Google Map Maker Flaws in Lafayette, IN

[silverback1065]

Has anyone also tried to edit the highways around Lafayette to reflect the correct way they traverse the city only to see their edits either denied, or accepted and later returned to the wrong information only a few days later?  I rerouted US 52 to reflect its correct alignment, and I see now that one of the mods put 52 back on its old, now wrong alignment on Sagamore pkwy.  They also refuse to remove SR 126 and 43.  Does anyone else have these issues in this area or any other area for that matter?

[tdindy88]

Obviously, the Google Map technicians in the San Francisco Bay Area know more about the proper alignment of highways around Lafayette than some typical Hoosier, or INDOT for that matter.

[billtm]

Here was my recent "conversation" with another mapmaker:

P.S. I'm the galaxy.

[NE2]

Looks like the problem is that numbered routes are tied to displayed level of importance. A good example of the silliness of this is Providence RI: it's arguable whether US 1 and US 44 should be orange, but what's really not arguable is that Memorial Boulevard (former US 6) is at least as important.

What I'd do in Lafayette: mark the numbered routes as signed (of course). But have the orange follow Sagamore and Vets rather than Teal. Right now there's no orange route connecting SR 25 to US 231 towards Crawfordsville.

Though I do wonder why Vets isn't a principal arterial. Has the MPO just not submitted it yet?

[silverback1065]

Here was my recent "conversation" with another mapmaker:

P.S. I'm the galaxy.

I saw this too, it actually won't let you delete us 52 off sagamore, it sounds like this admin won't change it because he thinks he knows more than INDOT. Just because it makes more sense to use another way doesn't mean that you display incorrect info, often SR's and US routes go the most zig-zaggy inefficient way through a city.  And if this idiot actually drove through Lafayette, he'd admit that though the new route is stupid, it is light years faster than the old way for through traffic, as a now Purdue alum, whenever I go back there, using the new way is way quicker than the old congested, stop light filled road.  It would be nice if they
realigned the 4th and teal intersection, maybe just put a roundabout there.  Teal also needs to be repaved, they recently did a small section, and whoever they payed to stripe that section must have been drunk, because it looks awful. 

[NE2]

Aren't "national highway" and "arterial" Goog importance levels? So are you trying to change the importance of the roads just because US 52 goes that way?

[billtm]

Aren't "national highway" and "arterial" Goog importance levels? So are you trying to change the importance of the roads just because US 52 goes that way?

At the time of the edit it was marked by Google as a "national highway". The guy successfully changed it to a "Minor Artery".

[silverback1065]

Aren't "national highway" and "arterial" Goog importance levels? So are you trying to change the importance of the roads just because US 52 goes that way?

At the time of the edit it was marked by Google as a "national highway". The guy successfully changed it to a "Minor Artery".

Since US 52 is on teal road it's a national highway, correct?

[NE2]

At the time of the edit it was marked by Google as a "national highway". The guy successfully changed it to a "Minor Artery".

Sounds reasonable. Perhaps your confusion is the Goog's unfortunate choice of the term "national highway" for the highest importance level of surface street. How should people unfamiliar with the area be directed? On INDOT's shitty routing, or on the more direct Vets Parkway?

PS: any map that shows US 41 as a more major road than SR 63 north of Terre Haute is a heap of poo.

[empirestate]

See, being from NYS this whole discussion makes no sense to me. We'd just keep signs on Sagamore Pkwy regardless of whose jurisdiction it is! 

[silverback1065]

See, being from NYS this whole discussion makes no sense to me. We'd just keep signs on Sagamore Pkwy regardless of whose jurisdiction it is! 

That would happen if they allowed state highways to be maintained within city limits, but since that isn't allowed, all the highways around cities in Indiana make no sense in some areas because the state doesn't want to be bothered by state highways on city streets.  I do believe that there is a rule where in a county seat, a state highway must go through the city limits (Interstate, SR, or US route), I've heard this from a lot of people, but no proof if it is really true.  Does anyone know if that's true?

[empirestate]

See, being from NYS this whole discussion makes no sense to me. We'd just keep signs on Sagamore Pkwy regardless of whose jurisdiction it is! 

That would happen if they allowed state highways to be maintained within city limits...

Well, not exactly. If the state maintained highways within city limits, then you'd simply have route signs along state highways. (Just like now, except they'd exist inside of cities.) But in New York, you can put up the route signs on highways maintained by anybody. The majority of signed routes within city limits are city-maintained, and we also have plenty of state routes signed along town roads, county highways, and of course other agencies' roads such as the Thruway.

I know there are many states, Indiana apparently among them, where there's no distinction between state highways and state routes. That's not the case in NY, where the two things are different concepts. Yes, they do typically overlap, but by no means always.

[silverback1065]

See, being from NYS this whole discussion makes no sense to me. We'd just keep signs on Sagamore Pkwy regardless of whose jurisdiction it is!  [emoji3]

That would happen if they allowed state highways to be maintained within city limits...

Well, not exactly. If the state maintained highways within city limits, then you'd simply have route signs along state highways. (Just like now, except they'd exist inside of cities.) But in New York, you can put up the route signs on highways maintained by anybody. The majority of signed routes within city limits are city-maintained, and we also have plenty of state routes signed along town roads, county highways, and of course other agencies' roads such as the Thruway.

I know there are many states, Indiana apparently among them, where there's no distinction between state highways and state routes. That's not the case in NY, where the two things are different concepts. Yes, they do typically overlap, but by no means always.

Interesting, here in Indiana state road and highway mean the same thing we use them interchangeably. I like the way ny does it.

[dfwmapper]

At the time of the edit it was marked by Google as a "national highway". The guy successfully changed it to a "Minor Artery".

Sounds reasonable. Perhaps your confusion is the Goog's unfortunate choice of the term "national highway" for the highest importance level of surface street. How should people unfamiliar with the area be directed? On INDOT's shitty routing, or on the more direct Vets Parkway?

PS: any map that shows US 41 as a more major road than SR 63 north of Terre Haute is a heap of poo.

Uh oh, NE2 agreed with me on something, the end of the world is near.

As a general concept, US routes are given national highway priority on Maps, but exceptions can be made when it makes sense to do so, as in cases where a bypass was built but wasn't signed as the US route for whatever reason. The plan all along in Lafayette was to move the priority to another location to regain continuity, but it tends to be better to make the changes in separate pieces because the actual Google people aren't too bright and if they deny one they tend to deny a bunch in a row (you get what you pay for, and Google pays for outsourced Indians).

PS: SR 63 is fixed now, before I ever saw that post.

[billtm]

It looks like IN 43 ends at I-65 on Gmaps now, like it actually does! Thanks silverback 1065!
Sadly, it seems like the correct US 52 routing has been taken off Google maps. That might be hard to get back...

[silverback1065]

It looks like IN 43 ends at I-65 on Gmaps now, like it actually does! Thanks silverback 1065!
Sadly, it seems like the correct US 52 routing has been taken off Google maps. That might be hard to get back...

Haha you're welcome.  I'll keep trying to get 52 to show right, can't guarantee they'll listen though.  Who is the asshat that removed SR 25 from SR 32 to US 231/52?  I swear Google maps practices witchcraft! routes randomly appearing and disappearing.  For some reason they thought Montana ave in rural Hamilton county was SR 32.

[dfwmapper]

The nice thing about name changes on roads with arterial priority is that they don't need approval from a Google Reviewer, just an RER. Which means taking the US 52 name off Sagamore and adding to Teal is easy, as is fixing IN 25 south/west of US 231, at least if one of you wants to submit them. Adding 52 to 231 will be tougher, but a good explanation (and not having the old routing still visible) might help.

[NE2]

If you need a source: http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014/07/16/improvements-store-teal-road/12762467/
"The state maintains Teal Road, which is the designated route for U.S. 52 from U.S. 231 to Sagamore Parkway."

PS: who wants to fix it on OSM?

[silverback1065]

If you need a source: http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014/07/16/improvements-store-teal-road/12762467/
"The state maintains Teal Road, which is the designated route for U.S. 52 from U.S. 231 to Sagamore Parkway."

PS: who wants to fix it on OSM?

Thanks NE2 this helps out a lot, I can't edit it now, it keep saying "failed geodata"

[billtm]

Looks like Cherry Lane is fixed now! More progress made during this week than what, like an entire year!? 

[silverback1065]

I have no idea why this happens but SR 25 has no name south of lafayette, and SR 23 is gone too, even though they exist and haven't been turned over.