"North Pole" intersections

Started by bzakharin, September 11, 2014, 11:08:02 AM

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bzakharin

Are there any intersections or interchanges where all roads coming out of it are signed with the same direction (like at the north pole where every direction is south)?

I can name 2 in NJ where 3 out of 4 are the same. One is where the NJ Turnpike (North-South) meets with I-287 and NJ-440, which both begin there and are signed North (I'll leave out East-West CR-514 because it does not actually cross the Turnpike here and is not signed at the exit from the Turnpike). The other is where US-1 (North-South) meets I-95 and I-295, both of which begin there and are signed South. This one will actually be gone if the PA Turnpike / I-95 interchange is ever actually built.

Speaking of that, there would have sort of been one had they decided to extend I-295 and not I-195, where at the state line I-295 would flip directions from North to South, though that isn't really an intersection, and it's not going to happen anyway.


NE2

Yes, but they're underwhelming, due to being at the end of a peninsula. An intersection where you can leave four different ways, all of which are signed in the same direction, is extremely unlikely.
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Jardine

How about a thread for 4-way intersections where all the roads leaving it are signed (plausibly) with all 4 directions being incorrect ??


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bzakharin

Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
Yes, but they're underwhelming, due to being at the end of a peninsula. An intersection where you can leave four different ways, all of which are signed in the same direction, is extremely unlikely.
It would still be interesting to see one. I can't think of anything like that in NJ or NY. If the island or peninsula is narrow enough, there is only one numbered (or an equivalent that would have a direction posted) road. By the time more numbered roads branch from it, you can already go backwards.

NE2

Quote from: bzakharin on September 11, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
It would still be interesting to see one. I can't think of anything like that in NJ or NY. If the island or peninsula is narrow enough, there is only one numbered (or an equivalent that would have a direction posted) road. By the time more numbered roads branch from it, you can already go backwards.
I can't find any right now. If US 6 and Route 6A had logical directions in Provincetown, that would count.
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agentsteel53

another three out of 4: US-19E north, US-19E south, US-321 south, US-321 south.

19E/321 is a multiplex, so there is a fourth branch of that intersection.  it carries nothing with an explicit cardinal direction.
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bzakharin

Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
another three out of 4: US-19E north, US-19E south, US-321 south, US-321 south.

19E/321 is a multiplex, so there is a fourth branch of that intersection.  it carries nothing with an explicit cardinal direction.
US 321 is South in both directions?

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agentsteel53

Quote from: bzakharin on September 11, 2014, 05:28:47 PM
US 321 is South in both directions?

yep.  it effectively makes a fishhook turn in downtown Elizabethon, TN. 

that said, the western segment is approximately east-west so I do wonder why it wasn't signed east-west, or - even better - given a new route number.
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Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
Yes, but they're underwhelming, due to being at the end of a peninsula. An intersection where you can leave four different ways, all of which are signed in the same direction, is extremely unlikely.

This exists in Bristol, VA.  At least one route north runs in all 4 directions at this intersection (the truck routes are missing their north banners which they do have at other intersections.  Of course, since VA 381 is no longer posted, it is not signed that way right now either:




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agentsteel53

Quote from: Mapmikey on September 11, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
This exists in Bristol, VA.

I don't know if the specifics of the question allow for this, assuming that you can't make a U-turn and immediately be heading "north" on some road.

I think the question asked for all branches of an intersection heading the same signed direction, not "precisely 4 out of N".

but 4 is still quite the number.
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Mapmikey

I'm not sure what you are saying.  If I stand in the middle of that intersection I have 4 branches I can choose from and all of them have a route heading north:

Actual north = VA 381 north
Actual east = US 11-19 north
Actual south = US 11-19 TRUCK north
Actual west = US 421 north

From 1966-84 this intersection also at the same time had 3 of the 4 directions with a route running south as well - US 421 south used to follow US 11-19 north through this intersection...

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hbelkins

At one time, you had at a certain intersection in North Carolina:

Business US 158 west
Bypass US 158 west
US 64 west
US 264 west
NC 12 south
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NE2

Quote from: Mapmikey on September 11, 2014, 09:21:25 PM
Actual south = US 11-19 TRUCK north
Logically only 11 Truck; 19 Truck is there as a convenience to traffic coming from 11E north.

Good example, by the way. And fully legitimate, in that all the directions make sense. Virginia's also the only legitimate example known of both directions of the same route overlapping on a one-way street. Though something tells me there's one somewhere where a backwards one-way pair ends at a circle, like if there was a circle at Madison/Jefferson/Clear Lake/12th in Springfield IL.
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hbelkins

Those Bristol cutout pics look familiar.  :D

Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 11, 2014, 09:21:25 PM
Actual south = US 11-19 TRUCK north
Virginia's also the only legitimate example known of both directions of the same route overlapping on a one-way street.

Where is this?

There's something similar for US 250 where it intersects US 19 in Fairmont, WV, but I think that may be more for traffic turning from US 19 than both directions actually using the same one-way couplet: (at the time this photo was taken, I was driving north on US 250).

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NE2

Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Virginia's also the only legitimate example known of both directions of the same route overlapping on a one-way street.

Where is this?
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Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
There's something similar for US 250 where it intersects US 19 in Fairmont, WV, but I think that may be more for traffic turning from US 19 than both directions actually using the same one-way couplet: (at the time this photo was taken, I was driving north on US 250).
If by similar, you mean not at all the same, you're right. But I won't hold it against you; you were probably distracted by the lies coming from the church in the background. Fairmont is simply a traffic circle formed by city streets.
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Mapmikey

Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Those Bristol cutout pics look familiar.  :D

Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 11, 2014, 09:21:25 PM
Actual south = US 11-19 TRUCK north
Virginia's also the only legitimate example known of both directions of the same route overlapping on a one-way street.

Where is this?



26th St in Newport News.  US 60 west moves from 27th to 26th as it crosses I-664 and this overpass also goes over Warwick Blvd which is what US 60 WB uses.  US 60 WB is directed to curl around to the left on Huntington and left on 25th to get to Warwick Blvd.  Huntington Ave is also US 60 EB (turns on 24th).

Google Maps erroneously shows 60 WB using 28th over I-664.

http://goo.gl/maps/MswiP

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DandyDan

In Nebraska, the only intersection I can think of offhand that comes close is in Norfolk, where NE 35 and NE 24 intersect US 275.  NE 35 and NE 24 are both East, while US 275 is East-West.
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vtk

Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

hbelkins

I've been there at Newport News:



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Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on September 11, 2014, 05:28:47 PM
US 321 is South in both directions?

yep.  it effectively makes a fishhook turn in downtown Elizabethon, TN.

that said, the western segment is approximately east-west so I do wonder why it wasn't signed east-west, or - even better - given a new route number.

One of the US 321 South branchs should be US 321 North :sombrero:. But as you pointed out, it would make more sense to have US 321 as East-West in TN.
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Quote from: vtk on September 12, 2014, 07:56:19 PM
MI 22

M-22 doesn't fit. At the intersection where it should change signed directions in Northport, it intersects M-201. At the three-way, a motorist could take:

  • Physical north: M-201 north
  • Physical south: M-22 south (to Suttons Bay and Traverse City)
  • Physical west: M-22 south (to Leland and Empire)
I should note that M-22 loses its directional banners near that intersection.