Salisbury is indeed along MA 110 when this LGS was made.  The border is just east of the overpass.

Personally, I would've used Hampton/Portsmouth as the two I-95 North destinations from MA 110 to NH 51 101 but that's just me.

[hotdogPi]

Personally, I would've used Hampton/Portsmouth as the two I-95 North destinations from MA 110 to NH 51 but that's just me.

It's NH 101 now.

[shadyjay]

Once you get north of the US 1 interchange at the Topsfield/Danvers line, a number of entrance signs for I-95 north do have two destinations.  Starts with "Salisbury Portsmouth NH", which then changes to "Portsmouth NH Kittery ME" as you get closer to the NH line.  I once was told that, years ago, Kittery was chosen over Portland at the explicit request of the State of Maine (and not just MaineDOT) because of the outlet stores within Kittery itself.

Personally, I agree that Portland is a better destination than Kittery.

The MA 110 interchange at the Salisbury/Amesbury line is where the I-95 North destinations change.  Although recent BGS & LGS signage vary a bit.

Overhead BGS lists Portland ME while the ground-mounted BGS' lists Kittery ME as the 2nd I-95 North destination.

Wow - that must be pretty new.  I've never seen Portland used as a I-95 control point south of Portsmouth.  I was going to say outside of Maine, but forgot about the "Portsmouth/Portland" control points used on the Spaulding Turnpike SB approach to I-95.

[PHLBOS]

It's NH 101 now.

Oops, forgot about that.  Previous post has since been corrected.

Overhead BGS lists Portland ME while the ground-mounted BGS' lists Kittery ME as the 2nd I-95 North destination.

Wow - that must be pretty new.  I've never seen Portland used as a I-95 control point south of Portsmouth.  I was going to say outside of Maine, but forgot about the "Portsmouth/Portland" control points used on the Spaulding Turnpike SB approach to I-95.

Actually, the mid-70s vintage BGS' that were there before had Portland, Maine (along with Portsmouth, NH) listed as well... along with Series B fonts for the I-shields.

[roadman65]

Actually it should be both Portsmouth and Portland like in the day or at the Spaulding Turnpike interchange.  Inside the 128 loop it should be Portland and once I-95 breaks free of the Yankee Division, then both Portsmouth and Portland both be used.

What is even more interesting is that I-93 uses Concord, NH instead of Manchester, NH.  Manchester is New Hampshire's largest city, yet its state capital, that is the second reached city, is signed from Downtown Boston northward.  This is the reverse order of what I-95 has, but by the same DOT.

[PHLBOS]

Actually it should be both Portsmouth and Portland like in the day

Inside the 128 loop it should be Portland

and once I-95 breaks free of the Yankee Division, then both Portsmouth and Portland both be used.

You're almost as bad as the OP wanting to skip several cities in the in-between states and sign I-95 South for New York (City).

What is even more interesting is that I-93 uses Concord, NH instead of Manchester, NH.  Manchester is New Hampshire's largest city, yet its state capital, that is the second reached city, is signed from Downtown Boston northward.

Until the 1990s, the only NH destination listed on I-93 North signage in MA was Salem NH.

[roadman]

When the sign panels on I-93 between Somerville and Methuen were replaced in the early 1990s, Concord was used instead of Manchester as the northbound control city because AASHTO hadn't yet approved their current list, which includes Salem, Manchester, and Concord (only Concord was included on the previous listing).

The reason Concord was used instead of Salem (NH) when the signs were replaced was a result of an explicit request from the Salem Massachusetts Chamber of Commerce to the then MassHighway commissioner.  Seems the Chamber had gotten complaints from tourist types heading for the Witch City who saw Salem on the I-93 signs (this was before MassHighway/MassDOT's current practice of always including the state abbreviation with out of state cities) and wound up in New Hampshire.

[A00234826]

Actually it should be both Portsmouth and Portland like in the day

Inside the 128 loop it should be Portland

and once I-95 breaks free of the Yankee Division, then both Portsmouth and Portland both be used.

You're almost as bad as the OP wanting to skip several cities in the in-between states and sign I-95 South for New York (City).

Correction I don't want I-95 to skip control cities in the between states, but as a addition as a secondary control city to the local control cities like for example in Foxbaro near the Gellet Stadiam (I-95 south to I-295 Providence RI, New York City)  or north of Boston (I-95 south Boston Providence RI)
Just remember not all traffic from Mass take mass pike to I-84 to get to NY city like Cape Cod, they use I-195 west to I-95 south
I suggest on Rt-25 in Wareham put signs (I-495 north Foxbaro, Worcester) (Exit 1 I-195 west Providence RI, New York City)

The last control city that is lacking but local is on I-495 north of Boston between Exit 38 Lowell and Exit 27 its said Marlbaro and Tauton I suggest you replace Tauton with Worcester north of Exit 26 becasue many people use I-495 to I-290 for Worcester and I-93 or I-95 Rt-128 to Rt-24 is a better route to Tauton from Lowell or other places north.



Fixed quote, can't be arsed to fix grammar and spelling. I just can't do it all myself. ~S

[PHLBOS]

The reason Concord was used instead of Salem (NH) when the signs were replaced was a result of an explicit request from the Salem Massachusetts Chamber of Commerce to the then MassHighway commissioner.  Seems the Chamber had gotten complaints from tourist types heading for the Witch City who saw Salem on the I-93 signs (this was before MassHighway/MassDOT's current practice of always including the state abbreviation with out of state cities) and wound up in New Hampshire.

While I don't doubt that was the reasoning; every BGS & LGS along I-93 North that existed always had the NH after the Salem listing for that very purpose (distinguish it from Salem, MA).  It's not unlike the Manchester, MA is now referred to (has the name actually changed to such?) as Manchester-By-the-Sea.

Correction I don't want I-95 to skip control cities in the between states, but as a addition as a secondary control city to the local control cities like for example in Foxbaro near the Gellet Stadiam (I-95 south to I-295 Providence RI, New York City)  or north of Boston (I-95 south Boston Providence RI)

And you need to understand that many that use I-95 in MA are not going as far as Portsmouth, NH nor Providence, RI.

Previous MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice allowed for the listing of 2 control destinations per one direction on guide, exit and pull-through signs.  In the case of I-95, such meant listing a Massachusetts destination for the more localized listing and either Portsmouth or Providence as the more distant destination.  Outside of the YDH (128), Boston is generally listed as either the only or 2nd listed destination (following either Peabody, Waltham, Norwood(?) or Canton) on I-95 signage heading towards the Hub.

As I mentioned earlier & on other related-threads; while the listing of just one destination on signs is more MUTCD complaint, it's not without its problems & issues... especially for roads that run through several more populous/metropolitan regions. 

While my 77-year-old mother has finally gotten used to seeing I-95 signs along what most still refer to as Route 128; the solo Portsmouth, NH listing on many new signs still throw her off. One needs to keep in mind that many still refer to the Interstate-occupied sections of the YDH as Route 128 despite the fact that Interstate designations have been around for nearly 40 years.  IMHO, the previous practice of having 2 destinations per one direction is not going to end civilization as we know it despite what MUTCD and FHWA thinks.   

Just remember not all traffic from Mass take mass pike to I-84 to get to NY city like Cape Cod, they use I-195 west to I-95 south I suggest on Rt-25 in Wareham put signs (I-495 north Foxbaro, Worcester) (Exit 1 I-195 west Providence RI, New York City)

Until your above-post, nobody including yourself ever mentioned anything regarding NYC signage from Cape Cod.  FYI, New York is listed as a 2nd destination on RI 138 BGS' in Newport & Jamestown.  Such approach dates back to when I-895 was originally proposed to be fully built.

At best, NYC can be listed on a destination/mileage BGS at key locations.  That's probably what you're really looking for in the first place.

The last control city that is lacking but local is on I-495 north of Boston between Exit 38 Lowell and Exit 27 its said Marlbaro and Tauton I suggest you replace Tauton with Worcester north of Exit 26 becasue many people use I-495 to I-290 for Worcester and I-93 or I-95 Rt-128 to Rt-24 is a better route to Tauton from Lowell or other places north.

First of all, it's Marlboro and Taunton along with Foxboro and Gillette Stadium further up in your post.

Second, Worcester should only be listed as a I-495 South destination through Exit 27.  Such was previously-accepted practice; Roadman might be able to shed some light on why Worcester was dropped on I-495 South signage between Exits 38 and 27.

[A00234826]

The reason Concord was used instead of Salem (NH) when the signs were replaced was a result of an explicit request from the Salem Massachusetts Chamber of Commerce to the then MassHighway commissioner.  Seems the Chamber had gotten complaints from tourist types heading for the Witch City who saw Salem on the I-93 signs (this was before MassHighway/MassDOT's current practice of always including the state abbreviation with out of state cities) and wound up in New Hampshire.

While I don't doubt that was the reasoning; every BGS & LGS along I-93 North that existed always had the NH after the Salem listing for that very purpose (distinguish it from Salem, MA).  It's not unlike the Manchester, MA is now referred to (has the name actually changed to such?) as Manchester-By-the-Sea.

Correction I don't want I-95 to skip control cities in the between states, but as a addition as a secondary control city to the local control cities like for example in Foxbaro near the Gellet Stadiam (I-95 south to I-295 Providence RI, New York City)  or north of Boston (I-95 south Boston Providence RI)

And you need to understand that many that use I-95 in MA are not going as far as Portsmouth, NH nor Providence, RI.

Previous MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice allowed for the listing of 2 control destinations per one direction on guide, exit and pull-through signs.  In the case of I-95, such meant listing a Massachusetts destination for the more localized listing and either Portsmouth or Providence as the more distant destination.  Outside of the YDH (128), Boston is generally listed as either the only or 2nd listed destination (following either Peabody, Waltham, Norwood(?) or Canton) on I-95 signage heading towards the Hub.

As I mentioned earlier & on other related-threads; while the listing of just one destination on signs is more MUTCD complaint, it's not with its problems & issues... especially for roads that run through several more populous/metropolitan regions. 

While my 77-year-old mother has finally gotten used to seeing I-95 signs along waht most still refer to as Route 128; the solo Portsmouth, NH listing on many new signs still throw her off. One needs to keep in mind that many still refer to the Interstate-occupied sections of the YDH as Route 128 despite the fact that Interstate designations have been around for nearly 40 years.  IMHO, the previous practice of having 2 destinations per one direction is not going to end civilization as we know it despite what MUTCD and FHWA thinks.   

Just remember not all traffic from Mass take mass pike to I-84 to get to NY city like Cape Cod, they use I-195 west to I-95 south I suggest on Rt-25 in Wareham put signs (I-495 north Foxbaro, Worcester) (Exit 1 I-195 west Providence RI, New York City)

Until your above-post, nobody including yourself ever mentioned anything regarding NYC signage from Cape Cod.  FYI, New York is listed as a 2nd destination on RI 138 BGS' in Newport & Jamestown.  Such approach dates back to when I-895 was originally proposed to be fully built.

At best, NYC can be listed on a destination/mileage BGS at key locations.  That's probably what you're really looking for in the first place.
Yes espesaly on I-195 when it list on mileage BGS (New Bedford, Providence RI, New York City)  and on I-95 just south of Canton for examle (Foxbaro 7 Providence RI 33. New York City 210)

The last control city that is lacking but local is on I-495 north of Boston between Exit 38 Lowell and Exit 27 its said Marlbaro and Tauton I suggest you replace Tauton with Worcester north of Exit 26 becasue many people use I-495 to I-290 for Worcester and I-93 or I-95 Rt-128 to Rt-24 is a better route to Tauton from Lowell or other places north.

First of all, it's Marlboro and Taunton along with Foxboro and Gillette Stadium further up in your post.

Second, Worcester should only be listed as a I-495 South destination through Exit 27.  Such was previously-accepted practice; Roadman might be able to shed some light on why Worcester was dropped on I-495 South signage between Exits 38 and 27.

I agree on I-495 it should said untill Exit 27 (I-495 south Marlbaro Worcester) then after that (Marlbaro Tauton)
also south of I-290 it should have (I-495 south Foxbaro, Tauton)

Also north of Boston I also suggest to put Springfield as a secondary control city on I-495 south and I-290 or on a milege BGS
like on I-290 just west of I-495 (I-290 west Worcester Springfield) west of Worcester (I-290 west to I-90 Alburn Springfield)

Speeking of I-290 I noticed that at Exit 12 it saids (Rt-146 south to I-90 mass pike, Mulbury, Providence RI) and (i-290 west to I-395), many people heading west use I-290 to Exit 7 to get on I-90 west I suggest (Exit 12 Rt-146 south to I-90 East Mulbury Providence RI) (I-290 west to I-90 west Arburn Springfield)

similer to the BGS signs on I-495 near the pike that said (Hartford Ct, New York City exit 22) I suggest on I-290 near exit 7 a BGS ( To I-84 Hartford Ct, New York City use I-90 west to Exit 9)

[roadman65]

PHLBOS by using Portland is only skipping small cities.  Want to talk about skipping over cities come down to Florida.  On I-95 southbound south of Jacksonville you have "Miami" on many signs when you have West Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale to pass through as well.  If you want to get technical you have Daytona Beach as well as Melbourne and Fort Pierce.  Daytona was recently added to the mix in Jacksonville, so at least they are getting a little better on this.

Then go to the other coast, you have Naples starting from Tampa on I-75 SB when you have Bradenton, Sarasota, and Fort Myers to pass by which are much larger cities than Naples is.   

[PHLBOS]

First of all, it's Marlboro and Taunton along with Foxboro and Gillette Stadium further up in your post.

I agree on I-495 it should said untill Exit 27 (I-495 south Marlbaro Worcester) then after that (Marlbaro Tauton)
also south of I-290 it should have (I-495 south Foxbaro, Tauton)

With all due respect, did you even read the above-post for the proper spelling of those towns?

Also north of Boston I also suggest to put Springfield as a secondary control city on I-495 south and I-290 or on a milege BGS
like on I-290 just west of I-495 (I-290 west Worcester Springfield) west of Worcester (I-290 west to I-90 Alburn Springfield)

IMHO, you're now being silly.  Listing Worcester on I-495 signage is one thing but adding Springfield in addtion to that is pushing it.   It's not normal practice to list two destinations that the route itself doesn't even touch nor directly serve; one listing for such is sufficient.

Speeking of I-290 I noticed that at Exit 12 it saids (Rt-146 south to I-90 mass pike, Mulbury, Providence RI) and (i-290 west to I-395), many people heading west use I-290 to Exit 7 to get on I-90 west I suggest (Exit 12 Rt-146 south to I-90 East Mulbury Providence RI) (I-290 west to I-90 west Arburn Springfield)

similer to the BGS signs on I-495 near the pike that said (Hartford Ct, New York City exit 22) I suggest on I-290 near exit 7 a BGS ( To I-84 Hartford Ct, New York City use I-90 west to Exit 9)

No comment for the atrocious spelling above.

PHLBOS by using Portland is only skipping small cities.

It wasn't too long ago and a few BGS' still remain that listed NH-Maine as northbound I-95 (& 495) destinations.  Since such practice now runs afoul w/MUTCD and/or FHWA; MassHighway decided to use Portsmouth, NH for because it's the largest city along I-95 in the adjacent state.

Want to talk about skipping over cities come down to Florida.  On I-95 southbound south of Jacksonville you have "Miami" on many signs when you have West Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale to pass through as well.  If you want to get technical you have Daytona Beach as well as Melbourne and Fort Pierce.  Daytona was recently added to the mix in Jacksonville, so at least they are getting a little better on this.

Then go to the other coast, you have Naples starting from Tampa on I-75 SB when you have Bradenton, Sarasota, and Fort Myers to pass by which are much larger cities than Naples is.   

All those destinations along I-95 & 75 are all in one state are they not?

Take the number of miles of I-95 in Florida and stretch that same distance across the northeast and you'll cross at least one state border depending on where one places that measured distance.

Yes, MD & even VA have I-95 destination signage that skip over cities in DE, PA & NJ and list NY (City) instead but (& I mentioned such earlier) that's only because there is a direct highway corridor routing between Baltimore & New York (I-95/295/NJTP) that has no other larger cities in between.

And yes, I-95 South signage in RI often ignores CT cities (New London & New Haven) in favor of NYC; but that appears to be the exception and not the rule among New England Interstates completely skipping over cities in adjacent states for a larger city 2 states over.

[roadman65]

Actually Illinois has the best way.   They sign the next major city at interstate to interstate (hence Memphis on I-57 SB considering you have to pass over three states to get there) while the US, state, county, and municipal roads use the next sequential city.

Anyway, I am not being rude to NH, but its just my opinion that Portland be used because it fits the larger of the two cities.  The way you make it sound, that every state needs to have a control city, so if Portland and Boston were both in the same state then Portland would be all right then.  Also if Florida was three States making a state line south of Daytona, then another state begin lets say at Jupiter, then Daytona Beach or Jupiter should replace Miami.

[PHLBOS]

Anyway, I am not being rude to NH, but its just my opinion that Portland be used because it fits the larger of the two cities.  The way you make it sound, that every state needs to have a control city,

One question: are you even from or ever lived in the northeast?  In general, people in this area tend to view locations & distances on a smaller, more-localized scale than their larger state and/or more spread-out counterparts aka microcosmic.  Seeing Portland, ME or New York listed on route signage in the Greater Boston area (which is more densely populated than most Florida regions) is viewed by many in the area as useless & counter-productive.  Heck, Providence, RI isn't even listed on I-93 South signage until one hits Braintree (Exit 7).

Simply put; someone in the northeast will more likely view a 20-mile drive one-way as long-distance whereas one elsewhere will view it as a short-hop. 

The listed destinations on signs, for the most part, likely reflect such.  The notable exceptions being the fore-mentioned NH-Maine listings that once dotted I-95 as far south as Exit 11A-B (the old 70s-era pull-through BGS listed Boston, NH-Maine for I-95 North) and older I-90 West signage that listed New York in Boston (one or two 90s-vintage entrance ramp BGS' still exist to this day).

so if Portland and Boston were both in the same state then Portland would be all right then.

Once upon a time, Maine (which was not one of the original 13 colonies) was indeed part of Massachusetts.  Had such remained true to this day; maybe MassDOT would've put Portland as an I-95 North destination as far south as Canton. 

[roadman65]

Yeah I lived in New Jersey so I know the situation in the North East all too well.  Still Portland is not that far away and from Boston northward along the I-95 corridor it is the next real big city.  True, in New Jersey we used (and still use) Clinton for control point for I-78 west from Newark because of what you say, but that is being outdated as well.  Most newer signs are being changed to Easton, PA, although I personally would use Allentown, PA because that is the largest city along its route between Newark and Harrisburg.  Easton is carbon copied so to say as it was leftover from when US 22 was the main route across the Delaware River before I-78 was opened in 1990 and of course Easton is the first city along US 22 in PA where it transits it's heart.  I-78 passes away from Easton proper with only one interchange now.

Allentown should be really used from Newark westward, although I have no problems with Clinton first, but in a much more perfect world I would think that Allentown would be the best choice now, especially now that the longer gap is shortened with the interstate system.  The interstate freeways have changed the way we travel big time.

Look at I-10 for example, it uses Pasagoula, MS west of Mobile, AL because when US 90 was the route Pasagoula was the next big city for the regional arterial and when I-10 opened in segments it first stopped at the AL-MS Line. Now with I-10 New Orleans fits that bill for a more high speed national road system, however Alabama still has not updated that yet and treat Pasagoula just like MA does with Portsmouth.  Then you have Opelousas, LA for I-49 from I-10 at Lafayette, LA left over from when US 167 was the corridor previously which is a small city compared to the next one Alexandria which incidentally is used on  US 165 several miles to the west.  Then further west at I-10's junction with US 171 its control city is the largest city along I-49 hundreds of miles further north  which is Shreveport. 

Plus, along I-287 in NJ now signs that once read Somerville now use Morristown- Mahwah going NB and Perth Amboy is used SB.  Even NJDOT is updating from the small regional towns along the way for the much further larger cities.  Times are changing now with the high speed freeways in our road system.

[1995hoo]

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Yes, MD & even VA have I-95 destination signage that skip over cities in DE, PA & NJ and list NY (City) instead but (& I mentioned such earlier) that's only because there is a direct highway corridor routing between Baltimore & New York (I-95/295/NJTP) that has no other larger cities in between.

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I would suggest another reason for this, especially at major junctions in the DC area such as the Springfield Interchange in Virginia and (historically, at least) the College Park Interchange in Maryland is simply the high volume of non-local drivers passing through, a substantial portion of whom are headed to New York. It's simply a practical step to list New York (City) as an aid to those people at a location where the main thru route changes course via what most of the public would perceive as an "exit." I kind of doubt the listing of New York in those places is due solely to there being no other large cities in between (though it may be a factor, as opposed to the factor).

In the same vein, Virginia has an overhead BGS, though it's presently damaged with about a quarter of it missing, on northbound I-95 about four miles south of Springfield saying "I-95 NORTH/NY–NJ/4 MILES/USE LEFT LANES" (the last line is black-on-yellow, the rest is standard BGS). There used to be a similar ground-mounted sign to the right of the road long before New York appeared on any other signs in Virginia, which underscores my feeling that part of the reason Virginia posts these signs is to aid people through the complex Springfield Interchange. There are a heck of a lot of signs to read as you approach that interchange!

[bzakharin]

Yes, MD & even VA have I-95 destination signage that skip over cities in DE, PA & NJ and list NY (City) instead but (& I mentioned such earlier) that's only because there is a direct highway corridor routing between Baltimore & New York (I-95/295/NJTP) that has no other larger cities in between.

If that were the criteria, you could sign NYC along all of I-95 from both directions (yes, excluding places where there is a more direct route, please don't start that again), not to mention along every freeway in the country that could conceivable be used to reach NYC.

If you don't mean "larger than NYC", but rather "as large as other control cities", Philadelphia is far larger than Baltimore, yet Baltimore is not ignored in favor of Washington.

[A00234826]

First of all, it's Marlboro and Taunton along with Foxboro and Gillette Stadium further up in your post.

I agree on I-495 it should said untill Exit 27 (I-495 south Marlbaro Worcester) then after that (Marlbaro Tauton)
also south of I-290 it should have (I-495 south Foxbaro, Tauton)

With all due respect, did you even read the above-post for the proper spelling of those towns?

Also north of Boston I also suggest to put Springfield as a secondary control city on I-495 south and I-290 or on a milege BGS
like on I-290 just west of I-495 (I-290 west Worcester Springfield) west of Worcester (I-290 west to I-90 Alburn Springfield)

IMHO, you're now being silly.  Listing Worcester on I-495 signage is one thing but adding Springfield in addtion to that is pushing it.   It's not normal practice to list two destinations that the route itself doesn't even touch nor directly serve; one listing for such is sufficient.

For I-495 for shure it dosnet connet Worcester or Springfield but its the best route from NH-Maine to Worcester by the way of i-290
When I recommend Springfield I was referring to I-290s secondary not I-495 like sign on I-495 interchange and other exits east of Exit 22 (I-290 west Worcester Springfield) (i-290 East to I-495 Marlboro, Lowell) and west of Worcester (I-290 west to I-90 Auburn Springfield) (I-290 East to I-190, I-495 Worcester, Marlboro),

on I-290 I recommend put (to I-495) on I-290 Eastbound on ramps.  since I-290 is a shortcut from Masspike in Auburn to I-495 in Marlbaro for points north. I also recomend on I-90 Masspike  to put sign on I-290 as first route on left of sign insted of I-395 like (Exit 10 I-290, Rt-12 I-395, Auburn, Worcester, NH-Maine) so people can take I-290 east as a shortcut to I-495 north.

Still Tauton is still too out of way for people in Lowell and surrounding territory's so I recommend on ramps on I-495 near I-290 (i-495 south Marlboro, Milford) since Milford is the next city south of Marboro, or like onramp from Rt-62 for example (i-495 south to I-290 Marlboro, Worcester) after I-290 soutword (i-495 south Milford, Foxboro) then after Milford (I-495 south Foxboro, Tauton)  then after Foxbaro (I-495 south Tauton, Cape Cod)

[Arkansastravelguy]

How about instead of using NYC as a control city, put "this route avoids NYC". As silly as it sounds, it isn't for southerners that want to go to Boston or New England and avoid the four hours of sitting in the City of New York traffic...


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[1995hoo]

A00234826:

No offense, but would you please review the following thread about how to quote someone else's posts? You keep putting the entire text of your reply within the quote tags and it makes your posts very hard to follow. Note how the moderators already modified one of your posts when you mangled the quotes. If you want people to take the time to read your comments, you them the reciprocal courtesy of using the quote feature properly.

I tried to quote your comment, but you so thoroughly mangled the quote tags that my reply then showed up in the quote box as well, and it's not worth it to me to take the time to try to go through and figure out what you did wrong. I suspect the number of "opening" quote tags in your post is not the same as the number of "closing" quote tags.

Here's the link:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0

[Alps]

I fixed the quote tags. However, I still cannot decipher what A- is trying to say.

A. Dude. Use spell check. Have someone else proofread. But at some point we're gonna have to cut you off if you can't type coherent English.

[Interstatefan78]

Yeah I lived in New Jersey so I know the situation in the North East all too well.  Still Portland is not that far away and from Boston northward along the I-95 corridor it is the next real big city.  True, in New Jersey we used (and still use) Clinton for control point for I-78 west from Newark because of what you say, but that is being outdated as well.  Most newer signs are being changed to Easton, PA, although I personally would use Allentown, PA because that is the largest city along its route between Newark and Harrisburg.  Easton is carbon copied so to say as it was leftover from when US 22 was the main route across the Delaware River before I-78 was opened in 1990 and of course Easton is the first city along US 22 in PA where it transits it's heart.  I-78 passes away from Easton proper with only one interchange now.

Allentown should be really used from Newark westward, although I have no problems with Clinton first, but in a much more perfect world I would think that Allentown would be the best choice now, especially now that the longer gap is shortened with the interstate system.  The interstate freeways have changed the way we travel big time.

Look at I-10 for example, it uses Pasagoula, MS west of Mobile, AL because when US 90 was the route Pasagoula was the next big city for the regional arterial and when I-10 opened in segments it first stopped at the AL-MS Line. Now with I-10 New Orleans fits that bill for a more high speed national road system, however Alabama still has not updated that yet and treat Pasagoula just like MA does with Portsmouth.  Then you have Opelousas, LA for I-49 from I-10 at Lafayette, LA left over from when US 167 was the corridor previously which is a small city compared to the next one Alexandria which incidentally is used on  US 165 several miles to the west.  Then further west at I-10's junction with US 171 its control city is the largest city along I-49 hundreds of miles further north  which is Shreveport. 

Plus, along I-287 in NJ now signs that once read Somerville now use Morristown- Mahwah going NB and Perth Amboy is used SB.  Even NJDOT is updating from the small regional towns along the way for the much further larger cities.  Times are changing now with the high speed freeways in our road system.

Roadman that is true since Allentown has a bigger population than Easton and for I-95 in MA has some signs saying Providence New York City, but others has Providence only and I would use Providence New London on I-95 in RI since RI uses New London or New Haven as the next control city

[amroad17]

I would like to see New York added as a control city at the NB I-81/EB I-78 interchange.  It would fit under Allentown on some of the BGS's.

[A00234826]

I would like to see New York added as a control city at the NB I-81/EB I-78 interchange.  It would fit under Allentown on some of the BGS's.

I agree also I seen signs on I-80 as far as Ohio turnpike (I-80 East New York City) when it leave the turnpike
I suggest in that aria for long distance travel (I-80 East  Youngstown, New York-New England) (I-76 East Pitsburg, Philadelphia, Washington DC)